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 Working Life in Singapore, Please Share your value Experience

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cktwai
post Dec 12 2007, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(bbmars @ Dec 11 2007, 05:26 PM)
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Added on December 11, 2007, 5:52 pm

Month variable component ?  Not all companies following this practice, especially the smaller firms.  This was started by SG Gov and all Gov sector practice this.  During the last recession where many companies gone busted and some retrenched workers, some pay cut... which brought up alot of unhappiness among workers and thus affected their morale.  So the Gov decision was to introduce teh variable component where by it certain  % of your salary besides the fixed income will various according to how the company perform, during good times pay will be as usual.  However, during bad times, this variable component will the part of your salary that may be trimed to lower amount.  In this way, it becomes flexible and workers in the scheme are aware and won't feel the pinch and employer can declare when economy is bad.  Its more pyschological, mind game and companies adjsut accordingly rather than 1st thing, think of retrenching workers or PAY CUT, which is a bad name itself.

If you are new to the company which embraces this practice, you would hardly feel the crunch as you are already been told when you join.  Its the those existing staff will face the pressure switching from old to new switch, of course with adjustment before switching over.  Of course, not forgetting, the extra bonuses pay out during good times.  I am not sure how many private companies practices this.  But Gov related companies usually do.. like PSA, workers took quite a hefty cut and then last few years, due to good economy, they got something like 6-9 months bonuses pay back for standing along with the management, rather than choose retrenchement, which left them with no job and worse, like not able or even harder to find a job especially for older/elder workers, which is not a good solution..

Just some of the problems faced in the last recession, therefore, this variable component is something being look upon even by the west and EU... but... again.. I think only SG can implement such thing successfully.
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dude i heard got some big rally coming up.. not sure when but just heard as word of mouth from a friend.. aiks... you can still come Msia but stay at hotels in Selangor area and avoid city ? smile.gif


Added on December 12, 2007, 11:11 pm
QUOTE(darrenboy @ Dec 12 2007, 10:59 PM)
ok, understd what you're getting at. But let's find out from bbmars or anyone how is the return like for CPF ? How many % are the contributors getting annually? If it is huge, then leaving it at Sgp till our retirement, may be alright too. It depends.

So, does anyone know how much returns for CPF in the past?
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some employers pay back the CPF to staff working with employment passes smile.gif

This post has been edited by cktwai: Dec 12 2007, 11:11 PM
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post Dec 12 2007, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(darrenboy @ Dec 12 2007, 10:59 PM)
ok, understd what you're getting at. But let's find out from bbmars or anyone how is the return like for CPF ? How many % are the contributors getting annually? If it is huge, then leaving it at Sgp till our retirement, may be alright too. It depends.

So, does anyone know how much returns for CPF in the past?
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There are 3 accounts being allocated to; i.e. Ordinary Account (OA), Special Account (SA) and Medisave Account (MA) and their returns are 2.5%, 4% and 4%, respectively, IINM.

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post Dec 13 2007, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(shawnlst @ Dec 12 2007, 11:29 PM)
There are 3 accounts being allocated to; i.e. Ordinary Account (OA), Special Account (SA) and Medisave Account (MA) and their returns are 2.5%, 4% and 4%, respectively, IINM.
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Between 2.5% and 4% only? That's about the rate of only fixed deposit. Outrageous. Even our EPF pays better.

QUOTE(cktwai @ Dec 12 2007, 11:10 PM)
dude i heard got some big rally coming up.. not sure when but just heard as word of mouth from a friend.. aiks... you can still come Msia but stay at hotels in Selangor area and avoid city ? smile.gif


Added on December 12, 2007, 11:11 pm
some employers pay back the CPF to staff working with employment passes smile.gif
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pay back? You mean, instead of paying to CPF, the employer pays you direct?

