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post Jul 28 2015, 05:38 PM

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Right, paddle shifters!

Why did I forget about those....Must be the sales people though, they don't really explain their cars very well and I had to insist for a longer test route instead of a short circle - from a sales perspective, Mazda has to improve this

And although the PJ 222 showroom already looks quite dated compared to other brands, a simple thing they really could start with to improve it is by turning on the lights - it looks so gloomy and depressing inside.

Anyhow, not bothered about resale values but more interested in drivers car and the safety pack. I regularly will take myself off the highway to enjoy the B roads.

Thanks guys, have ordered and will be delivering very soon. Perhaps after a couple of months will do a comparo for others benefit.
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post Jul 28 2015, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(peter_pj @ Jul 28 2015, 05:13 PM)
I know that this is a Mazda3 club but I'm not comparing a current Mazda3 with a current Ford Focus MK3 - in this comparison, I agree that a Mazda3 is the winner for most of the areas.

The Focus MK3 is not far behind though as SDAC only needs to work on their after sales service (I find them rude) and they would be fine.

Contrary to popular belief and "my friend say" theories, throughout my ownership of my current MK2 Focus, I have no problems in reliability (no breakdowns, ever), parts (other than typical maintenance, nothing else has spoilt), cost of maintenance (I service outside since out of warranty, price is normal as well).

If you look at resale values of the previous generation Focus and 3, both have similar depreciation levels (remember to take into consideration that the previous Mazda 3 2.0 was always priced higher then the previous Focus)

Anyway, I'm thinking of changing from the older MK2 Focus to the current Mazda3. Reason for the change is ONLY because of the safety pack in the M3 high spec sedan vs the lack of it in C-segment cars at the time I bought the Focus. Oh, and importantly also because the M3 scores very high on NCAP and IIHS tests (as good as a Volvo but with cheaper maintenance, yay) - No other C-segment car comes this close.

The only drawback to me from the change is the smaller rear seat (which I don't really care as only 2 of us generally) and I feel that the pick-up is slower during test drives (on paper is faster, but the butt disagrees).

Might be the gearing I think as its tuned for efficiency. I saw that foreign cars have a "Sport" switch, is this something that can be added on?
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Resale value never come into the picture when choosing my dream car.
If resale value is the top priority, then is very easy for you to choose, like derraville said, only H & T for you to choose.

You are right, safety features is one of the main selling point of Mazda 3, especially for CKD version. It beat all segment C car in Malaysia.

yes, the rear seat really narrow in C segment range, not suitable for you if you looking for family car, but if looking for comfortable family car, still left H & T for you to choose, or maybe N also ok, exclude Kimchi car, which somehow never take them into consideration. tongue.gif

I choose Mazda 3 because of
1. Engine Performance
2. Internal and external Design
3. Safety Features (since CBU missing I-Activesenses, so is not the safety features it attract me)

This post has been edited by Amras of Nargothrond: Jul 28 2015, 05:51 PM
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post Jul 28 2015, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(peter_pj @ Jul 28 2015, 05:38 PM)
Right, paddle shifters!

Why did I forget about those....Must be the sales people though, they don't really explain their cars very well and I had to insist for a longer test route instead of a short circle - from a sales perspective, Mazda has to improve this

And although the PJ 222 showroom already looks quite dated compared to other brands, a simple thing they really could start with to improve it is by turning on the lights - it looks so gloomy and depressing inside.

Anyhow, not bothered about resale values but more interested in drivers car and the safety pack. I regularly will take myself off the highway to enjoy the B roads.

Thanks guys, have ordered and will be delivering very soon. Perhaps after a couple of months will do a comparo for others benefit.
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reminder, iirc, low spec no paddle shifters
KennyKB
post Jul 28 2015, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(peter_pj @ Jul 28 2015, 05:38 PM)
Thanks guys, have ordered and will be delivering very soon. Perhaps after a couple of months will do a comparo for others benefit.
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Btw, the GL spec has the same safety features as the high spec. This should be the way as safety features should not be optional. The buyer should pay more for luxury features not safety features. But UMW-T obviously doesn't think so.

If you are getting your car soon you must have ordered the high spec white?

