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post Aug 16 2020, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Aug 14 2020, 04:49 PM)
Guys... I'm looking for an undersink filtration indoor unit...

I'm confused between 3M™ AP DWS 1000 vs the AP Easy Complete... function looks same but the price big difference especially the Catridge..
Outside/door.. I'm likely to go NESH or 3M AP902
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Yeah quite confusing. Easy Complete come with only 1 cartridge; Capacity 750 Gallons (2,839 Litres) while DWS 1000 come with 2 cartridges; Capacity 625 Gallons (2,365 liters) 🤔
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post Aug 16 2020, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(senscents @ Aug 16 2020, 04:24 PM)
Both are good. 3M DWS2500 and Aquaphor Crystal Eco.
One with nsf the other with gost.
Choose your preference by brand - 3m.
If value for money - Aquaphor.
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What about 3M DWS1000?
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post Aug 16 2020, 07:57 PM

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QUOTE(hestati @ Aug 13 2020, 05:20 PM)

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Just replaced FD cartridges yesterday.
The Disruptor in the picture above was installed since May 2018. Do you reckon it still can be repurposed to add on to my secondary washing and cooking filter or it is no longer effective?
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I would use it for something less critical, say washing machine or dishwasher. The issue is, this cartridge has silver in it, after 2 years, the bonds holding silver may start to break, and drinking silver is no good. Also, bacteria issues etc. For non critical it should be ok, until it disintegrates.

QUOTE(jsen58 @ Aug 16 2020, 12:11 PM)
Wanna ask. Comparing 3M DWS2500 and DWS1000, vs Aquaphor Crystal Eco. Which is better?

I’m getting my new house soon, a condo, in the stage of sourcing all new appliances and furniture. Would appreciate the advice.
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2500 can compare to Crystal Eco. DWS1000 is totally not worth it, might as well get Easy Complete. DWS2500 and Aquaphor are like twin brothers (I think they even use the membrane manufactured by the same company, but I am not 100% sure), so if you want big brand and NSF, then 3M. If you want to save $ and GOST+LGA is enough for you, then Aquaphor, it really comes down to personal preference with these 2, like I said, they are almost like twin brothers. Only thing, I think Aquaphor has more carbon by weight and also I am not sure what kind of "silver attachment" technology used in 3M. But if you change cartridges on time it should not be an issue.
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post Aug 16 2020, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(jsen58 @ Aug 16 2020, 07:52 PM)
What about 3M DWS1000?
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DWS 1000 has lower filtration capacity compare with DWS 2500 T-CN of 2,800L.
Lower flow rate of 2.27L compare with 2.85L and DWS 2500 T-CN has a better micron rating of 0.2 μ(micron) Absolute.
For ~Rm500 different, imo the DWS 2500 T-CN offer a better filtration, it's almost like a mini AP 902 with carbon.
Replacement cost 😅 for every 6months
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post Aug 17 2020, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(senscents @ Aug 16 2020, 09:00 PM)
DWS 1000 has lower filtration capacity compare with DWS 2500 T-CN of 2,800L.
Lower flow rate of 2.27L compare with 2.85L and DWS 2500 T-CN has a better micron rating of 0.2 μ(micron) Absolute.
For ~Rm500 different, imo the DWS 2500 T-CN offer a better filtration, it's almost like a mini AP 902 with carbon.
Replacement cost 😅 for every 6months
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Yes DWS2500 is a huge step up from DWS1000 (which is similar to EasyCOmplete), but the main hurdle for DWS2500 is the catridge cost replacement.. its like 750 bucks for every 6 months? GIla lor...
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post Aug 17 2020, 01:59 PM

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Yes DWS2500 is a huge step up from DWS1000 (which is similar to EasyCOmplete), but the main hurdle for DWS2500 is the catridge cost replacement.. its like 750 bucks for every 6 months? GIla lor...
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We won't know the logic of pricing placement of their products & replacement cartridges. Only if the head of 3M Malaysia really wants to flood the market with a good and affordable water filter systems like in other countries.
For now, we can only see but can not touch😂

