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vNirvana
post Mar 6 2015, 10:15 PM

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good day to all the sifu,
Im new to the market and still find it difficult to understand some of the market and corporate news..

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/t...?type=Corporate

Why tnb want integrax so much ? is it tnb only want to ensure the constant supply ? or there might be other reason behind ?
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post Mar 8 2015, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 7 2015, 10:17 AM)
Integrax currently own the purposed built coal bulking port which supplies 3 of TNB coal fired plants. TNB currently holds 20% of Integrax as JV, with Perak govt another 20% and with Alim Halim Rasip holding the majority at 25% and have 25 years contract with TNB for coal shipping and debulking at the port.

Currently TNB ships about 3 million tons of coal through the port, and with plans for power plant no 4 and 5 currently building, expected throughput will be 5 million tons of coal per year. Basically Integrax acts like 'toll' for TNB's coal requirements. Almost 95% of integrax income is from debullking coal for TNB, as it was custom built to TNB's requirements.

So once the new powerplants are up, Integrax earning is expected to be boosted >50%. looking at the high margin lucrative business, and also there are no other suitable location for ports nearby (Integrax owns a swath of land around TNB power station) the only way to avoid 'leakage; of profits is to acquire all of Integrax.
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Thank you very much for your kind reply. I have a quick look on the quarter report. the profit was increasing.
With the no 4 and 5 in the future > boosted >50% is it going to be a potential company to be invest in long term ?

no wonder why TNB insisi of getting it..



QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 7 2015, 06:44 PM)
Dude...
You know this is a public forum and that there's no way I want to be involved in TELLING you what to do exactly.
I cannot be responsible for your money.

OK?

Hope we get this off on the right track....

ok?

I tried to understand your first two sentences...

company is on track and facing profit loses due to world market price volatile? And people are panic selling?
Is not saying company having loses, it might just earn lesser.


is the company losing money or not?
or earning lesser?

anyway, it doesn't matter....

take a step back...

ask yourself a simple question......

if you know what you think you know about the company NOW....
would you have bought this stock earlier?
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Yeah.. an example in skpetrol, O and G sectors, the price is too volatile and when more negative news from the company, people start to panic sell. But the question here is how long will it take to recover the share price ?
Im still very new in the market. When i first bought this counter, the fundamental looks ok to me, but i never expect the oil price will drop until so low .. cry.gif

after reading all the comment from the sifu here, I wondering should I let go my o&G share before it go further down...

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post Mar 9 2015, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(ShinG3e @ Mar 8 2015, 01:21 PM)
it will go up... but the question is when?  laugh.gif

i remember when i first started, i go for stocks below RM1.00. slowly make profit from there and learn from mistakes. from there appetite increased to stocks below RM2.00. make profit and get a lil confidence in your fundamental skills. then slowly crawl up to stocks RM3.00 and above.  laugh.gif
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ya.. im learning fundamental analysis.. but not a good start for the 1st time in the market . Bought skpetro and Cimb after study their annual report but never expect the external news hurt both counter so much. Anyway, I'm still holding both, when the price keep coming down, I started to suspect my own skill.. maybe i should really ready to cut loss... Anyone daikok got comment on this 2 counter ? icon_question.gif


QUOTE(tehoice @ Mar 9 2015, 09:35 AM)
actually i dont think so for the case from the perspective of TNB, they are the largest company in malaysia. the situation is like elephant vs a dog/cat type of size. profits of integrax is insignificant to TNB despite consolidation.

the reason why the take over was because of the synergistic move for TNB.
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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 9 2015, 10:19 AM)
The current price is already priced in..  rolleyes.gif
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Thats the reason why integrax shareholder refuse to sell ? once tnb take control over integrax. they able to control over the management? rclxub.gif



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post Mar 9 2015, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Mar 9 2015, 03:21 PM)
That happens to me most of the time cry.gif
Im ready to buy Petdagang once it touches 16.
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im very scare of the o&g sector now.... holding skpetro but dunno want to let go or not

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post Mar 10 2015, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(ShinG3e @ Mar 9 2015, 07:50 PM)
you letting go? i'm looking to go in again.  brows.gif
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Mar 10 2015, 01:33 PM)
Price pretty much moving sideways for now...drop or up 1 or 2 sens daily....

However wti oil price have recovered a bit...
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I didnt hold much actually. loss the direction when the price keep coming down.. newbie ma... blush.gif
but lots of analysis comments that the o&g will takes some time to rebounce...
hold or sell.. I still havent decide yet..

