KUALA LUMPUR, March 17, 2015:

Around 850 jobs could be at stake at Shell offices in Cyberjaya as the Anglo-Dutch oil major consolidates its IT functions at a new base in Bangalore, India.

While no decision has yet been made, a senior officer dropped this bombshell during a town hall meeting with staff in Cyberjaya late last month, said sources.

The Bangalore move could also affect some 1,000 third party contractors if they are unable to relocate to India, the sources said.

The Shell Technology Centre Bangalore (STCB) is to be one of the three global hubs for technology, after Houston and Amsterdam for the energy group.

“By the end of 2010, STCB employed around 700 professionals and has plans to grow to about 1,500 in the near future. Recruitment at STCB is currently focused on graduates in India and experienced Indian professionals,” Shell Global said at its website.

Given this focus, chances are staff now employed at Cyberjaya may find it difficult to be relocated to India, said the sources, and will probably have to look for new jobs here.

A Shell company spokesperson here said: “Shell recently announced the strategic intention to create an in-house global information technology centre in Bangalore. India.

“This is part of a review of the company’s global IT projects and selected operations support capability that places greater emphasis on delivering projects in-house.”

Asked about the possible job losses at Cyberjaya, the spokesperson said: “We anticipate no direct impact to Shell staff in Malaysia during 2015 as a result of this proposed change. The project is at an early stage of development.

“Given our strategic intent, however, it is expected that there is likely to be staff impact as a result of this activity. We do not yet know the extent of this impact.

“We will share details when they become available with staff and their representative bodies, where appropriate.”

The spokesperson added: “Shell has been in Malaysia for over 100 years and we believe there are still many opportunities for Shell in Malaysia.

“Shell has no plan to close our Cyberjaya business operations centre. IT is just one of the functions based there.

“The centre also provides valuable human resources, finance, distribution, communications production services, global commercial and contracting and procurement support to Shell’s global operations.

“We continue to look for ways to migrate higher value work to our Cyberjaya Business Operations centre from our global operations.”



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Oh dear. We should be thankful with current job that we have right now. Cukurlah dengan apa yang ada. Tough time ahead for O&G industry be it Upstream, Downstream or any related businesses such as RPO/BPO/Shared Services to O&G.

There's no Shell staffs in Cyberjaya to begin with.
HP staffs to be exact.

Know before talk man....

Shell still around if you aware...the building is next to IBM/Experian/AT&T
Still a number of shell staff...with a bigger number of contractor staff...
All those AT&T/T-sys/HP staffs supporting it already working from each company office ad...

Using Shell indicator but paid by HP

HP also a failed company.

I thought HP Shell account bungkus long time dy. Only left with T-Systems and AT&T with a few smaller contractors.

This post has been edited by EightPhantomz: Mar 18 2015, 09:32 AM

dude, u need to know this place exists...
https://plus.google.com/1122204684138782211...out?gl=my&hl=en
There are still Shell staffs....not just those contract staff from HP/ATT/TS who work for them...

HP belum bungkus, but moved a few roles/teams to India ad...
basically "align" with customer's vision

As said, the name is there, but owned by others.
Moving a person from 1 to another country is like forcing a person to resign by their own

I can't believe there's so much ignorant people speculating and making assumptions.

After selling and outsourced to AT&T, T-System and HP. There are still a lot of Shell permanent staff working in SBSC. The plan has been announced 5 yrs back and hence the freeze of hiring of perm staff.

There are a lot of Shell perms that will be affected but shell has plans for them for internal recruitment into different departments

Yup, you are right, like sending a west Malaysia people going to East Malaysia with minimal allowance
More to come from Royal Dutch, this is just the beginning
Not to mention few years back they sold the HQ office.

This post has been edited by supersound: Mar 18 2015, 01:35 PM

Well at least the shell staff don't need to worry jobless. The vss is very good and relocation package is good too. Lutong still has a lot of vacancies.

Are they giving VSS? In your dreams maybe. Nowadays Shell don't play with this rubbish.

