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azriel
post Feb 3 2015, 07:26 PM

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RI, Japan will agree to defense partnership

The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | World | Tue, February 03 2015, 4:50 PM

Indonesia and Japan will be agreeing to partnerships in the field of defense, particularly in the transfer of Japan-manufactured defense equipment to Indonesia, a top envoy has said.

“There will a memorandum of understanding [MoU] in the field of defense between Indonesia and Japan that will be signed,” Indonesian Ambassador to Japan Yusron Ihza Mahendra said as quoted by Antara news agency in Jakarta on Tuesday.

He said Indonesia’s cooperation with Japan to develop its defense capacity would bring positive impacts to other fields, one of which was the economy.

“If the MoU on defense cooperation could be signed, this would be good for the development of Indonesia’s defense and economy,” said Yusron.

“With the cooperation, Indonesia’s defense will be stronger while our economy will get a kind of a new injection of strength,” he went on.

Yusron said the defense partnerships could also increase Indonesia’s diplomatic strength both in the region and on the international level.

He refused to provide details on when the MoU on Indonesian-Japanese defense cooperation would be signed, except to say that the signing of the agreement would be conducted during upcoming President Joko “Jokowi” Widodo’s visit to Japan.

“President Jokowi will visit Japan. I expect it will be around March,” said Yusron. (ebf)(++++)


http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/02...artnership.html
waja2000
post Feb 3 2015, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 3 2015, 06:46 PM)
HQ-9, I sincerely believe is even too much for our budget. No point getting one battery only to protect one area. We wanted to get a few batteries to cover a wider region

Make no mistake, instead of reducing intrusions i believe there will be more. Why? simple, we install they sure want to test it  laugh.gif
They know we wont shoot and to study our doctrine.

That china did, they put missile defence near taiwan and japan. US come do join practice, china quickly set up signal intelligence station near the missile defence area to gather information on US planes
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FD2000 not same to HQ-9 nod.gif

madoka
post Feb 3 2015, 07:32 PM

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i've heard the issue in commercial chamber for weeks, the second batch of Indonesian submarine procurement to have AIP fiture and sub launched Anti Ship missile is a must and Japan showing their interest to sell their Soryu class to Indonesia
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post Feb 3 2015, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Feb 3 2015, 07:26 PM)
so japan now willing to sell their def tech? hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif
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post Feb 3 2015, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(trollboy @ Feb 3 2015, 07:25 PM)
Yeah
So i think FK-3 suitable because its like a standalone system
Meanwhile this is more for the air defence system of the country
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FD2000 have addition anti ballistic/big size missile capability.....
FK3 more like aircraft size and anti normal missile defense capability. biggrin.gif
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post Feb 3 2015, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Feb 3 2015, 07:28 PM)
FD2000 not same to HQ-9  nod.gif
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ya ya typo but still based on the same system just the radar and missile variant diff

but then again.. i wound prefer getting s-300 PMU2 although the cost is significantly more than china copies
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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 3 2015, 07:33 PM)
so japan now willing to sell their def tech? hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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they equipment and weapon system is expensive as hell, to reduce the cost burden they now looking for export market for their weapon system

personally i am very much interested for their Soryu class submarine, Maneuver Ground Combat Vehicle and Akizuki class Escort Destroyer.
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post Feb 3 2015, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 3 2015, 07:33 PM)
so japan now willing to sell their def tech? hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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yes, after they change country Constitution low ....
due to china sentiment, seem many country hard to buy directly weapon from japan, now mostly look like Japan they doing via technology transfer/cooperation. still take time to see how Japan sell weapon.
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QUOTE(madoka @ Feb 3 2015, 07:36 PM)
they equipment and weapon system is expensive as hell, to reduce the cost burden they now looking for export market for their weapon system

personally i am very much interested for their Soryu class submarine, Maneuver Ground Combat Vehicle and Akizuki class Escort Destroyer.
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Australia want to buy the Soryu. The Abe government seems to agree, but the Japanese Navy is reluctant to let the Australian to have the sub. Apparently, some of the technologies in the sub is decades ahead of anything that Australia can some up with, and the Japanese Military don't want to share the secret.
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post Feb 3 2015, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 3 2015, 07:33 PM)
so japan now willing to sell their def tech? hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Yes, even offering Australia their Soryu class submarine.

Japan Ends Decades-Long Ban on Export of Weapons
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post Feb 3 2015, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(madoka @ Feb 3 2015, 07:36 PM)
they equipment and weapon system is expensive as hell, to reduce the cost burden they now looking for export market for their weapon system

personally i am very much interested for their Soryu class submarine, Maneuver Ground Combat Vehicle and Akizuki class Escort Destroyer.
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u sure indonesia want a destroyer class? can get 2 or 3 frigate with reasonable asw and aaw with tat price tag

QUOTE(waja2000 @ Feb 3 2015, 07:39 PM)
yes, after they change country Constitution low ....
due to china sentiment,  seem many country hard to buy directly weapon from japan, now mostly look like Japan they doing via technology transfer/cooperation. still take time to see how Japan sell weapon.
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not sure how.. last time korea try to get the engine and transmission used on the type 10 for their K2 development but Japan not interested to sell and Korea have to switch to German. hmm.gif


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post Feb 3 2015, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 3 2015, 07:36 PM)
ya ya typo but still based on the same system just the radar and missile variant diff

but then again.. i wound prefer getting s-300 PMU2 although the cost is significantly more than china copies
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now now is see we need more UCAV ASAP..... too many sea threat like ship robbery around coast mersing, than our ship need many hrs to location... u know right so slow our kedah class.
if we can get Yilong UCAV, cost just usd 2 million, get 2~3 unit put in Kuantan AB ,
can patrol entire east peninsular coast guard, any case happen, UCAV can reach case location less 1 hrs to recon situation.