How about you ? which counter you targeting ?


QUOTE(tehoice @ Mar 9 2015, 11:55 PM)
of course, if not why do you want to take over a company? put a board rep in it when you have 100% shareholdings? then let the rest to run your business?
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Thanks for the answer dude rclxms.gif



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post Mar 11 2015, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Mar 11 2015, 10:14 AM)
Just picked up skpetroll yesterday. one of the 2 green counter for me today.lol. Suprisingly , stock market holding up quite well, expect to at least puke 15 to 20 points in the begining
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Mine still in red red.. wondering should buy in the low price to average down..

but o&g .. wondering how long it gonna takes to recover ..

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post Mar 11 2015, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 11 2015, 06:00 PM)
Its gonna take a long long while...  nod.gif

Make sure you have a comfortable seat.. and able to hold on to losses if you decide to play OnG stocks. If no patience or emotion to hold on.. then better not touch.  sweat.gif

I think no recovery can be forseen in between 1-2 years time.  laugh.gif
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That's why.. im just afraid of my holding power.. still new to the market, cannot tahan any big move... everytime when got news about o&g.. i will start shaking rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

maybe is time to move to rubber sector in MY ? especially those based on export?

I saw your post about karex, is it the right time to collect ?

btw, thx you very much arjan gark! for the comment notworthy.gif notworthy.gif



QUOTE(backspace66 @ Mar 11 2015, 06:03 PM)
to be honest , i am not even investing in this company, merely doing a short term trading. having said that, i believe skpetro valuation is attractive but might take sometime to reach beyond rm4, that would probably need another 2 or 3 years. just my 2 cents
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with the gas price so still havent stable, and so many negative news about skpetro.. i was thinking to cut loss or breakeven if possible.. icon_question.gif If park my money over this counter... i wonder what my opportunity cost will be icon_question.gif
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post Mar 12 2015, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 12 2015, 10:16 AM)
Prepare for the long ride..  rclxms.gif
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long ride ?? blink.gif

yinson going up today but skpetro still no power sad.gif
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post Mar 12 2015, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Mar 12 2015, 10:44 AM)
Opportunity cost is always around money market rate right?
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i think this 1 need sifu @gark to answer... I m not good in all this financial things.. blush.gif
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post Mar 12 2015, 01:17 PM

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fuyoh... iris start flying.. any daikok got comment on this counter ?
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post Mar 12 2015, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 12 2015, 08:02 PM)
Would that then be defined as an opportunity?
anyway .....
'hold if fundamentals are still good' got different meanings one leh...
some hold the stock... cos they feel the stock is worth more.....

on the other hand...
some could have bought the stock at the wrong price....
and because they bought at a high price...
they feel they are compelled to hold the stock...
since they feel 'fundamentally the company is still good'.....
so they hold and hope their 'investment' recover.
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I guess that is one of the problem every "newbie" facing .. like me, blush.gif very new and got limited knowledge to the market..
When i first start in equity market and even until now.. i always take some time to look at the fundamental of the company.
and recently, I only started to learn TA myself thru the online source and some guidance from the sifu here.

too bad, everytime when i decided to enter, the price started to go up.. and I will be in a dilemma, whether I should
go for it no matter what price is it or wait until the price come down. cry.gif
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post Mar 12 2015, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 12 2015, 08:34 PM)
I did fake trading for many years ........  thumbup.gif
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bro, what do you mean by fake trading ??? blink.gif


and all of sudden so many sifu start to discuss about opportunity cost ..
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post Mar 13 2015, 03:12 PM

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LoL... all the sifu here, sometime i find it very hard to understand what you guys talking about
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"newbie" problem blush.gif
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post Mar 13 2015, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 13 2015, 03:22 PM)
You are not the only one..... sad.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 13 2015, 04:37 PM)
don't worry. somehow u may understand it slowly after reading it few times  tongue.gif

same problem here.  Noobie blush.gif  wub.gif
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yeah.. still trying to understand blush.gif blush.gif
I do realized that a lot sifu here sometime will give hints or sharing drool.gif drool.gif
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post Mar 20 2015, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 20 2015, 09:37 AM)
u made me wanna curse awal2 pagi

why can't u just name the stock??? vmad.gif
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chill sifu ~ tgif ~ rclxms.gif

7107 ORIENTAL FOOD INDUSTRIES HOLDINGS BERHAD

its start climbing already wor

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