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post Jul 28 2015, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(derravile @ Jul 28 2015, 05:48 PM)
reminder, iirc, low spec no paddle shifters
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There is also a manual shifting option at the gear lever. But in general manual shifting for an auto car is not very useful as the auto gear tend to override your choice after a short while.
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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Jul 28 2015, 06:10 PM)
There is also a manual shifting option at the gear lever. But in general manual shifting for an auto car is not very useful as the auto gear tend to override your choice after a short while.
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yes, i knew that, i've been driving the car for 1 year+....... sweat.gif sweat.gif
also u r wrg, if u push ur gear level to the side, its permanent manual shifting, it only downshifts it reach below certain speed.....u need put back into auto to park
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post Jul 28 2015, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(peter_pj @ Jul 28 2015, 05:13 PM)
I know that this is a Mazda3 club but I'm not comparing a current Mazda3 with a current Ford Focus MK3 - in this comparison, I agree that a Mazda3 is the winner for most of the areas.

The Focus MK3 is not far behind though as SDAC only needs to work on their after sales service (I find them rude) and they would be fine.

Contrary to popular belief and "my friend say" theories, throughout my ownership of my current MK2 Focus, I have no problems in reliability (no breakdowns, ever), parts (other than typical maintenance, nothing else has spoilt), cost of maintenance (I service outside since out of warranty, price is normal as well).

If you look at resale values of the previous generation Focus and 3, both have similar depreciation levels (remember to take into consideration that the previous Mazda 3 2.0 was always priced higher then the previous Focus)

Anyway, I'm thinking of changing from the older MK2 Focus to the current Mazda3. Reason for the change is ONLY because of the safety pack in the M3 high spec sedan vs the lack of it in C-segment cars at the time I bought the Focus. Oh, and importantly also because the M3 scores very high on NCAP and IIHS tests (as good as a Volvo but with cheaper maintenance, yay) - No other C-segment car comes this close.

The only drawback to me from the change is the smaller rear seat (which I don't really care as only 2 of us generally) and I feel that the pick-up is slower during test drives (on paper is faster, but the butt disagrees).

Might be the gearing I think as its tuned for efficiency. I saw that foreign cars have a "Sport" switch, is this something that can be added on?
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If you ask which is better in this club, sure everyone here will vote for M3 and that's why we are here. I also make a lot of comparison before i decide to choose M3 as new design, new engine, new technology and of course CKD price is very attractive with all the specs given. Previously M3 is about 138k is consider over price for C Segment car and with medium specs.

For resale value, of course always T&H in Malaysia market but M3 also won't loose too much. T&H is too common on the road and you can simply take a stone and throw also will kena few. Mazda brand let ppl feel it is most premium japanese car in Malaysia. Of course if you want to have a nice Service Center, T&H still the winner.

Think of it 2.0 car with below 110k for mid spec and 124k form high spec, even kimchi 2.0 also need about 118k. Safety features like 6 air bag is available in any specs, just what you can add on in HIgh spec is safety features like i-Activsense, keyless entry, GPS, leather seat, pedal shift, auto cruise control, Bi-Xenon HID, HUD and so on....with additional of 13k comparing to mid spec.

For the back space, yes the leg room is not that good, but most of the C Sement car leg room also just so so, unless you get yourself SUV. Even HRV or City leg room also better than M3. Depends on how frequent your car fetch with full people.

This is only my personal viewpoint which can share with you. Final decision is still on you. thumbup.gif
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post Jul 28 2015, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(peter_pj @ Jul 28 2015, 05:13 PM)
I know that this is a Mazda3 club but I'm not comparing a current Mazda3 with a current Ford Focus MK3 - in this comparison, I agree that a Mazda3 is the winner for most of the areas.

The Focus MK3 is not far behind though as SDAC only needs to work on their after sales service (I find them rude) and they would be fine.

Contrary to popular belief and "my friend say" theories, throughout my ownership of my current MK2 Focus, I have no problems in reliability (no breakdowns, ever), parts (other than typical maintenance, nothing else has spoilt), cost of maintenance (I service outside since out of warranty, price is normal as well).

If you look at resale values of the previous generation Focus and 3, both have similar depreciation levels (remember to take into consideration that the previous Mazda 3 2.0 was always priced higher then the previous Focus)

Anyway, I'm thinking of changing from the older MK2 Focus to the current Mazda3. Reason for the change is ONLY because of the safety pack in the M3 high spec sedan vs the lack of it in C-segment cars at the time I bought the Focus. Oh, and importantly also because the M3 scores very high on NCAP and IIHS tests (as good as a Volvo but with cheaper maintenance, yay) - No other C-segment car comes this close.

The only drawback to me from the change is the smaller rear seat (which I don't really care as only 2 of us generally) and I feel that the pick-up is slower during test drives (on paper is faster, but the butt disagrees).

