It is an OEM brand not made by Aquaphor.

I am using it myself and figures i manually test instead of catalogs usually showing higher figures.

Hot Water 800ml Capacity
Cold Water 1.1L Capacity

Takes about 4 minutes to heat up the tank and water temperature measured in cup is 75 degree. I tried to boil with a kettle n test in cup shows 80 degree.

yeah, i know there are many users and i did mention no doubt it is a good filter.

What is the motivation behind so many sellers so hardworking selling it in the forum? Just because it is a good product or high profit margin? that is what i wanna comment only

the smaller the micron, the lesser particles it will be in our water.

that is why as tested
Crystal Eco with 0.1 micron on average reading 60-70ppm

while
RO with 0.0001 micron on average reading below 10ppm

However, we can also argue not all 0.1 micron filters will have reading 60-70ppm if the water tested has more particles below 0.1 micron (which is very unlikely). That is why i mentioned, it can be used as a guide only and not an accurate measurement. The only method to really gauge how good a water filter is, is through lab test but consumers will not have the time and money to test all the filters, hence TDS is just a cheap and basic test if they wanna test.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Sep 21 2016, 09:56 AM

My honest opinion, there are many amway seller here in this forum, many of them can PM you their best price, many can give even lower than member price but who can offer the BEST after SALES Service? From what i know, amway does not provide the after sales service but the sales agent do, so you must get it from a reliable sales person.

From what i notice, there are many new sellers here, some just post few months then gone missing but there are only a few who have been active in the forum for many years and one of them is chickytien. Check back the post and then u determine who is a more reliable sales agent. Price is 1 thing, service is also important

Regarding NSF, NSF does not rank water filters. A basic carbon block filter like Culligan selling for RM 399 can already pass NSF. So why buy filters that are RM 2 - 3k?
Even a filter pass NSF it does not mean it is good enough, NSF only sets the minimum standard. That is why it is also important to know what media or method is used in the water filtration process also.

Example :
Filter A : Has NSF with Carbon Block + ceramic balls + Mineral stone rated 2 micron RM 699
Filter B : Has NSF with Carbon Block + Membrane + UV Light rated 0.2 micron RM 3999

So, a person who didnt to much research will definitely just buy Filter A since it has NSF and it is much cheaper but for someone who have done their research will definite be able to tell Filter B is a much better choice



This post has been edited by zheilwane: Sep 21 2016, 10:36 PM

lol, i m not an expert but i know a little more compared to end user only I believe if a customer is willing to spend time to read all the discussion thread and all the shared links in the past such as wikipedia, WHO report, NSF report, they will know as much as me also

I am also an AMWAY member, i can sell it here as well even below member price but i choose not to because i cant provide the good service like others who are really dedicated to sell it, hence i only focus and sell Aquaphor. I have by main business and i spent most of my time providing good service for all of my products and therefore i do not have time to cover Amway. Yes, i can sell and make profit but if i cant provide the service, customers will complain and it will be bad for my online reputation which has been good for about 8 years

So, my advise if you are planning to get Amway, get it from a serious seller who is able to provide good after sales service. How to know is reliable or not? we wont be able to tell until we purchase. For me, how i gauge a person's service, c how quick he response to your queries, how much does he knows about the product and look back as his history replies in forum.

For those who are looking premium quality filter yet affordable, can get Aquaphor from me. Guarantee the after sales from me is definitely good as i m always focus with my products

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Sep 22 2016, 11:19 AM

AMWAY tested for 140 types of things, there are many brands that have nsf also didnt test for so many types. Question is, does our water have all these 140 types of contaminants?

I must agree most NSF reports for other brands do not have such a long list compared to Amway, most of them are very little only. From what i know, there are certain items to test for Standard 42 n 53, if u wan to test additional item not in the package u need more $$ but most brands would not pay for the extra $$ to test.

