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junsheng
post Dec 10 2020, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(Pugface @ Nov 18 2020, 01:20 PM)
hi sifus. i want some dry leaves effect in my tank.

dont want my tank to too much into tea colour. slightly i still ok.

all guides online are leaves from western countries.

any advice for malaysia cara? can i pick any leaves from garden, dry it under sun and boil with water before put in?
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buy betta fish leaves online in shopee or lazada
daun ketapang or buy the pre boiled concentrate

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post Dec 10 2020, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(junsheng @ Dec 10 2020, 01:25 AM)
shrimp aren't picky eater they will eat anything that is soft or pre boiled
fish food will do too

btw, that quality of cherry shrimp is very low, it will turn transparent in just a few generation
hope that its not costly else its a ripoff
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hey you are back visiting us.
you do shrimp too?

i am doing shrimp too.... yes got mixture of solid red and transparent.
so the only way is to do culling? like that cruel leh

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at which stage do we cull? juvenile? would it be obvious by then?


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post Dec 10 2020, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(Clueless07 @ Dec 10 2020, 10:34 AM)
hey you are back visiting us.
you do shrimp too?

i am doing shrimp too.... yes got mixture of solid red and transparent.
so the only way is to do culling? like that cruel leh

rclxub.gif

at which stage do we cull? juvenile? would it be obvious by then?
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see what your main intention, for me plant is 1st priority.
Shrimp just as decoration and lively

So i dont cull at all, but also dont mix different neo together la...
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post Dec 10 2020, 11:10 AM

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well... good color shrimp will bring the plant color out.
it is good contrast.

i dont mine those light color around- but as realize the future generations will be more light- it bothered me liao

i can feed them to my blue ram =D
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post Dec 10 2020, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(Clueless07 @ Dec 10 2020, 10:34 AM)
hey you are back visiting us.
you do shrimp too?

i am doing shrimp too.... yes got mixture of solid red and transparent.
so the only way is to do culling? like that cruel leh

rclxub.gif

at which stage do we cull? juvenile? would it be obvious by then?
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most shrimp don't show apparent colour during juvenile 9 weeks after born
if you want to do culling its best to do after week 10
or 1.2cm length

if you are talking about neocaridina, if you are breeding for the colour you have to do it
because at the end they will turn transparent, usually the males are less colourful
like cherry shrimp the males are usually dotted / line red instead of full red
and usually mixing different neocaridina will result in brown shrimps

if you are talking about caridina, if you are breeding for the pattern you have to do it
because at the end they will turn to a solid colour without pattern

what i have been told is
neocaridina shrimp are transparent brown in natural selective breeding causes the change of colour
so if somehow transparent strain appear its going to dominate and turn everything back to normal
for caridina originally is solid colour, selective breeding bring out the patterns...

based on my experience
well if you get expensive breed the gene is more stable and it will take more generations for it to turn back to normal if you don't do culling
there a misconception that bad water parameter will make your shrimps colour or pattern turn bad,
but the real cause is the gene, high quality ones have too much abnormalities and weak, so they die or fail to breed
left the low quality which its gene is normal, strong and able to adapt to the environment, so they fail to die and breed like crazy

for me i don't do culling its too much works
if the quality turn bad, i just kill them all and buy new ones devil.gif devil.gif devil.gif devil.gif devil.gif

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post Dec 10 2020, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(junsheng @ Dec 10 2020, 07:26 PM)
most shrimp don't show apparent colour during juvenile 9 weeks after born
if you want to do culling its best to do after week 10
or 1.2cm length

if you are talking about neocaridina, if you are breeding for the colour you have to do it
because at the end they will turn transparent, usually the males are less colourful
like cherry shrimp the males are usually dotted / line red instead of full red
and usually mixing different neocaridina will result in brown shrimps

if you are talking about caridina, if you are breeding for the pattern you have to do it
because at the end they will turn to a solid colour without pattern

what i have been told is
neocaridina shrimp are transparent brown in natural selective breeding causes the change of colour
so if somehow transparent strain appear its going to dominate and turn everything back to normal
for caridina originally is solid colour, selective breeding bring out the patterns...

based on my experience
well if you get expensive breed the gene is more stable and it will take more generations for it to turn back to normal if you don't do culling
there a misconception that bad water parameter will make your shrimps colour or pattern turn bad,
but the real cause is the gene, high quality ones have too much abnormalities and weak, so they die or fail to breed
left the low quality which its gene is normal, strong and able to adapt to the environment, so they fail to die and breed like crazy

for me i don't do culling its too much works
if the quality turn bad, i just kill them all and buy new ones  devil.gif  devil.gif  devil.gif  devil.gif  devil.gif

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Actually for RCS, from ordinary red cherry till bloody marry or even Kanoko, are they are same type?
So mixing this group in between, the only thing will become transparent/lower grade of red?

By cull, we can target to achieve Kanako as end result? but without a true good gen, it will be very hard... so better start with something like fire red or bloody mary?



