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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX Thread V67, U haz CVT Falcon PUNCH liao?

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post Mar 7 2015, 07:17 AM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Mar 6 2015, 07:46 PM)
david, what do u think about 2 leg braking technique?
i find brake force increase a lot becos pedal can reach bottom easier than 1 leg. especially if the car stopping power is weak

also practising left foot braking at the same time
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Practicing rev matching also would assist braking tremendously. Too bad i cant do heel & toe, no guts. sad.gif

I'm still feeling my car exhaust not pushing out air enough as i di a little bit of high rev driving, adding a bullet would help? Guys, advice? biggrin.gif
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post Mar 7 2015, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Mar 7 2015, 08:09 AM)
Gaga can do heel n toe.

If u say not pushing out exhaust fast enough means the exhaust gas flow is restrictive or it colds down too fast due to too big exhaust piping n becomes heavy and need more energy to push it out. I don't think adding a billet will help much.
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my exhaust piping still stock je, only change extractor. Muffler and midbox still stock. Ape problem ah?
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post Mar 7 2015, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Mar 7 2015, 07:38 AM)
put ur foot higher position. Thats the key.
gaga can do it no problem icon_rolleyes.gif
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Sifu got video can teach? notworthy.gif
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post Mar 7 2015, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Mar 7 2015, 08:30 AM)
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Sometimes, it takes an extra chamber to buffer air speed, rather than straight flow whistling.gif From where these people get the idea of adding a bullet will make the exhaust flow faster yawn.gif
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Meaning changing the muffler ah? To two chambers? Hehehee.
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post Mar 7 2015, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Mar 7 2015, 10:21 AM)
ok, i go face wall suck thumb... notworthy.gif
i got drive gaga blm sometimes nod.gif
i will try make one, but need sponsor tripod and fuel icon_question.gif
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Ader inspilah nak sponsor fuel aiyaaaa whistling.gif

Would dyno-ing my car tell what's wrong with my gaga exhaust flow? Reading from articles muffler do little effect on exhaust flow. But wa mia stock muffler teruk kah? At least it is silent. tongue.gif
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post Mar 8 2015, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(Aquariusdenz @ Mar 8 2015, 10:29 AM)
A little update to share with you guys, I just changed one of my car's rear wheel bearing and of course no more humming noise.  rclxm9.gif
Meanwhile I was at the SC, I asked my friend (my friend work at SC) to update the ECU firmware, but he updated the TCU firmware at the same time. My car is a Saga FLX CVT Executive. At first, the improvements are not noticeable when I drove out of the SC, but can notice a slight improvements on the throttle respond. However once I hit a traffic jam, I quickly notice the jerky of the car during low speed had significantly reduced to almost non, near to torque converter. I previously curse the CVT jerky-ness to death, but after this update, I start to love the car again.  biggrin.gif  CVT users here, maybe you can have a try to update your ECU and TCU firmware.  nod.gif
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Is this your first time updating ecu?

There is an update some time back to solve the idle jerky issue. That was the only time i went to sc to update. After that has been bawah pokok service already. biggrin.gif

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post Mar 12 2015, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Mar 12 2015, 09:41 AM)
you'll get many chances to practice. As time goes by, the clock will be getting slower... and slower... and slower... laugh.gif
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Yalo why ah? Every time i makin late to work because thinking i still got extra 5-10mins. biggrin.gif
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post Mar 12 2015, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Mar 12 2015, 08:58 PM)
Admit it, you just wanted more bars in the car(be it cheap and useless) to "look" fast and "feel" stable. The rear lower bar of Ular Cacing has a total different function than what 3MAX ARB does. It's a cross member brace that will enforce the chassis rigidity beneath the rear passneger seats. It's not about how cheap the bar can be, it's the functionality nod.gif

Please bai Ular Cacing rear "STRUT" bar. From the name, 1 can expect the bar supposed to strap on the STRUT, which 3MAX idiotic kind of design conveniently strapped on the seats. What an idiot yawn.gif

p/s: NOT trolling, in addition to the latest incident that involved our TS yawn.gif
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Aiya fixed rear strut with Mahihi jor. whistling.gif
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post Mar 14 2015, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Mar 13 2015, 10:40 PM)
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Reinforce the below chassis kah boss? unsure.gif

QUOTE(coolkwc @ Mar 14 2015, 10:45 AM)
300 out of 475 is for workmanship, becos they have to open up ur dashboard before can take out the condenser to service. whistling.gif
A good workshop will tell you the truth that is not worth to service aircond, the shop you went most probably want to con your money. whistling.gif

Don't fix it if not broken. Our aircond no need service one. if you feel not cold, you can ask to check for coolant level, they will estimate if there is any leakage by looking the % moisture inside the coolant. If they check no sign of leaking but coolant level is reduce, it is normal, you can refill the coolant and test for 3 months. I refill my coolant after my car reach 5 years, nearly 50% gone, but no sign of leakage, they refill coolant for me and now adi 6 months the aircond still very cold. If leakage due to condenser, straight away change condenser + refill gas all those thing only cost you around RM600.

