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post Aug 7 2017, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 5 2017, 10:21 PM)
finally the usual report from hardware.fr was out.

for ssds, the top brands with the least return rates:

1. Samsung 0,17% (previously 0,20%)
2. Intel 0,19% (previously 0,27%)
3. Crucial 0,31% (previously 0,28%)
4. Sandisk 0,31% (previously 0,62%)
5. Corsair 0,36% (previously 1,67%)
6. Kingston 0,44% (previously 0,29%)

ssds with highest return rates:
3,59% Kingston SSDNow KC400 Series 512gb
1,37% Crucial MX200 500gb
1,08% Crucial MX200 1tb
0,95% SanDisk SSD PLUS 480gb
0,93% Kingston SSDNow M.2 SATA G2 480gb

for more information, http://www.hardware.fr/articles/962-7/ssd.html

also don't forget to check out http://www.hardware.fr/articles/962-8/conclusion.html

edit: will be switching to 960 pro when i have the time to set it up. it's been in the package for too long :/
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Holy crap! I have one Kingston SSDNow KC400 Series 512gb sweat.gif
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post Aug 7 2017, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 5 2017, 10:21 PM)
finally the usual report from hardware.fr was out.

for ssds, the top brands with the least return rates:

1. Samsung 0,17% (previously 0,20%)
2. Intel 0,19% (previously 0,27%)
3. Crucial 0,31% (previously 0,28%)
4. Sandisk 0,31% (previously 0,62%)
5. Corsair 0,36% (previously 1,67%)
6. Kingston 0,44% (previously 0,29%)

ssds with highest return rates:
3,59% Kingston SSDNow KC400 Series 512gb
1,37% Crucial MX200 500gb
1,08% Crucial MX200 1tb
0,95% SanDisk SSD PLUS 480gb
0,93% Kingston SSDNow M.2 SATA G2 480gb

for more information, http://www.hardware.fr/articles/962-7/ssd.html

also don't forget to check out http://www.hardware.fr/articles/962-8/conclusion.html

edit: will be switching to 960 pro when i have the time to set it up. it's been in the package for too long :/
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can we attribute that drop for Intel due to lack of competitive SSDs against others out there atm? biggrin.gif

since 530s, somehow nothing improved
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post Aug 7 2017, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 7 2017, 08:36 PM)
Bought this adaptor for my Samsung 950 Pro 512GB
Before using the adapter: 50°C vmad.gif
After using the adapter: 36°C thumbup.gif

PS: Both temperatures is when my system on idle, no air-conditioner in the room

Where to buy: https://www.lazada.com.my/pci-e-30-x4-lane-...ails.0.0.IuFB7a

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thanks a lot for the link smile.gif

however i think passive cooling is sufficient. mine is 35c at idle.

QUOTE(llk @ Aug 7 2017, 08:43 PM)
Holy crap! I have one Kingston SSDNow KC400 Series 512gb  sweat.gif
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it's not that bad i think, because the return rates for ssd is still the lowest of all common hardware components.

QUOTE(marfccy @ Aug 7 2017, 09:09 PM)
can we attribute that drop for Intel due to lack of competitive SSDs against others out there atm? biggrin.gif

since 530s, somehow nothing improved
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yeah it's possible, because if you compared all the brands, intel is not much of an attention these days. i wonder when is the day they make storage based on optane hehe



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post Aug 9 2017, 12:53 AM

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i think intel naik angin. 1pb Ruler ssd (1,000 terabytes) sleep.gif

https://www.engadget.com/2017/08/08/intels-...-kind-of-drive/
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post Aug 10 2017, 05:07 PM

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maybe this time is for real for the era of affordable high capacity ssd?

https://www.engadget.com/2017/08/10/samsung...or-massive-ssd/

there is already a report about toshiba's 3d tlc nand at enterprise space, squeezing 30tb in 2.5" form factor, http://www.anandtech.com/show/11696/toshib...ith-3d-tlc-nand