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post Dec 10 2020, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(tachlio @ Dec 5 2020, 10:11 AM)
if you plant just setup, a lot of unknow species will come out, after the tank stable, only those taken care will survive...
Again Aquascape is not 1-2 month thing... those you see beautiful took time to maintain
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mayb i wil just keep moss
grow very easy
haha
my root plants die already

QUOTE(junsheng @ Dec 10 2020, 01:01 AM)
moss spores
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ok tx

QUOTE(junsheng @ Dec 10 2020, 01:20 AM)
get some crushed corals to assist molding

the second thing is how stable is your tank?
ammonia level? ph? kh? gh?
don't do huge water change and don't disturb the substrate
usually its the ammonia and ph that kill

normally when doing shrimp planted or non planted tank
you need to stabilize the tank first before adding shrimp
ie: let the tank empty and cycle at least one month by adding little food every few day
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coral just put 1 piece right ?
so not to affect the ph
now i know shrimp is very demanding
last time rear fish so easy
i lost 2 batches of shrimps
the water seems to stabilise already
put crystal shrimp
3 dieded
but another3 survive


QUOTE(junsheng @ Dec 10 2020, 01:25 AM)
shrimp aren't picky eater they will eat anything that is soft or pre boiled
fish food will do too

btw, that quality of cherry shrimp is very low, it will turn transparent in just a few generation
hope that its not costly else its a ripoff
*
cheap2
i bought it online
rm2 oni
but no syok lah
so faded color
i wana buy better ones in future
i think orange looks nicer then red
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post Dec 11 2020, 04:10 AM

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QUOTE(brapa? @ Dec 10 2020, 10:39 PM)
mayb i wil just keep moss
grow very easy
haha
my root plants die already
ok tx
coral just put 1 piece right ?
so not to affect the ph
now i know shrimp is very demanding
last time rear fish so easy
i lost 2 batches of shrimps
the water seems to stabilise already
put crystal shrimp
3 dieded
but another3 survive
cheap2
i bought it online
rm2 oni
but no syok lah
so faded color
i wana buy better ones in future
i think orange looks nicer then red
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crushed corals only sold in pack
buy and put some into your aquarium filter
but its going to take time for the calcium to dissolve naturally

or leave some out so that smarter shrimp can eat it
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post Dec 11 2020, 04:44 AM

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QUOTE(tachlio @ Dec 10 2020, 08:45 PM)
Actually for RCS, from ordinary red cherry till bloody marry or even Kanoko, are they are same type?
So mixing this group in between, the only thing will become transparent/lower grade of red?

By cull, we can target to achieve Kanako as end result? but without a true good gen, it will be very hard... so better start with something like fire red or bloody mary?
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huh actually? you mean otherwise ?
RCS CRS is caridina, red cherry is neo caridina you can mix them without any problem
they can't crossbreed

red cherry till kanoko is neo caridina, cross breeding high grade with low grade will get you somewhere in between from what i heard
i done it in the past, its like mixing colour, i mix red yellow blue together in the same tank i get brown

you can't get kanako by culling, maybe you can but its like winning lottery
cause there are like other shrimps in the tank, what if the one that mutated to resemble kanako
have ugly fetish go and mate with normal grade or lower grade shrimps? laugh.gif

if selective breeding yup you can do it, choose 2 or a few that most resemble kanako
put them all together and limiting their breeding choice, rinse and repeat till you get stable kanako gene
that is what i know from acquaintance that breed shrimp

all these shrimps are from selective breeding anyway

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tachlio

idk to me selective breeding would take very long
unless you have extreme patient & interest & space you are going to lose you mind
i tried breeding guppy and betta before, the result was disappointing

i think its the best to get blood marry or even kanoko, just cull to keep the breed
i still do it nowadays for hard to get guppies & shrimps

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QUOTE(junsheng @ Dec 11 2020, 04:50 AM)
tachlio

idk to me selective breeding would take very long
unless you have extreme patient & interest & space you are going to lose you mind
i tried breeding guppy and betta before, the result was disappointing

i think its the best to get blood marry or even kanoko, just cull to keep the breed
i still do it nowadays for hard to get guppies & shrimps
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RCS = Red Cherry Shrimp = Neo Caridina
I think you refer to CRS = Crystal Red = Caridina.

What I mean is from Red Cherry till Kanoka all is "RED" gen, so cross breeding will it lead to other brownish color? Or just more dull red?

Now my tank having Fire Red + some looking like Red Cherry, I really dont want start over if they are same red gen.
Those LFS maybe just mark its as Bloody Marry/Kanoko as normal people hardly differential it, but the name let it cost very high.


Going setup 2nd 10G tank side by side with my neo.
This time, thinking dry start HC then added Caridina Shrimp, my substrate is Fluval Stratum.
Any advise what on Caridina?

