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post Feb 13 2015, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(bloodchow2 @ Feb 12 2015, 07:16 PM)
one of the supplement store recommend me to take mass gainer to bulk up, so do they worth it? 1900 calorie for dymatize super mass gainer for RM 140-170. They contain loads of maltodextrin, they are basically carbohydrate but the huge differences compare this to traditional rice/oats is rate of digestion. Maltodextrin is a cheap source of carbohydrate that digest as fast as sugar according to wikipedia and it costs only $1 USD/lb while rice digest slowly, but I dont like to eat rice anyway

if I were to take mass gainers I would be taking half of the serving size of mass gainer just before weight lifting (900), breakfast (200), lunch+dinner (1400) total 2500 calorie, just above my tdee 2000 calorie to achieve calorie surplus for bulking

another more expensive alternative way is to buy 100% low carb whey protein, huge bags of oats, glucolin glucose (dextrose), full fat powdered milk and add them all together like this :

2 cups milk
0.5 cup oat
2 scoops whey protein
3 tablespoon glucose

around 1000 calorie for this shake to substitute mass gainer

glucose and table sugar is different, glucose is simple carbohydrate but the sugar that you always consume in mamak store, whatever sweet product out there is made up of table sugar thats contain basically 50% glucose and 50% fructose, fructose flood your liver so much until it develop fat
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I would suggest you to restrain from taking them mass gainers for these reasons:

1. Quality of ingredients (which you already covered and suggest an alternative, props to that).
2. Dependency issue. When you managed to gain more muscle mass, your TDEE will increase thus your caloric requirement will increase too. Do you want to consume more mass gainers?
3. Eating capability. Mass gainers does not train nor increase your eating capability which will make your dependency issue worsen and may hinder your progress.

My suggestion would be to consume whole food and eat them. If you can't consume all in your standard meal, split them into 4/5/6 meals (which almost all bodybuilders do this).

You don't like rice? There are plenty of rice substitute. You can eat spaghetti, potatoes, brown rice, bread and so on so forth. try to avoid mass gainers if you will.
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degraw1993, Armesh

Chill guys, no need to jump and slit each other throat here. The purpose of this forum is to help other people that requires help. If both of you fail to understand that, then your help is not needed in the forum.

I can safely say that I've been in this section far longer than both of you. Yes, there are a lot of not so intelligent questions being asked but if both of you can only answered them all with harsh way or just reply them to google for answer, then better don't answer them.

If both of you feel that it your obligation to answer those questions, do answer them properly. We want to make them newcomers to feel welcome. If they are intimidated by the gym, do we want to make them to be intimidated by us?

Thanks for understanding.
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post Feb 13 2015, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Feb 13 2015, 12:50 AM)
degraw1993, Armesh

Chill guys, no need to jump and slit each other throat here. The purpose of this forum is to help other people that requires help. If both of you fail to understand that, then your help is not needed in the forum.

I can safely say that I've been in this section far longer than both of you. Yes, there are a lot of not so intelligent questions being asked but if both of you can only answered them all with harsh way or just reply them to google for answer, then better don't answer them.

If both of you feel that it your obligation to answer those questions, do answer them properly. We want to make them newcomers to feel welcome. If they are intimidated by the gym, do we want to make them to be intimidated by us?

Thanks for understanding.
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post Feb 13 2015, 01:30 AM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Feb 13 2015, 12:21 AM)
I would suggest you to restrain from taking them mass gainers for these reasons:

1. Quality of ingredients (which you already covered and suggest an alternative, props to that).
2. Dependency issue. When you managed to gain more muscle mass, your TDEE will increase thus your caloric requirement will increase too. Do you want to consume more mass gainers?
3. Eating capability. Mass gainers does not train nor increase your eating capability which will make your dependency issue worsen and may hinder your progress.

My suggestion would be to consume whole food and eat them. If you can't consume all in your standard meal, split them into 4/5/6 meals (which almost all bodybuilders do this).

