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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX Thread V67, U haz CVT Falcon PUNCH liao?

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post Mar 17 2015, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Mar 17 2015, 11:18 AM)
On wiring side, you can use independent PS but you need to have the FPC to control the triggering of the FP when you turn the key to ignition standby as the FP need to prime 1st. Now all cars have the FP primed 1st before ignition.

Its the same. Draw in fuel from bottom and out from top. But the Walbro fuel pump I have the internal design is the new one using something like a turbine fin blade instead of the bearing georotor like our oil pump. The sound is a bit more silent and it does not have that small valve on the top outlet which I don't know how to describe. 

This is comparison between our stock Borsch FP bottom with the Walbro Georotor FP top. Same just Walbro body size bigger a bit. 
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This is out stock FP casing assembly fuel strainer will fit Walbro inlet no problem at all.
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This is our in-tank FP regulator. When you put in after market FPR on FLX this needs to be disable by plugging the top hole with a cap.
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Here's a video how it sounds like when hot. Cold time the sound is much louder.

Feel is very subjective and your car setup and mine is different so result will differ....
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very very informative, thanks for explaining boss notworthy.gif
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respect you cause willing to do all kinds of testing on ur own car; eventhough there's no guarantee that it will work. hats off rclxms.gif
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post Mar 17 2015, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(Bazinga! @ Mar 17 2015, 03:14 PM)
respect you cause willing to do all kinds of testing on ur own car; eventhough there's no guarantee that it will work. hats off rclxms.gif
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if rosaked also he can easily get it repaired unlike all of us.
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post Mar 17 2015, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Mar 17 2015, 02:32 PM)
if rosaked also he can easily get it repaired unlike all of us.
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post Mar 17 2015, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(Bazinga! @ Mar 17 2015, 02:14 PM)
very very informative, thanks for explaining boss  notworthy.gif
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respect you cause willing to do all kinds of testing on ur own car; eventhough there's no guarantee that it will work. hats off rclxms.gif
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When you bump into trouble, it's either you face it or walked away from it. I just choose to faced it, learn about it and find a solution to it because no one is going to solve your problem for you. I thank you for the compliment but I'm also still learning. There's much to be learned and I barely skim the surface..
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post Mar 17 2015, 05:16 PM

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one more dumb question. the last bar on the fuel gauge usually lasts how many km ar?
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post Mar 17 2015, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(sharkz07 @ Mar 17 2015, 06:16 PM)
one more dumb question. the last bar on the fuel gauge usually lasts how many km ar?
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depends on your fuel consumption.
eg. when fuel meter lit up, approximately left 8 liters out of 40liter full tank.
so 8L * 10km/L = 80km. but letting tank dried up before refuel will make your fuel pump KOed faster. so, advisable don't wait until tank really empty.
nobody ever cares about last bar bar on fuel gauge lasts how many km...

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post Mar 17 2015, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Mar 17 2015, 05:21 PM)
depends on your fuel consumption.
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i usually only light footed drive around 70-80km/h everyday to work
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QUOTE(sharkz07 @ Mar 17 2015, 06:25 PM)
i usually only light footed drive around 70-80km/h everyday to work
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calculate your FC lor, then you can tell what's your FC. can't simply tell the FC based on that.

http://www.fuelly.com/about

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post Mar 17 2015, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Mar 17 2015, 03:05 PM)
When you bump into trouble, it's either you face it or walked away from it. I just choose to faced it, learn about it and find a solution to it because no one is going to solve your problem for you. I thank you for the compliment but I'm also still learning. There's much to be learned and I barely skim the surface..
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i try to face my problems also. but all small small stuff only haha. if u barely skim the surface, i havent even reached the surface yet -.- rclxub.gif
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post Mar 17 2015, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Mar 17 2015, 05:30 PM)
calculate your FC lor, then you can tell what's your FC. can't simply tell the FC based on that.

http://www.fuelly.com/about
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if the fuel signal start blinking usually how many km ar it can go before it run out of fuel?
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post Mar 17 2015, 07:30 PM

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Just got back my Flx yesterday. Did the repairs at Proton SC.

Well it was the pump that gave way. Luckily clutch all okay. Damnit... the pump made in China... mad.gif vmad.gif

Surely lah the quality like sheet....

