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 TMnet confirms they are throttling P2P, CEO staff admits to P2P throttling

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post Nov 7 2006, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(DeaDLocK @ Nov 7 2006, 10:46 AM)
Yep, I know what I'm talking about. I can't get 320kb/sec sustained on a 2MB line, can I... wink.gif

Then maybe it is geographical. In my area, nothing is affected. Especially when I download from this particular server - six concurrent connections, and I max my bandwidth any time 24/7. If I started to see throttling I would cancel my account.
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I don't know what to conclude out of this. I am on corporate line with 5 fixed IP ranging from 69 XX to 219 xx and none of them makes any difference in terms of http or ftp dl. I could never get 320, max I ever did was 190 considering that my DSLAM is just on the border of 5km radius from where I am so that's fair enough. BT, as I've mentioned earlier is throttled 24/7 on all IPs.

So my fair guess is TM is throttlling area's by it's Streamyx user's density or in DeadLocK case he could be in an area with a brand new exchange and throttling is not implemented yet. Touch wood and cross your fingers DeadLocK blink.gif

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post Nov 7 2006, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(jayhan @ Nov 7 2006, 12:07 PM)
yesterday weird situation, line shuf be no prob, but dl speed <10kb [got seed shud hit nice speed easily], upload no problem >20kbps,

sunday dl speed no prob oso....

will check again today, after work
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brother, if you have plenty of seeds on your torrent and you are getting less then 10K for your download speed, then your line is throttled! what do you mean no problem?

to the people who wrote in here saying that they are throttled, have you guys complained to the moogles at tm*nut's custcare? if you have, then please tell us what they said to you.


Please use the edit button next time if you wish to add in additional information in order to keep the forum neat - hardyboyz888

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post Nov 7 2006, 12:31 PM

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Something to say to everyone, I think IP 60.51 is NOT THROTTLED!
Well, atleast I do think so, I managed to download full speed Galaxy Angelune anime with 8 seeds and about 20 peers.

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post Nov 7 2006, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(blindbox @ Nov 7 2006, 12:31 PM)
Something to say to everyone, I think IP 60.51 is NOT THROTTLED!
Well, atleast I do think so, I managed to download full speed Galaxy Angelune anime with 8 seeds and about 20 peers.
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ip range does not affect throttling. we all know this a long time ago. you may be one of the lucky ones who just got unthrottled. please tell us, what area you are from?
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post Nov 7 2006, 12:38 PM

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well, i got speed like 80-100kb here in cyberjaya. cyberjaya not throttled ?
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post Nov 7 2006, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(nwk @ Nov 7 2006, 12:36 PM)
ip range does not affect throttling. we all know this a long time ago. you may be one of the lucky ones who just got unthrottled. please tell us, what area you are from?
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Hmm.. lets see...... next to setiawangsa, Taman Keramat Permai. We call that area klang valley is it? Oh and btw, I have both 60.48 and 60.51, 60.48 loves to make mountain graphs, while 60.51 top all the way. I guess that's for me tongue.gif.
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post Nov 7 2006, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(ataris @ Nov 7 2006, 12:38 PM)
well, i got speed like 80-100kb here in cyberjaya. cyberjaya not throttled ?
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i know one guy in cyberjaya who is throttled for 2 months now. like i said before, you are one of the lucky ones who are not throttled. Some of us suspect that tm*nut is throttling by user accounts rather then by area. There are guys who are heavy BT users, find themselves throttled to high heaven. while on the other hand, guys who don't use BT so much, are not throttled.

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post Nov 7 2006, 12:56 PM

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i c i c. actually my account is barred. my fren borrow his dad office account or something like that. i think its the same with the standard 1mb, ip change everytime you dial but the speed is 2mb !! i checked on the modem page, download 2mb upload 512kb. cool huh ? is this type of account dont get throttled ?
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QUOTE(ataris @ Nov 7 2006, 12:56 PM)
i c i c. actually my account is barred. my fren borrow his dad office account or something like that. i think its the same with the standard 1mb, ip change everytime you dial but the speed is 2mb !! i checked on the modem page, download 2mb upload 512kb. cool huh ? is this type of account dont get throttled ?
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Please read stickied threads.
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post Nov 7 2006, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(blindbox @ Nov 7 2006, 12:31 PM)
Something to say to everyone, I think IP 60.51 is NOT THROTTLED!

I am on static 60.51.x.x and I am not throttled. Or not as far as I can tell (hardly use BT, but on my international HTTP and NNTP downloads, I max out my bandwidth).

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QUOTE(ataris @ Nov 7 2006, 12:56 PM)
i c i c. actually my account is barred. my fren borrow his dad office account or something like that. i think its the same with the standard 1mb, ip change everytime you dial but the speed is 2mb !! i checked on the modem page, download 2mb upload 512kb. cool huh ? is this type of account dont get throttled ?
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what do you mean your account is barred? you didn't pay your bills or what? 2mb accounts will also get throttled. there is no difference. the only accounts that are not supposed to be throttled are the enterprise and corporate accounts because these users pay a premium (very expensive) price for their lines every month.
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post Nov 7 2006, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(nwk @ Nov 7 2006, 12:03 PM)
if your download is stuck at 0 all the time. that could only mean one thing. you are throttled to high heaven. do you mind telling us what area you are in?
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My area Penang... sick ler like that! Does not get what I paid for, what's this man?
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post Nov 7 2006, 01:49 PM

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We refer to your complaint pertaining to the P2P issue to Consumer Forum
Malaysia (CFM).

