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ck.chunkeat
post Apr 27 2015, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(justnits @ Apr 27 2015, 05:33 PM)
you are correct about the spring having to be of a certain weight to be able to push the stem and keycaps right back up.
but i used 62g spring for it, the spring force should be able to sprung the stem back up without any issue.
but because the mx clear i have was harvested from an old cherry board, i noticed quite a lot of the switch housing has dents on it, indicating that something heavy has been placed on top of the board. probably the boards are stacked up on each other before it was shipped to me.

i suspect that because of that, the housing might have internal damage to it, as in the "copper leaf" thing inside the switch, might have been bended more than it should, thus affecting the pressing and depressing of the switch.

probably the easiest way is to change housing altogether sweat.gif
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Oh, then maybe get some spare housing to swap with the problematic housings?

Anyway, is Varmilo brand same company with leopold? I know that varmilo do have keyboards with gateron switch but i can only find them on massdrop, can't find the varmilo with gateron switch on taobao. There's only varmilo with cherry switch. Good thing about this varmilo i guess is that they use pbt keycaps, thats why it cost about rm350-400.
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post Apr 27 2015, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(zennasyndroxx @ Apr 27 2015, 12:47 PM)
for mxclears i've used geekhackers thick lube kit and it's fine. sometimes i miss unlubed clears too
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this, i lubed my clears last year with the thick formula and it still feels very smooth.
I've only used like 1/3 of it for my FaceW and little for the stabs.
I'd probably do something with it this summer.

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post Apr 27 2015, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(ck.chunkeat @ Apr 27 2015, 05:40 PM)
Oh, then maybe get some spare housing to swap with the problematic housings?

Anyway, is Varmilo brand same company with leopold? I know that varmilo do have keyboards with gateron switch but i can only find them on massdrop, can't find the varmilo with gateron switch on taobao. There's only varmilo with cherry switch. Good thing about this varmilo i guess is that they use pbt keycaps, thats why it cost about rm350-400.
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i could change some of the problematic ones, but then, i'm not sure about the ocd in me laugh.gif
i mean i could replace the whole switches on my ergo dox, but problem is finding time to do it and finding the right lube to go with.

not too sure about varmilo's rship with leopold, but that legend on their keycaps....you can accept?
also, quite expensive for a MX-compatible switch keyboard.
i'd rather get a ducky or cm qfr-i with that price.

QUOTE(joonwei23 @ Apr 27 2015, 05:42 PM)
this, i lubed my clears last year with the thick formula and it still feels very smooth.
I've only used like 1/3 of it for my FaceW and little for the stabs.
I'd probably do something with it this summer.
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when you say smooth, do you mean that the tactility reduces a lot?
what springs were you using with mx clear?
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post Apr 27 2015, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(ck.chunkeat @ Apr 27 2015, 05:14 PM)
Thanks for the rough estimation.

Hmm, I think I wouldn't use stickers,leds etc. Is acrylic case cheaper than aluminium case? But then it will still be very expensive.
I was thinking of getting a ready made stock keyboard one but I wanted to use gateron switches. Or should I find some chinese keyboards which uses gateron switch?
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bro the cost not that high

you can get pcb,stabs,gateron switches for Rm223
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r....ucket=19#detail

than case like poker 2 plastic for rm23
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1...bd-f139b354dd69

plate for rm68
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1...&id=41523448564

since you dont need sticker ,led ,lube
joonwei23
post Apr 27 2015, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(justnits @ Apr 27 2015, 06:06 PM)
when you say smooth, do you mean that the tactility reduces a lot?
what springs were you using with mx clear?
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62g, It still feels tactile but unlike browns, the scratchiness isn't there.
I might lube the mx browns on my ducky tho lol. Don't know what to do with the remaining lube. sweat.gif

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post Apr 27 2015, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(cloud8992 @ Apr 27 2015, 06:13 PM)
bro the cost not that high

you can get pcb,stabs,gateron switches for Rm223
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r....ucket=19#detail

than case like poker 2 plastic for rm23
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1...bd-f139b354dd69

plate for rm68
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1...&id=41523448564

since you dont need sticker ,led ,lube
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Wow, thanks alot. I've tried searching in taobao, but guess i don't know the keywords to find what i want. tongue.gif

May I know what is 阳极板套装? and the rm223 is it including leds?
Also, the seller said that it is up to us whether to use a plate or not. Does that mean I can actually use the switch on the PCB straight away? then it's considered as pcb mount?
What's the main difference between pcb mount and plate mount again?I'm assuming that there is a difference in the plate mount being more sturdy compared to pcb mount.

ok, after some googling, i found out that's the case. Solder the switch without plate= pcb mount. Main difference being plate mount is more sturdy.

