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QUOTE(brapa? @ Dec 12 2020, 10:37 PM) aiya are you using co2 & ferts & good lightningempty tank no syok la look so sterile part of the fun is looking at the plants grow i see lava soil use in bonsai how come dont use for aquaria ? if not better not do it, cause its going to make everything hard lava rocks are close to inert; other than minerals it doesn't have organic material to decompose so the present of co2 in the water is going to be little making your choice of plants is limited very limited to only certain moss and ferns only well if you really want you can add thin layer of compost soil i know it will work as i seen ujelly did it before you see this guy, every time he do none co2 tank, he will add in organic substrate and reuse filter media / soil / transferring aquarium water to prevent failing at start that usually due to bad co2, this is also why you see ada selling power sand... etc to get more organic materials in the substrate until you start feeding getting all the decomposing bacteria in to get more co2 which could take months This post has been edited by junsheng: Dec 13 2020, 04:19 AM |
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QUOTE(junsheng @ Dec 13 2020, 04:19 AM) are you using co2 & ferts & good lightning reusing soil is an eyeopenerif not better not do it, cause its going to make everything hard lava rocks are close to inert; other than minerals it doesn't have organic material to decompose so the present of co2 in the water is going to be little making your choice of plants is limited very limited to only certain moss and ferns only well if you really want you can add thin layer of compost soil i know it will work as i seen ujelly did it before you see this guy, every time he do none co2 tank, he will add in organic substrate and reuse filter media / soil / transferring aquarium water to prevent failing at start that usually due to bad co2, this is also why you see ada selling power sand... etc to get more organic materials in the substrate until you start feeding getting all the decomposing bacteria in to get more co2 which could take months & i tot have to throw after 1 or 2 years this is useful there is even npk fertiliser didnt know this hmm.. this is quite advanced level compost soil i suppose is not those gerden type which i hv thus the challenge will also be cost all these special aquarium soil wont come cheap his tank completely sealed at top it looks tidy can fill up the tank to the top & dont have to deal with water splattering out from bubblers i din knw water plants propagate so easily snip & plant really nice composition like a salad bowl tx for d share ! |
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QUOTE(brapa? @ Dec 14 2020, 10:48 PM) reusing soil is an eyeopener as long as the soil retain it shape you can reuse& i tot have to throw after 1 or 2 years this is useful there is even npk fertiliser didnt know this hmm.. this is quite advanced level compost soil i suppose is not those gerden type which i hv thus the challenge will also be cost all these special aquarium soil wont come cheap his tank completely sealed at top it looks tidy can fill up the tank to the top & dont have to deal with water splattering out from bubblers i din knw water plants propagate so easily snip & plant really nice composition like a salad bowl tx for d share ! but you will need to put root tabs a lot of them for fert its easy on your wallet if you buy them in salt form and mix your own and usually we don't do like a lot of water change 20% max 10% or even 5% if you don't over stock fishes so ada soil the normal kind usually last very long if you use them with appropriate ferts get the normal size if you plan to do foreground planting (usually what everyone do) to cover everything, the powder version are just for decorations where you put very thin layer to serve as cosmetic appearance also if you are doing shrimp, DO NOT put in shrimp instantly cause ADA soil is rich in nh3 and nh4, wait for minimum of 1 month or you can do a dry start method if you doing foreground plants because when its cycling the ph swing would kill shrimp instantly the version 2 of ada soil is much stable but its inferior according to many This post has been edited by junsheng: Dec 15 2020, 04:01 AM |
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QUOTE(brapa? @ Dec 14 2020, 10:48 PM) reusing soil is an eyeopener Yeah, you can reuse soil. When you are constantly scaping & re-scraping, you can end up with extra used soil. Just dump them in a container.& i tot have to throw after 1 or 2 years this is useful there is even npk fertiliser didnt know this hmm.. this is quite advanced level compost soil i suppose is not those gerden type which i hv thus the challenge will also be cost all these special aquarium soil wont come cheap his tank completely sealed at top it looks tidy can fill up the tank to the top & dont have to deal with water splattering out from bubblers i din knw water plants propagate so easily snip & plant really nice composition like a salad bowl tx for d share ! For fertilizer, Seachem sold NPK separately while Aquaforest have them in one bottle. Iron is another nutrient that I read very useful if you get it in standalone bottle. One of my tank use organic compost soil. Plant growth is 2-3 times faster compares to non-organic soil tank, both are low tech setup. The compost soil is the ones sold RM2 per bag. I made a mistake by not sifting it to remove dead roots & small wood chips in it. It crashed with BGA after