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VeeJay
post Apr 14 2015, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 14 2015, 05:34 PM)
Is all came out in the news, not a secret.
As said before, try working overseas first and you will understand why I dare to generalize those mat salleh are racist arsholes shocking.gif
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I so so much hated here...maybe you had experienced...but I dont think we should generalized it.....
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post Apr 15 2015, 02:10 AM

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So when will shell be moving out completely? And who will occupied their building afterwards?
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post Apr 15 2015, 03:48 AM

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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Apr 14 2015, 10:30 PM)
I so so much hated here...maybe you had experienced...but I dont think we should generalized it.....
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am in a place where finding an asian is like looking for a needle in a haystack
this place was branded racist in recent publications but i don feel it in the company where i work at...
ppl appreciate knowledge and hard work...

so i don know where are you working in....
but generalization doesn't help one bit...



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post Apr 15 2015, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Apr 14 2015, 10:30 PM)
I so so much hated here...maybe you had experienced...but I dont think we should generalized it.....
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Only IT would be moving out. Other shared service departments still there. You cant trust those in Bangalore to do your financials.
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post Apr 15 2015, 10:41 AM

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post Apr 15 2015, 10:45 AM

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post Apr 15 2015, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(lightwerker @ Apr 15 2015, 10:45 AM)
millionaire SAP contractor spotted
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the only relationship between me & Shell is i pump shell petrol sometime.. tongue.gif
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post Apr 16 2015, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 14 2015, 04:25 PM)
Sure got the reason as the working atmosphere are changed over the years.
That's why they are giving "high" salary to attract people. But then after take people, they start to do retrenchment.
Not to mention the office politics inside, on par with our politics, complicated.
And with current economy downturn, they will protect their own ars first rather than our ars.
Shell been selling their assets for the past 5 years to make their record nice. But with the money saved, still not enough 1 time wastage of buying another problematic O&G company for 70B dollars.
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Feel so lucky never join them even tough i have their offer.
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post Apr 16 2015, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(Jack Wilshere 10 @ Apr 16 2015, 02:23 PM)
Feel so lucky never join them even tough i have their offer.
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You are putting salt to people that got injured because of this.
But then this is the current drive.
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post Apr 16 2015, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 14 2015, 09:40 PM)
Oil well reserves in Malaysia are limited, the production won't be on par to what Middle east are doing.
I can open another 20 wells in Malaysia, but again with current weak market, for every barrel being dig out, I may be losing money.
Australia also giving fair competition to all, but yet Shell still sells their refinery in Australia.
This is nothing to do with local government's policies, is more on keeping the book nice as to continue sucking investor's money.
Shell share in Malaysia are bleeding like nobody's business, from the all time high of rm14 last time, now is at rm5. But at HQ, their share price still remain high.
They already make enough money from Malaysia, so is time to close it down and go to other places.
1 Employee that earning rm6000 a month for them are a burden, but keeping a manager that does nothing for rm60000 are required to stay competitive.
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true true. Its not about the government policies, its all about business. Reducing the cost..
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post Apr 16 2015, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(thoyol @ Apr 16 2015, 02:51 PM)
true true. Its not about the government policies, its all about business. Reducing the cost..
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Reducing cost must be done in proper way.
Cutting front liners and protecting managers are wrong basically.
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post Apr 16 2015, 03:40 PM

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So what do u expect. Cut managers and hire those from Bangalore to manage Malaysian resource?

Those who make decision also need to keep their rice bowl. Shell management is in Netherlands surely they speak, meet and decide within their own people.

Mind you, shell malaysia do have alot of IT managers with high pay too. They are cutting them as well.

Its all about the business. Blame India for being so cheap until they wouldn't mind comprise some quality (at least for now)
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post Apr 16 2015, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(showcase @ Mar 24 2015, 03:29 PM)
any news that it might or might not affect T-System (which used to be the IT arm for Shell)? because my friend is joining the DBA team soon and I might share with him this forum. many thanks! smile.gif
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I think yes! Because my application suddenly been on-hold. Eventhough last week they told me they were waiting for manager approval. So I can guess what is really happening there now.
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post Apr 16 2015, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(Jack Wilshere 10 @ Apr 16 2015, 02:23 PM)
Feel so lucky never join them even tough i have their offer.
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What make you think that you are lucky? Because your current job is more secure? biggrin.gif

In fact, I have been extremely lucky for decades because of Shell IT. It is not merely monetary, but the culture, safety, management technique and many lessons to learn.

Shifting to India is not new for Shell. They did it since 2004 by outsourcing their downstream ABAP factory and legacy SAP systems to Wipro and IBM India. That was 11 years ago! Each outsourcing exercises Shell did, after 2004, created many opportunities for local talents to learn, explore and grow. Today, many experienced and well-trained ex-Shell staffs are in big well-known companies holding important positions.

You never know what you miss - because you have not been in the position to view things differently.


