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belfong
post Feb 17 2015, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(zennasyndroxx @ Feb 17 2015, 10:47 AM)
they don't repack, that's the shitty part of it. I don't mind if they repack as long as it's done well. i believe if they repack the amount can be reduced more.
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my first experience is not too bad actually!
dadudeneverabides
post Feb 17 2015, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(DarkSilver @ Feb 16 2015, 11:51 AM)
One thing you guys should take notice over here is what you guys always said FEELING.
Feeling is vary among everyone.
But as long as it's logical, it's considered OK.
It's OK to tell Cherry MX Brown is Cherry MX Blue minus the clicky. In technical term, it might not be really accurate to put up this statement. But, in real-life testing, it's more or less that way... Tactile.
Unless, you tell like Cherry MX Blue is the same feel as Cherry MX Red, then, it's WRONG. Because one is full linear and another is obvious tactile. It's like driving a LORRY vs Luxury Car.
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At first, I wanna give you a comprehensive answer, but seeing your ADHD, flip flop and attention seeking answers after that...

First of all, don't trust what you read. Everyone's feelings, like you said, is different. So why you wanna trust the words of some guy who is just trying to pad the wiki with words? Learn to differentiate the b/s with words that actually matter.

Topre and Cherry MX have two completely different mechanisms, actuation, response, and for the lack of a better word, texture. They don't call topre "Good feeling with cup rubber" for nothing.

Cherry MX actuates by the contact coming together in the MIDDLE of a downward stroke, and the contact is not infallible, in the sense that if there is vibration on the contact point, the gate will fluctuate between ON/OFF very quickly and have to be corrected with software. This situation (aka hysteresis) makes Cherry MX innately flawed. Fortunately, most of our usage scenario will never encounter this kind of situation (Airplanes, heavy machinery) so it's fine.

However, due to the design of the stems, for all non-linear switches, the actuation point is NOT at the same point where the feedback is given to the user (tactile point/clicky point). While the difference is only about 1-2mm, you can notice this if you try to press the switch very slowly or when you are semi-depressing the button (aka priming the switch for a faster response).

Topre, on the other hand, uses capacitive circuit detection. The difference in capacitance on the PCB is detected and then translated as an ON signal. If you look at the diagram of a Topre switch at work, you'll notice that the rubber membrane's structure is destroyed, causing the potential energy to be released and compressing the spring (which causes the change in capacitance). This means that the tactile response is the EXACT same moment as actuation, and eliminates the need to deal with hysteresis (also, the rubber membrane will absorb a large amount of the vibration anyway) creating an accurate tactile switch. The same accuracy is found on ALPS and on Buckling Spring.

So, this means that the "feeling" and response rate of the keypress is significantly different on Topre and Cherry MX, especially if you are a light touch typist.

ON the other hand, my personal experience is that Cherry MX feels like a robot, while Topre switches are "alive" because they REALLY bounce back at you when you press it.

Sekian, mohon anugerahkan "A+" untuk karangan saya.

QUOTE(Lotus1109 @ Feb 16 2015, 01:07 PM)
Even I only try typing on it few times, my FEELING told me that it feels like rubberdome and rubberdome never feels like linear switches lol
Btw I read a lot of review saying that the irock synthetic mechanical switches feel like mx red too. This is actually misleading. There is only one exception:
Mx brown feels like mx red = forgivable

Because I feel like that too haha
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!@#$%^&*()

Browns are scratchy reds, TYVM.

Also, buying Hyperfuse? #wink tongue.gif
ainuddin
post Feb 17 2015, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(DarkSilver @ Feb 17 2015, 12:11 AM)
They do live up to their titles sometime.
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not in here. tongue.gif

get a hhkb/rf board. use the topre for some time to break in the domes. then you will know the uniqueness of topre. you can put aside all those articles after that. re-sell value of topre boards are quite high so no real worries in letting go a used unit.


