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post Feb 3 2015, 08:11 PM

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Ucav alone is cheaps but the whole systems is really expensive.
we currently do not have any satellite that capable of operating high tier uav/ucav.
We also have to invest lots of money in the command and control facilities for the ucav as well.
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post Feb 3 2015, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Feb 3 2015, 08:43 PM)
Australia want to buy the Soryu. The Abe government seems to agree, but the Japanese Navy is reluctant to let the Australian to have the sub. Apparently, some of the technologies in the sub is decades ahead of anything that Australia can some up with, and the Japanese Military don't want to share the secret.
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unless the sub can turn into a giant robot(or a high school girl),i don't think they are that much advanced. granted the RAN only have them faulty collin class SSK, but they could get less faulty ones from South Korea. cheaper and faster to build as well

Them saying that they wont gonna help Japan in the event of China Japan war that made japanese top brass to be reluctant to share strategic assets with them

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post Feb 3 2015, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Feb 3 2015, 08:13 PM)
unless the sub can turn into a giant robot(or a high school girl),i don't think they are that much advanced. granted the RAN only have them faulty collin class SSK, but they could get less faulty ones from South Korea. cheaper and faster to build as well

Them saying that they wont gonna help Japan in the event of China Japan war that made japanese top brass to be reluctant to share strategic assets with them
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Soryu have few advance ...
- 500 meter submerge for conventional submarine.....
- size 4200 tons
- new with AIP with lithium-ion batteries tech .... advance can submerge for long hrs in sea in high-speed。

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post Feb 3 2015, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 3 2015, 08:09 PM)
iinm the talk on the engine and transmission was facilitated by the US as well but japan refused on ground they do not export any military related system  rolleyes.gif
I cant find the info again but japan instead offers on improving their (korea k2 mtu)build quality but korea just brush it off  laugh.gif

Merajuk kot
the trend now is to get a ldp as a command ship and accompanied by full fledged asw and aaw frigate

of course a destroyer would be good as well but again with tat price tag i would get more hulls to spam anti-ship than a single expensive hull tongue.gif

ask US to give their Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate, a destroyer in a frigate hull  brows.gif
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get some Oliver Hazard Perry then you made an improvement like what the Turks did with their G-Class and voila you will have a basically dedicated ASW frigate, but their Gas turbine engine same with other US made vessels is not going easy to your Navy pocket though shakehead.gif

BTW Our LDP's especially is been tasked as part of Kolinlamil (Komando Lintas Laut) roughly to be translated in English as Strategic Sealift units, but yeah sometimes they had been used in several occasion as Command Ship because their admiralty entourage facility.
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post Feb 3 2015, 08:28 PM

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PHL submits maritime defense ‘wish list’ to Japan

by Rene Acosta - February 2, 2015 0 13

The military wanted Japan to chip in to its ongoing modernization by providing to the country assets and equipment that could be used in areas of humanitarian assistance and disaster response and maritime-domain awareness.

Defense Secretary Voltaire T. Gazmin admitted on Monday that he provided his Japanese counterpart a “military wish list” that could help the country stand up to the challenge of responding to calamities and natural disaster and increased patrol of its territorial waters.

However, the defense chief refused to disclose these types of assets, other than “everything that could address our maritime security.”

Earlier, the Navy wanted Japan to provide them with brand-new patrol boats, which it could be used in patrolling and securing the country’s territorial waters, especially in the West Philippine Sea where Chinese military and paramilitary vessels are a regular sight.

Gazmin was in Tokyo last week for the Japan-Philippines Defense Ministerial Meeting wherein he met with Japanese Defense Minister Gen Nakatani.

Japan is currently locked in a territorial dispute with China over a portion of the East China Sea, while the Philippines is battling off an aggressive China over its territory in the West Philippine Sea.

During their meeting, Gazmin and Nakatani agreed that any dispute should be settled peacefully and without the use of force or coercion, in accordance with basic principles of international law.

They also reaffirmed the importance of the freedom of navigation and overflight in the high seas as they briefed each other on the situations in the East and South China Sea.

Gazmin welcomed Japan’s efforts in actively contributing to the peace and stability, not only in the region but around the world, in partnership with the international community.

Gazmin and Nakatani highlighted the progress of bilateral cooperation and exchanges between the two countries through the high-level exchanges, vice ministerial dialogue and Japan Self Defense Force’s contribution to the relief operations during Supertyphoon Yolanda.


http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/phl-submi...-list-to-japan/

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post Feb 3 2015, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Feb 3 2015, 08:21 PM)
Soryu have few advance ...
- 500 meter submerge for conventional submarine.....
- size 4200 tons
- new with AIP with lithium-ion batteries tech .... advance can submerge for long hrs in sea in high-speed。
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german 214 is not far behind.. given it german, they will sell as long u have the money tongue.gif

QUOTE(madoka @ Feb 3 2015, 08:22 PM)
get some Oliver Hazard Perry then you made an improvement like what the Turks did with their G-Class and voila you will have a basically dedicated ASW frigate, but their Gas turbine engine same with other US made vessels is not going easy to your Navy pocket though  shakehead.gif