Might be the gearing I think as its tuned for efficiency. I saw that foreign cars have a "Sport" switch, is this something that can be added on?
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Performace wise the Focus and Mazda3 is about the same. The difference is in the throttle curve. For the Mazda3 I'd say the first 50% of the fuel pedal is designed for fuel saving, so if you're looking for that feeling where you "step abit on the pedal and car zooms" type of deal you will be dissapointed. To turn on the Mazda3 power you have to step on the throttle quite deep. At MAX throttle the difference between the 2 cars are almost negligable.

I tested the Mazda3, Focus and Jetta quite abit before settling for the Mazda3. With the Focus I actually drove from KL to Ipoh in a friend's car. My conclusion is this, if you want power in the city driving Jetta is the one to get as it's got alot of low end torque which makes zipping in city a breeze. For highway driving all three cars are quite equal.

I suggest you test drive the M3 again, but this time push it harder and you'll see the car come to life.
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post Jul 28 2015, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(Amras of Nargothrond @ Jul 28 2015, 11:52 AM)
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vkool + solargard? I thought solargard is another brand?
No wonder so cheap.
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Solargard nt under d brand of vkool safety tinted? sweat.gif
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post Jul 28 2015, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(rockets @ Jul 28 2015, 07:45 PM)
Performace wise the Focus and Mazda3 is about the same. The difference is in the throttle curve. For the Mazda3 I'd say the first 50% of the fuel pedal is designed for fuel saving, so if you're looking for that feeling where you "step abit on the pedal and car zooms" type of deal you will be dissapointed. To turn on the Mazda3 power you have to step on the throttle quite deep. At MAX throttle the difference between the 2 cars are almost negligable.

I tested the Mazda3, Focus and Jetta quite abit before settling for the Mazda3. With the Focus I actually drove from KL to Ipoh in a friend's car. My conclusion is this, if you want power in the city driving Jetta is the one to get as it's got alot of low end torque which makes zipping in city a breeze. For highway driving all three cars are quite equal.

I suggest you test drive the M3 again, but this time push it harder and you'll see the car come to life.
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I agree the Jetta is fun to drive due to its excellent low end torque but too bad a VW is only for the brave and the pain tolerant now. I heard VGM is improving and the DSG issue is over but I've yet to be convinced. In 5 years time I may be ready to get a VW if VGM continues to improve.

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QUOTE(kluseng @ Jul 28 2015, 08:14 PM)
I agree the Jetta is fun to drive due to its excellent low end torque but too bad a VW is only for the brave and the pain tolerant now. I heard VGM is improving and the DSG issue is over but I've yet to be convinced. In 5 years time I may be ready to get a VW if VGM continues to improve.
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Yup that's why in the end I went for Mazda instead of VW. Not worth the trouble for abit better city driving experience as I'm not the type that race around in heavy traffic. One might argue the Mazda might even have advantage in city driving due to the Lane Departune Assist we have, as I can confidently zip around with it on and never have to worry about hitting someone in the blindside area.
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Hi, new owner here - Mazda 3 2015 GL. Just wan to ask, have you guy feel the car is continuous minor vibration/shaking when the car is not moving(engine started)? And cornering or parking, I can feel the steering is quite heavy. M3 service advisor has changed the pressure to 32>30 coz I complaint car is shaking when I drove 100-140. What is recommended tyre pressure? 205/16 Tyre. TQ

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QUOTE(fall2bull @ Jul 29 2015, 09:07 AM)
Hi, new owner here - Mazda 3 2015 GL. Just wan to ask, have you guy feel the car is continuous minor vibration/shaking when the car is not moving(engine started)? And cornering or parking, I can feel the steering is quite heavy. M3 service advisor  has changed the pressure to 32>30 coz I complaint car is shaking when I drove 100-140. What is recommended tyre pressure? 205/16 Tyre. TQ
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This is definitely not normal. I can't even feel any vibration in my car when idling. Car is also very smooth when driven at 100-140 km/h. When cornering or parking the steering should be light. I'm driving a Mazda 3 GL myself. The tyre pressure should be 36 - 40 psi depending on your passenger load (see label on driver door edge) but I don't think tyre pressure is your problem. You definitely need to pursue this with the SC until solved.


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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Jul 29 2015, 10:09 AM)
This is definitely not normal. I can't even feel any vibration in my car when idling. Car is also very smooth when driven at 100-140 km/h. When cornering or parking the steering should be light. I'm driving a Mazda 3 GL myself. The tyre pressure should be 36 - 40 psi depending on your passenger load (see label on driver door edge) but I don't think tyre pressure is your problem.  You definitely need to pursue this with the SC until solved.
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Hi bro,

Any advise for 18inch tyre pressure?