Many thanks for writing your valuable feedback and inputs. We wish to assure you
that TM Net takes feedback from customers very seriously, especially when it
relates to the quality of our services. 

We would like to inform you that TM Net is currently performing some technical
trials on our network system as part of our efforts to continuously improve our
products and services.  Regretfully, the trial exercise may have resulted in
some customers experiencing some slowness in downloading and/or surfing the
Internet. We are fully aware of this and we have taken all the necessary steps
to expedite the completion of this trial exercise.

Rest assured, TM Net has also taken all the necessary steps to minimize similar
disruptions in the future.

On the matter of p2p, we would like to reiterate that the p2p throughput is
subject to peers (seed) availability and their throughput.  Please note that TM
Net does not have any control over peers availability / throughput. 

We wish to highlight that as an Internet Service Provider, TM Net only provides
Internet access and does not guarantee content delivery and performance where it
is not within the domain of TM Net. As a matter of policy, our international
traffic management is designed to cater for all our customers so they have the
optimal surfing experience within the normal limits of Internet usage.

As our priority is positive customer experience, we hope to highlight to
customers that it is important for them to practice responsible usage of the
allocated bandwidth based on normal usage. 

We would like to reiterate that we are not against the use of p2p but we would
like to take this opportunity to educate our customers that the usage of
excessive p2p does impact the overall service availability to other customers.

We wish to also highlight to customers that TM Net provides each subscriber with
an allocated bandwidth to which other subscribers may use the allocation when
not used by others.  Unfortunately, the nature of p2p more often than not, takes
more than the allocated bandwidth, thus causing undue setbacks for other users
when they want to use the service.

Please accept our sincere apologies for any inconvenience caused.  As a
responsible service provider, we believe it is our responsibility and commitment
to educate and encourage responsible usage of the available infrastructure.

Once again, thank you for your direct feedback, and most importantly for being
our valued customer.


Regards,
Afzan Abdullah
Rapid Response Team,CRM
TM Net Sdn Bhd
kinda lame already the excuses....maintainance and upgrading works kononnya
if they always upgrade and maintain i dun think there should be any problem wif streamyx and nobody would complaint....peaceful it would be...hehe
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post Nov 7 2006, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(nwk @ Nov 7 2006, 12:45 PM)
i know one guy in cyberjaya who is throttled for 2 months now. like i said before, you are one of the lucky ones who are not throttled. Some of us suspect that tm*nut is throttling by user accounts rather then by area. There are guys who are heavy BT users, find themselves throttled to high heaven. while on the other hand, guys who don't use BT so much, are not throttled.
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ya, this is what i guess.
Just go to TMPoint complain directly.
So sad, they know nothing about this throttle issue! Only said this is technical problem, no concern on them. My god! at least u should help to highlight to top management instead of saying know nothing!


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QUOTE(destiny6 @ Nov 7 2006, 01:49 PM)
kinda lame already the excuses....maintainance and upgrading works kononnya
if they always upgrade and maintain i dun think there should be any problem wif streamyx and nobody would complaint....peaceful it would be...hehe
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its a good story thou, but ain't tmnet is upgrading 24/7 tats mean the trial is forever. even they finish upgrade this, they will start upgrade that, a never ending story till our grandchildren is other ppl's grandpa, they may even still upgrading till 3030
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QUOTE(destiny6 @ Nov 7 2006, 01:49 PM)
kinda lame already the excuses....maintainance and upgrading works kononnya
if they always upgrade and maintain i dun think there should be any problem wif streamyx and nobody would complaint....peaceful it would be...hehe
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that's the same lame excuse they gave me and many other users here when we first complained to them. you should taruh them some more and complain to cfm again by telling cfm that you are not satisfied with their lame excuse because you are not getting the speed you are paying for!
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QUOTE(Mike3300 @ Nov 7 2006, 01:44 PM)
My area Penang... sick ler like that! Does not get what I paid for, what's this man?
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it means you are throttled but i wonder why you are being throttled when i read in other thread that there are many users in penang who are not throttled. are you a heavy BT user before you were throttled?
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post Nov 7 2006, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(nwk @ Nov 7 2006, 02:12 PM)
it means you are throttled but i wonder why you are being throttled when i read in other thread that there are many users in penang who are not throttled. are you a heavy BT user before you were throttled?
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Bukit Mertajam, Penang user here....
mine still haven't got throttled.......last time not heavy BT user, nw frequently BT, but not 24/7 maybe 6-10hr per day............ sweat.gif
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QUOTE(nwk @ Nov 7 2006, 02:12 PM)
it means you are throttled but i wonder why you are being throttled when i read in other thread that there are many users in penang who are not throttled. are you a heavy BT user before you were throttled?
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QUOTE(evilhomura89 @ Nov 7 2006, 02:23 PM)
Bukit Mertajam, Penang user here....
mine still haven't got throttled.......last time not heavy BT user, nw frequently BT, but not 24/7 maybe 6-10hr per day............ sweat.gif
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Maybe the direct server got problem la, my download now seems fine and working... sweat.gif

Not heavy downloader la... Darkmage12 is...hehe

Less than 500MB per week....me ler.

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We wish to also highlight to customers that TM Net provides each subscriber with
an allocated bandwidth to which other subscribers may use the allocation when
not used by others.  Unfortunately, the nature of p2p more often than not, takes
more than the allocated bandwidth, thus causing undue setbacks for other users
when they want to use the service.
In other words, a 512 kbps connection is shared among 10 users so when 9 of them are not using only then you'll get full 512 kbps speed. mad.gif

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