To be fair. There are Warer Treatment System with the same range of price. Of course there are cheaper ones and even much more expensive ones.

It's just down to the features of it. We can recommend but In the end it's the customers that make the decision which one to go for.

When I'm using the best. Of course I'll recommend it. And I purchased it because I'm convinced with the features being told to me.

Sometimes we are overly narrow minded and skeptical. It's just recommendations. I can make comparison to other brands. It's up to customers to decide in the end. Willing buyer and willing seller world. Chill mate

In fact to your surprise they are more users / sellers. Even outside of lowyat forum.

yeah, i know there are many users and i did mention no doubt it is a good filter.

What is the motivation behind so many sellers so hardworking selling it in the forum? Just because it is a good product or high profit margin? that is what i wanna comment only

High profit margin?
Yes if u selling with Customer Price, but not many people will insist buying customer price where as joining member can buy with member price.
People sell it not because of high profit, is of the technology behind and effectiveness. eSpring was voted by consumers reader digest trusted brand for 7 consecutive years.

ppm = 10E-6, microns = 10E-3

ppm is the measure of how many particles there are in a given volume.

microns is a measure of distance.

the smaller the micron, the lesser particles it will be in our water.

that is why as tested
Crystal Eco with 0.1 micron on average reading 60-70ppm

while
RO with 0.0001 micron on average reading below 10ppm

However, we can also argue not all 0.1 micron filters will have reading 60-70ppm if the water tested has more particles below 0.1 micron (which is very unlikely). That is why i mentioned, it can be used as a guide only and not an accurate measurement. The only method to really gauge how good a water filter is, is through lab test but consumers will not have the time and money to test all the filters, hence TDS is just a cheap and basic test if they wanna test.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Sep 21 2016, 09:56 AM

Hi all, wondering whats the best deal crrently for amway espring water filter? Any latest promo or trade in older gen still available? Whats the best nett price.

Im looking for indoor water filter and preferable with nsf certified.

Lately when visiting mall, theres new trend for Cuckoo, Coway and 3M with those hot/cold dispenser with water filter function.

Really tempted for it as convenient with good look/design since conventional amway espring cost about the same.

Anyone using it? Thanks in advance.

Also what about wqa cert? Compare to nsf? Which better?

thanks.

This post has been edited by RottyDog: Sep 21 2016, 05:57 PM

Just wondering when all those good filtered water put inside these dispenser would it be as good/healthy? As from my experiance some dispenser tends to rust/fill with unknown materials due to time.. Just my concern..

My honest opinion, there are many amway seller here in this forum, many of them can PM you their best price, many can give even lower than member price but who can offer the BEST after SALES Service? From what i know, amway does not provide the after sales service but the sales agent do, so you must get it from a reliable sales person.

From what i notice, there are many new sellers here, some just post few months then gone missing but there are only a few who have been active in the forum for many years and one of them is chickytien. Check back the post and then u determine who is a more reliable sales agent. Price is 1 thing, service is also important

Regarding NSF, NSF does not rank water filters. A basic carbon block filter like Culligan selling for RM 399 can already pass NSF. So why buy filters that are RM 2 - 3k?
Even a filter pass NSF it does not mean it is good enough, NSF only sets the minimum standard. That is why it is also important to know what media or method is used in the water filtration process also.

Example :
Filter A : Has NSF with Carbon Block + ceramic balls + Mineral stone rated 2 micron RM 699
Filter B : Has NSF with Carbon Block + Membrane + UV Light rated 0.2 micron RM 3999

So, a person who didnt to much research will definitely just buy Filter A since it has NSF and it is much cheaper but for someone who have done their research will definite be able to tell Filter B is a much better choice



This post has been edited by zheilwane: Sep 21 2016, 10:36 PM

how much does espring and it's associated maintenance & filter cost?

Actually amway do have their own technical & service team if you required. Additional charges of RM60 per unit will be imposed and the team will attend to you in 48 hours. Service hotline is 03-7946 2800 / 04-3900 299(butterworth)

I do have 1 customer which bought the so called discounted price at RM2xxx which warranty expired and the servicing ABO resign after a year end up with my service. She just signed up to buy the cartridge, no more or less. Servicing is more important than the price itself.