Total cost Rm750 +..


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post Mar 17 2015, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Mar 17 2015, 11:18 AM)
On wiring side, you can use independent PS but you need to have the FPC to control the triggering of the FP when you turn the key to ignition standby as the FP need to prime 1st. Now all cars have the FP primed 1st before ignition.

Its the same. Draw in fuel from bottom and out from top. But the Walbro fuel pump I have the internal design is the new one using something like a turbine fin blade instead of the bearing georotor like our oil pump. The sound is a bit more silent and it does not have that small valve on the top outlet which I don't know how to describe. 

This is comparison between our stock Borsch FP bottom with the Walbro Georotor FP top. Same just Walbro body size bigger a bit. 
user posted image

This is out stock FP casing assembly fuel strainer will fit Walbro inlet no problem at all.
user posted image

This is our in-tank FP regulator. When you put in after market FPR on FLX this needs to be disable by plugging the top hole with a cap.
user posted image

Here's a video how it sounds like when hot. Cold time the sound is much louder.

Feel is very subjective and your car setup and mine is different so result will differ....
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laugh.gif thumbup.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif SIfu....XD really want know everything about the saga .
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post Mar 17 2015, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(drfeelgood @ Mar 17 2015, 07:30 PM)
Just got back my Flx yesterday. Did the repairs at Proton SC.

Well it was the pump that gave way. Luckily clutch all okay. Damnit... the pump made in China...  mad.gif  vmad.gif

Surely lah the quality like sheet....

Total cost Rm750 +..
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Glad you're back. Still, 750 for a clutch pump, we're looking at Inspaliah pricing ady doh.gif Quazacolt?
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Mar 17 2015, 08:19 PM)
Glad you're back. Still, 750 for a clutch pump, we're looking at Inspaliah pricing ady doh.gif Quazacolt?
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my fren just replaced in proton sc RM72x for inspira, mitsubishi japan part, if mitsubishi china i can get cheaper by 20% +- tongue.gif
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post Mar 17 2015, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Mar 17 2015, 08:19 PM)
Glad you're back. Still, 750 for a clutch pump, we're looking at Inspaliah pricing ady doh.gif Quazacolt?
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see this:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1771264...E%20%28M%29.pdf
item 186 and 187, not sure if the above few more required or not
then labor, gear oil, brake fluid...

actually, not that far off with the getrag? lol
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post Mar 17 2015, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(sharkz07 @ Mar 17 2015, 07:11 PM)
if the fuel signal start blinking usually how many km ar it can go before it run out of fuel?
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It's easy to find out. The next time when left 1 bar there, you start counting and drive until the car stall, then you'll have the exact figure of YOU driving YOUR CAR at that TIME with the traffic CONDITION nod.gif U must be wondering why are people so rude answering your question? Because there's no absolute answer, whatever people has to offer already offered and you're being stubborn asking the same question over and over again. So here you go. My car the last bar usually can drive me 30km before it blinks. After it blinks, I can do another 30km before the car stall. Take note that is only ME driving MY CAR. If it's my wife, then different story. She could have only managed 20km before it blinks, and another 20km before the car stall.

Feels like never answer your question right? It's because my driving style is not yours, my car is not yours. You'll just have to fill up petrol when the last bar start to blinks. I still can't understand why this question has been asked over and over again. Do you really want to have 1 time that you purposely try whether the last bar can stretched 100km and the car stalled at the middle of no where, you'll have to call for road assist to go buy petrol and fill up by the road side? Don't get angry ya. Merely stating the fact jek. If you're going to go rage, please take your car go and test out how far you can stretch until it stall, that will really prove me wrong, this world really got people purposely push the fuel reading until the petrol tank depleted and stall the car.
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post Mar 17 2015, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Mar 17 2015, 08:36 PM)
my fren just replaced in proton sc RM72x for inspira, mitsubishi japan part, if mitsubishi china i can get cheaper by 20% +-  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Mar 17 2015, 08:37 PM)
see this:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1771264...E%20%28M%29.pdf
item 186 and 187, not sure if the above few more required or not
then labor, gear oil, brake fluid...

actually, not that far off with the getrag? lol
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Ayam glad that maikar is BLM, can kompatibulu with Datsun Sunny 130Y, oso can kompatibulu with many NISMO part that fits Langley 1.5 tebu whistling.gif If I were to consider upgred gebox, probably will be Personga/Gentut/BLM TAXI Mitshi gebox. Atleast I get to use Rallyart. Good lark with getrug gebox whistling.gif
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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Mar 17 2015, 01:07 PM)
I don't feel any lag in my throttle respond. Step..Go...Step..Go..