Since I'm on High Tech Plant, not sure black or red gen Caridina more suitable...
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QUOTE(tachlio @ Dec 11 2020, 09:07 AM)
RCS = Red Cherry Shrimp = Neo Caridina
I think you refer to CRS = Crystal Red = Caridina.

What I mean is from Red Cherry till Kanoka all is "RED" gen, so cross breeding will it lead to other brownish color? Or just more dull red?

Now my tank having Fire Red + some looking like Red Cherry, I really dont want start over if they are same red gen.
Those LFS maybe just mark its as Bloody Marry/Kanoko as normal people hardly differential it, but the name let it cost very high.
Going setup 2nd 10G tank side by side with my neo.
This time, thinking dry start HC then added Caridina Shrimp, my substrate is Fluval Stratum.
Any advise what on Caridina?

Since I'm on High Tech Plant, not sure black or red gen Caridina more suitable...
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ops i mean crs
crystal red shrimps
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QUOTE(tachlio @ Dec 11 2020, 09:07 AM)
RCS = Red Cherry Shrimp = Neo Caridina
I think you refer to CRS = Crystal Red = Caridina.

What I mean is from Red Cherry till Kanoka all is "RED" gen, so cross breeding will it lead to other brownish color? Or just more dull red?

Now my tank having Fire Red + some looking like Red Cherry, I really dont want start over if they are same red gen.
Those LFS maybe just mark its as Bloody Marry/Kanoko as normal people hardly differential it, but the name let it cost very high.
Going setup 2nd 10G tank side by side with my neo.
This time, thinking dry start HC then added Caridina Shrimp, my substrate is Fluval Stratum.
Any advise what on Caridina?

Since I'm on High Tech Plant, not sure black or red gen Caridina more suitable...
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caridina is temperature and ph sensitive during introduction first few weeks
aside from that there are not much

if you get both crs & cbs make sure you get the ratio right
3 (red) : 1 (black)
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QUOTE(junsheng @ Dec 11 2020, 01:43 PM)
caridina is temperature and ph sensitive during introduction first few weeks
aside from that there are not much

if you get both crs & cbs make sure you get the ratio right
3 (red) : 1 (black)
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Wont be cross breed between red & black?

I'm worry cross breed so thinking choose one type only

BTW, you from Pg, I looking for reliable source on Caridina

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QUOTE(junsheng @ Dec 11 2020, 04:10 AM)
crushed corals only sold in pack
buy and put some into your aquarium filter
but its going to take time for the calcium to dissolve naturally

or leave some out so that smarter shrimp can eat it
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i see
ok got it
tx for the tip
so i dont have to prepare egg shells then
that day i boil
then put into oven to dry
came out roasted biggrin.gif


wanna ask u guys
ever consider replacement for
xpensif ada or fluval soil ?
i am thinking
using lava soil
its so much cheaper
can ?

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QUOTE(tachlio @ Dec 11 2020, 05:52 PM)
Wont be cross breed between red & black?

I'm worry cross breed so thinking choose one type only

BTW, you from Pg, I looking for reliable source on Caridina
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idk i didn't stay in pg for ages but you can google it
they will and black will dominates that why you need to get the ratio right

if you want half red half black at the end 3:1 or even 5:1
majority red and little black 10:1
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QUOTE(junsheng @ Dec 11 2020, 10:42 PM)
idk i didn't stay in pg for ages but you can google it
they will and black will dominates that why you need to get the ratio right

if you want half red half black at the end 3:1 or even 5:1
majority red and little black 10:1
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Thanks, I just focus on red gen Caridina then.
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QUOTE(brapa? @ Dec 11 2020, 09:44 PM)
i see
ok got it
tx for the tip
so i dont have to prepare egg shells then
that day i boil
then put into oven to dry
came out roasted  biggrin.gif
wanna ask u guys
ever consider replacement for
xpensif ada or fluval soil ?
i am thinking
using lava soil
its so much cheaper
can ?
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shrimp tank? not planted just use inert substrate its much cheaper than lava soil
if its planted don't
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QUOTE(brapa? @ Dec 11 2020, 09:44 PM)
i see
ok got it
tx for the tip
so i dont have to prepare egg shells then
that day i boil
then put into oven to dry
came out roasted  biggrin.gif
wanna ask u guys
ever consider replacement for
xpensif ada or fluval soil ?
i am thinking
using lava soil
its so much cheaper
can ?
*
Shrimp tank can be naked also...
Put some moss for shrimp that all....
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QUOTE(junsheng @ Dec 12 2020, 01:34 PM)
shrimp tank? not planted just use inert substrate its much cheaper than lava soil
if its planted don't
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QUOTE(tachlio @ Dec 12 2020, 09:28 PM)
Shrimp tank can be naked also...
Put some moss for shrimp that all....
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aiya
empty tank no syok la
look so sterile
part of the fun is looking at the plants grow

i see lava soil use in bonsai
how come dont use for aquaria ?

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