I agree that what media is used or method of water filtration is more important as water filter is not something that we bought often. When choosing water filter, choose the better quality instead of price.

lol, i m not an expert but i know a little more compared to end user only I believe if a customer is willing to spend time to read all the discussion thread and all the shared links in the past such as wikipedia, WHO report, NSF report, they will know as much as me also

I am also an AMWAY member, i can sell it here as well even below member price but i choose not to because i cant provide the good service like others who are really dedicated to sell it, hence i only focus and sell Aquaphor. I have by main business and i spent most of my time providing good service for all of my products and therefore i do not have time to cover Amway. Yes, i can sell and make profit but if i cant provide the service, customers will complain and it will be bad for my online reputation which has been good for about 8 years

So, my advise if you are planning to get Amway, get it from a serious seller who is able to provide good after sales service. How to know is reliable or not? we wont be able to tell until we purchase. For me, how i gauge a person's service, c how quick he response to your queries, how much does he knows about the product and look back as his history replies in forum.

For those who are looking premium quality filter yet affordable, can get Aquaphor from me. Guarantee the after sales from me is definitely good as i m always focus with my products

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Sep 22 2016, 11:19 AM

LOL, quite modest of you to made a bold statement and then quickly cover up with that line

As an AMWAY member, you should really try espring, NSF test reports (details one) shows it is far more capable than other water filters out there. Of course that will be against your best interest since you run your own water filter business...but when come to own consumption, why compromise for that?

Passing NSF is not the thing to look for, the contaminants list is the one to look for in NSF test reports.

My last studies show that Aquaphor test report filter about 20-30 types of contaminants vs AMWAY one 140 types, in that comparison, the cost per number of effectively removal of contaminants, Aquaphor becomes really expensive.


Certainly after sales service is important, a water filter is bought for use for at least 10 years or even longer....after sales is very important, and water quality also is very important, don't compromise for any of that.

Just one note to take here, eSpring only got 2 prices, it's either member price or customer price. Any price fall below member price is against the rule of conduct & ethic. Your membership will be terminated & banned forever if you were caught selling with "special price". If one would sell you below the member price, it's either he just want to hit the bonus target or to maintain his sales volume. Hence that's why most of the people buying with "special price" tends to say Amway ABO service is not good as the seller might already being terminated or disappear after selling you.

Even diamond qualifier get terminated for bad ethics & violation of rules.

This post has been edited by oyching88: Sep 22 2016, 02:10 PM

AMWAY tested for 140 types of things, there are many brands that have nsf also didnt test for so many types. Question is, does our water have all these 140 types of contaminants?

I must agree most NSF reports for other brands do not have such a long list compared to Amway, most of them are very little only. From what i know, there are certain items to test for Standard 42 n 53, if u wan to test additional item not in the package u need more $$ but most brands would not pay for the extra $$ to test.

As per our local MOH requirement to test 42 items, we TESTED AQUAPHOR based on malaysia water quality and report shows that the result is very much better compared to the standards required
http://aquaphor.com.my/crystal-eco



"Active charcoal carbon filters are most effective at removing chlorine, sediment, volatile organic compounds (VOCs), taste and odor from water"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_filtering



FYI, just VOC alone already consist about 50 contaminants. Aquaphor Crystal Eco drinking water is using carbon block + hollow fibre membrane. Any filters using carbon block can already minimum filter more than 50 types of contaminants. So, with Carbon BLock + 0.1 micron hollow fibre membrane, Aquaphor can easily filter more than 100 types of contaminants. However, how many types are in our water? Our Local MOH only suggest to test 42 items even to pass NSF standards 42 & 53, we dont have to test 100 items. Yes, Amway did a good job in testing 140 items but not tested for 100 over items doenst mean Aquaphor water filter is not good, if you know what media is used and the quality of the media, a filter expert like you can tell what the filter is capable off but it seems like you are trying to confuse readers

Regular filter use granular carbon only, compared to that we are using high quality carbon blocks (very thick with Aqualen) + Hollow fibre membrane, why cant i say Aquaphor is premium water filtration system?
I have to emphasize again, i do agree Awmays - Espring is a good filter and never suggest Aquaphor is better but it is affordable and yet providing high quality water filtration.