Your fuel pressure is regulated by the Fuel Pressure Regulator (FPR), on stock car the stock FPR controls the pressure via a spring attached to a diaphragm not the ECU. ECU only monitors the fuel flow rate and pressure then adjust the PD (Pulse Duration) of injector to control how long the nozzle to stay open and the PD reduces as engine RPM increase. For Borsch injector they are reliable up to 85% of their duty cycle anymore and they will start to fail.

By now you should understand how the injector works and how it is controlled. So you ask will the EU compensate the higher flow rate. The ECU will only control the PD of the injector. Your fuel flow rate will increase once you swap to a high pressure high flow FP. The FPR will detect the higher pressure due to higher flow and regulate it. But due to the higher flow rate even with the FPR trying to bring down the pressure to stock set level. Technically speaking your fuel delivery /hr is still higher than stock pump hence your whole fuel line is has a higher pressure than stock.

The ECU has it's own fuel mapping but it will change slightly to match with the increased fuel but to an extend only. As I have not fully let the Walbro run at higher efficiency so the stock mapping still an coupe with the changes but from my usage I've noticed Fuel Consumption has increased.

Why I change to a high flow fuel pump is because on dyno my AFR is showing leaning issues at Mid to High rev range and overall the AFR is on the lean side starting from low. As I'm preparing to redo my entire fuel delivery system (returnless to return type) I drop in the Fuel Pump 1st then later on will put in an adjustable FPR to regulate and increased the fuel pressure where the stock FPR will not be able to handle anymore.

I drop in the Fuel Pump as a testing actually wanted to see how a high flow FP whether will help to reduce the leaning issue to a certain level and it did. My Mid to high rev now is much stronger compare to before where I can feel the engine starving for fuel. The stock FP was not able to deliver quick enough to supply the engine needs hence on dyno the graph shows a constant ----- only instead of keep going upwards until the fuel cut off kicks in.

Since not much info have gone into detail of the problem, I took things to my own and use my own car as a test bed. I've tried using a SR20 fuel rail but it was not a fit. injector outlet was off by few MM and with the stock pump it will not able to supply enough pressure at all to the larger fuel rail so with now the increased pressure. I'm dropping in bigger fuel rails and see what happens.
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Throttle lag for mine would be sometimes when starting in 1st gear, has to be slightly earlier press on throttle, if not sluggish. Sometimes on double clutching on rev-match I do experience throttle opened not big enough though my step on throttle is a lot, it came to a point where I now consider on electronic throttle controller to maybe up the sensitivity of the throttle.

Maybe going for dyno would see some figures, do report on any improvements. I believe after some time the ECU would recompensate on your higher fuel pressure, hopefully would give a positive outcome, ultimately the best would still be a modified ecu eh?

When going for next dyno? Feel wana join, hopefully on a Saturdeh so that I want to know how is my own gaga feel, in numbers; readable and compatible. nod.gif
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Mar 17 2015, 08:47 PM)
Ayam glad that maikar is BLM, can kompatibulu with Datsun Sunny 130Y, oso can kompatibulu with many NISMO part that fits Langley 1.5 tebu whistling.gif If I were to consider upgred gebox, probably will be Personga/Gentut/BLM TAXI Mitshi gebox. Atleast I get to use Rallyart. Good lark with getrug gebox whistling.gif
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Wa mia getrag la yawn.gif

European gearbox mah whistling.gif
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QUOTE(drfeelgood @ Mar 17 2015, 07:30 PM)
Just got back my Flx yesterday. Did the repairs at Proton SC.

Well it was the pump that gave way. Luckily clutch all okay. Damnit... the pump made in China...  mad.gif  vmad.gif

Surely lah the quality like sheet....

Total cost Rm750 +..
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drfeelgood

How long you would be in Melaka bro?

Jom meet up & Bazinga! whistling.gif

Side note: pergh itu getrag manual oil price yawn.gif

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