Well Sonder is just a recently coined up definition by John Koenig in 2012. It's got nothing to do with asking anyone to accept people for the way they are or how to handle different opinions. It's basically to describe different people's life of various degrees, that's all. I mean it's not a new definition for sure because it's common sense.

Well, I need to remind you, Because this is Christian Fellowship thread? the Bible is the only Yardstick. If you have any intention to change Christian doctrine or to disrupt the very intention of Christian Fellowship, I will not allow it.

This thread was created for no other purpose, at least respect that.

p.s: Don't really care even if you bold the word "Question" and put it size 68, we are not threatened by any question of this world. There is nothing new I have not seen asked so typically. The Christian world is bigger than you or your questions. We are very well established because of the reality of God, not because we pretend to believe in God. Don't twist or put words into our mouth saying we are living by blind faith, it's stupid of you to assume that it is. You don't know our life.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 27 2015, 07:03 PM

I seriously feel like I'm on tumblr now XD

It's that bad in tumblr? lol.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 27 2015, 10:41 PM

Goodness. More misconceptions and errors that I will need to rectify. I will post them later. Got some backend stuff to settle.

And thanks for ignoring my post. I couldn't have expect anything more.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Aug 27 2015, 09:02 PM

Erm, don't think anyone is interested for that.

I mean if you refuse to keep to the harmony of this thread, Just like this fine example of your provocation, don't blame anyone if people start to ignore you.

And I'm asking nicely for the last time. Can you stop this?




This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 27 2015, 09:43 PM

There's one way, which is in your favour, and to the rest who will like to continue posting here without me "disrupting" the harmony of the thread.

The silent treatment. That is actually my biggest weakness, and I do not have any comebacks to that, simply because it is entrely within your right to do so, and that is something I cannot take away from you, nor do I have the right to do so.

So here's my proposal. Like how Sophiera did, ignore me completely. While I may not like being ignored, I hardly think that you guys even CARED in the first place.

So do it. I will response to your post later, so to discourage me to continue posting, just do the honours. Ignore me.

It's almost natural and predictable that it will eventually come to this, and I know this.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Aug 27 2015, 10:16 PM

Ed, you know you can open another thread about things you want to express without the need to disrupt our fellowship here.

I have to be a bit blunt though so don't feel offended.

There's a reason why I do it here instead of creating a new thread elsewhere.

Thank you for your kindness, but if I have to be stopped in what I am doing, I rather choose a life that is to be ignored by others (even by Christians), than to be misunderstood.

Best if you forget that I existed.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Aug 27 2015, 10:57 PM

But why must you do it here?

Dude, perhaps you need to take a holiday? I like to go on holiday, it stimulate my senses.

Geez dude, life is not that bad.

Too bad I don't have your life then.

And as promised, here goes:

Perhaps you forgot that it is a form of realization? Not only because it is within the realm of common sense, but it the the realm of common sense that we have conveniently filtered out from our minds in order to move on with our lives, effectively rendering the strangers around you to be as good as non-existent, like a wallpaper of people, but not really people. To experience sonder, is to realize that these people are not merely wallpapers, and that their lives are as complex and vivid as yours, hence making yourself humble, knowing that we do not know full well of the lives of others to be able to pass on any forms of judgements as conveniently as we once have.

And because there isn't a word like this in the dictionary to describe such a realization, the word sonder, has then be conceived so that we can finally realize and propagate its existence a little bit more, and with a little bit more meaningful than how we used to when such a word did not even exist before.

If you are indeed sincere about being bigger than the act of questioning, then you wouldn't have associated me with something that you may perceived as vile and unacceptable, you know, as the "disruption of harmony".

Here's my advice to you. I am obviously, and clearly not a threat. The faster and better that you can see this, then the least you can perceive me as the "threat".

Remember. I am but flesh and blood. I am not a supernatural enemy of any sort. So I can be defeated, and the difference between you and me? I do not fear being defeated. In fact, because I know full well that I do not necessarily know everything, I know for the fact that it is only a matter of time that I will be put in my place.

I can only hope that is also the same as you. I can accept being wrong. But can you? I suppose it will be unfair to ask you like that, because you are somewhat representing the entire hinges of the foundation of belief of the world's biggest religion.

And of course, I have also one weakness, remember? By ignoring me, I would not stand a chance against you. Against any of you. And that includes you, fellow readers.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Aug 28 2015, 03:49 PM

So what is your point Deadlock? You know this is a Christian fellowship thread. Its not RWI.

Nobody is against you. Get that through your stubborn head.

If you need advice, etc, I can PM you.

The rest is up to you.

This post has been edited by tinarhian: Aug 29 2015, 01:17 AM

Yes I did pray concerning you guys, I was waiting for God to respond to me, I didn't want to do this on my own wisdom and God indeed has spoken to me regarding some matters, deadlock including.


Give me time. For now I want to rest.