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post Feb 3 2015, 07:53 PM

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Quite sad to read about the Greek F16 tragedy.


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Both Greek pilots on board ejected before crashing, but because by then the aircraft had tipped sideways, they were sent straight against the ground. Their bodies were found outside the hangar.


http://elpais.com/elpais/2015/02/02/inengl...915_744019.html
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post Feb 3 2015, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Feb 3 2015, 07:43 PM)
Australia want to buy the Soryu. The Abe government seems to agree, but the Japanese Navy is reluctant to let the Australian to have the sub. Apparently, some of the technologies in the sub is decades ahead of anything that Australia can some up with, and the Japanese Military don't want to share the secret.
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Abe want the cash to drive the stagnant economy but the military dont really want to share hmm.gif Sound very japanese for me

But again like german, they wont offer their best and maybe an export variant like how the type 214 export from type 212

iinm German are also offering their type 214 for australia submarine deal

QUOTE(azriel @ Feb 3 2015, 07:45 PM)
Yes, even offering Australia their Soryu class submarine.

Japan Ends Decades-Long Ban on Export of Weapons
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let wait and see how the export variant compared to original variant.. would be the first for japan to do high tech export
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post Feb 3 2015, 07:56 PM

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Sukhoi Su-35S fighter to be commissioned in 2015

14:22 February 3, 2015 Interfax

The Sukhoi Su-35S multirole fighter is due to be commissioned this year, Russian Defense Minister Gen. of the Army Sergei Shoigu said.

"The prospective multirole fighter jet, Sukhoi Su-35S, is on a trial run. It is supposed to be commissioned this year," Shoigu said at a Defense Ministry teleconference on Tuesday.

He demanded quality tests of the aircraft and its compliance with performance specifications.

"This is a primary objective of the year," the minister remarked.

The Russian Defense Ministry has described Su-35S is a profoundly modernized super-maneuverable multirole fighter jet of the 4++ generation. The use of fifth-generation technologies makes it superior to other fighters in its class. The jet boasts much better performance characteristics than similar planes, as well as improved avionics. It outdoes similar planes in many technical parameters.

The plane is powered by a thrust vectoring engine which significantly improves its maneuverability. The fighter can simultaneously engage several types of targets. It has modern control and crew life support systems


http://rbth.co.uk/news/2015/02/03/sukhoi_s...2015_43376.html


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post Feb 3 2015, 07:57 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Feb 3 2015, 07:50 PM)
now now is see we need more UCAV ASAP..... too many sea threat like ship robbery around coast mersing, than our ship need many hrs to location... u know right so slow our kedah class.
if we can get Yilong UCAV, cost just usd 2 million, get 2~3 unit put in Kuantan AB ,
can patrol entire east peninsular coast guard, any case happen, UCAV can reach case location less 1 hrs to recon situation.
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u do know right one of their uav just crashed? laugh.gif
minus pilot quality.. i serious doubt china product quality
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post Feb 3 2015, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 3 2015, 07:48 PM)
u sure indonesia want a destroyer class? can get 2 or 3 frigate with reasonable asw and aaw with tat price tag
not sure how.. last time korea try to get the engine and transmission used on the type 10 for their K2 development  but Japan not interested to sell and Korea have to switch to German.  hmm.gif
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Japan Korea bilateral relations is much more worse than Malaysia-Indonesia though sweat.gif




Come on, we need something as Flagship for our armadas. To have one or two Destroyer class as the command center for the rest of fleet will give us more options on how to handle threat in near future. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Feb 3 2015, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 3 2015, 07:57 PM)
u do know right one of their uav just crashed?  laugh.gif
minus pilot quality.. i serious doubt china product quality
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uav definaly have higer rate of crash/shot down/system/comm error/ that first place we use uav to reduce pilot risk and hardware cost....
than u want to said quality US uav more case crash .... event get iran take over control uav...
than china uav just 1/8 of US made price, so no big deal at all for the crash ... biggrin.gif
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post Feb 3 2015, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(trollboy @ Feb 3 2015, 07:38 PM)
Bang i not anti singapore or anything just that we shud not let others intrude our airspace right
If singapore buy so many air defence missiles to defend against us why shouldnt we defend ourselves??
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It is their rights to buy air defense to defence themselves from any possible threats.
I did not say we should not buy air defences systems.
but I dun think it is necessary to bring singapore into the issue.

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post Feb 3 2015, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(madoka @ Feb 3 2015, 07:58 PM)
Japan Korea bilateral relations is much more worse than Malaysia-Indonesia though  sweat.gif
Come on, we need something as Flagship for our armadas. To have one or two Destroyer class as the command center for the rest of fleet will give us more options on how to handle threat in near future.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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iinm the talk on the engine and transmission was facilitated by the US as well but japan refused on ground they do not export any military related system rolleyes.gif
I cant find the info again but japan instead offers on improving their (korea k2 mtu)build quality but korea just brush it off laugh.gif

Merajuk kot


the trend now is to get a ldp as a command ship and accompanied by full fledged asw and aaw frigate

of course a destroyer would be good as well but again with tat price tag i would get more hulls to spam anti-ship than a single expensive hull tongue.gif

ask US to give their Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate, a destroyer in a frigate hull brows.gif

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