As per our local MOH requirement to test 42 items, we TESTED AQUAPHOR based on malaysia water quality and report shows that the result is very much better compared to the standards required
http://aquaphor.com.my/crystal-eco



"Active charcoal carbon filters are most effective at removing chlorine, sediment, volatile organic compounds (VOCs), taste and odor from water"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_filtering



FYI, just VOC alone already consist about 50 contaminants. Aquaphor Crystal Eco drinking water is using carbon block + hollow fibre membrane. Any filters using carbon block can already minimum filter more than 50 types of contaminants. So, with Carbon BLock + 0.1 micron hollow fibre membrane, Aquaphor can easily filter more than 100 types of contaminants. However, how many types are in our water? Our Local MOH only suggest to test 42 items even to pass NSF standards 42 & 53, we dont have to test 100 items. Yes, Amway did a good job in testing 140 items but not tested for 100 over items doenst mean Aquaphor water filter is not good, if you know what media is used and the quality of the media, a filter expert like you can tell what the filter is capable off but it seems like you are trying to confuse readers

Regular filter use granular carbon only, compared to that we are using high quality carbon blocks (very thick with Aqualen) + Hollow fibre membrane, why cant i say Aquaphor is premium water filtration system?
I have to emphasize again, i do agree Awmays - Espring is a good filter and never suggest Aquaphor is better but it is affordable and yet providing high quality water filtration.

You sound like a water expert, you should know this and why still try to mislead forumers Aquaphor only filter 20 - 30 types of contaminants.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Sep 25 2016, 08:36 AM

That is why there is a risk if u buy from some1 because of low price, the person might end of the day give up being an agent and quit selling it, then u need to pay for the after sales service everytime u call AMWAY which is by right provided by the seller. This is the point i pointed out so far

However, u will be surprised almost all sellers are selling below member price, i have done my research may be you are not aware of this.

Just think about it AMWAY (0.2micron) is using Carbon Block + UV Light while Aquaphor (0.1 micron) is (Carbon Block + Aqualen) + Hollow Fibre membrane, Aquaphor lose in term of UV Light but also wins in terms of micron and it has AQUALEN (patented technology) in their carbon blocks. UV light only kill bacteria, it does not remove contaminants or chemical compound. As i m running my own business, i m not limited to my products, if people thinks UV light is so important to them, i can always add on a water dispenser with UV light and the total cost will still be less than RM 3k. If my main purpose is only making profit i can always order 14 units of Espring to get the low cost and sell it in my shop which i didnt as i have my own reasons to it and i am not 100% profit motivated in doing business. Forumers who want to know more can ask me in my shop.

I have replied all the queries that the other AMway sellers throw at me previously, for those who wants to read, can check back older pages i provided links and photos in my replies as well. If the sole comparison is NSF certificate, i might as well bring in DWM 101 it has NSF to certified it as a RO system, it can filter things like Fluoride that is in our water and even Espring and Aquaphor Crystal Eco cant filter fluoride
http://www.amway.com/at-home/eSpring/support/faqs/
However, from my many years of experience, after evaluating the pros, cons and cost, i choose to market Crystal Eco water filter instead of DWM101 RO filter

Once again i have to repeat that i do agree Espring is also a good filter, with all the lab test and certifications definitely it is good but if customers who wan to get something good yet affordable can also consider Aquaphor, i m not saying Aquaphor is better but it also provides premium water filtration yet affordable

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Sep 22 2016, 08:45 PM

I didnt say we need to filter fluoride, i was implying if D-Goh wanna compare NSF wanna compare numbers of contaminants that it can filter, DWM 101 RO filter can definitely filter more types on contaminants such as FLUORIDE.
So why i take the trouble to sell Eco instead of DWM 101 which is far more superior?

Google and read up on some debates why some countries add fluoride and some dont. there is no 100% answer to this but the amount of fluoride in our water is consider safe. Fluoride is good for teeth for external use like tooth paste not for consumption. Consuming fluoride wont have any benefit for our teeth


Here are some links unintentionally provided by D-Goh about fluoride

http://www.waterfyi.com/uncategorized/filt...er-performance/

http://www.waterfyi.com/drinking-water/flu...e-eliminate-it/

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Sep 24 2016, 08:52 PM

Dear D_Goh, we have debated on the LGA previously, why would you wan to bring up the same thing and give a wrong website to deceive people.

Espring is 0.2 micron using carbon block technology with UV light while Aquaphor crystal Eco water filter is 0.1 micron with carbon block + aqualen technology and also hollow fibre membrane, you trying to say my filter is not fit to say it is premium water quality? What logic is this.