So is it recommended to go with plate or without plate? Considering that I don't actually bottom out that often.



This post has been edited by ck.chunkeat: Apr 27 2015, 06:47 PM
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post Apr 27 2015, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(ck.chunkeat @ Apr 27 2015, 06:33 PM)
Wow, thanks alot. I've tried searching in taobao, but guess i don't know the keywords to find what i want. tongue.gif

May I know what is 阳极板套装? and the rm223 is it including leds?
Also, the seller said that it is up to us whether to use a plate or not. Does that mean I can actually use the switch on the PCB straight away? then it's considered as pcb mount?
What's the main difference between pcb mount and plate mount again?I'm assuming that there is a difference in the plate mount being more sturdy compared to pcb mount.

ok, after some googling, i found out that's the case. Solder the switch without plate= pcb mount. Main difference being plate mount is more sturdy.

So is it recommended to go with plate or without plate? Considering that I don't actually bottom out that often.
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it does not comes with led so you have to purchase if you want .
as for plate is very important feels a lot better having them.
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post Apr 27 2015, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(ck.chunkeat @ Apr 27 2015, 06:33 PM)
Wow, thanks alot. I've tried searching in taobao, but guess i don't know the keywords to find what i want. tongue.gif

May I know what is 阳极板套装? and the rm223 is it including leds?
Also, the seller said that it is up to us whether to use a plate or not. Does that mean I can actually use the switch on the PCB straight away? then it's considered as pcb mount?
What's the main difference between pcb mount and plate mount again?I'm assuming that there is a difference in the plate mount being more sturdy compared to pcb mount.

ok, after some googling, i found out that's the case. Solder the switch without plate= pcb mount. Main difference being plate mount is more sturdy.

So is it recommended to go with plate or without plate? Considering that I don't actually bottom out that often.
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If you don't bottom out that much, plateless is fine.
tbh, I think using linear switches w/o plate feels better not that I've tried it yet.
and if you're into swapping out switches, pcb mount allows you to swap w/o desoldering, just add sip sockets if you would want to change leds as well.

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post Apr 27 2015, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(cloud8992 @ Apr 27 2015, 06:39 PM)
it does not comes with led so you have to purchase if you want .
as for plate is very important feels a lot better having them.
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I actually think it includes led.

QUOTE(joonwei23 @ Apr 27 2015, 06:41 PM)
If you don't bottom out that much, plateless is fine.
tbh, I think using linear switches w/o plate feels better not that I've tried it yet.
and if you're into swapping out switches, pcb mount allows you to swap w/o desoldering, just add sip sockets if you would want to change leds as well.
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Yea, I notice that the seller mention that he prefer to use cherry mx red with pcb mount as the combination will give a very unique soft feel. An even better setup that he uses for gaming is mx black with mx red as left shift and ctrl pcb mounted.

Ok, So i've just googled and looked at the seller's information.
Correct me if I'm wrong, PCB, stabilizer, gateron switches ,led and the plate =RM223.
PCB,stabilizer ,led and gateron switch, RM160.
PCB+stabilizer, it is RM109.
PCB only, RM102.
Plate only is Rm68

Clone poker 2 case is Rm23, ori poker 2 plastic case is rm45, aluminium case is Rm200.
That is a very interesting price. biggrin.gif


If I were to get without plate, I might be able to get it for less than Rm 200 including case.

Not sure whether it comes with diodes tho, as I don't know what is diode in chinese. tongue.gif
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post Apr 27 2015, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(ck.chunkeat @ Apr 27 2015, 06:51 PM)
I actually think it includes led.
Yea, I notice that the seller mention that he prefer to use cherry mx red with pcb mount as the combination will give a very unique soft feel. An even better setup that he uses for gaming is mx black with mx red as left shift and ctrl pcb mounted.

Ok, So i've just googled and looked at the seller's information.
Correct me if I'm wrong,  PCB, stabilizer, gateron switches ,led and the plate =RM223.
PCB,stabilizer ,led and gateron switch, RM160.
PCB+stabilizer, it is RM109.
PCB only, RM102.
Plate only is Rm68

Clone poker 2 case is Rm23, ori poker 2 plastic case is rm45, aluminium case is Rm200.
That is a very interesting price. biggrin.gif
If I were to get without plate, I might be able to get it for less than Rm 200 including case.

