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MakcikLum
post May 28 2019, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(ulala2 @ May 27 2019, 05:48 PM)
If still within DLP period, should get developer to repair.
If DLP expired, then write to JMB/MC/Management Office and get them repair.

P/S: Building External facade is common property.
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Thanks for the reply, mine one is after DLP, if mgmt refuse to repair, argue the crack is from my toilet (inside) instead of from wall outside which caused the water sipping then how ?
My mgmt office is very lazy type of worker lar ... unsure.gif
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post May 28 2019, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(MakcikLum @ May 28 2019, 01:15 AM)
Thanks for the reply, mine one is after DLP, if mgmt refuse to repair, argue the crack is from my toilet (inside) instead of from wall outside which caused the water sipping then how ?
My mgmt office is very lazy type of worker lar ...  unsure.gif
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This is what i can think off:

1) as long as the water is entering into your unit from external facade, then it is considered as external facade defect. If Management Office (MO) argued, ask them show you the proof that the leakage is due to you instead of common property.

2) Alternative, write to JMB/MC/MO, cc to COB, if they still refuse to rectify u may file the case to tribunal to recover all your losses.


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post May 29 2019, 03:32 AM

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QUOTE(ulala2 @ May 28 2019, 10:21 AM)
This is what i can think off:

1) as long as the water is entering into your unit from external facade, then it is considered as external facade defect. If Management Office (MO) argued, ask them show you the proof that the leakage is due to you instead of common property.

2) Alternative, write to JMB/MC/MO, cc to COB, if they still refuse to rectify u may file the case to tribunal to recover all your losses.
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Thanks for the advise/ biggrin.gif
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post Jun 13 2019, 02:10 PM

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Question about making/amending additional by-laws:

I think 757 says that JMB/MC can make/amend additional by-laws by special resolution which needs 21 days' notice. Instead of convening an EGM, let's say an MC decides to propose additional by-laws at the AGM. So instead of 14 days notice, the MC will have to give 21 days' notice, right?

Assuming an owner wants to propose a by-law at that AGM, must he give 21 days' notice? OR can he use Rule 12(2) of the SMMMR  and write in "not less than seven days before the AGM" to propose a motion to adopt the additional by-law he drafted?


QUOTE(ulala2 @ Jun 13 2019, 12:39 PM)
I believed your above question is posted at the wrong thread, you should post it at https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3608743

Anyhow, i try my best to answer you.

1) If JMB/MC want to make new additional by-law, they need use special resolution and obtain majority vote in AGM/EGM.

2) If this is special resolution, u need to provide 21 day notices to all the proprietor. Meaning that, the Notice of AGM/EGM need to send out at least 21 days before the meeting date. Adding to that, the Notice of AGM/EGM must attached with the special resolution to list out all the proposed additional by-law, and this also as part of Agenda in the Notice of AGM/EGM.

3) Please take note that on Motion, Second Schedule, 13(1),
If you read carefully, IN THE AGENDA OF THE NEXT GENERAL MEETING. Means, u submit a motion in this AGM/EGM, will only discuss in the next AGM/EGM.

4) The additional by-law only can make by JMB/MC, not a single proprietor.

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1) & 2)
yup understand the requirements

3)
hehehe did not pay much attention to that "next" - good one tongue.gif

Say today I receive notice of this year's AGM to be held on 5 July 2019 ( at least 21 days notice). I take 1 week to draft my proposed by-law & on 20 June 2019, i send a notice under Second Schedule 13(1) asking them to include my proposal in the agenda of the 5 July AGM. Three scenarios:

A) Your interpretation
The jmb/mc says it cannot be done for 5/7/2019 AGM. TQ, but we will include it in 2020's AGM. Can? imho hmm.gif

B) What I think should happen
The jmb/mc puts up my proposal on the notice boards on 21 June 2019 ie notifies all proprietors of my proposal. Effectively giving other/all proprietors 14 days notice.

Come 5 July, the Chairman of the meeting informs that a notice was received from me. But he explains to the proprietors that it cannot be considered/voted on because the notice was only 14 days and not the 21 days necessary for a special resolution.

C) What i think can happen
The jmb/mc puts up my proposal on the notice boards on 21 June 2019 ie notifies all proprietors of my proposal. Effectively giving other/all proprietors 14 days notice.

Come 5 July, the Chairman allows voting on my additional by-law & the necessary majority of those present vote for it. After the AGM, the house rules are updated with my additional by-law.

The question then is the validity of the new by-law that I proposed via Second Schedule 13(1) AND as shown above, other proprietors were given only 14 days notice

Sifus, which scenario is the correct one? A, B or C? If C, my additional by-law valid or not?

