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Boon3
post Mar 12 2015, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Mar 12 2015, 08:19 PM)
Nah opportunity cost is what you lose by holding the stock (if you are not making money from it) and not putting it in FD.
Huh?
This is a new type of opportunity cost. LOL!

QUOTE(wodenus @ Mar 12 2015, 08:19 PM)
For a stock with good fundamentals, there's no "wrong" price. The only requirement is that the fundamentals are good and stay good.

Some cases in point: Maybank, IGBREIT, Sunway etc. If the fundamentals are good just buy it. A bit expensive also doesn't matter, if it's good it will eventually rise above your price. Only thing is whether it will beat FD or not.. smile.gif

You won't lose investing in a good company with solid fundamentals, unless the fundamentals cease becoming solid.
huh?
no wrong price?

Can just buy any good stock at any price and just hold the stock?

So gark, I tell you stocks is so easy to make money.

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post Mar 12 2015, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(vNirvana @ Mar 12 2015, 08:24 PM)
I guess that is one of the problem every "newbie" facing .. like me, blush.gif  very new and got limited knowledge to the market..
When i first start in equity market and even until now.. i always take some time to look at the fundamental of the company.
and recently, I only started to learn TA myself thru the online source and some guidance from the sifu here.

too bad, everytime when i decided to enter, the price started to go up.. and I will be in a dilemma, whether I should
go for it no matter what price is it or wait until the price come down.  cry.gif
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I did fake trading for many years ........ thumbup.gif
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post Mar 12 2015, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 12 2015, 08:30 PM)
Huh?
This is a new type of opportunity cost. LOL!
huh?
no wrong price?

Can just buy any good stock at any price and just hold the stock?

So gark, I tell you stocks is so easy to make money.

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Yup, I'm serious. As long as the fundamentals are good and stay good you won't lose money. If you get a good price you will beat FD, if you get a bad price you will lose to FD. That is the worst risk if the fundamentals remain sound smile.gif

Let me put it this way : the bank is willing to lend you money with those shares as collateral. Do you think they would do that if they thought they'd not make money long term from it? smile.gif


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post Mar 12 2015, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Mar 12 2015, 08:35 PM)
Yup, I'm serious. As long as the fundamentals are good and stay good you won't lose money. If you get a good price you will beat FD, if you get a bad price you will lose to FD. That is the worst risk if the fundamentals remain sound smile.gif

Let me put it this way : the bank is willing to lend you money with those shares as collateral. Do you think they would do that if they thought they'd not make money long term from it?
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if I'm not mistaken, they would only lend you up to about 70%+++ of the value of your pledged Blue Chip Stocks

Doesn't apply to normal stocks of small companies.

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 12 2015, 10:16 AM)
Prepare for the long ride..  rclxms.gif
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Its still green so i guess ill sell it off if it drops and minimise my amount of profit.
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QUOTE(wodenus @ Mar 12 2015, 08:35 PM)
Yup, I'm serious. As long as the fundamentals are good and stay good you won't lose money. If you get a good price you will beat FD, if you get a bad price you will lose to FD. That is the worst risk if the fundamentals remain sound smile.gif

Let me put it this way : the bank is willing to lend you money with those shares as collateral. Do you think they would do that if they thought they'd not make money long term from it? smile.gif
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Sorry but I seriously do not agree with you at all and I am absolutely amused and bewildered by your definition of opportunity cost.

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post Mar 12 2015, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Mar 12 2015, 08:43 PM)
if I'm not mistaken, they would only lend you up to about 70%+++ of the value of your pledged Blue Chip Stocks

Doesn't apply to normal stocks of small companies.
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Yea well wasn't talking about small companies. Do small companies even have good fundamentals anyway.
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 12 2015, 08:30 PM)
Huh?
This is a new type of opportunity cost. LOL!
huh?
no wrong price?

Can just buy any good stock at any price and just hold the stock?

So gark, I tell you stocks is so easy to make money.

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Opportunity cost is what someone losses/not being able to choose anymore due to what he has chosen in his current act, right ? smile.gif

Example, having 10k and dumping it into FD prevents you from using that same money and investing it in stocks and being able to generate a higher return
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QUOTE(wodenus @ Mar 12 2015, 08:35 PM)
Yup, I'm serious. As long as the fundamentals are good and stay good you won't lose money. If you get a good price you will beat FD, if you get a bad price you will lose to FD. That is the worst risk if the fundamentals remain sound smile.gif

Let me put it this way : the bank is willing to lend you money with those shares as collateral. Do you think they would do that if they thought they'd not make money long term from it? smile.gif
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 7 2015, 02:31 PM)
So your portfolio is red.
What is it telling you?

1. You bought the wrong stock.
2. You bought the 'right' stock at the wrong price.

Either way you are wrong.

When you average down, you are buying more of your 'wrong'.... does this sound right strategy for you?
Problem is ... most will DENY number 1.
they keep telling themselves they bought the 'right' stock but due to poor luck they say they got it an unlucky price...
they always tell themselves, don't worry...
I no sell I no lose....
I got the power man!
I can hold ...
I can wait and wait for the stock to recover......
sometimes....
I guess as LUCK has it...
the stock never recover...
after many donkey years....

then... also.... due to LUCK again....
they need emergency cash....

now what do they do?
they force to swallow the bitter pill...
and sell at a heavy loss.
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post Mar 12 2015, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Mar 12 2015, 08:48 PM)


Example, having 10k and dumping it into FD prevents you from using that same money and investing it in stocks and being able to generate a higher return
Well how does one know that when one invest in stocks, one will EVEN make money?