Aircond service is for those cars that doesn't need dashboard dismantle, definitely not our Saga.
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I just went to flush my condenser oil and refill coolant using a machine nia. Under RM 200 to buat. rolleyes.gif

Putting a pollen filter would help. Air cond still reasonably cold, good to service the air cond because these days weather sooo hot. doh.gif
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post Mar 14 2015, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Mar 14 2015, 05:22 PM)
200? They dismantle anything?  blink.gif Mine RM100 for same job done. nod.gif
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No dismantle lo, wash cooling coil with some liquid, then use what they call a flex machine which clean and flush coolant and compressor oil. Bla bla bla around 185.
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post Mar 15 2015, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(jaylim94 @ Mar 15 2015, 08:46 PM)
Hello everyone smile.gif
I would like to know if we want to change CVT oil, let bawah pokok mechanic or get back to proton SC fix will better?
I just not sure what procedure will involve during CVT oil changing cause my mechanic dont have pc or relative technology stuff to fix if needed.
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Preferably go back sc lor. Cvt cannot suke suke use any oil wan.
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post Mar 16 2015, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Mar 15 2015, 11:58 PM)
NO

It is for torque converter based CVT. Can be used in Inspira, BUT NOT for Saga.
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Manual getrag can use any oil kah boss?

QUOTE(jaylim94 @ Mar 16 2015, 12:00 AM)
Oh, too bad, then i just use back Proton CVT oil ba  sad.gif 

Or any alternative brand I can try? Appreciate if recommended  smile.gif
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Use back proton oni, safe and good. Use better oil also i think not much difference.
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post Mar 17 2015, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Mar 17 2015, 11:18 AM)
On wiring side, you can use independent PS but you need to have the FPC to control the triggering of the FP when you turn the key to ignition standby as the FP need to prime 1st. Now all cars have the FP primed 1st before ignition.

Its the same. Draw in fuel from bottom and out from top. But the Walbro fuel pump I have the internal design is the new one using something like a turbine fin blade instead of the bearing georotor like our oil pump. The sound is a bit more silent and it does not have that small valve on the top outlet which I don't know how to describe. 

This is comparison between our stock Borsch FP bottom with the Walbro Georotor FP top. Same just Walbro body size bigger a bit. 
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This is out stock FP casing assembly fuel strainer will fit Walbro inlet no problem at all.
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This is our in-tank FP regulator. When you put in after market FPR on FLX this needs to be disable by plugging the top hole with a cap.
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Here's a video how it sounds like when hot. Cold time the sound is much louder.

Feel is very subjective and your car setup and mine is different so result will differ....
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Nice sharing bro. Would actually ecu would recompensate the higher fuel flowing? Was just thinking because the stock ecu has a pre determined set of fuel settings it would adhere to. Have you done anything on the throttle lag of gaga?

Hehe share share boss. notworthy.gif
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post Mar 17 2015, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Mar 17 2015, 01:07 PM)
I don't feel any lag in my throttle respond. Step..Go...Step..Go..

Your fuel pressure is regulated by the Fuel Pressure Regulator (FPR), on stock car the stock FPR controls the pressure via a spring attached to a diaphragm not the ECU. ECU only monitors the fuel flow rate and pressure then adjust the PD (Pulse Duration) of injector to control how long the nozzle to stay open and the PD reduces as engine RPM increase. For Borsch injector they are reliable up to 85% of their duty cycle anymore and they will start to fail.

By now you should understand how the injector works and how it is controlled. So you ask will the EU compensate the higher flow rate. The ECU will only control the PD of the injector. Your fuel flow rate will increase once you swap to a high pressure high flow FP. The FPR will detect the higher pressure due to higher flow and regulate it. But due to the higher flow rate even with the FPR trying to bring down the pressure to stock set level. Technically speaking your fuel delivery /hr is still higher than stock pump hence your whole fuel line is has a higher pressure than stock.

The ECU has it's own fuel mapping but it will change slightly to match with the increased fuel but to an extend only. As I have not fully let the Walbro run at higher efficiency so the stock mapping still an coupe with the changes but from my usage I've noticed Fuel Consumption has increased.

Why I change to a high flow fuel pump is because on dyno my AFR is showing leaning issues at Mid to High rev range and overall the AFR is on the lean side starting from low. As I'm preparing to redo my entire fuel delivery system (returnless to return type) I drop in the Fuel Pump 1st then later on will put in an adjustable FPR to regulate and increased the fuel pressure where the stock FPR will not be able to handle anymore.

I drop in the Fuel Pump as a testing actually wanted to see how a high flow FP whether will help to reduce the leaning issue to a certain level and it did. My Mid to high rev now is much stronger compare to before where I can feel the engine starving for fuel. The stock FP was not able to deliver quick enough to supply the engine needs hence on dyno the graph shows a constant ----- only instead of keep going upwards until the fuel cut off kicks in.