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post Aug 11 2017, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 5 2017, 10:21 PM)
finally the usual report from hardware.fr was out.

for ssds, the top brands with the least return rates:

1. Samsung 0,17% (previously 0,20%)
2. Intel 0,19% (previously 0,27%)
3. Crucial 0,31% (previously 0,28%)
4. Sandisk 0,31% (previously 0,62%)
5. Corsair 0,36% (previously 1,67%)
6. Kingston 0,44% (previously 0,29%)

ssds with highest return rates:
3,59% Kingston SSDNow KC400 Series 512gb
1,37% Crucial MX200 500gb
1,08% Crucial MX200 1tb
0,95% SanDisk SSD PLUS 480gb
0,93% Kingston SSDNow M.2 SATA G2 480gb

for more information, http://www.hardware.fr/articles/962-7/ssd.html

also don't forget to check out http://www.hardware.fr/articles/962-8/conclusion.html

edit: will be switching to 960 pro when i have the time to set it up. it's been in the package for too long :/
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How about units sales % vs rma ?
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post Aug 11 2017, 09:28 PM

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does anyone tried SSD RAID 0 using USB 3.0? i got mini raid enclosure just to test out to RAID my unused SSDs

apparently the max speed it can go not more than 600MBps....

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post Aug 11 2017, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Aug 11 2017, 09:00 PM)
How about units sales % vs rma ?
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the report is about failure return rates of common hardware, focusing on giving users hints about which brands and models to get. iinm it's based on a large e-tailer in france.

actually at the beginning of the article there is a part that explained how the numbers were concluded. using google translate, it's as quoted below.

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If there is an unknown during the advice and the purchase of a material, it is its reliability. Certainly the reputation of a manufacturer is there to reassure us, but from one model to another it can vary enormously and even renowned builders are not immune to a blunder!

Although past performance does not bode well for future performance, we are releasing today some of the breakdown rate statistics available to us. They cover parts sold during the second half of 2016, for returns created before the second half of 2017, ie a maximum of one year of operation. The change in the rate of breakdown over the lifetime of a product generally forms a flat U, practically flat, and these figures therefore cover the first part of their life, when the rate is high.

This type of statistics needs some retreat, so some of the products have become obsolete. Nevertheless, these statistics are informative and make it possible to point the finger of products to see manufacturers who are hoping that they will improve things in the future. On the last page, we also publish statistics on sales in the first half of 2017, although with a less significant decline, but which already allows us to see the bad students.

For each product family we publish data by manufacturer, as well as parts with return rates greater than 5% or failing that the 5 parts with the highest rate. It is impossible for us to publish the rates of all the products, but if not we publish those of the parts having some common characteristics headlights (capacity for a hard disk, GPU for a graphics card, etc ...) See what good students are.

The statistics by brand are based on a minimum sample of 500 pieces sold, those by models on a minimum sample of 100 pieces sold. When the sample is smaller than 200 pieces, the designation is italicized. The largest volumes of tens of thousands of parts per brand and thousands of parts per model. Each time we compared the rates obtained by the manufacturers with those of our previous article on the subject published in December 2016.
QUOTE(firdausbhari @ Aug 11 2017, 09:28 PM)
does anyone tried SSD RAID 0 using USB 3.0 hub? i got mini raid enclosure just to test out to RAID my unused SSDs

apparently the max speed it can go not more than 600MBps....
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that's the theoretical max bandwidth limit of usb 3.0. in real world, you cannot go that fast because of various reasons.
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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 11 2017, 10:39 PM)
the report is about failure return rates of common hardware, focusing on giving users hints about which brands and models to get. iinm it's based on a large e-tailer in france.

actually at the beginning of the article there is a part that explained how the numbers were concluded. using google translate, it's as quoted below.
that's the theoretical max bandwidth limit of usb 3.0. in real world, you cannot go that fast because of various reasons.
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yes. i searched online and thunderbolt enclosure is the solution.