Even the well to do persons will take the filters replacement cost into consideration.
One might be able to afford the one time purchase of the system but replacement cartridges cost 😅
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post Aug 17 2020, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(senscents @ Aug 17 2020, 01:59 PM)
We won't know the logic of pricing placement of their products & replacement cartridges. Only if the head of 3M Malaysia really wants to flood the market with a good and affordable water filter systems like in other countries.
For now, we can only see but can not touch😂

Even the well to do persons will take the filters replacement cost into consideration.
One might be able to afford the one time purchase of the system but replacement cartridges cost 😅
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That said the catridge cost is cheaper from Amazon/US... that could be a consideration since i travel to the US 2~3 times every year (not this year la)...
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post Aug 18 2020, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Aug 17 2020, 02:15 PM)
That said the catridge cost is cheaper from Amazon/US... that could be a consideration since i travel to the US 2~3 times every year (not this year la)...
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Yes, but only do that if you have a chance to return while in USA. Since Amazon is a dropship warehouse and many sellers or vendors simply send their stock there, some cartridges may be quite old.
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post Aug 18 2020, 08:16 PM

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Great & Excellent customer service.
Now our flow rate are good. From the previous of <1.95L/min to ~2.7L/min.
That's a whopping ~40% increase of flow rate.
Thank to Ervin for the meticulous checking of the filter system which takes a few hard working hours for him to increase the ~40% of the flow rate.
The increment of 40% might not seems much for some one but for us it's sure a big factor.

Once again would like to give a thumb up 👍 to Hestati & his humble & polite technical Ervin for their assistance in this. Kudos.
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post Aug 18 2020, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(senscents @ Aug 18 2020, 08:16 PM)
Great & Excellent customer service.
Now our flow rate are good. From the previous of <1.95L/min to ~2.7L/min.
That's a whopping ~40% increase of flow rate.
Thank to Ervin for the meticulous checking of the filter system which takes a few hard working hours for him to increase the ~40% of the flow rate.
The increment of 40% might not seems much for some one but for us it's sure a big factor.

Once again would like to give a thumb up 👍 to Hestati & his humble & polite technical Ervin for their assistance in this. Kudos.
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Thank you for your kind words and for your patience. I also replied in the other thread smile.gif
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post Aug 18 2020, 10:29 PM

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Hi all sifus,

I am newbie at here. Would like to seek some suggestions from all.
I have a Cuckoo Fusion Top at home and thinking to change and replace the 4 cartridge inside it myself to save the servicing fees.

I found many aftermarket cartridge which are compatible with Cuckoo. Did anyone try those aftermarket filter before?

Million thanks in advance.

This post has been edited by my_superworm: Aug 18 2020, 10:40 PM
lifeisjustgreat
post Aug 19 2020, 12:57 AM

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Hi, Anyone has comments/feedback regarding this water purifier Toray SW5-EG Countertop Water Filter ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TPHCT1pHLs&t=80

As compare to Aquasana 4000 and 3M CTM-02, which is the best pick among the 3 as their price range is not too much difference.

This post has been edited by lifeisjustgreat: Aug 19 2020, 03:28 PM
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post Aug 19 2020, 11:17 AM

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I recently bought the 3M POE Whole House (small to medium) external filter and am happy with it. Though the water in my area, Tanjong Bungah is relatively clean, the water tank above my block isn't the cleanest (old). So was happy to come across this so it can be easily installed and removed when needed. (I'm in a rental). I'd just like cleaner water for shower and laundry. I already have extra water filters and alkaline filter in the kitchen for drinking and cooking. And I use a Brita Water jug for brushing teeth.

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post Aug 19 2020, 09:26 PM

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Friends, for everyone who is considering no-name parts made in China (I am not dissing China, they make some great products, I am really talking about low end), think twice. Be it cartridges, faucets or anything else.

We just recently installed a water filter at customer's place. They wanted to use their own faucet, which suited their kitchen design. From outside, the faucet looked well quality made. Few days later, they notice smell in their water and it gets worse and worse every single day. Of course their first idea that something is wrong with the filter. We are equally worried, but ask them to disconnect the faucet and try the water directly from the filter. Turns out that faucet gives this bad smell, taste and even some film once the water is boiled.