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post Feb 17 2015, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(belfong @ Feb 17 2015, 11:24 AM)
my first experience is not too bad actually!
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I've been using them for quite a while and they're not too shabby. Just that if they offer repack and consolidate everything into one box that would be great.
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post Feb 17 2015, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(zennasyndroxx @ Feb 17 2015, 11:51 AM)
I've been using them for quite a while and they're not too shabby. Just that if they offer repack and consolidate everything into one box that would be great.
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gets rerouted to some backwater european country then GG la you nanti. cry.gif
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post Feb 17 2015, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(ainuddin @ Feb 17 2015, 11:53 AM)
gets rerouted to some backwater european country then GG la you nanti.  cry.gif
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they use DHL. can track and complain. lelele

WoB, never forget.
justnits
post Feb 17 2015, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(ainuddin @ Feb 17 2015, 11:53 AM)
gets rerouted to some backwater european country then GG la you nanti.  cry.gif
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QUOTE(zennasyndroxx @ Feb 17 2015, 11:53 AM)
they use DHL. can track and complain. lelele

WoB, never forget.
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let us have a moment of silence for the lost WoB...


ainuddin
post Feb 17 2015, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(zennasyndroxx @ Feb 17 2015, 11:53 AM)
they use DHL. can track and complain. lelele

WoB, never forget.
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QUOTE(justnits @ Feb 17 2015, 12:25 PM)
let us have a moment of silence for the lost WoB...
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post Feb 17 2015, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(justnits @ Feb 17 2015, 10:12 AM)
wow, why so many blue > black users  sweat.gif

myself included  laugh.gif but i still love blue switch. just that i don't have a working keyboard with blue switch sad.gif
replacing my ducky's blue switch to something else, that will happen after CNY already.
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Situational forced, I love Blue switches as well.. cry.gif

My families and friends couldn't stand against the Clicky blue, so I must change.. sad.gif
kaiserreich
post Feb 17 2015, 01:41 PM

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3 days into using the HHKB Type-S. It has all the thock and non of the rattling clack. Very satisfying to just type and listen. Very very satisfying.

Definitely one of my favourite keyboard to use.
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QUOTE(Powet @ Feb 17 2015, 12:48 PM)
Situational forced, I love Blue switches as well.. cry.gif

My families and friends couldn't stand against the Clicky blue, so I must change.. sad.gif
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therefore you need multiple keyboards, one blue switch, one black switch.
u main blue when there's no one around... owai...
ainuddin
post Feb 17 2015, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Feb 17 2015, 01:41 PM)
3 days into using the HHKB Type-S. It has all the thock and non of the rattling clack. Very satisfying to just type and listen. Very very satisfying.

Definitely one of my favourite keyboard to use.
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can you make a video on it?
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post Feb 17 2015, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(ainuddin @ Feb 17 2015, 01:50 PM)
can you make a video on it?
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ahh! yes pls kaiserreich
we just want to listen to the sound of the silent heavenly thock.
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post Feb 17 2015, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Feb 17 2015, 01:41 PM)
3 days into using the HHKB Type-S. It has all the thock and non of the rattling clack. Very satisfying to just type and listen. Very very satisfying.

Definitely one of my favourite keyboard to use.
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Do you feel like to mod it to final destination 55g maybe from your 55g RF? smile.gif
kaiserreich
post Feb 17 2015, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(ainuddin @ Feb 17 2015, 01:50 PM)
can you make a video on it?
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Plenty of videos on jewtube already.
It is exactly the same.

QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 17 2015, 01:56 PM)
Do you feel like to mod it to final destination 55g maybe from your 55g RF?  smile.gif
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Maybe. I already have a Silent RF and a 55g RF. Might switch the domes.
But I won't make HHKB 55g Silent though. That would cost money.