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post Dec 13 2007, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(darrenboy @ Dec 13 2007, 09:08 AM)
Between 2.5% and 4% only? That's about the rate of only fixed deposit. Outrageous. Even our EPF pays better.
pay back? You mean, instead of paying to CPF, the employer pays you direct?
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Singapore FD does not pay you 2.5% till 4% per annum. FD in singapore only give you from 0.3 till 1% only( FD below 50k)
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post Dec 13 2007, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(darrenboy @ Dec 13 2007, 09:08 AM)
Between 2.5% and 4% only? That's about the rate of only fixed deposit. Outrageous. Even our EPF pays better.
pay back? You mean, instead of paying to CPF, the employer pays you direct?
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Yes, for those non-PR or non-Singaporean. There are arrangements for that, for example those working in Big4 audit firms receive the employer's CPF portion of 14.5%. That's alot, man!!
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post Dec 13 2007, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(shawnlst @ Dec 13 2007, 10:45 AM)
Yes, for those non-PR or non-Singaporean. There are arrangements for that, for example those working in Big4 audit firms receive the employer's CPF portion of 14.5%. That's alot, man!!
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well however there's a maximum the employer can pay back that CPF cry.gif
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post Dec 13 2007, 11:57 AM

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my employer din pay my CPF part now, the only hope is wait till get my PR only. But that time the salary will drop 20% cry.gif
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post Dec 13 2007, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(jimmy79 @ Dec 13 2007, 09:52 AM)
Singapore FD does not pay you 2.5% till 4% per annum. FD in singapore only give you from 0.3 till 1% only( FD below 50k)
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CPF should pay according to their investment returns. ie, if their investment get more, they should provide more dividends to their contributors. Isn't this suppose to be the way?

FD at 0.3-1% is too low. Might as well don't save. So, where do Sgporeans save then, if not FD?
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post Dec 13 2007, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(cktwai @ Dec 13 2007, 11:52 AM)
well however there's a maximum the employer can pay back that CPF  cry.gif
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Yea, cap at salary ceiling of S$4,500 per month. So max CPF you can get from employer is S$652.50 but still money is money whistling.gif
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post Dec 13 2007, 01:33 PM

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Mutualfunds investement or blue chips maybe? but is really too low compare to malaysia rates for both EPF and FD rates.. But still if convert back to Malaysia money it will be nearly the same...

or something came to my mind.. they invested in properties and rent for workers from overseas.. earn a lot leh..

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post Dec 13 2007, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(darrenboy @ Dec 12 2007, 10:59 PM)
ok, understd what you're getting at. But let's find out from bbmars or anyone how is the return like for CPF ? How many % are the contributors getting annually? If it is huge, then leaving it at Sgp till our retirement, may be alright too. It depends.

So, does anyone know how much returns for CPF in the past?
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CPF OA interest is 2.5%
CPF SA interest is 4%

You can choose to transfer OA $ into SA account but can't reverse back. SG Gov is changing the interst pay out increasing the OA account but lowering SA interest. Big changes in SG CPF interest... long story.. likely to back against the SG bond interest.. to be confirm later...


Added on December 13, 2007, 2:47 pm
QUOTE(jimmy79 @ Dec 13 2007, 11:57 AM)
my employer din pay my CPF part now,  the only hope is wait till get my PR only. But that time the salary will drop 20%  cry.gif
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Is that so that your salary will drop by 20%? True, you ended up contributing to your CPF account. Anyway, Save uup and maybe use it to invest in UT or stock.. to maximise gain. On the other hand, your employer will also have to pay you CPF contribution too.

The interest pay out is as according to SG market condition, so can't really compare in that sense. FD interest is low, Time deposit pays higher. and if you look around, there are fund managers offering CASH Fund with interest of> 2% depending on market condition with no time frame and minimum initial deposit is $1K. It will be good then to put what you eanr in SG into MY bank to maximise the gain. however, the flip side is the currency fluctuation and inflation.. No point having high interst rate when the inflation is equally high.. your money is worthless even if in huge amount

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post Dec 13 2007, 02:48 PM

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bbmars, I think the investment rate of CPF is disappointing. If that's the case, better invest back in EPF.

What about your office environment? are your colleagues helpful so far, Is there any politics or discrimation against Malaysians?

What about the working lifestyle there - is working hectic so far for Jimmy or Shawn or Washabushi?

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post Dec 13 2007, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(darrenboy @ Dec 13 2007, 02:48 PM)
bbmars, I think the investment rate of CPF is disappointing. If that's the case, better invest back in EPF.