We had similar experience with 2-in-1 faucet. It is made by large Chinese manufacturer, who makes faucets for many well known brands. Never issue with the faucet itself, however, it has flexible lines, one of them being for drinking water. Of course they do not manufacture but purchase them from a vendor. This vendor changed something on their side and one batch of faucets we received gave rubber/plastic smell to the water. Took us long time to track down the issue, change the line, report to the faucet factory.

Actually, it is good when the component gives bad taste or smell, at least you can know that something is wrong and identify it. What happens if there is no taste? If the faucet is leaching lead or the cartridge is leaching silver, you will not know it, you will not taste it.

There are usually alternatives to buying generic made in China water filter parts, and even very budget alternatives, either from known brands who control the quality, or from Taiwan/Korea/Europe/USA. This only applies to components that touch water, so mainly cartridges, faucets, tubes/lines and housings. Again, do not get me wrong, I am not saying they do it on purpose to poison you. They often have no desire or ability to control everything down to raw materials of every vendor they work with. They operate in a highly competitive environment where they need to cut cost to survive.
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QUOTE(hestati @ Aug 19 2020, 09:26 PM)
Friends, for everyone who is considering no-name parts made in China (I am not dissing China, they make some great products, I am really talking about low end), think twice. Be it cartridges, faucets or anything else.

We just recently installed a water filter at customer's place. They wanted to use their own faucet, which suited their kitchen design. From outside, the faucet looked well quality made. Few days later, they notice smell in their water and it gets worse and worse every single day. Of course their first idea that something is wrong with the filter. We are equally worried, but ask them to disconnect the faucet and try the water directly from the filter. Turns out that faucet gives this bad smell, taste and even some film once the water is boiled.

We had similar experience with 2-in-1 faucet. It is made by large Chinese manufacturer, who makes faucets for many well known brands. Never issue with the faucet itself, however, it has flexible lines, one of them being for drinking water. Of course they do not manufacture but purchase them from a vendor. This vendor changed something on their side and one batch of faucets we received gave rubber/plastic smell to the water. Took us long time to track down the issue, change the line, report to the faucet factory.

Actually, it is good when the component gives bad taste or smell, at least you can know that something is wrong and identify it. What happens if there is no taste? If the faucet is leaching lead or the cartridge is leaching silver, you will not know it, you will not taste it.

There are usually alternatives to buying generic made in China water filter parts, and even very budget alternatives, either from known brands who control the quality, or from Taiwan/Korea/Europe/USA. This only applies to components that touch water, so mainly cartridges, faucets, tubes/lines and housings. Again, do not get me wrong, I am not saying they do it on purpose to poison you. They often have no desire or ability to control everything down to raw materials of every vendor they work with. They operate in a highly competitive environment where they need to cut cost to survive.
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Thanks for sharing! However, how could a normal consumer know that a product's part is make in China, but marketed/assembled in USA and brand it as "Make in USA"? sweat.gif
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1. landed or condo? Apartment
2. how many pax in your household? 2
3. got senior / babies / people with disease like kidney failure for example in the house? No
4. can you able to do some small DIY installing yourself or not? (like replacement filter yourself?) Yes
5. how much u afford to installment per month for at least 5 years? 50/mth or 100/mth or 150/mth? Nope
6. or do u prefer 1-time off purchase? below 1k or 2k or 3k? Around 1k
7. do you own external water filter yet? No
8. hot/water function is it a must for you? will you willing to fork out another RM50/mth electricity bill for the feature? or you just stick with thermal pot + fridge cold water? No

Any sifus have some recommendations?
Been eyeing for Aquasana 5300 water filter. Is it good? Any pros and cons?
Thanks in advance
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post Aug 20 2020, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(lifeisjustgreat @ Aug 19 2020, 10:57 PM)
Thanks for sharing! However, how could a normal consumer know that a product's part is make in China, but marketed/assembled in USA and brand it as "Make in USA"?  sweat.gif
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This is less of an issue actually, since I think you are referring to bigger brands. Yes, local sellers may say that brand A or brand B is "made in USA". Just go to the official website, and if it is not mentioned "made in USA" (it would be if it was the case, since this is huge marketing +), then it is not. But again, for bigger brands it is not an issue with few exceptions (Pentek being the most significant). Usually big brands will keep the quality up, like 3M for example. Cartridges are made in Mexico, but quality is still good.