Relax... why so worked up.

Y u hate shell so much?

Hate? Never, is just hat they are not like last time generous when treating their staffs.
Just see how many refineries sold and what happen to the employees inside.

Bawak bertenang bro.

heard they do give VSS....rumor only la for now

You should know that what they doing now is still better than how the market treat it's employee. Even if they terminate u they still give u options. Btw, only the IT folks got retrenched. It's good news because IT ppl always wanted to join the OU. Now they can decide to make the switch now.

Yeah right......i'm a Shell staff in Cyberjaya, at the moment la.....

i heard there is this redundant scheme.....but don't expect so much

Yeah....don't understand why they prefer to sold the assets to save cost and improve cash flow but on the other hand spend unnecessary fund for HSSE and some rubbish crapz
pity those from SRC, Geelong, etc....

SRC is still there what
Why, they want to sell also? that's interesting.

I think Shell Malaysia Trading and other Shell companies in Malaysia is not doing well the last 3 years.
I estimated up to 10% reduction in their downstream fuel and lub business. With the global slump in oil prices, their once
money machine upstream business will also be greatly affected in the next 5 years where oil prices will go down to as low
as USD35/barrel for prolong period. it is inevitable that they need to cut cost and find the best brain in their IT centre doing mainly Enterprise Resource Planning Work.

sorry i read wrongly...old email from comm, structured reviewed only...
but hei....you won't know right?

I'm not Shell employee how do I know?

i mean....u won't know Shell will start kantoi their staff in future....
currently we are downsizing and hopefully i can still keep my job till end of this year at current bad economic times

An O&G company with so many staffs that doing things not related to O&G. No wonder they failed.

not only downstream affected, upstream people all takut now, with PSC expiring looming over in next 2 months.
with all the funny paperwork creeping up (managing safety kunun) even less time to actually do the necessary work
come new person, implement new system & we have to comply bla bla bla..then the cycle repeats again.

Lets be prepared for the worst, I have a bleak outlook for O & G sector in specific and Malaysia business in general.
Shell Retail business has also been bad for many years. NGV vehicles are here and electric cars will also emerge soon.

What SRC said in the letter is to close the refinery and turn it into only storage if refining margin and sales drop, that would
means the capacity is less than 80% and every barrel of crude oil SRC refine end up in loss. The cost reduction SRC mentioned
means the marketing and business support side, then comes the assets sales (like unused equipment and unprofitable Petrol
stations) then refining operation. If you are non technical staff, like the business mgmt side you are vulnerable.

Health, Safety, Security and the Environment HSSE is needed to show the managers are at work in a otherwise
very quiet / little new work then just doing the routines.

This post has been edited by 2malaysia: Mar 18 2015, 11:32 PM

I never work in MNC like Shell but some of these Shell people I meet always are only confine themselves with
very limited scope of work. I think they have a very specific skills which I find hard to understand in terms of
getting the ultimate job done or saving time.

I think managing people is what all these paperwork is about. How to make the staff work safer, given the higer
knowledge and skills of Shell staff, how to make them actually work for the company and not on other things like
doing things the staff like to do etc..

ya i know the importance of safety, as they always said safety is their top priority.
doing safety audits regularly together with normal operational reporting is fine...but as you said, managers have nothing to do so they impose a new way of managing safety & imposing them to the operations people which mostly are occupied with their routine of keeping the plant running safely.

actually those 'shell' staff only exist in facebook. Their own company throw them out, but in facebook still loyal to Shell eventhough paycheck is from HP

i also heard that when HP decided to cut the bullshit with these staff, they wanted to mogok and find lawyer to sue HP

how stupid can these morons be. Shell already throw them out, and they dare to fight the hand that feeds


serve them right!

So, the end of high paying O&G jobs are here?
I heard BP retrenched a lot people in their bangsar south office also right?

How about Petronas, Petron and Esso Mobil? Any bad news so far?