few months of good run. I end up adding fine sand to get total depth of more than 3 inches to fix BGA. So, if you use organic soil, either compost or top soil, sifting them before using in aquarium. Some people like to "bake" the soil in microwave or oven before using it. Btw, top soil is 5 to 10 inches of outermost layer of soil. Yeah, you can use soil from your backyard. Basically one inch layer of organic soil & one inch of fine gravel or fine sand on top. Some people like to use less organic soil, less than one inch. Just make sure tank is heavily planted, like at least 70 to 80% of the space is covered with plant. I just want to add one thing. With my experience with dirt tank, is what people called low tech tank with organic soil, I really appreciate the hardiness of the cryptocoryne. I have cryptocoryne "Red" Wendtii & no algae dare to touch it. Maybe little coat of BGA but BBA do not dare to touch it. Java Fern, another hardy plant, heavily infested with BBA. If you have shrimps, Tank cover is a must I think. You can custom made using plexiglass. For stem plants, that's how you propogate. Trim & plant. For rhizome plant, you'll need to include rhizome if you want to propogate it. |
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QUOTE(junsheng @ Dec 15 2020, 03:39 AM) as long as the soil retain it shape you can reuse ada soil so good hahbut you will need to put root tabs a lot of them for fert its easy on your wallet if you buy them in salt form and mix your own and usually we don't do like a lot of water change 20% max 10% or even 5% if you don't over stock fishes so ada soil the normal kind usually last very long if you use them with appropriate ferts get the normal size if you plan to do foreground planting (usually what everyone do) to cover everything, the powder version are just for decorations where you put very thin layer to serve as cosmetic appearance also if you are doing shrimp, DO NOT put in shrimp instantly cause ADA soil is rich in nh3 and nh4, wait for minimum of 1 month or you can do a dry start method if you doing foreground plants because when its cycling the ph swing would kill shrimp instantly the version 2 of ada soil is much stable but its inferior according to many no wonder so widely used i m now using the cheapest soil future maybe will buy a bit of ada & add to my cheapo haha as i think the current soil not tht fertile but i dare not fertilise as i cant wait to introduce my shrimps the lone ranger survived & gonna transfer the rest soon or can i put some fertilizer tabs ? QUOTE(kizwan @ Dec 15 2020, 01:05 PM) Yeah, you can reuse soil. When you are constantly scaping & re-scraping, you can end up with extra used soil. Just dump them in a container. wowFor fertilizer, Seachem sold NPK separately while Aquaforest have them in one bottle. Iron is another nutrient that I read very useful if you get it in standalone bottle. One of my tank use organic compost soil. Plant growth is 2-3 times faster compares to non-organic soil tank, both are low tech setup. The compost soil is the ones sold RM2 per bag. I made a mistake by not sifting it to remove dead roots & small wood chips in it. It crashed with BGA after few months of good run. I end up adding fine sand to get total depth of more than 3 inches to fix BGA. So, if you use organic soil, either compost or top soil, sifting them before using in aquarium. Some people like to "bake" the soil in microwave or oven before using it. Btw, top soil is 5 to 10 inches of outermost layer of soil. Yeah, you can use soil from your backyard. Basically one inch layer of organic soil & one inch of fine gravel or fine sand on top. Some people like to use less organic soil, less than one inch. Just make sure tank is heavily planted, like at least 70 to 80% of the space is covered with plant. I just want to add one thing. With my experience with dirt tank, is what people called low tech tank with organic soil, I really appreciate the hardiness of the cryptocoryne. I have cryptocoryne "Red" Wendtii & no algae dare to touch it. Maybe little coat of BGA but BBA do not dare to touch it. Java Fern, another hardy plant, heavily infested with BBA. If you have shrimps, Tank cover is a must I think. You can custom made using plexiglass. For stem plants, that's how you propogate. Trim & plant. For rhizome plant, you'll need to include rhizome if you want to propogate it. didnt know garden soil also can use for aquarium really have to be meticulous like u wrote to use them i m really afraid to try it haha later the aquarium become black or fungus grow the garden soil can b used for seedling immerse method too ? can i miix 1 : 1 lava soil to compost ? QUOTE(tachlio @ Dec 15 2020, 10:33 PM) My MC is lifted after 6/8 month, did not trim at all so far. it will be cool to let it float aroundDoes MC require trimming to keep it low? So right now I only can remove it then cut into smaller pieces? ![]() like a space ship the shrimps can take a ride ![]() |
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QUOTE(tachlio @ Dec 15 2020, 10:33 PM) My MC is lifted after 6/8 month, did not trim at all so far. i had the same problem with hc and ug when i was newDoes MC require trimming to keep it low? So right now I only can remove it then cut into smaller pieces? ![]() as it keep sending and trapping air into the soil and it float 1. is to trim it aggressive down to the base 2. force the air to come out by using toothpick or think long stick or injecting water into substrate using syringe (disturbing the substrate will cause ammonia to raise would kill sensitive livestock) its the same for any foreground plants Hemianthus callitrichoides Micranthemum Glossostigma Utricularia graminifolia Eleocharis acicularis |