Local labtest report was done by a local MOH accredited lab, report also given in my website. How could you say home test.
http://aquaphor.com.my/sites/default/files/laboratory_0.pdf

Here is the explanation for those who wanna read
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3615495/+20



FEEL FREE TO COME and take a water sample and test if you want. Please bear in mind, your competitors are the other amway seller here not me, i respect chickytien for being humble, honest and been replying promptly and logically and may be that is why many bought from him, i have customers got amway from him as well

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Sep 23 2016, 03:59 PM

1) I shown international cert to prove Aquaphor Crystal Eco drinking water is certified with international LGA food regulation


2) I have uploaded local lab test report done by a lab accredited by MOH not our home test
http://aquaphor.com.my/sites/default/files/laboratory_0.pdf

3) I have CUT open my product, shown what is inside still not transparent enough?


Why we need to know about international certificate and also why i always ask my customers do also check on what media is used rather blindly look at the certificate only as some brands cincai print NSF, WQA or etc without actually having certified by them and the media given could be different from what they were told.
I have done many research and comparison, here is a sample Brand X claim that they are giving carbon block as well but listen to the sound when i shake the cartridge, it doesnt sound like carbon block, sound more like granular carbon to me.



I checked amway website it is only written 0.2 micron as well (not specified nominal or absolute). Aquaphor is using HOLLOW fibre membrane with pore size 0.1 micron, if we just google online to know more about hollow fibre membrane, we can safely say it is absolute micron. You are a water expert, you should know how Hollow Fibre Membrane works but you again try to confuse forumers with absolute or nominal micron.
"Hollow fiber membrane filters water by size exclusion. Size exclusion works by having a pore size smaller than the size of the contaminates. Try pushing a basketball down a golf ball hole. Not going to happen right? Same thing with contaminants in water"
http://renovowater.com/water101/HF_blog1/

For outdoor filters like sand filters, yes they use the term nominal 5 micron bcoz it is not consistent 5 micron filtration. After 2 - 3 years, with the usage and backwash, the layers of sand will get mixed up and hence no longer 5 micron. Strong water pressure will also be able to force contaminants bigger than 5 micron through. But for drinking filter when we use Carbon Block and Hollow Fibre Membrane, media that is so compressed unlike granular or sand.

With all this u still say i m twisting words and bla bla bla, seems like you are trying to defame us. Like i say, u can anytime come and take water samples if u want. u can look at my carbon block or hollow fibre membrane if you wan. Bring your espring unit here to my shop, then we test side by side with the same water quality as incoming water supply, then we can see how much difference between Aquaphor Crystal Eco Vs Espring, that would be interesting. My shop is open mon - sat, 9am - 6pm. I already compared side by side before but the results would be more convincing if it is posted from your account Good advertisement for me haha.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Sep 25 2016, 08:46 AM


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1) Since when i say things not filtered by Aquaphor is not in our water. I mentioned you keep boasting Amway tested on 140 types of contaminants and i asked you how many of them are really in our water supply? You did not answer but most probably u will say all of them i guess. As mentioned, our locall MOH standards only require a test of 42 items and they are all tested and shown in the lab report already, i only say things that are not tested does not mean Aquaphor cannot filter (refer back to previous post and wikipedia link given)

2) When i mentioned 14 units you should know, i know quite well about the discount structure. Why i dont wan to specify the figures bcoz in business it is wrong to disclose costing even if it is a competitor. Selling profit + Trip + Target + Certain Month Special offer is definitely able to be categorized as high profit margin, moreover you dont have to pay rental, electricity and etc. Any1 who wants to know, can always go Amway join member, ask and verify


I have explained enough and provided a lot of supporting facts. I believe forumers who are reading should know who is the one twisting the facts and giving false info trying to defame Aquaphor. Debating alone might not be convincing enough, lets wait til u come to my shop and compare your Espring with my Aquaphor and see the results, you may test whatever and however you like but to be fair, the same test must b done with your Espring on the same day as comparison. Just give me a date, we are open 6 days in a week. I have a unit installed in my shop where we demo and also drink it everyday.

After the test, i can also cut open the unit for you to have a look that it is not a brand new unit (cartridge replaced in April 2016). Then to be fair, we cut your cartridge as well to compare. Lets do this

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Sep 26 2016, 11:37 AM

Thanks bro Good to have feedback from customers, do share more in future

from my experience, average usage per household (4-5 ppl) is 2500L - 3000L. How i get this estimate? based on how frequent my customers change their cartridge and also my own usage.