4) Yes not by a single proprietor. But not by the jmb/mgt committee either. To be anal about it, 70(2) in 757 says the "management corporation" ie the legal entity comprising all proprietors smile.gif


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post Jun 13 2019, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(okuribito @ Jun 13 2019, 02:10 PM)
Transfer from https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=92966891
1) & 2)
yup understand the requirements

3)
hehehe did not pay much attention to that "next" - good one  tongue.gif

Say today I receive notice of this year's AGM to be held on 5 July 2019 ( at least 21 days notice). I take 1 week to draft my proposed by-law & on 20 June 2019, i send a notice under Second Schedule 13(1) asking them to include my proposal in the agenda of the 5 July AGM. Three scenarios:

A) Your interpretation
The jmb/mc says it cannot be done for 5/7/2019 AGM. TQ, but we will include it in 2020's AGM. Can? imho  hmm.gif

B) What I think should happen
The jmb/mc puts up my proposal on the notice boards on 21 June 2019 ie notifies all proprietors of my proposal. Effectively giving other/all proprietors 14 days notice.

Come 5 July, the Chairman of the meeting informs that a notice was received from me. But he explains to the proprietors that it cannot be considered/voted on because the notice was only 14 days and not the 21 days necessary for a special resolution.

C) What i think can happen
The jmb/mc puts up my proposal on the notice boards on 21 June 2019 ie notifies all proprietors of my proposal. Effectively giving other/all proprietors 14 days notice.

Come 5 July, the Chairman allows voting on my additional by-law & the necessary majority of those present vote for it. After the AGM, the house rules are updated with my additional by-law.

The question then is the validity of the new by-law that I proposed via Second Schedule 13(1)  AND as shown above, other proprietors were given only 14 days notice

4) Yes not by a single proprietor. But not by the jmb/mgt committee either. To be anal about it, 70(2) in 757 says the "management corporation" ie the legal entity comprising all proprietors  smile.gif
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Sifus, which scenario is the correct one? A, B or C? If C, my additional by-law valid or not?
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okuribito, none of your option will happen.

1) if the meeting to be held on 5/7/2019, 21 days from 5/7/2019 is 13/6/19.
2) if u submit on 20/6/19, which will be considered not a valid special resolution.
3) U is refer to u as JMB/MC or a single proprietor?? Only JMB/MC can make additional by-law, not a single proprietor.
4) u may need to discuss with JMB/MC during one of their regular meeting to table them ur proposed additional by-law, if they accept only to issue as special resolution and need to issue 21 days from the meeting date.

So assuming u are a normal proprietor, u drafted additional by-law, and would like to submit to JMB/MC to be consider in AGM/EGM.
Say meeting on 5/7/19, u submitted on 20/6/19, if i'm JMB/MC, i will say

"you cannot submit your draft additional by-law to be consider as special resolution, reason is u d't have that authority"
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post Jun 13 2019, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(ulala2 @ Jun 13 2019, 02:22 PM)
okuribito, none of your option will happen.

1) if the meeting to be held on 5/7/2019, 21 days from 5/7/2019 is 13/6/19.
2) if u submit on 20/6/19, which will be considered not a valid special resolution.
3) U is refer to u as JMB/MC or a single proprietor?? Only JMB/MC can make additional by-law, not a single proprietor.
4) u may need to discuss with JMB/MC during one of their regular meeting to table them ur proposed additional by-law, if they accept only to issue as special resolution and need to issue 21 days from the meeting date.

So assuming u are a normal proprietor, u drafted additional by-law, and would like to submit to JMB/MC to be consider in AGM/EGM.
Say meeting on 5/7/19, u submitted on 20/6/19, if i'm JMB/MC, i will say

"you cannot submit your draft additional by-law to be consider as special resolution, reason is u d't have that authority"
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rclxms.gif TQ ... u very well versed - u lawyer or have experience as jmb or mc member?
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post Jun 14 2019, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(okuribito @ Jun 13 2019, 02:33 PM)
rclxms.gif  TQ ... u very well versed - u lawyer or have experience as jmb or mc member?
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Attended some strata seminar and recently involving in all kind of issue pertaining to JMB/MC and strata title.
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post Aug 1 2019, 11:45 AM

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Hi,

I have questions regarding landed strata titles. Hope if anyone can help me clarify.

1) The JMB master policy of fire insurance only covers exterior/common areas only ? Or it includes the owner's property as well ?
If it includes common area as well as private area, wouldn't be the insured amount be higher if compared to buying own fire insurance?

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QUOTE(GIVEMEABREAK @ Aug 1 2019, 11:45 AM)
Hi,

I have questions regarding landed strata titles. Hope if anyone can help me clarify.