but the price..... bangwall.gif
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post Aug 11 2017, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(firdausbhari @ Aug 11 2017, 10:51 PM)
yes. i searched online and thunderbolt enclosure is the solution.

but the price..... bangwall.gif
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yeah; well, if you really need that fast of the speed, thunderbolt makes more sense.
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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 11 2017, 11:32 PM)
yeah; well, if you really need that fast of the speed, thunderbolt makes more sense.
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probably not. can spend on another computer for the price of thunderbolt enclosure haha

eventho it limited to 600MBps, it is still fast
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QUOTE(firdausbhari @ Aug 11 2017, 11:41 PM)
probably not. can spend on another computer for the price of thunderbolt enclosure haha

eventho it limited to 600MBps, it is still fast
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yeah that's what i thought. i use ssd as usb-3.0 portal disk also. the speed is better than hdd already and i'm fine with that hehe

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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 11 2017, 11:50 PM)
yeah that's what i thought. i use ssd as usb-3.0 portal disk also. the speed is better than hdd already and i'm fine with that hehe
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yes and again i searched online some said using usb 3.1 enclosure to achieve more speed hmmm makes sense as well. a USB 3.1 type C enclosure 10gbps
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QUOTE(firdausbhari @ Aug 11 2017, 11:57 PM)
yes and again i searched online some said using usb 3.1 enclosure to achieve more speed hmmm makes sense as well. a USB 3.1 type C enclosure 10gbps
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if all your devices support usb 3.1 it's ok to get it i think. mine don't so i will wait until all my usb 3.0 adapters failed first haha

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 7 2017, 08:36 PM)
Bought this adaptor for my Samsung 950 Pro 512GB
Before using the adapter: 50°C vmad.gif
After using the adapter: 36°C thumbup.gif

PS: Both temperatures is when my system on idle, no air-conditioner in the room

Where to buy: https://www.lazada.com.my/pci-e-30-x4-lane-...ails.0.0.IuFB7a

user posted image
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confirmed to be pcie x4? i heard some cap ayam cap to x1.
what's the fan size? how's the fan noise?
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Aug 16 2017, 10:04 AM)
confirmed to be pcie x4? i heard some cap ayam cap to x1.
what's the fan size? how's the fan noise?
Confirmed X4, checked in CrystalDiskInfo

Fan size is about 50MM, no noise level
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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 11 2017, 10:39 PM)
the report is about failure return rates of common hardware, focusing on giving users hints about which brands and models to get. iinm it's based on a large e-tailer in france.

actually at the beginning of the article there is a part that explained how the numbers were concluded. using google translate, it's as quoted below.
that's the theoretical max bandwidth limit of usb 3.0. in real world, you cannot go that fast because of various reasons.
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Thanks , 500,200,100 piece sold as survey.
But Samsung ssd right now is still expensive.Any intel SSD 2.5 for normal usage ? All I see is M.2.Usage for old sata1 laptop but require 256GB.
What's worry is old bios doesn't detect newer SSD.Maybe intel have better detection on dell ?
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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Aug 16 2017, 09:01 PM)
Thanks , 500,200,100 piece sold as survey.
But Samsung ssd right now is still expensive.Any intel SSD 2.5 for normal usage ? All I see is M.2.Usage for old sata1 laptop but require 256GB.
What's worry is old bios doesn't detect newer SSD.Maybe intel have better detection on dell ?
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er it's better to check bios and other dependencies first. ssd runs on ahci or raid mode in sata operations. (most sata ssds require ahci mode to do firmware upgrades or maintenance) in terms of performance, it's better to use at least sata2. (sata1 is slow) of course you can still leverage on its high iops, but i'm not sure of its effective performance boost compared to sata3.

about bios compatibility, maybe the user manual for your dell model can help.

as for the intel ssd, the current one is 540s. from reviews its performance is bad in general. you should choose others tbh.


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