You sound like a water expert, you should know this and why still try to mislead forumers Aquaphor only filter 20 - 30 types of contaminants.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Sep 25 2016, 08:36 AM

That is why there is a risk if u buy from some1 because of low price, the person might end of the day give up being an agent and quit selling it, then u need to pay for the after sales service everytime u call AMWAY which is by right provided by the seller. This is the point i pointed out so far

However, u will be surprised almost all sellers are selling below member price, i have done my research may be you are not aware of this.

Just think about it AMWAY (0.2micron) is using Carbon Block + UV Light while Aquaphor (0.1 micron) is (Carbon Block + Aqualen) + Hollow Fibre membrane, Aquaphor lose in term of UV Light but also wins in terms of micron and it has AQUALEN (patented technology) in their carbon blocks. UV light only kill bacteria, it does not remove contaminants or chemical compound. As i m running my own business, i m not limited to my products, if people thinks UV light is so important to them, i can always add on a water dispenser with UV light and the total cost will still be less than RM 3k. If my main purpose is only making profit i can always order 14 units of Espring to get the low cost and sell it in my shop which i didnt as i have my own reasons to it and i am not 100% profit motivated in doing business. Forumers who want to know more can ask me in my shop.

I have replied all the queries that the other AMway sellers throw at me previously, for those who wants to read, can check back older pages i provided links and photos in my replies as well. If the sole comparison is NSF certificate, i might as well bring in DWM 101 it has NSF to certified it as a RO system, it can filter things like Fluoride that is in our water and even Espring and Aquaphor Crystal Eco cant filter fluoride
http://www.amway.com/at-home/eSpring/support/faqs/
However, from my many years of experience, after evaluating the pros, cons and cost, i choose to market Crystal Eco water filter instead of DWM101 RO filter

Once again i have to repeat that i do agree Espring is also a good filter, with all the lab test and certifications definitely it is good but if customers who wan to get something good yet affordable can also consider Aquaphor, i m not saying Aquaphor is better but it also provides premium water filtration yet affordable

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Sep 22 2016, 08:45 PM

Why would you need to filter fluoride? It's good for teeth.

There are a lot of assumptions to make there, saying whatever the other contaminants not filtered by Aquaphor is not present in the water...

"we" you are referring here is who ah? yourself? where is your lab? As far as the tests about aquaphor posted here are all home based, and the post about you testing other filters, are all home based.

When asked for NSF test report, the reply given is crystal eco purposely sent to to be tested by LGA, not sent to NSF for test....where as model DWM101 is found on NSF website...A lot of twisting here and there...Same brand, one model found on NSF, the Crystal Eco not found, the reply given by you = got special reason not sent to NSF for test, because NSF is US based...Aquaphor is based in Russia...bla bla bla ....


Then who is LGA? about



LGA is not even an accredited body to perform water filter test. It is like a car tested by a non car organization and claim the car it can perform up to standard, very safe...bla bla bla. Really


Test result not transparent, certification by non accredited body, that is premium?

Once again i have to repeat that i do agree Aquaphor is affordable...but premium, really no facts to back up this part of the story.

Aquaphor test report @ NSF: [Only DWM 101 and the facility is Russia also]
Test Reports
- TDS Reduction (The baseline test used for RO Water Filter)

I didnt say we need to filter fluoride, i was implying if D-Goh wanna compare NSF wanna compare numbers of contaminants that it can filter, DWM 101 RO filter can definitely filter more types on contaminants such as FLUORIDE.
So why i take the trouble to sell Eco instead of DWM 101 which is far more superior?

Google and read up on some debates why some countries add fluoride and some dont. there is no 100% answer to this but the amount of fluoride in our water is consider safe. Fluoride is good for teeth for external use like tooth paste not for consumption. Consuming fluoride wont have any benefit for our teeth


Here are some links unintentionally provided by D-Goh about fluoride

http://www.waterfyi.com/uncategorized/filt...er-performance/

http://www.waterfyi.com/drinking-water/flu...e-eliminate-it/

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Sep 24 2016, 08:52 PM