What about your office environment? are your colleagues helpful so far, Is there any politics or discrimation against Malaysians?

What about the working lifestyle there - is working hectic so far for Jimmy or Shawn or Washabushi?
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I work in audit line and as you know, there are lots of deadlines... so kinda stressed most of the time when it's on peak period. But different industries may have different working lifestyle.

Working environment... well, so far so good as my team members are mostly M'sian + a few Singaporeans.
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post Dec 13 2007, 05:12 PM

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starting my new job in Singapore on 1st Feb, will be staying in Johor. take moto only go to Sg everyday.!

yay!
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post Dec 13 2007, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(darrenboy @ Dec 13 2007, 12:19 PM)
CPF should pay according to their investment returns. ie, if their investment get more, they should provide more dividends to their contributors. Isn't this suppose to be the way?

FD at 0.3-1% is too low. Might as well don't save. So, where do Sgporeans save then, if not FD?
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The CPF interest is not an investment interest, its garrante by SG Gov regardless of economy condition. just like a saving deposit. this rate will not change as the SG Gov do not withdraw your CPF for investment. What it does was to give interest to CPF account with the $$ earn from profit where Gov has invested, such as those of Teamsek and GIC, bring the profit back and give back to CPF. We have nothing to do with them even if they make loses as they do not touch our CPF, something which is the opposite of the MY Gov using EPF to invest.

Therefore, there is no risk involving the citizens saving for retirement. That has been the way and will still be the way. The only time when you loose is you invest your CPF and make loses which has nothing to do with them. This is what they explain why the CPF interest rate has been for years early this year during parliment sitting.

From a Singaporean point of view, I do not feel any different at all surrounding me, be it malaysians or whatever, or thing is, when someone begin to snake around, then people will start talking. I have malaysians, Indian, Seri Lankan, Mynmese, Nepalese, chinese, Australian, Canadian, etc... other ang moh.....all around me.. quite a diversify environement I would say. Even if we jsut acqaintances, there is the usual smile of acknowledgement. So lots depend on the industry you are in.. I don't really feel any different... and of course, we are aware of malays and the religion stuff, because we don't want to be label as bias, apart from that. Discrimination, be it little, but not about race. I can only speak from my perspective and my working environment past and present. I do believe its similar else where too.. Don't worry too much, lots have to do with your chemistry working with others and also understand the culture and practices.. do not assume SG & MY style the same and you will better understnad how we work whether you like or dislike the style, that's waht I can tell you.

I do not deny there might be to some extend, discrimination? or purely favourism at times, but its not about races boundary.. maybe there might be some... but most don't.. more like what is happening else where too.. people built up their own teams and stick with the team members.. so some times you see things not quite right. But where do you not find office politics? Even my current work place, question is how much and how you react to it. But definitely much better than one big organisation I came from. In fact, I don't indugle in them. My last company, not bad, some pressure and long hours with OT and no one stops you from working so long as you are productive, people happy working with each other, but don't tell me no deadline, else we all eating GREEN GRASS liao. Surely customer's demand and request needs to be satisfied. Current job, I must say, ok.. not bad, but then there will always be time when you don't see eye to eye what management think and their ideas and arguement to certain issues... so Bo Bian.. still got to do what.. they are the bosses... you are the worker...


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post Dec 14 2007, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(shawnlst @ Dec 13 2007, 02:59 PM)
I work in audit line and as you know, there are lots of deadlines... so kinda stressed most of the time when it's on peak period. But different industries may have different working lifestyle.

Working environment... well, so far so good as my team members are mostly M'sian + a few Singaporeans.
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hey which firm you at ? We may be working in the same firm !
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post Dec 14 2007, 11:12 AM

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wow so ngam got kaki there already
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post Dec 14 2007, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(porkchop @ Dec 14 2007, 11:12 AM)
wow so ngam got kaki there already
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post Dec 14 2007, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(cktwai @ Dec 14 2007, 09:13 AM)
hey which firm you at ? We may be working in the same firm !
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you guys are referring to external audit, right? external audit in Big 4 usually is good experience but very hectic esp. during peak season.



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cktwai you going to join which big 4 ?

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