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QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 16 2015, 02:45 PM)
You are putting salt to people that got injured because of this.
But then this is the current drive.
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Dont get cheated by big company name. rclxms.gif
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post Apr 17 2015, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(Jack Wilshere 10 @ Apr 17 2015, 07:26 AM)
Dont get cheated by big company name. rclxms.gif
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You know Jack, you made a smart move. This is expected in big MNCs nowadays. Everyone wants to cut costs and maximize profits. So, it is better that we don't depend on these big goons so much and start making money through our own business.
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post Apr 17 2015, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(ongss @ Apr 16 2015, 11:37 PM)
What make you think that you are lucky? Because your current job is more secure?  biggrin.gif

In fact, I have been extremely lucky for decades because of Shell IT. It is not merely monetary, but the culture, safety, management technique and many lessons to learn. 

Shifting to India is not new for Shell. They did it since 2004 by outsourcing their downstream ABAP factory and legacy SAP systems to Wipro and IBM India. That was 11 years ago! Each outsourcing exercises Shell did, after 2004, created many opportunities for local talents to learn, explore and grow. Today, many experienced and well-trained ex-Shell staffs are in big well-known companies holding important positions.

You never know what you miss - because you have not been in the position to view things differently.
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well, the things u mention are totally irrelevant.
do u know whenever we see any resume from shell we will just KIV? reason because shell people are too focus on 1 single repetitive task. for example the finance person that i interviewed from shell only know accounts receivable ! she dont know heck about P&L or BS. And yet they are demanding high salary? I could easily hire at cheaper (or i would be more willing to pay higher pay) to those from chinaman company because this finance girl i hired knows almost everything in finance ! since then i never have prejudice towards small company anymore. mind u i am in a german MNC.

don't believe what i said? go ask other MNC whether they would hire shell staff or not. try those companies near you in cyberjaya (not T-system or HP). My excolleague from here who went to AIG practise the same idea as well.
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post Apr 17 2015, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(lightwerker @ Apr 17 2015, 10:07 AM)
well, the things u mention are totally irrelevant.
do u know whenever we see any resume from shell we will just KIV? reason because shell people are too focus on 1 single repetitive task. for example the finance person that i interviewed from shell only know accounts receivable ! she dont know heck about P&L or BS. And yet they are demanding high salary? I could easily hire at cheaper (or i would be more willing to pay higher pay) to those from chinaman company because this finance girl i hired knows almost everything in finance ! since then i never have prejudice towards small company anymore. mind u i am in a german MNC.

don't believe what i said? go ask other MNC whether they would hire shell staff or not. try those companies near you in cyberjaya (not T-system or HP). My excolleague from here who went to AIG practise the same idea as well.
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so scary then... ohmy.gif
then where do shell people supposed to go?
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post Apr 17 2015, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(lightwerker @ Apr 17 2015, 10:07 AM)
well, the things u mention are totally irrelevant.
do u know whenever we see any resume from shell we will just KIV? reason because shell people are too focus on 1 single repetitive task. for example the finance person that i interviewed from shell only know accounts receivable ! she dont know heck about P&L or BS. And yet they are demanding high salary? I could easily hire at cheaper (or i would be more willing to pay higher pay) to those from chinaman company because this finance girl i hired knows almost everything in finance ! since then i never have prejudice towards small company anymore. mind u i am in a german MNC.

don't believe what i said? go ask other MNC whether they would hire shell staff or not. try those companies near you in cyberjaya (not T-system or HP). My excolleague from here who went to AIG practise the same idea as well.
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Unfortunately this is totally true too. Shared Centre constantly train people to become a specialist and focused on 1 area. The idea is to make the employee well-versed and totally competent in the said area and only that area. It will make them become a 'oil-greased' part of the whole system.

They will have a hard time to compete with "all-rounder" or generalist. They can only fit in other Shared Centre environment.

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post Apr 17 2015, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(Jack Wilshere 10 @ Apr 17 2015, 07:26 AM)
Dont get cheated by big company name. rclxms.gif
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Oh yes, you are right notworthy.gif

QUOTE(danny_rocker @ Apr 17 2015, 08:36 AM)
You know Jack, you made a smart move. This is expected in big MNCs nowadays. Everyone wants to cut costs and maximize profits. So, it is better that we don't depend on these big goons so much and start making money through our own business.
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MNC = money nigging company whistling.gif

QUOTE(lightwerker @ Apr 17 2015, 10:07 AM)
well, the things u mention are totally irrelevant.
do u know whenever we see any resume from shell we will just KIV? reason because shell people are too focus on 1 single repetitive task. for example the finance person that i interviewed from shell only know accounts receivable ! she dont know heck about P&L or BS. And yet they are demanding high salary? I could easily hire at cheaper (or i would be more willing to pay higher pay) to those from chinaman company because this finance girl i hired knows almost everything in finance ! since then i never have prejudice towards small company anymore. mind u i am in a german MNC.

don't believe what i said? go ask other MNC whether they would hire shell staff or not. try those companies near you in cyberjaya (not T-system or HP). My excolleague from here who went to AIG practise the same idea as well.
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An O&G company still only have expertise on O&G business, not others.
So is good step you are taking. All the staffs from other business/departments basically are not competent.

QUOTE(fix24311 @ Apr 17 2015, 10:37 AM)
so scary then... ohmy.gif
then where do shell people supposed to go?
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Lower down the requirement when looking other jobs.

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