Well, what you can expect from them? Join only already getting rm7000-9000, 800 staffs, with average of rm15000 per person, you do the maths. Selling O&G products or IT company

Most likely, if the price don't return back to 70.
Petron are going to expand, so unlikely. ESSO Mobil already history, so staffs in KL are waiting for time.
Petronas sure won't, since 95% are Malays. It is more on securing votes during GE, same like MAS.

i heard that BASF and Colgate SC also retrench a lot people?

BASF-PETRONAS Chemicals only downscale its Shared Service division at KL, not for its plant operation at Gebeng.

Why Colgate retrenched? My ex colleagues all said Colgate is retirement place wor!

Nowadays no job are secured, except those are cheating to earn a living field like insurance, property, fund agents

Wow. I hope I never meet or become a person like supersound. Such an angry, pessimistic, hateful person

Haiz, Malaysia everyday retrench people. Last time during the Shell big restructuring, lots of their IT staff move to PETRONAS, exxon, BHP etc. Now those companies also freeze hiring and are also starting their retrenchment programs, where these 850 staff gonna go now?

I suppose this initiative will only affect the IT Function, not others in SBSC?

Should be. Mostly affected is the SAP folks there. Used to be high paid SAP consultants, now become jobless SAP consultants. This will further drop the SAP market rates.

They can go India

Without SAP, people still can work

Just back from breakfast with some old friends in the industry who has gone to management role.
Apparently some of the MNC top management are talking about moving to cloud. Their ultimate goal is to have the Analyst sit in NL or UK, and the application+infra is supported and maintained by someone else (currently india). don't be surprise 5 yrs later they announce closure of the india center and outsource everything back to SAP germany, to be hosted on the cloud. i am talking about 2 O&G company here (insider news so i cannot reveal much)

Salary in India are very cheap

No, there were concerns with the Quality. They wont simply outsource just because it is cheap, the management have thought of all factors. Apparently India is only an interim transition, while waiting for SAP to finalize on the Cloud hosting infra and agreement. The contract for the India center is only 10 years I heard.

You know why Middle East countries after their local the second most is Indians
Why they like them
Is because they are yes men.
Help desk job is a standard job, they only do according to it, nothing more but always can perform lesser.
So, since it is stated in procedures, you don't need highly skilled person to do the job.
Quality of job are out of topic for them.

This is just beginning, gradually companies are moving out to seek cheaper alternative (in this case obviously India will be the top choice). This is sad fact of shared service industry. The intention of course was noble, to equip local with right knowledge and skills so perhaps one day we can stand on our own. For instance, freelancing, entrepreneurship etc etc. At some degree, I can see this is actually happening especially in SAP. We just have to embrace the change and be competitive in order to survive. In SAP's case, with introduction of HANA Enterprise Cloud, more and more skilled jobs are being reduced. When technology is becoming efficient, job opportunity is becoming competitive (hence high pay). The pie is getting smaller.

please enlighten us on HANA Enterprise Cloud. I thought currently already have the SAP Cloud ERP?

by mentioning NL and UK i think most ppl already have a big clue

hana enterprise cloud is the top of the range cloud offerings from sap. Business suite, embedded bW all on hana and only hosted by SAP but a lot company still prefers on premise or private cloud.

S4 is the new offering from sap on Hana running on fiori ux. Which would be available for all cloud , private cloud and on premise where public cloud would have advantage in getting latest updates and innovation release. Currently only have finance thou. Logistics target to roll out this year. Probably they will integrate success factors and Ariba into s4 to roll out other modules.

Well, the only difference is database. With previous SAP Cloud ERP, the database technology could be coming from different vendors for instance Oracle. But with HANA Enterprise Cloud (HEC), it's end to end solution from SAP. With HEC, it's not just Software as a Service we talking about but platform & infrastructure as a service as well. No longer network, server, SAP Basis to name a few required to maintain SAP infrastructure hence less jobs.

Hmm. my ex-company using SAP Business Bydesign. It was the SAP Cloud ERP which they recently migrated to HANA. I think all new bydesign will be default on HANA already. What is the different between bydesign and HEC?