Thx deadlocks for sharing, allow me to borrow your reply. To readers here, allow me to share some points that GOD put in my heart: to experience sonder cannot replace GOD's wisdom. so the blue part represents mindset issues, but i have to admit without GOD helping me i can't describe what's missing.

my existence is to become a blessing in others, to invest in people. Therefore i need GOD's wisdom. Granted that GOD sometimes allow me to go to difficult times is as much for me to understand certain things. Experience sonder can give me empathy to other people with similar background, but it does not means more sonder = more solution to others.

1.
Don't let your lack of "experiencing sonder" belittle your CHRIST or belittle your identity. because we have GOD's wisdom. We can pray: "GOD, i see this problem A,B,C,D... don't have sonder enough so how to resolve ? kindly help and in JESUS name i pray: Amen".

2.
Don't let your lack of "experiencing sonder" giving you condemnation. A condemnation you are not humble enough. We have GOD's wisdom, or at least, we can pray: "GOD, help me on my blind-spots. I maybe look humble to others, but may look insecure to others which is not good, I maybe look convincing, but may look arrogant to others also not good, kindly help and in JESUS name i pray: Amen".

If we look humble to others, it's good
If we look insecure to others, most likely CHRIST will tell me: "hey: Beef-ed up your confidence little bit. You are MY son / daugher. Act like one !"
If we look convincing, it's good
If we look arrogant, most likely CHRIST will tell us: "that's arrogant. try to adjust this..this.. that..that..".

That 4 parts above, i have to adjust on event-basis, not day-to-day, not a fixed mindset either. I have to let GOD tune me, and sometimes experience sonder in the past needs to be ignored, because different level of prosperity commands different mindset, and previous sonder might be a stumbling block.

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It's obvious that many christian is not coming from church that experience sign and wonders on a regular basis. GOD's wisdom is part of sign and wonders actually. 99% churches in Malaysia does not have sign and wonders on regular basis, hence, maybe, just go to my thread WWJD to get GODly wisdom to generate sign and wonder on personal / family level.

God had given me 2 scripture passages concerning you specifically.

I'll leave them with you for you to read and contemplate.


Psalm 73 (NIV)
21 When my heart was grieved
and my spirit embittered,
22 I was senseless and ignorant;
I was a brute beast before you.


Luke 15 (NIV)
4 Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Doesn’t he leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it?
5 And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders
6 and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.
7 I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.

I believe what God is saying, He still loves you but you have wandered away and because of your bitterness, you became as what Psalms 73 says here. And Yet God is not willing to lose you, He will still seek you out.

what is best christian app for daily reading?

already months. are you now already repent?

I feel the Bible app is quite good. IOS though.

Bible Devotion with UW

Salvation is God's Right and Decision, not yours



Many people think that Salvation is central focused on the decision of Man. Meaning to say that we think we are the one who decides Salvation and thus becomes central focus of everything in trying to qualify God's Salvation. The Bible however says in John 1:12-13 Salvation is actually the decision of God. What this means is that, the central focus of Salvation is God's decision, as the one who qualifies you, not you.

So the next very important question to ask is, what is God's qualifying factor? This is very important to know, because the spirit of the Antichrist will stop at nothing in hindering anyone from receiving Christ or getting to know Him.

This pattern has been consistent since the beginning of time ever since Satan approached Adam and Eve to deceive them in trying to separate them from God. Have you noticed that sometimes it's so hard to read the Bible? Sometimes it's so hard to pray? Many times we allow excuses to come in to disrupt our walk with God? Whether you realize or not, these are the works of the AntiChrist. There is perfectly no reason why there should be any hindrance to do any of the above mention in the first place. But the fact that there is always just something that takes us away from God, is evident that the Devil's work is present and spiritual warfare is real.

So what is the qualifying factor, UW? The answer lies in the same passage itself and it is consistent throughout the Bible, there is no other qualification which is to:

BELIEVE. or Faith.

Read it carefully.

John 1:12-13 (ESV) - But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God

That's the qualification. It goes without saying. To receive Christ is to believe in Him. And upon your Faith, God gave the right.

I want you to stop right here and contemplate on this words.

God GAVE the right..to become children of God. What God is saying " I AM the one who says you are saved, it's my sovereign right, will and decision". Nothing comes clearer than that.
If God gave us the right to be saved, we are saved. Salvation has never been our right, initiated. I want all Christians here to understand this. Because if it was our right initiated, then Salvation would very be dependant on what we do. But if it is God's Right to grant us that, then it means it is his work and Salvation is dependant upon Him, in context, it is the work of Christ. (Ephesians 2:8-9)

Our Role is to step into it and remain in there by Faith, focusing our eyes on Christ alone and allow God to finish his work.

1 Thessalonians 5:24 (NIV) - The one who calls you is faithful, and he will do it.

Philippians 1:6 (NIV) - being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.


In the meantime, there will be growing period of ups and down. It's the process of growing to maturity in Salvation. We never lose it but will be more confident in God as the days goes by.

God Bless.

yes, rapture is coming on 14-9-2015 according to our fren. What can i do except repent