QUOTE(ShinViomonX @ Aug 19 2020, 10:57 PM)
1. landed or condo? Apartment
2. how many pax in your household? 2
3. got senior / babies / people with disease like kidney failure for example in the house? No
4. can you able to do some small DIY installing yourself or not? (like replacement filter yourself?) Yes
5. how much u afford to installment per month for at least 5 years? 50/mth or 100/mth or 150/mth? Nope
6. or do u prefer 1-time off purchase? below 1k or 2k or 3k? Around 1k
7. do you own external water filter yet? No
8. hot/water function is it a must for you? will you willing to fork out another RM50/mth electricity bill for the feature? or you just stick with thermal pot + fridge cold water? No

Any sifus have some recommendations?
Been eyeing for Aquasana 5300 water filter. Is it good? Any pros and cons?
Thanks in advance
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It is overpriced for what it is. Basically sediment + modified carbon. If you are planning to boil water anyway and do not care about bacteria/viruses, then just simple 3M Easy Complete is a good choice. For 1K or so you would want a bit more protection. Again, it is not bad product, it is certified and has mainly good reviews.

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post Aug 20 2020, 06:48 AM

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QUOTE(hestati @ Aug 20 2020, 12:58 AM)
It is overpriced for what it is. Basically sediment + modified carbon.
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https://www.amazon.com/s?k=aquasana&rh=p_89...ef=sr_nr_p_89_1

At Amazon, Aquasana models are selling at about RM350 cheaper than local reseller. But the shipping fee is over RM100, and it take time to deliver. Thus, "overpriced" is somehow relevant. dry.gif So at 1K budget, could you point us to those filters which is priced right? biggrin.gif

By the way, is Aquasana 4000 direct drinkable after filter, which is claimed by their seller is safe to drink. But I wonder can its filter or block or kill bacterial and virus ?

This post has been edited by lifeisjustgreat: Aug 20 2020, 05:01 PM
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post Aug 20 2020, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(lifeisjustgreat @ Aug 20 2020, 06:48 AM)
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https://www.amazon.com/s?k=aquasana&rh=p_89...ef=sr_nr_p_89_1

At Amazon, Aquasana models are selling at about RM350 cheaper than local reseller. But the shipping fee is over RM100, and it take time to deliver. Thus, "overpriced" is somehow relevant.  dry.gif So at 1K budget, could you point us to those filters which is priced right?  biggrin.gif

By the way, is Aquasana 4000 direct drinkable after filter, which is claimed by their seller is safe to drink. But I wonder can its filter or block or kill bacterial and virus ?
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No need to ask them, just check if it has any mechanism, such as membrane UF, UV or any other. As far as I know it is sediment + modified carbon, so basically dirt, taste, chlorine and lead. It is equivalent (in terms of performance) to 3M Easy Complete. I never said Aquasana is expensive here vs. USA, all I said is that it is pricey for what it is. You can say that this NSF cost them arm and a leg, it's true, but same applies to 3M.

I am just using 3M as a reference point, big brand, quality, made in USA/Mexico, NSF 42 and 53. Cost is roughly 600 nowadays. So in my opinion, to justify higher price, say 900-1200, filter should offer something more than it.

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post Aug 20 2020, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(my_superworm @ Aug 18 2020, 10:29 PM)
Hi all sifus,

I am newbie at here. Would like to seek some suggestions from all.
I have a Cuckoo Fusion Top at home and thinking to change and replace the 4 cartridge inside it myself to save the servicing fees.

I found many aftermarket cartridge which are compatible with Cuckoo. Did anyone try those aftermarket filter before?

Million thanks in advance.
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Can any sifus help me with my queries? Thank you in advance.

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