The car guide advise to inflate 250KPa that's around 36PSI but I feels that my ride is kinda bumpy and stiff..

Feels like releasing some air to make my ride feels more comfortable but afraid when my car bump into pot hole will damage my rims..
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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Jul 29 2015, 10:09 AM)
This is definitely not normal. I can't even feel any vibration in my car when idling. Car is also very smooth when driven at 100-140 km/h. When cornering or parking the steering should be light. I'm driving a Mazda 3 GL myself. The tyre pressure should be 36 - 40 psi depending on your passenger load (see label on driver door edge) but I don't think tyre pressure is your problem.  You definitely need to pursue this with the SC until solved.
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QUOTE(jimchan @ Jul 29 2015, 10:29 AM)
Hi bro,

Any advise for 18inch tyre pressure?

The car guide advise to inflate 250KPa that's around 36PSI but I feels that my ride is kinda bumpy and stiff..

Feels like releasing some air to make my ride feels more comfortable but afraid when my car bump into pot hole will damage my rims..
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TWO issues with higher tyre pressure:
1. high pressure is good for fuel consumption but bad for comfort.
2. pressure will increase a lot if u drive at high speeds under the hot Malaysian sun . remember air expands according to the temperature. if u pump 35 psi when cold, it will definitely increase to 40+ psi during high temps.

This post has been edited by sootienann: Jul 29 2015, 12:57 PM
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QUOTE(jimchan @ Jul 29 2015, 10:29 AM)
Hi bro,

Any advise for 18inch tyre pressure?

The car guide advise to inflate 250KPa that's around 36PSI but I feels that my ride is kinda bumpy and stiff..

Feels like releasing some air to make my ride feels more comfortable but afraid when my car bump into pot hole will damage my rims..
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Sorry bro, I'm not an expert on tyre pressure. But 18" rims is going to feel more bumpy and noisy on uneven roads compared to smaller rims that we are used to. You will also feel the potholes more.

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QUOTE(fall2bull @ Jul 29 2015, 09:07 AM)
Hi, new owner here - Mazda 3 2015 GL. Just wan to ask, have you guy feel the car is continuous minor vibration/shaking when the car is not moving(engine started)? And cornering or parking, I can feel the steering is quite heavy. M3 service advisor  has changed the pressure to 32>30 coz I complaint car is shaking when I drove 100-140. What is recommended tyre pressure? 205/16 Tyre. TQ
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regarding the steering, since i driving wira in previous, so i feel like my M3 is too light during parking, a little bit not use with it. if the car is shaking when hit 100-140, check the balancing.
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post Jul 29 2015, 11:32 AM

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Like I change my previous gen M2 from 45 to 50, 5mm different also feel less potholes smile.gif
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QUOTE(sootienann @ Jul 29 2015, 10:46 AM)
TWO  issues with higher tyre pressure:
1. high pressure is good for fuel consumption but bad for comfort.
2. pressure will increase a lot if u drive at high speeds under the hot Malaysian sun . remember air expands according to the temperature. if u pump 35 psi, it will definitely increase to 40+ psi during high temps.
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Great information.. Thanks man thumbup.gif

QUOTE(KennyKB @ Jul 29 2015, 11:02 AM)
Sorry bro, I'm not an expert on tyre pressure. But 18" rims is going to feel more bumpy and noisy on uneven roads compared to smaller rims that we are used to. You will also feel the potholes more.
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Yikes.. Coz last time my Vios running 15 inch and it feels more comfortable not that bumpy and stiff..

Still haven't used to the bumpiness and stiffness of this M3 lol rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(fall2bull @ Jul 29 2015, 09:07 AM)
Hi, new owner here - Mazda 3 2015 GL. Just wan to ask, have you guy feel the car is continuous minor vibration/shaking when the car is not moving(engine started)? And cornering or parking, I can feel the steering is quite heavy. M3 service advisor  has changed the pressure to 32>30 coz I complaint car is shaking when I drove 100-140. What is recommended tyre pressure? 205/16 Tyre. TQ
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I had that idle vibration when my car was new, it's gone now after 5000km. I think it's to do with the engine mounting being abit stiff while it's new. Once your car ages abit the vibration is no longer noticable, at least for me.

As for your tyres, 30 psi is way too low. The recommended psi for 16" is 36. Of course your steering feels heavy because you're under inflated.

The shaking at high speed is probably due to bad balancing and alignment. Mine wasn't perfect either, I brought mine to an alignment sifu and now the car is straight like a bullet and no shaking all the way to 200kph.



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