You don't like rice? There are plenty of rice substitute. You can eat spaghetti, potatoes, brown rice, bread and so on so forth. try to avoid mass gainers if you will.
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i think i will be skipping mass gainer notworthy.gif oat is quite expensive sometimes thou, the high quality oats in my home using bg22 cost like RM 60+ per bottle 400g, i think the cheap 1 will do, anyway thanks for your reply laugh.gif
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post Feb 13 2015, 01:35 AM

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QUOTE(bloodchow2 @ Feb 13 2015, 01:30 AM)
i think i will be skipping mass gainer  notworthy.gif oat is quite expensive sometimes thou, the high quality oats in my home using bg22 cost like RM 60+ per bottle 400g, i think the cheap 1 will do, anyway thanks for your reply  laugh.gif
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Anyway a solid tip I can share with you is .... get Peanut Butter! Anytime I need a calorie boost, I just sapu only, it's also high in protein.


https://www.facebook.com/SkinnyToBuff90day/...8589866/?type=1

https://www.facebook.com/SkinnyToBuff90day/...5405447/?type=1

https://www.facebook.com/SkinnyToBuff90day/...5822109/?type=1

Just combo that with eggs and you're set. I buy the Econsave one, cheapest and great. And go get some olive oil too to drink.
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QUOTE(Armesh @ Feb 13 2015, 01:35 AM)
Anyway a solid tip I can share with you is .... get Peanut Butter! Anytime I need a calorie boost, I just sapu only, it's also high in protein.
https://www.facebook.com/SkinnyToBuff90day/...8589866/?type=1

https://www.facebook.com/SkinnyToBuff90day/...5405447/?type=1

https://www.facebook.com/SkinnyToBuff90day/...5822109/?type=1

Just combo that with eggs and you're set. I buy the Econsave one, cheapest and great. And go get some olive oil too to drink.
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make sure your peanut butter is free of hydrogenated oil.
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post Feb 13 2015, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(Armesh @ Feb 13 2015, 01:35 AM)
Anyway a solid tip I can share with you is .... get Peanut Butter! Anytime I need a calorie boost, I just sapu only, it's also high in protein.
https://www.facebook.com/SkinnyToBuff90day/...8589866/?type=1

https://www.facebook.com/SkinnyToBuff90day/...5405447/?type=1

https://www.facebook.com/SkinnyToBuff90day/...5822109/?type=1

Just combo that with eggs and you're set. I buy the Econsave one, cheapest and great. And go get some olive oil too to drink.
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can i use nutella instead? calories come from fat isnt a good idea right?
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post Feb 13 2015, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(bloodchow2 @ Feb 13 2015, 09:58 AM)
can i use nutella instead? calories come from fat isnt a good idea right?
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so far i found this peanut butter taste good.... i got it from jaya grocer.... a bit pricey but better...

http://ilovepeanutbutter.com/index.php/pea...crunchtime.html
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QUOTE(bloodchow2 @ Feb 12 2015, 07:16 PM)
one of the supplement store recommend me to take mass gainer to bulk up, so do they worth it? 1900 calorie for dymatize super mass gainer for RM 140-170. They contain loads of maltodextrin, they are basically carbohydrate but the huge differences compare this to traditional rice/oats is rate of digestion. Maltodextrin is a cheap source of carbohydrate that digest as fast as sugar according to wikipedia and it costs only $1 USD/lb while rice digest slowly, but I dont like to eat rice anyway

if I were to take mass gainers I would be taking half of the serving size of mass gainer just before weight lifting (900), breakfast (200), lunch+dinner (1400) total 2500 calorie, just above my tdee 2000 calorie to achieve calorie surplus for bulking

another more expensive alternative way is to buy 100% low carb whey protein, huge bags of oats, glucolin glucose (dextrose), full fat powdered milk and add them all together like this :