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QUOTE(brapa? @ Dec 16 2020, 10:32 PM) ada soil so good hah yup fertilizer tabs is also goodno wonder so widely used i m now using the cheapest soil future maybe will buy a bit of ada & add to my cheapo haha as i think the current soil not tht fertile but i dare not fertilise as i cant wait to introduce my shrimps the lone ranger survived & gonna transfer the rest soon or can i put some fertilizer tabs ? wow didnt know garden soil also can use for aquarium really have to be meticulous like u wrote to use them i m really afraid to try it haha later the aquarium become black or fungus grow the garden soil can b used for seedling immerse method too ? can i miix 1 : 1 lava soil to compost ? it will be cool to let it float around like a space ship the shrimps can take a ride ![]() if you are using compost make sure don't put too much or make sure it doesn't float cause i had seen others said if too much 1. the decomposition create air pocket and it disturb the substrate and float 2. leach too much tannin and ammonia 3. decomposition cause increase of temperature |
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QUOTE(frankzane @ Dec 17 2020, 01:29 AM) something like this, a clip or hook to hold the glassdon't cover everything make sure to leave some space for your hand to take the glass out or put in food https://shopee.com.my/4pcs-Fish-Tank-Aquari...0561.1815134318 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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QUOTE(brapa? @ Dec 16 2020, 10:32 PM) wow If done correctly, it shouldn't be any issue. That is why you need a layer of cap on top. Don't worry no fungus. The water also doesn't turn black. There is another method to prepare the soil which is involving baking it in oven or microwave. Also in addition to sifting the soil to remove dead roots & small wood chips, you can submerge the soil. Remove everything that floats. didnt know garden soil also can use for aquarium really have to be meticulous like u wrote to use them i m really afraid to try it haha later the aquarium become black or fungus grow the garden soil can b used for seedling immerse method too ? can i miix 1 : 1 lava soil to compost ? There are two opinions in using dirt; 1) put only small amount of layer of dirt, 2) deep substrate including cap between 3 to 6 inches. I won't go into details because there's a lot to talk about in this subject. All I know, you can't go wrong with any one of them. One inch layer of dirt is good but if you put more than that, make sure the depth of the substrate including cap must at least 3 inches. For the first month don't put any fish or invertebrate. You can put feeder shrimps / local ghost shrimp / Thailand ghost shrimp after 2 weeks to handle algae that may appear during that time. Also make sure you use compost that doesn't contain any additives like chemical additives. What do you mean by seeding immerse method? I don't know why you need to mix with lava soil. You can I think. |
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![]() Java fern in clean water after 10 minutes of bleach treatment (9:1 water to bleach ratio) to get rid BBA. The Chinese algae eater did eat most of the BBA. I should have done this sooner. Look at the damages on the leaves because of the BBA. |
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QUOTE(junsheng @ Dec 17 2020, 01:27 AM) yup fertilizer tabs is also good if you are using compost make sure don't put too much or make sure it doesn't float cause i had seen others said if too much 1. the decomposition create air pocket and it disturb the substrate and float 2. leach too much tannin and ammonia 3. decomposition cause increase of temperature QUOTE(kizwan @ Dec 17 2020, 12:50 PM) If done correctly, it shouldn't be any issue. That is why you need a layer of cap on top. Don't worry no fungus. The water also doesn't turn black. There is another method to prepare the soil which is involving baking it in oven or microwave. Also in addition to sifting the soil to remove dead roots & small wood chips, you can submerge the soil. Remove everything that floats. tx for sharing your knowledge sifu2There are two opinions in using dirt; 1) put only small amount of layer of dirt, 2) deep substrate including cap between 3 to 6 inches. I won't go into details because there's a lot to talk about in this subject. All I know, you can't go wrong with any one of them. One inch layer of dirt is good but if you put more than that, make sure the depth of the substrate including cap must at least 3 inches. For the first month don't put any fish or invertebrate. You can put feeder shrimps / local ghost shrimp / Thailand ghost shrimp after 2 weeks to handle algae that may appear during that time. Also make sure you use compost that doesn't contain any additives like chemical additives. What do you mean by seeding immerse method? I don't know why you need to mix with lava soil. You can I think. maybe i will try mixing some compost with my cheapo soil for my next tank oh i was thinking whether mixing compost + lava soil will bring down the 'richness' & therefore reduce ammonia nitrate spike i mean can we sprout seedlings the emerse method using compost too ? QUOTE(kizwan @ Dec 17 2020, 01:14 PM) ![]() Java fern in clean water after 10 minutes of bleach treatment (9:1 water to bleach ratio) to get rid BBA. The Chinese algae eater did eat most of the BBA. I should have done this sooner. Look at the damages on the leaves because of the BBA. it will look funky in the tank with those holes i have cotton fungus growing on the spiderwood strangely the driftwood is not affected some articles say it is dangerous some say it will go away i have poured boiling water but it came back will the shrimps eat them ? ![]() |