1) The JMB master policy of fire insurance only covers exterior/common areas only ? Or it includes the owner's property as well ?
If it includes common area as well as private area, wouldn't be the insured amount be higher if compared to buying own fire insurance?
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It covers the entire building worth, including individual unit.

Normally, the policy does mention how much the entire building is covered.

The worth of it normally done by independent licensed valuer.
If owner/JMB feel it is under insured, can engage insurance company to do the revaluation, they are happy to do it (as high coverage, higher premium biggrin.gif ).
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post Aug 1 2019, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 1 2019, 03:20 PM)
It covers the entire building worth, including individual unit.

Normally, the policy does mention how much the entire building is covered.

The worth of it normally done by independent licensed valuer.
If owner/JMB feel it is under insured, can engage insurance company to do the revaluation, they are happy to do it (as high coverage, higher premium  biggrin.gif ).
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Thanks for the reply, i was actually a bit skeptical because i thought the JMB fire insurance only covers common area like gym, swimming pool...etc

I have one more doubt, can the JMB insure the fire insurance policy to only cover the common area excluding your property ? Not sure if strata high rise and strata landed fire insurance policies can be different in terms of the coverage or it's a standard protocol...
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QUOTE(GIVEMEABREAK @ Aug 1 2019, 05:21 PM)
Thanks for the reply, i was actually a bit skeptical because i thought the JMB fire insurance only covers common area like gym, swimming pool...etc

I have one more doubt, can the JMB insure the fire insurance policy to only cover the common area excluding your property? Not sure if strata high rise and strata landed fire insurance policies can be different in terms of the coverage or it's a standard protocol...
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Should you skimp on this? I mean it's not a lot of money. Recently in one of the condos I know. The unit below caught on fire. Unit above tiles popped and they claimed.
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QUOTE(vckc @ Aug 1 2019, 05:28 PM)
Should you skimp on this? I mean it's not a lot of money. Recently in one of the condos I know. The unit below caught on fire. Unit above tiles popped and they claimed.
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FYI, if you read my earlier post i am talking about landed strata titles !
Besides that, i'm not being skimp here. My point is that the adequacy of the JMB insurance coverage and not sure what it covered.

It is prudent to take up additional coverage if the JMB insurance is not adequate and if necessary.
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post Aug 2 2019, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(GIVEMEABREAK @ Aug 2 2019, 09:05 AM)
FYI, if you read my earlier post i am talking about landed strata titles !
Besides that, i'm not being skimp here. My point is that the adequacy of the JMB insurance coverage and not sure what it covered.

It is prudent to take up additional coverage if the JMB insurance is not adequate and if necessary.
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Chill lah. Go clarify and ask with management then take up your own insurance if necessary. No point trying to find answers here.
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post Aug 2 2019, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(GIVEMEABREAK @ Aug 2 2019, 09:05 AM)
FYI, if you read my earlier post i am talking about landed strata titles !
Besides that, i'm not being skimp here. My point is that the adequacy of the JMB insurance coverage and not sure what it covered.

It is prudent to take up additional coverage if the JMB insurance is not adequate and if necessary.
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Check the insurance policy, they do state what is the coverage, and amount of it.

If JMB's insurance is covering it, buying additional may become redundant and waste of money only.

Previous post about covering entire building is about high rise one.
Personally has no experience deal with landed strata one.

Your loan bank is more worry than you if the house is not covered or not having adequate coverage.

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QUOTE(vckc @ Aug 2 2019, 10:59 AM)
Chill lah. Go clarify and ask with management then take up your own insurance if necessary. No point trying to find answers here.
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I am chill here.. lol

Actually i don't have any landed strata title, that's the reason i'm asking here if anyone has experience with it. If i do have one, obviously i ask the management my self. I came to know about this from somewhere i think (not sure where), then i was intrigued on the amount of insurance policy produced by the JMB

Just curious to know for knowledge purpose

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 2 2019, 11:19 AM)
Check the insurance policy, they do state what is the coverage, and amount of it.

If JMB's insurance is covering it, buying additional may become redundant and waste of money only.

Previous post about covering entire building is about high rise one.
Personally has no experience deal with landed strata one.

Your loan bank is more worry than you if the house is not covered or not having adequate coverage.
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Exactly, yeah it's quite rare to find info about landed strata titles...
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QUOTE(GIVEMEABREAK @ Aug 2 2019, 11:27 AM)
Exactly, yeah it's quite rare to find info about landed strata titles...
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Normally, JMB bought the fire insurance, and charge into or send extra copy together when sending you the maintenance fee.

How much you are paying for the insurance ?
Currently the house value how much?
How many total unit in the strata land?

A rough figure will more and less know whether it is covered entire properties.