Since not much info have gone into detail of the problem, I took things to my own and use my own car as a test bed. I've tried using a SR20 fuel rail but it was not a fit. injector outlet was off by few MM and with the stock pump it will not able to supply enough pressure at all to the larger fuel rail so with now the increased pressure. I'm dropping in bigger fuel rails and see what happens.
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Throttle lag for mine would be sometimes when starting in 1st gear, has to be slightly earlier press on throttle, if not sluggish. Sometimes on double clutching on rev-match I do experience throttle opened not big enough though my step on throttle is a lot, it came to a point where I now consider on electronic throttle controller to maybe up the sensitivity of the throttle.

Maybe going for dyno would see some figures, do report on any improvements. I believe after some time the ECU would recompensate on your higher fuel pressure, hopefully would give a positive outcome, ultimately the best would still be a modified ecu eh?

When going for next dyno? Feel wana join, hopefully on a Saturdeh so that I want to know how is my own gaga feel, in numbers; readable and compatible. nod.gif
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Mar 17 2015, 08:47 PM)
Ayam glad that maikar is BLM, can kompatibulu with Datsun Sunny 130Y, oso can kompatibulu with many NISMO part that fits Langley 1.5 tebu whistling.gif If I were to consider upgred gebox, probably will be Personga/Gentut/BLM TAXI Mitshi gebox. Atleast I get to use Rallyart. Good lark with getrug gebox whistling.gif
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Wa mia getrag la yawn.gif

European gearbox mah whistling.gif
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QUOTE(drfeelgood @ Mar 17 2015, 07:30 PM)
Just got back my Flx yesterday. Did the repairs at Proton SC.

Well it was the pump that gave way. Luckily clutch all okay. Damnit... the pump made in China...  mad.gif  vmad.gif

Surely lah the quality like sheet....

Total cost Rm750 +..
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How long you would be in Melaka bro?

Jom meet up & Bazinga! whistling.gif

Side note: pergh itu getrag manual oil price yawn.gif
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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Mar 18 2015, 01:07 PM)
No, the ECU won't need to take few days to re-compensate back the chance in fuel pressure. It will know immediately since there's an O2 sensor. They ECU will know if you running lean or rich once the engine start and drive. It will control the PD on the injector reduce the opening timing. But just look it like this since the pressure is higher before the injector and when the injector opens it will still spray more fuel due to the higher flow rate n pressure.

Just imagine your house water hose
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10psi - you open the hose nozzle for 2 secs it spray velocity is 30
20psi - you open the hose nozzle (ECU change) for 1 secs it spray velocity is 50

You see the relation here? it's just example la for easy understanding. As you increase the input pressure the spray out velocity will increase it measn you get more fuel into the CC faster at higher pressure.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Oh just a small info, your sage injector is 6 holes in an arrangement like this ---> ( ) 3 holes on each side. Spray pattern is in circular form surrounding the spark plug.
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Ah roughly understand la boss. So far does the higher fuel pressure helps better efficiency? I'm just curious since ecu would automatically readjust to different fuel pressure then why ah your gaga running lean at some rpm? Would it be somewhere problem instead?

Pardon my noobness, curious in this category of knowledge. If indeed better regulated fuel pressure can produce efficient burning or even more power, it could be next in line for my upgrade. notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(Jusb @ Mar 18 2015, 06:19 PM)
My mechanic said my engine mount is bad that's why car is vibrating. Shall I get OEM engine mount? Since Proton engine mounting doesn't seem to last.    hmm.gif
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OEM je, original mount are balance in terms of comfort and stability, but got aftermarket mounts kah for gaga? hmm.gif

QUOTE(drfeelgood @ Mar 18 2015, 09:07 PM)
Use protong manual oil lor..
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Yalor boss, hehehe. Thanks for showing the price. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(drfeelgood @ Mar 18 2015, 09:17 PM)
Bro. You and Bazinga based in Malacca is it? Ok my next trip down i let you guys know.
I am more based in JB/Singapore and some say Batam...
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Bazinga! He's from Melaka based in KL, sometimes balik kampung we meet up kejap. I stay at Melaka based in a small town in Johor. yawn.gif
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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Mar 19 2015, 07:22 AM)
Campro is a funny engine. On stock form it had good AF ratio but once u do something to improve the air going into the engine it goes lean. Because Campro is using MAP sensor instead of MAF. It cannot detect the changes in air volume, the MAP sensor only senses vacuum level in the IM to determine the engine's load vacuum example no vacuum = ECU detects WOT, vacuum at max = ECU detects idling.

Do you get the idea now? Why Campro can run lean. correct me if im wrong, our O2 sensor is not wide band type.
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Ahhh, so the O2 sensor is the culprit. Boleh change tu kah boss? Then settle problen di hehehee. Maybe Proton has all of this determined and set to run optimum at stock, very not-modifiable-instruments. Use stock air filter bro. tongue.gif

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