BTW Our LDP's especially  is been tasked as part of Kolinlamil (Komando Lintas Laut) roughly to be translated in English as Strategic Sealift units, but yeah sometimes they had been used in several occasion as Command Ship because their admiralty entourage facility.
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neh.. RMN will nvr go gas turbine again laugh.gif
We didnt send an evaluation team but no news after tat, guess that the gas turbine was a turn off. Can be replace with diesal but given its limited useful age and cost, just not worth it
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post Feb 3 2015, 08:31 PM

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beggars, the lot of them. have they no shame?
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post Feb 3 2015, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 3 2015, 09:30 PM)
german 214 is not far behind.. given it german, they will sell as long u have the money  tongue.gif
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or if youre Israel , you could always play the guilt card and ask them fancy stuff for free...(and ask them to throw in a couple more stuff while youre at it)

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post Feb 3 2015, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Feb 3 2015, 08:34 PM)
or if youre Israel , you could always play the guilt card and ask them fancy stuff for free...(and ask them to throw in a couple more stuff while youre at it)
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heh, I remember you post a countryball satire about this long ago?
repost it pls
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post Feb 3 2015, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Feb 3 2015, 08:34 PM)
or if youre Israel , you could always play the guilt card and ask them fancy stuff for free...(and ask them to throw in a couple more stuff while youre at it)
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shhhh... bangsa heaven tu... whistling.gif

literally ask german to sponsor their entire submarine fleet (dolphin-class), now want to get offshore patrol vessels well below market rate or possible sponsored again rolleyes.gif
No wonder german reluctant untill they play the guilt card again whistling.gif
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post Feb 3 2015, 08:44 PM

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I don't know what in the Pinoy military brass and DoD heads, surely their budget is not too small compared with other ASEAN countries but somehow their military budget is wasted without any traces and they never had any significant procurement programme for a long years maybe decades.

Even Indonesia in the peak of 98 Asia crisis still managed to get some patrol ships and MPA aircraft indigenously
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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 3 2015, 08:44 PM)
shhhh... bangsa heaven tu... whistling.gif

literally ask german to sponsor their entire submarine fleet (dolphin-class), now want to get offshore patrol vessels well below market rate or possible sponsored again  rolleyes.gif
No wonder german reluctant untill they play the guilt card again whistling.gif
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no no must resist....

ehh tu bukan kelantan...



aisey... terlepas pulak

hahaha
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post Feb 3 2015, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Feb 3 2015, 09:43 PM)
heh, I remember you post a countryball satire about this long ago?
repost it pls
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aku carik kt mp.net sat..
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Feb 3 2015, 08:46 PM)
aku carik kt mp.net sat..
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carik...
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post Feb 3 2015, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Feb 3 2015, 08:45 PM)
no no must resist....

ehh tu bukan kelantan...
aisey... terlepas pulak

hahaha
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bangsa syurga europe tongue.gif
Even now US realised tis small country have caused so much problem and headache for them laugh.gif Padan...
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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 3 2015, 08:30 PM)
german 214 is not far behind.. given it german, they will sell as long u have the money  tongue.gif
neh.. RMN will nvr go gas turbine again  laugh.gif
We didnt send an evaluation team but no news after tat, guess that the gas turbine was a turn off. Can be replace with diesal but given its limited useful age and cost, just not worth it
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German 214 too small, then they come out Type 216 4000 tons design than propose to OZ .... but it still just a paper spec .... however Soryu already use in Japan Self defense navy, mature and proven.

RMN navy no mater how they need/face to use gas turbine if buy big ship like over 6000 tons. unless they still keep small ship.
gas turbine can provide a lot more power to ship.
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post Feb 3 2015, 08:57 PM

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Don't know why there is a lot of bashing of Airbus & Eurocopter in MP.Net especially about Tiger helicopter & A400.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showt...ut-Tiger-orders

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QUOTE(azriel @ Feb 3 2015, 08:57 PM)
Don't know why there is a lot of bashing of Airbus & Eurocopter in MP.Net especially about Tiger helicopter & A400.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showt...ut-Tiger-orders
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Petrol price force many country cut budget/spending now ....
A400M just too new, sure face many issue... it take 5 year at lease to mature。

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QUOTE(trollboy @ Feb 3 2015, 08:55 PM)
Anybody know what happen to our taming sari mlrs
No trace now?? whistling.gif
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Feb 3 2015, 08:56 PM)
German 214 too small, then they come out Type 216 4000 tons design than propose to OZ .... but it still just a paper spec .... however Soryu already use in Japan Self defense navy,  mature and proven. 

RMN navy no mater how they need/face to use gas turbine if buy big ship like over 6000 tons. unless they still keep small ship.
gas turbine can provide a lot more power to ship.
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The French also have a large conventional submarine design on the drawing board, the SMX Ocean. The problem is, this large SSK is quite expensive. Almost as expensive as the nuc. Small country will not be able to afford it, while rich country will most likely choose nuclear sub.

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