I kinda agree with this statement. Its true.

Business ByDesign is intended for mid size market. The on premise equivalent would be business one. While HEC could cater large enterprise and the equivalent would be SAP ECC. I thought Business ByDesign would be discontinued, Link

hmm. my ex-company is an MNC so i dont think bydesign is for SME and is not related to business one.
the cloud version of business one is called business one cloud

dont think discontinued because my ex company actively using it.

The product won't be available for new customer but existing customer will still be supported by SAP. ByDesign has limited modules, even as MNC, certain module might not necessarily have big users. So some of MNC has hybrid approach to use cheaper alternative for less users for instance HR module.

Most of the SAP technical stuff are outsource to India due to cheaper cost.
They don't really care about the quality as long as they can deliver.
I work with them before and they never follow the standard.

For SAP folks, time to enpower yourselves with latest tech like Fiori those.

S/4 HANA Simple Finance first customer coming up

any news that it might or might not affect T-System (which used to be the IT arm for Shell)? because my friend is joining the DBA team soon and I might share with him this forum. many thanks!

hi guys. i want to ask for your opinion.

if i were to accept a 1-year contract with Shell SBSC, is it advisable? will the contract be renewed, or in the end SBSC also closed down after a year and it will be hard to find job again?

please advise your opinion

which department?how is the offer compared to your current offer?
If you have a good job now why jump in these tough economic times.

because i haven't got good job now
it's for SAP support role. haven't got result yet, so don't know how the remuneration package is.

further read
if u dont mind joining a sinking ship, by all means go ahead.
if u are still young, u may try
if u like to job hop, its definitely a good place because 1 year later definitely u need to find new job again
jobs which can outsourced to india means that what u doing now are no different with the india ppl can do, easily replaceable.

If jobless, why not? Gain experience first.
But make sure you look for other jobs for the time being.

Basically you under estimated what westerner's think.
They are more racist than what you can imagine.
They are treating Asians as pigs.
They are leaving Malaysia as we are no more a loyal dog to them and demanding higher pay.
What they want is loyal dogs that will follow their demand.
Just go and work in their country and you will understand me.

elaborate more pls

Are you sure you are working in a MNC

yes but i don't feel the things u told me before. so i am curious

Then suggest you go out of Malaysia and work in other locations
Then you will understands.

heh. u might as well dont need to say anything.

If they really value your contribution, why they want to close Cyberjaya down?

errmmm.....because it is business?

In case you don't know, Cyber is a support location. For any supporting function, the strategy to pursue is low cost process efficiency. That has always been the case.

If there is another location that is cheaper, then it doesn't make sense to pay more for supporting functions.

What you have said so far is just a whole lot of baloney........you say orang putih racist but can only support that by pointing out why they don't value the cyber folks. Yet at the same time, you demonstrated a deficient understanding of business operation. So please stop with this nonsense.

This post has been edited by feynman: Apr 12 2015, 07:59 PM

That's why i said, get out of Malaysia and work with them first unless you still want to be a village hero.
Royal dutch are dumping 70 billion to buy another company in London, a bailing out.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/shell-bg-merge...asia-1428676146
They are protecting their same skin but don't bother on others.

What;s the problem with this? Don't see the connection here. How does closing down cyber and proceeding with this merger got to do with racist orang putih?

There isn't a problem about this merger....it's about creating value. As a listed company, the board of directors and the C-suite are driven to deliver returns to shareholders. The execs believe that through this, value can be created. You may disagree but it is their heads that are on the table if they can't deliver the returns.

Guess what? you can extract value if you purchase stocks of Shell. How is this racist?

All the same, you still can't demonstrate what's so wrong about this. Show where you have been treated like pigs? Show where you have been treated like a dog?

On what basis are you saying what you have said in your first post? If you are just spouting this nonsense because they are closing it down, then sorry, you don't understand how business works. Period. Shell like any other company is not a charity, they are not here to feed you in case you didn't know. They are here to delivery value to their shareholders.