Not sure whether it comes with diodes tho, as I don't know what is diode in chinese. tongue.gif
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diode and resistor is build in
ck.chunkeat
post Apr 27 2015, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(cloud8992 @ Apr 27 2015, 06:58 PM)
diode and resistor is build in
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OH! now that you mention, I just noticed that he used surface mount resistors and diodes. No wonder I can't see them, they were so small. sweat.gif
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post Apr 27 2015, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(ck.chunkeat @ Apr 27 2015, 07:02 PM)
OH! now that you mention, I just noticed that he used surface mount resistors and diodes. No wonder I can't see them, they were so small.  sweat.gif
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here is a finish build by dadudeneverabides
https://imgur.com/a/WfmHW
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post Apr 27 2015, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(cloud8992 @ Apr 27 2015, 07:29 PM)
here is a finish build by dadudeneverabides
https://imgur.com/a/WfmHW
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Thanks for the link. smile.gif
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post Apr 27 2015, 07:59 PM

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Guys I'm going to LYP this weekend for testing Switches . Any recommendation shop to test ?

( I tried blue switch but it isn't my stuff then i tried brown but it was cover by plastic so ... I unable to test the 100% feedback of it )
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ClickityQuack
post Apr 27 2015, 08:37 PM

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Anyone else wanna get a KeyChatter soft case? whistling.gif

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/keychatter-sof...mode=guest_open
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post Apr 27 2015, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(ck.chunkeat @ Apr 27 2015, 05:14 PM)
Thanks for the rough estimation.

Hmm, I think I wouldn't use stickers,leds etc. Is acrylic case cheaper than aluminium case? But then it will still be very expensive.
I was thinking of getting a ready made stock keyboard one but I wanted to use gateron switches. Or should I find some chinese keyboards which uses gateron switch?
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Mmm if you're not gonna lube, sticker etc, i don't see any point in spending way more for a custom board. If i'm on a tight budget i'd get a cheap stock china board with gaterons instead.

*Just saw cloud posted the poker 2 casing alternative. You'll definitely save alot going with that case. But then again, don't forget you need a set of keycaps. Pok3r comes with aluminium casing and pbt keycaps you might want to consider that.

This post has been edited by justordinary: Apr 27 2015, 09:42 PM
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post Apr 27 2015, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(justordinary @ Apr 27 2015, 09:27 PM)
Mmm if you're not gonna lube, sticker etc, i don't see any point in spending way more for a custom board. If i'm on a tight budget i'd get a cheap stock china board with gaterons instead.

*Just saw cloud posted the poker 2 casing alternative. You'll definitely save alot going with that case. But then again, don't forget you need a set of keycaps. Pok3r comes with aluminium casing and pbt keycaps you might want to consider that.
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Yes but I can't really find and don't know how to find cheap stock keyboards with gateron switches.
Yea, the poker 2 that cloud posted will only cost less than rm200. And yes, I have a spare set of keycaps laying around.

pok3r is interesting but it is out of my budget for now as I just want a simple to use mech keyboard which is portable and I can bring it with me when I go elsewhere. I come back home every weekend and it's tiring to keep bringing my keyboard to and fro every week. Not to mention when I want to camp uni whole day to do my coursework, I wouldn't want to bring my tkl there. sweat.gif

Besides, I have the choice to lube/sticker in the future if gateron is really my cup of tea. biggrin.gif

This post has been edited by ck.chunkeat: Apr 27 2015, 10:08 PM
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post Apr 27 2015, 10:03 PM

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Poker 2 vs Custom:

- No custom switches.
- Boring LED choices, with normal rounded LEDs too.
- No custom layout.
- If getting better caps (duh!) wasted one set of PBT caps.
- [not for pok3r] Normal plastic case which is bad for MX Blues sound travel.
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post Apr 27 2015, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(dadudeneverabides @ Apr 27 2015, 10:03 PM)
Poker 2 vs Custom:

- No custom switches.
- Boring LED choices, with normal rounded LEDs too.
- No custom layout.
- If getting better caps (duh!) wasted one set of PBT caps.
- [not for pok3r] Normal plastic case which is bad for MX Blues sound travel.
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Hmm, a few good points you bring up there, sifu. smile.gif
Custom layout is definitely welcomed, and poker 2 kinda defeats my purpose of trying out gaterons too. tongue.gif

Leds aren't for me. I can live without it.

If i really want to get a alu case, I can always buy it and change it since the plastic case is only rm20+.

Btw, what's your comment about linear switches on pcb mounting? Are there any special feel from it?

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