You should get a copy of the policy as well. Just request from JMB.

There is no reason for JMB to under insure as the premium is not bounded by them, but owner.
They don't save a penny nor get any benefit by under insured.

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Dear Sifu's,

Need help to take down the MC and Property Management Company(MA) at my condo. The MC & MA have been in this place for over a decade and have wisely used the ACT 757 to hold on to power. The MA is in control of who comes into the MC and prevents outsiders to become an MC. MA canvasses for proxy from owners and places their employees as proxy to vote for their agenda and benefit. This condo is located in PD and majority of the owners are not resident. They are only about 50 concerned residents and the balance are either Singaporean or Malaysian owners who come here once in a while. The MA staff is the front end facing owners and have built a good relationship with many of the owners. Thus making it easier to get their proxies. The concerned owners are unable to get access to the parcel owner's list from the Mgmt Office thus its quite a task to build up the opposition camp.

What can I do to overthrow this tyrant? Any feedback will be appreciated and hopefully its a constructive feedback.

Admin, please delete and advice if this post is irrelevant.

Thank you in Advance.
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QUOTE(slyren00 @ Aug 23 2019, 01:04 AM)
Dear Sifu's,

Need help to take down the MC and Property Management Company(MA) at my condo. The MC & MA have been in this place for over a decade and have wisely used the ACT 757 to hold on to power. The MA is in control of who comes into the MC and prevents outsiders to become an MC. MA canvasses for proxy from owners and places their employees as proxy to vote for their agenda and benefit. This condo is located in PD and majority of the owners are not resident. They are only about 50 concerned residents and the balance are either Singaporean or Malaysian owners who come here once in a while. The MA staff is the front end facing owners and have built a good relationship with many of the owners. Thus making it easier to get their proxies. The concerned owners are unable to get access to the parcel owner's list from the Mgmt Office thus its quite a task to build up the opposition camp.

What can I do to overthrow this tyrant? Any feedback will be appreciated and hopefully its a constructive feedback.

Admin, please delete and advice if this post is irrelevant.

Thank you in Advance.
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The Act allows a person to be exco for no more than 2 terms, and normal committee member of 3 terms. I believe some being rotates in and out for a year.

And as according to the Act, there are three (3) ways to call for EGM. First is the JMB, secondly via COB and third, gather 1/4 total share units.


Before I conclude you should proceed as according to the Act, may I know what do you meant by "their agenda " and "benefits"? Is there any proof visibly which are against the Act? Please note that SMA is almost perfect, if not perfect for managing a stratified parcel. To get into MC, you need only 2 owners, one to propose, another seconder to your name.
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QUOTE(Yveatel @ Aug 23 2019, 09:59 AM)
The Act allows a person to be exco for no more than 2 terms, and normal committee member of 3 terms. I believe some being rotates in and out for a year.

And as according to the Act, there are three (3) ways to call for EGM. First is the JMB, secondly via COB and third, gather 1/4 total share units.
Before I conclude you should proceed as according to the Act, may I know what do you meant by "their agenda " and "benefits"? Is there any proof visibly which are against the Act? Please note that SMA is almost perfect, if not perfect for managing a stratified parcel. To get into MC, you need only 2 owners, one to propose, another seconder to your name.
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You are correct, the Property Mgmt Company(MA) is rotating the committee to enable his people are in the MC.

We did manage to get an EGM last year via COB; But the MA using the proxy still got the better of us. The MA has been in this condo for around a decade. Their office staff knows most of the parcel owners (old and new owners) and this enables them to Canvass for Proxy from a number of the parcel owners. Especially those living in Singapore. Many of these owners rarely come to the condo and am guessing for no better person to turn to, they trust the building manager, office staff and MC wholeheartedly. We have tried various ways to obtain their contact details but have not been totally successful. So far out of the 500 plus parcel owner's, we currently have around 80 in our group.

One of the owner took them to Tribunal Strata on the Proxy Manipulation but the court said only the "wronged" parcel owner can log a case. Based on the proxy forms which the MC & MA had to surrender to this owner; this owner found a number of manipulation from non-signed proxy forms to forms which was not written by the owner but by the office staff (based on handwriting). The MA with their canvassed proxy; passes resolution which benefit them such as:-

1) Contract extension for the MA (Contract is worth RM30k per month)
2) Resolution to bank in the sinking fund portion into account 2 once they have sufficient collection.
3) Prevent other owners from becoming an MC.

The MC intends to do a capital call for repainting and we are against it as this will put us into more debt. The MA states that we have RM5 Million in debt but has not done anything constructive to retrieve the payment from the defaulters.

Any suggestions or ideas will be of great help as we need to stop this group.

Thank you in advace.




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