2 cups milk
0.5 cup oat
2 scoops whey protein
3 tablespoon glucose

around 1000 calorie for this shake to substitute mass gainer

glucose and table sugar is different, glucose is simple carbohydrate but the sugar that you always consume in mamak store, whatever sweet product out there is made up of table sugar thats contain basically 50% glucose and 50% fructose, fructose flood your liver so much until it develop fat
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well i am not totally against weight gainer because i took it few years back... just make sure you keep lifting hard and know your target weight. last time i used weight gainer and managed to gain 10kg.... muscle and fat..... once reached my target then i stop...so far my weight maintained....

last year i started my lifting again and purely on whey for post workout only...no more weight gainer cause different aim this time. shed fat and body toning... calculate tdee, track calories and eat cleanly if possible.....

personally i think mass gainer is there for a reason..... for those who can't or lazy to eat lots of clean food or for watever reason... if you think you need it then just take it.. as long you know the pros and cons....

QUOTE(alien9 @ Feb 13 2015, 12:50 AM)
degraw1993, Armesh

Chill guys, no need to jump and slit each other throat here. The purpose of this forum is to help other people that requires help. If both of you fail to understand that, then your help is not needed in the forum.

I can safely say that I've been in this section far longer than both of you. Yes, there are a lot of not so intelligent questions being asked but if both of you can only answered them all with harsh way or just reply them to google for answer, then better don't answer them.

If both of you feel that it your obligation to answer those questions, do answer them properly. We want to make them newcomers to feel welcome. If they are intimidated by the gym, do we want to make them to be intimidated by us?

Thanks for understanding.
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wah i so de like your comments..... give you ++++++ 1


by the way, just a question, reading darkie stickies darklight79, he does mentioned to grow big need to eat more.... but can i just grow strong...? i can put all the macro meet.. while having the same weight but achieve heavy lift?
does it sound illogical to have small but strong muscle which can lift heavy weight ?? hmm.gif hmm.gif



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post Feb 13 2015, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(calapia @ Feb 13 2015, 11:38 AM)
by the way, just a question, reading darkie stickies darklight79, he does mentioned to grow big need to eat more.... but can i just grow strong...? i can put all the macro meet.. while having the same weight but achieve heavy lift?
does it sound illogical to have small but strong muscle which can lift heavy weight ?? hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Powerlifter which concentrate on lifting big without worrying size compared to bodybuilder(or physique model) that mostly concentrate on getting big have different training method.

BUT beginner or advanced beginner don't need to worry about that at all. So I would recommend just pick a basic routine including bench, squat, deadlift and incorporating some isolation movement.

As for diet, if you want to get bigger in size, eat more. If you want to grow stronger, eating at maintenance won't last you far though. I believe even powerlifter will go through some bulking and cutting.

ps, the guy above is beast. He is borned powerlifter lol.
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post Feb 13 2015, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Feb 13 2015, 06:38 AM)
make sure your peanut butter is free of hydrogenated oil.
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Actually it does have hydrogenated oil. REad in Will Brink's book before it's bad but not so sure about it is that harmful. Will research.

QUOTE(bloodchow2 @ Feb 13 2015, 09:58 AM)
can i use nutella instead? calories come from fat isnt a good idea right?
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You can do a all fat protein diet also, nothing wrong. Suit yourself. As long you are in a surplus and get your 1g gram protein/pound you weight you will gain muscle.
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QUOTE(bloodchow2 @ Feb 13 2015, 09:58 AM)
can i use nutella instead? calories come from fat isnt a good idea right?
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Fat don't make you fat. Don't worry about that.

I take Steffi's Peanut Butter cause it's no sugar. If Ladies' Choice creamy peanut butter, i'll puke cause too many sugar. Pick the one that suits you where u can take more than 2tablespoons.

QUOTE(alien9 @ Feb 13 2015, 11:56 AM)
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This post has been edited by Amedion: Feb 13 2015, 01:31 PM
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QUOTE(alien9 @ Feb 13 2015, 11:56 AM)
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QUOTE(-ccy- @ Feb 13 2015, 12:50 PM)
Powerlifter which concentrate on lifting big without worrying size compared to bodybuilder(or physique model) that mostly concentrate on getting big have different training method.