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QUOTE(brapa? @ Dec 18 2020, 11:12 PM) oh i was thinking whether mixing compost + lava soil will bring down the 'richness' & therefore reduce ammonia nitrate spike i mean can we sprout seedlings the emerse method using compost too ? There's no need to do that. In a month, nitrifying bacteria will colonise the soil & your plants will be growing. There you have two things that will take care ammonia, nitrite & nitrate. Organics decomposition in the soil going to release CO2 which will helps growth. If you setup two low tech tank; one with commercial aquasoil & another one with dirt (compost, top soil, etc), plants grow faster & healthier in dirt tank. I think you can sprout seedings with compost. QUOTE(brapa? @ Dec 18 2020, 11:12 PM) wah Yeah. It will look funky. I could cut all the leaves & let it grow back in a couple of months. Apparently, some aquarist do this to newly bought fern.it will look funky in the tank with those holes i have cotton fungus growing on the spiderwood strangely the driftwood is not affected some articles say it is dangerous some say it will go away i have poured boiling water but it came back will the shrimps eat them ? ![]() Owh, that fungus. Yeah it'll go away. It may return after you clean it but it'll go away for good. I don't remember whether I got it too but all of my driftwood was boiled for 30 minutes before putting into the tank. Bristlenose pleco is one of the first fish I put in the tank. Apparently bristlenose pleco is one of the animal that eat this fungus. The other two are nerite snails & otocinclus. |
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QUOTE(junsheng @ Dec 17 2020, 01:36 AM) something like this, a clip or hook to hold the glass I see.., never knew got such thing. But problem is my tank got two glass panel at the front and rear...and the side already occupied with the light stand and two output/input hoses.don't cover everything make sure to leave some space for your hand to take the glass out or put in food https://shopee.com.my/4pcs-Fish-Tank-Aquari...0561.1815134318 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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QUOTE(frankzane @ Dec 20 2020, 06:42 PM) I see.., never knew got such thing. But problem is my tank got two glass panel at the front and rear...and the side already occupied with the light stand and two output/input hoses. then no fancy glass cover cause those cannot be stacked directly on glass just place a piece of acrylic on top, get customize cutting size in shopee or lazada |
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QUOTE(kizwan @ Dec 19 2020, 02:41 AM) There's no need to do that. In a month, nitrifying bacteria will colonise the soil & your plants will be growing. There you have two things that will take care ammonia, nitrite & nitrate. Organics decomposition in the soil going to release CO2 which will helps growth. If you setup two low tech tank; one with commercial aquasoil & another one with dirt (compost, top soil, etc), plants grow faster & healthier in dirt tank. if my current crop failsI think you can sprout seedings with compost. Yeah. It will look funky. I could cut all the leaves & let it grow back in a couple of months. Apparently, some aquarist do this to newly bought fern. Owh, that fungus. Yeah it'll go away. It may return after you clean it but it'll go away for good. I don't remember whether I got it too but all of my driftwood was boiled for 30 minutes before putting into the tank. Bristlenose pleco is one of the first fish I put in the tank. Apparently bristlenose pleco is one of the animal that eat this fungus. The other two are nerite snails & otocinclus. i will restart the planting mix compost with the soil cos they dont look too healthy anyway i forgot to quarantine a new plant & plopped it into the tank & all the old & new shrimps died ![]() i think i'll take a break year end continue 2021 |
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QUOTE(brapa? @ Dec 21 2020, 09:21 PM) if my current crop fails Yeah, different people, different approach. For me, if the crop damaged because of algae or deficiency, I correct the problem. When the problem solved, new growth will be healthy. Then I would trim, removed damaged part & re-planted the healthy ones. It would take weeks or months, depends on the severity of the problem. The plants with rhizome, as long as the roots & rhizomes are healthy, it should grow back.i will restart the planting mix compost with the soil cos they dont look too healthy anyway i forgot to quarantine a new plant & plopped it into the tank & all the old & new shrimps died ![]() i think i'll take a break year end continue 2021 There's no reason to mix soil. Just use one or the other. You don't need to quarantine new plants. Rinse with dechlorinated water is all you need. Your soil still leaching ammonia I think. I think you should focus on your plants first. Once you done re-scraping your tank & the plants grow well, then you can add shrimps. I would check ammonia at least before putting any shrimp. |
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