This post has been edited by feynman: Apr 12 2015, 08:36 PM

Well, if you are 1 of the 900 staffs that get affected, will you still says the same rubbish?

With this, are you admitting that you are one of the impacted employees?

Well, I'm sorry this is going to happen to you.

I can tell you this, I will still say this same 'rubbish' because I am not under no false illusion that Shell owes me a job.

Many people fail to realise that we live in a capitalist society. The objective of the corporation is to create wealth for the shareholders. You tak suka, you boleh pergi Cuba. You get the same wage no matter what you do. The moment you think that the company owes you something, that they are indebted to you, how bloody wrong you are.

Everybody is dispensable.

How do you avoid this then? Make yourself indispensable. When was the last time you acquired a new skill? When was the last time you acquired some new knowledge?

It is only prudent to constantly monitor what exit opportunities at any one time, it is also smart to monitor where your employing company is heading, you should be able to tell if your ship is sinking and if you have not made plans to jump, then you have yourself to blame.

Don't ever think that the company will be there for you forever, there is no such nonsense. You get paid for the work you do, they are not obligated to pay you for a work that they can get someone else to do or if they no longer require your service because of new technology or whatever. It's not a charity.

So take this as a lesson. Go find a new job, go acquire a new skill at the same time. Don't ever invest your feelings in the company unless it is your own.

This post has been edited by feynman: Apr 12 2015, 09:16 PM

Sorry, I'm not 1 of them.
If the economy are really bad and they start retrenchment, then I can't say anything. But if "cutting" here and there then waste a big chunk of money, then is not good.
Hope your current company will flush you out for being talk rubbish

That is why you are not and will never be a C-suite executive.

Well, worry about your position first before you proceed with more spewing more drivel.

Yes this is so true, in western countries especially european (west) they have such tight labor laws so their employees are paid higher, if they outsource to Malaysia they save so much, India even more..

Convert the Malaysians shells employee payroll to Indian employees payrol. Let's c whether it's racist or business. The Malaysian employees would probably resign automatically. It's all about the business. Shared services center is all about cost saving. That's the reason they do it in cyber in the first place until they decided during this oil crisis that Indians could probably do the same job with lower operations cost than Malaysia. Sad but true that we have to constantly improve our value especially those in IT line becos India is stealing your rice bowl.

hm..duly noted

thank u

Nah, outsource to other countries are just to create a fake situation and create a branding.
Not to say they have tight labor laws in their own country, basically they are lazy and stupid.
And to justify that they are racist, you can see out of 30 their top management post does not have any Asians.

So Shell Cyberjaya closing down now?

Not yet, still got other services. But sending local HP staffs to rubbish bin plan are there
From the day when Shell sold off their HQ in Damansara already a good sign that Shell will do anything to safeguard their interest, rather than employee's interest.
They willing to keep 1 million dollar sleeping manager but they won't bother on life or dead of 1000 front liners.

apart from SAP, what ERP does shell uses?

Luckily i din't accept Shell Cyberjaya offer last time.

10-20 years ago, Shell maybe is a good place to work, but not now.

No wonder 100 graduate employer always never include Shell

Sure got the reason as the working atmosphere are changed over the years.
That's why they are giving "high" salary to attract people. But then after take people, they start to do retrenchment.
Not to mention the office politics inside, on par with our politics, complicated.
And with current economy downturn, they will protect their own ars first rather than our ars.
Shell been selling their assets for the past 5 years to make their record nice. But with the money saved, still not enough 1 time wastage of buying another problematic O&G company for 70B dollars.

what company they bought?

i highly suspect u are shell staff. u should be grateful u got to work with the best employer in msia.

Is all came out in the news, not a secret.
As said before, try working overseas first and you will understand why I dare to generalize those mat salleh are racist arsholes

This post has been edited by supersound: Apr 14 2015, 05:36 PM

I'm kinda agreed with supersound comments in this thread. Its true.

That's why I said, MNC does not mean is good.
And when we working as contractor, it will be more obvious on not getting respected.

u must be working in shell b4