BUT beginner or advanced beginner don't need to worry about that at all. So I would recommend just pick a basic routine including bench, squat, deadlift and incorporating some isolation movement.

As for diet, if you want to get bigger in size, eat more. If you want to grow stronger, eating at maintenance won't last you far though. I believe even powerlifter will go through some bulking and cutting.

ps, the guy above is beast. He is borned powerlifter lol.
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yea i am still just a beginner.... hehe. standard rippietoe basic routine.... i will see how far i can grow with my maintenance mode.... sweat.gif

This post has been edited by calapia: Feb 13 2015, 01:30 PM
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QUOTE(calapia @ Feb 13 2015, 11:38 AM)
by the way, just a question, reading darkie stickies darklight79, he does mentioned to grow big need to eat more.... but can i just grow strong...? i can put all the macro meet.. while having the same weight but achieve heavy lift?
does it sound illogical to have small but strong muscle which can lift heavy weight ?? hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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How this works is like this.

You CAN get strong running a strength program while eating at maintenance or even sometimes while cutting. But if you are cutting, you might not gain any muscle even if you gain strength. Strength is mostly CNS/neural.

On the other hand, if you run a strength program, and eat in a surplus, you will gain muscle with strength. It's all about the surplus.

This guy never eats a surplus and always trains for strength


This post has been edited by Armesh: Feb 13 2015, 01:36 PM
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QUOTE(Armesh @ Feb 13 2015, 01:29 PM)
Actually it does have hydrogenated oil. REad in Will Brink's book before it's bad but not so sure about it is that harmful. Will research.
You can do a all fat protein diet also, nothing wrong. Suit yourself. As long you are in a surplus and get your 1g gram protein/pound you weight you will gain muscle.
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i find most cheap peanut butter out there have hydrogenated oil. if you want good quality peanut butter, they usually cost RM10-20 per jar.
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QUOTE(Armesh @ Feb 13 2015, 01:33 PM)
How this works is like this.

You CAN get strong running a strength program while eating at maintenance or even sometimes while cutting. But if you are cutting, you might not gain any muscle even if you gain strength. Strength is mostly CNS/neural.

On the other hand, if you run a strength program, and eat in a surplus, you will gain muscle with strength. It's all about the surplus.

This guy never eats a surplus and always trains for strength

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I second this . Very true .


I've been on a deficit for a few month now since the start of this year, yet manage to hit a new PR in my 3 big lifts

This post has been edited by kshen: Feb 13 2015, 04:32 PM
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post Feb 13 2015, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(Armesh @ Feb 13 2015, 01:33 PM)
How this works is like this.

You CAN get strong running a strength program while eating at maintenance or even sometimes while cutting. But if you are cutting, you might not gain any muscle even if you gain strength. Strength is mostly CNS/neural.

On the other hand, if you run a strength program, and eat in a surplus, you will gain muscle with strength. It's all about the surplus.

This guy never eats a surplus and always trains for strength

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QUOTE(kshen @ Feb 13 2015, 04:31 PM)
I second this . Very true .
I've been on a deficit for a few month now since the start of this year, yet manage to hit a new PR in my 3 big lifts
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great...i want to be strong....don't want to be big.... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(degraw1993 @ Feb 12 2015, 10:38 PM)
So what's ur progress? Don't forget to put ur picture after 3 months ok? I bet you'll be remain skinny as fuck. Btw i don't even give a fuck about your max
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QUOTE(calapia @ Feb 13 2015, 04:42 PM)
great...i want to be strong....don't want to be big....  sweat.gif
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Ah, the good ol' "I don't wanna be big". I can totally agree to this, it's one of the main reason why I don't play chess that often. I don't wanna accidentally be the grand master. I understand wholeheartedly.

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