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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 12 2015, 08:45 PM)
Sorry but I seriously do not agree with you at all and I am absolutely amused and bewildered by your definition of opportunity cost.

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From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost :

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In microeconomic theory, the opportunity cost of a choice is the value of the best alternative forgone, in a situation in which a choice needs to be made between several mutually exclusive alternatives given limited resources. Assuming the best choice is made, it is the "cost" incurred by not enjoying the benefit that would be had by taking the second best choice available.


Say you have 10K spare cash. You can choose to keep it in FD or invest it in the market. Say FD rates are 3.5%. For simplicity's sake let us assume that the 10-year average FD rate is 3%. So at the end of 10 years in FD, you would have made a little more than 30% (if we consider compounding as well.) We'll just say you will make 30% to make things easy.

Now suppose your investment ends up making you 15% average in that ten years. This means you didn't lose money, but instead made money right? but that's only 15%.

So now we compare FD and investment, and we can see that we made the wrong decision, even if we did make money, because we would have made 15% more with less risk.

This 15% that we lost is called opportunity cost.

So you can see that if we invested the money, we didn't lose money, but we "lost money" compared to FD.

We always assume that we made the best choice, but only time will tell whether it was really the best choice. If it turns out that we didn't make the best choice, then we would have lost the money we could have had if we did make the best choice.

This money that we "lost" is called the opportunity cost.

This is also what I mean when I say, if you invest at the wrong price, and it's a good company with solid fundamentals you won't lose money. You might "lose" money compared to FD, but the ringgit value of your investment will pretty much always be higher.

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 12 2015, 08:59 PM)
Well how does one know that when one invest in stocks, one will EVEN make money?
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what i meant was that when you do one thing, then you can't do something else due to restrictions.

Placing your money in fd prevents you from investing in stocks. Winning or loosing is a different story.


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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 12 2015, 08:34 PM)
I did fake trading for many years ........  thumbup.gif
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bro, what do you mean by fake trading ??? blink.gif


and all of sudden so many sifu start to discuss about opportunity cost ..
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KUALA LUMPUR (Mar 12): Bursa Malaysia Securities Bhd ( Financial Dashboard) has advised investors to exercise caution in the trading of Wintoni Group Bhd ( Financial Dashboard)'s shares and its warrant stock, WINTONI-WA, following the recent sharp rise in the prices of both counters.


http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/b...-wintoni-shares

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 7 2015, 02:31 PM)
So your portfolio is red.
What is it telling you?

1. You bought the wrong stock.
2. You bought the 'right' stock at the wrong price.

Either way you are wrong.

When you average down, you are buying more of your 'wrong'.... does this sound right strategy for you?
Problem is ... most will DENY number 1.
they keep telling themselves they bought the 'right' stock but due to poor luck they say they got it an unlucky price...
they always tell themselves, don't worry...
I no sell I no lose....
I got the power man!
I can hold ...
I can wait and wait for the stock to recover......
sometimes....
I guess as LUCK has it...
the stock never recover...
after many donkey years....

then... also.... due to LUCK again....
they need emergency cash....

now what do they do?
they force to swallow the bitter pill...
and sell at a heavy loss.
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Gambling is luck.. investing is not so much dependent on luck. We have less than 10% of total net worth invested in equities. We can wait.. show me a company with continuously good fundamentals which has actually lost money long term.

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post Mar 12 2015, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Mar 12 2015, 09:01 PM)
what i meant was that when you do one thing, then you can't do something else due to restrictions.

Placing your money in fd prevents you from investing in stocks. Winning or loosing is a different story.
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Yes, I understand that if you do one thing, it will prevent you from doing others.... smile.gif


Placing your money in fd prevents you from investing in stocks. Winning or loosing is a different story.


Well... exactly.

the point is simple: winning or losing is a different story.

If that's the case.... how do you define it exactly as an opportunity cost?

LOL!

I dunno how cos when I trade a stock, I never will have the balls to say I will win cos there's a chance I could have screwed up my reason to speculate and trade the stock wrongly.

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QUOTE(vNirvana @ Mar 12 2015, 09:13 PM)
bro, what do you mean by fake trading ??? blink.gif
and all of sudden so many sifu start to discuss about opportunity cost ..
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Paper trade my friend.

Never be silly and simply pay tuition fees learning stocks.

Tuition fees in the stock market is no like any other.

There's a chance one can lose so badly that one will lose their life worth of trousers.




Opportunity costs?
LOL!
If you want to be good in the market...
Throw that away.
Learn how to trade/invest in the market....
Know and understand the risks involved at all times.

That's more important.....

If you know that well, you will understand why and when to buy and not buy a share.

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QUOTE(zDarkForceSz @ Mar 12 2015, 08:50 PM)
Quote from boon
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Actually I do not know what you are trying to reply........... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Le Don @ Mar 12 2015, 09:16 PM)
Eat too much WontonMi is not good for health  whistling.gif 
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/b...-wintoni-shares
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LOL.. stay away from the small caps unless you know what you are doing smile.gif

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 12 2015, 09:27 PM)
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Actually I do not know what you are trying to reply........... tongue.gif
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you dunno never mind, he know enough liao tongue.gif
just borrowing your word~

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