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post Feb 17 2015, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Feb 17 2015, 02:13 PM)
Plenty of videos on jewtube already.
It is exactly the same.
Maybe. I already have a Silent RF and a 55g RF. Might switch the domes.
But I won't make HHKB 55g Silent though. That would cost money.
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Ya, cost alot of money to complete a HHKB 55g Silent.
So, currently in this forum, only 1 member had it. thumbup.gif
belfong
post Feb 17 2015, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(zennasyndroxx @ Feb 17 2015, 11:53 AM)
they use DHL. can track and complain. lelele

WoB, never forget.
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I don't understand though. One of the features Borderlinx touted is that they will repack for you. But yet they did not. It's very strange! But on the other hand, they didn't charge me extra. I dispatched my package and they came in two different days, yet the charge remains the same. Hard to figure out how they work!
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post Feb 17 2015, 06:09 PM

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Hi guys may I know where I can buy the cheapest mechanical keyboard on lowyat plaza
I just want the click feel, no backlight nvm
DarkSilver
post Feb 17 2015, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(dadudeneverabides @ Feb 17 2015, 11:44 AM)
At first, I wanna give you a comprehensive answer, but seeing your ADHD, flip flop and attention seeking answers after that...

First of all, don't trust what you read. Everyone's feelings, like you said, is different. So why you wanna trust the words of some guy who is just trying to pad the wiki with words? Learn to differentiate the b/s with words that actually matter.

Topre and Cherry MX have two completely different mechanisms, actuation, response, and for the lack of a better word, texture. They don't call topre "Good feeling with cup rubber" for nothing.

Cherry MX actuates by the contact coming together in the MIDDLE of a downward stroke, and the contact is not infallible, in the sense that if there is vibration on the contact point, the gate will fluctuate between ON/OFF very quickly and have to be corrected with software. This situation (aka hysteresis) makes Cherry MX innately flawed. Fortunately, most of our usage scenario will never encounter this kind of situation (Airplanes, heavy machinery) so it's fine.

However, due to the design of the stems, for all non-linear switches, the actuation point is NOT at the same point where the feedback is given to the user (tactile point/clicky point). While the difference is only about 1-2mm, you can notice this if you try to press the switch very slowly or when you are semi-depressing the button (aka priming the switch for a faster response).

Topre, on the other hand, uses capacitive circuit detection. The difference in capacitance on the PCB is detected and then translated as an ON signal. If you look at the diagram of a Topre switch at work, you'll notice that the rubber membrane's structure is destroyed, causing the potential energy to be released and compressing the spring (which causes the change in capacitance). This means that the tactile response is the EXACT same moment as actuation, and eliminates the need to deal with hysteresis (also, the rubber membrane will absorb a large amount of the vibration anyway) creating an accurate tactile switch. The same accuracy is found on ALPS and on Buckling Spring.

So, this means that the "feeling" and response rate of the keypress is significantly different on Topre and Cherry MX, especially if you are a light touch typist.

ON the other hand, my personal experience is that Cherry MX feels like a robot, while Topre switches are "alive" because they REALLY bounce back at you when you press it.

Sekian, mohon anugerahkan "A+" untuk karangan saya.
!@#$%^&*()

Browns are scratchy reds, TYVM.

Also, buying Hyperfuse? #wink tongue.gif
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I know, that's why I said I am agreeing on what they said and commented.
But, they insisted me why I change my opinion suddenly...? doh.gif
Because I read the wiki, but claimed wrong by people here. So, I just wanna seek a confirmation.
But the logic here is:
When I said 1+1 = 3, I was proven wrong and was corrected by people, taught me 1+1=2, I learned. But, in the future, I can't use this correct way? Because what? You can't apply what you learned?
Learned from wrong, fixed problem, continue with correct way... isn't this correct? Or keep repeating mistakes?

Thanks for the very detail answers.

Happy CNY and Holiday.

This post has been edited by DarkSilver: Feb 17 2015, 06:26 PM
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post Feb 17 2015, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(dadudeneverabides @ Feb 17 2015, 11:44 AM)


Sekian, mohon anugerahkan "A+" untuk karangan saya.
!@#$%^&*()

Browns are scratchy reds, TYVM.

Also, buying Hyperfuse? #wink tongue.gif
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Bunny say shipping still 18usd even we order 4 sets brows.gif jom

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