If it is 2500L then it will cost RM 1000 per year. Never try seahorse water could it be seamaster instead? but for 60cents 1.5L is very cheap, even tesco water is 90 cents, Spritzer RM 2.85... such a huge price difference
https://eshop.tesco.com.my/groceries/en-GB/...7fY&query=water

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Sep 27 2016, 09:34 PM

i guess u mean 1st Oct 2016 @ 10.30am , that would be great
anyone interested just drop by as well

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This post has been edited by zheilwane: Sep 28 2016, 09:56 AM

Thanks for your support I believe you are happy with your Aquaphor POU water filter right

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Sep 28 2016, 03:06 PM

First of all i didnt bash amway poor service. i said u need to get from a reliable seller as the seller will be mainly providing the after sales service. As i know i m unable to provide such service as i have too many products to cover in my shop, i choose not to sell. Then i suggest, no doubt Espring is a good product and best to get from reliable seller such as "chickytien " instead of going for seller who offer low prices.
You need to prove the point you are a reliable seller then forumers who wan to buy amway will buy from you but instead you go bashing my brand, giving so much wrong info which i pointed out and shared links to explain. Keep on twisting my words . . . .

Lab report was done by permulab, samples were taken to test for drinking water standard, you can call them to verify. I called our Local MOH and they do not provide such testing service and they refer me to several labs, that is how i found this lab.
http://www.permulab.com.my/index.html

Already explained and shown, Aquaphor is using carbon block. What else... I seriously dont know how to continue this as your replies are all mainly to attack me, no logic.... Since you wanted to talk bad about us, i have given you the opportunity to check my product. I believe in the quality of my product and i have nothing to hide.

Why i modified my post? Dont you notice my replies are all very long... i dont just type everything in 1 shot. I write bit by bits, i have customers to attend, i cant just type all in 1 go ahha. You can check my other post in other threads, i edit most of them as well. I add more info not change the meaning of my posting...

My shop is here for business not gangster fight, just drop by, shake hands, be friends and lets do the comparison. Dont worry, i wont hurt you, i will buy you lunch, deal?

From the same wikipedia link that i provided also got this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_filtering

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Sep 29 2016, 04:56 PM

wow, thanks for the summary haha. Forum is a good place for debates and for people to learn stuff, i really hope even we are competitors, we can talk nicely and share info. what is the point, i hate u, u hate me. I have other competitors who choose to give up selling in forum as they say they cant handle the stress from replies like this. I feel the same as well but occasionally there are customers who came to my shop and commented they like my post and ask me keep it up, that is what motivates me to continue posting actively til today (that is why i mentioned, i run my business not 100% purely because of profit but also as my hobby and interest). Once again, i m not a true expert, i dont have a degree for this (i believe nobody here has a degree in water filtration as well), i also learn through reading forum and online research, if i post anything incorrect u can always PM me but please do not simply post wrong facts for the purpose to sabotage me


There are so many scientific terms used in lab reports, even i dont understand all those stuff. I bliv even you dont fully understand them as well. After doing some reading, yes THM is tested in Permulab Report without you knowing it as they use different terms for it

THM = Trihalomethane
"Trihalomethanes (THMs) are chemical compounds in which three of the four hydrogen atoms of methane (CH4) are replaced by halogen atoms."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trihalomethane

A few example of THM
1) trichloromethane
2) tribromomethane
3) dibromochloromethane

What are these? These are also commonly known as below which is tested and shown in the permulab report item 28 - 31
1) chloroform (item 28)
2) bromoform (item 29)
3) dibromochloromethane (item 30)

Roughly browse through the 90 items, the items include conductivity, taste, ordor even temperature, no wonder the list is so long haahah.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Sep 29 2016, 09:40 PM

Thanks for your comment Really make my day for helping out.

Yes, your water quality is very bad, your pre-filter is so dirty til i cant even see the ceramic inside though the plastic casing is transparent. I am glad that Aquaphor is able to handle even such water condition

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Sep 30 2016, 10:52 AM


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Just to be fair, there are good MLM sellers also, responsive and friendly. Bought some nu skin products to improve my skin condition, the seller is very helpful and occasionally text me asking me about my condition. While i have another friend who got the same product, the seller keep on pushing him to try other products, call him to buy n buy n buy, very irritating.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Sep 30 2016, 11:00 AM

I think he was referring to the seller not MLM company or products. There are many types of seller, for my example, my Nu Skin seller was confident with his products, he didnt push me to buy but give me all the info and let me decide to buy or not. However, my friend's case, the seller keep on calling him to buy this and that, trying to brainwash him and say other brands no good la this n that, tried to scare him saying will cause cancer and this and that , this is the type of seller i hate.