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quovadis123
post Feb 16 2015, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(DarkSilver @ Feb 16 2015, 09:35 PM)
If LED did die, can RMA or just void the warranty and fix it yourself.  tongue.gif
Anyway, I don't know if CM Storm Rapid-i has LED issue or not, my friend is using one and it's perfectly fine.

I would recommend Filco too for this case. Much more modding advantages.
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Ya, CM Storm QFR-i also has LED fail prematurely issue. Several forummers (rapid-i users) reported this issue not long ago.
Guess it's pretty normal for LED keyboard including Ducky, Corsair etc.

Still highest LED failure rate champion still is Corsair K70 series. Shame on them. vmad.gif
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post Feb 16 2015, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 16 2015, 09:43 PM)
Ya, CM Storm QFR-i also has LED fail prematurely issue. Several forummers (rapid-i users) reported this issue not long ago.
Guess it's pretty normal for LED keyboard including Ducky, Corsair etc.

Still highest LED failure rate champion still is Corsair K70 series. Shame on them.  vmad.gif
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Yea, my friend Ducky Shine 3 has LED failure after days of purchase. But, mine works fine(no LED failure) even for months, then, I sold it off.
After that, I got myself a Razer B. U. Chroma, and it's epic Haihzzz switches... DOUBLE TAPPING issue everywhere. So, RMA it and sold it off again.
Then, get Ducky Shine 4, it's still working until now, no LED died yet. LOL. Hope it won't die now after I say this.
Weeks ago, got myself a Filco Majestouch 2 TKL Camo, quite happy with it. smile.gif

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post Feb 16 2015, 09:58 PM

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Just got 1 to 1 replacement for my CM Rapid I mech keyboard for the dead LED. Fuss free. I also got some beautiful Ducky WASD red key caps smile.gif

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This post has been edited by -kytz-: Feb 16 2015, 10:18 PM
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post Feb 16 2015, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Feb 16 2015, 09:58 PM)
Just got 1 to 1 replacement for my CM Rapid I mech keyboard for the dead LED. Fuss free. I also got some beautiful Ducky WASD red key caps smile.gif

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Sexy pictures!
I like the frame/case that Rapid-i is using. But, sadly, it's RUBBERIZED which is no good if I want to paint on it. tongue.gif
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post Feb 16 2015, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(DarkSilver @ Feb 16 2015, 11:21 AM)
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Topre_switch
In essence, the Topre switch feels first like a refined rubber dome and second in some ways reminiscent of some mechanical-contact switches such as the Cherry MX Red and Alps SKCM Cream Damped.
The switch action is very smooth, with a tactile bump that you can feel near the top of the stroke. After the bump, the resistance is almost flat, making it difficult to avoid bottoming out. You can not feel the mid-stroke actuation point. It bottoms out distinctly with a "thock" sound.
Some Topre keys are very light, which can lead to unintended key activations; this happens especially on keyboards that have differently weighted switches for different fingers.


In short, it's like Linear(like MX Red which is linear too) with slight Tactile near end of each finishing press.
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QUOTE(DarkSilver @ Feb 16 2015, 11:51 AM)
One thing you guys should take notice over here is what you guys always said FEELING.
Feeling is vary among everyone.
But as long as it's logical, it's considered OK.
It's OK to tell Cherry MX Brown is Cherry MX Blue minus the clicky. In technical term, it might not be really accurate to put up this statement. But, in real-life testing, it's more or less that way... Tactile.
Unless, you tell like Cherry MX Blue is the same feel as Cherry MX Red, then, it's WRONG. Because one is full linear and another is obvious tactile. It's like driving a LORRY vs Luxury Car.
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why u no trust me in the first place? even the deskthority article you quoted also stated that it has a tactile bump (highlighted in red). and you further add on that MX red is full linear whereas the article you quoted stated that topre is tactile, so comparing the tactile topre vs the full linear mx red IS like comparing driving a lorry vs luxury car.

when normal people like me laying it down for you simple and clear you no feel glad. doh.gif doh.gif why you feel glad that topre is heavy tactile only after quovadis123 stated it?

QUOTE(-kytz- @ Feb 16 2015, 09:58 PM)
Just got 1 to 1 replacement for my CM Rapid I mech keyboard for the dead LED. Fuss free. I also got some beautiful Ducky WASD red key caps smile.gif

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which shop did you get it from? that's quick for any retail shop to give a hassle free one-to-one replacements. few months ago when the k70 was plague with dead LED issues, most buyers need at least 2weeks of "inspection" to get a replacement. cry.gif cry.gif
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post Feb 16 2015, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(DarkSilver @ Feb 16 2015, 10:03 PM)
Sexy pictures!
I like the frame/case that Rapid-i is using. But, sadly, it's RUBBERIZED which is no good if I want to paint on it.  tongue.gif
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Thanks. You want to paint it white? lol actually the rubberized body is quite nice smile.gif

QUOTE(ntw @ Feb 16 2015, 10:22 PM)
which shop did you get it from? that's quick for any retail shop to give a hassle free one-to-one replacements. few months ago when the k70 was plague with dead LED issues, most buyers need at least 2weeks of "inspection" to get a replacement.  cry.gif  cry.gif
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Nah. I went to the distributor directly, Ban Leong. Got the replacement on the spot because they have stock. smile.gif
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post Feb 16 2015, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(ntw @ Feb 16 2015, 10:22 PM)
why u no trust me in the first place? even the deskthority article you quoted also stated that it has a tactile bump (highlighted in red). and you further add on that MX red is full linear whereas the article you quoted stated that topre is tactile, so comparing the tactile topre vs the full linear mx red IS like comparing driving a lorry vs luxury car.

when normal people like me laying it down for you simple and clear you no feel glad.  doh.gif  doh.gif why you feel glad that topre is heavy tactile only after quovadis123 stated it?
which shop did you get it from? that's quick for any retail shop to give a hassle free one-to-one replacements. few months ago when the k70 was plague with dead LED issues, most buyers need at least 2weeks of "inspection" to get a replacement.  cry.gif  cry.gif
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I hope you FULLY READ the stuffs I quoted or link I showed?
In essence, the Topre switch feels first like a refined rubber dome and second in some ways reminiscent of some mechanical-contact switches such as the Cherry MX Red and Alps SKCM Cream Damped.
Source, http://deskthority.net/wiki/Topre_switch

And, I concluded it as "In short, it's like Linear(like MX Red which is linear too) with slight Tactile near end of each finishing press.". At least, on my understanding... quovadis123 thinks it's wrong, so, he corrected me with his experiences.

And, quovadis123 said it's heavy tactile. So, I am glad if it really is heavy tactile because I would like to try it out if possible and I don't like linear.
If Topre is pure linear, I'll stay away from it.

Here,
It's OK to tell Cherry MX Brown is Cherry MX Blue minus the clicky. In technical term, it might not be really accurate to put up this statement. But, in real-life testing, it's more or less that way... Tactile. Both Brown and Blue is TACTILE, am I wrong? YES I AM!!
Unless, you tell like Cherry MX Blue is the same feel as Cherry MX Red, then, it's WRONG. Because one is full linear and another is obvious tactile. It's like driving a LORRY vs Luxury Car. Blue is Tactile, Red is Linear. Or, am I wrong again to do the metaphor?

This post has been edited by DarkSilver: Feb 16 2015, 10:35 PM
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post Feb 16 2015, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(DarkSilver @ Feb 16 2015, 10:30 PM)
I hope you FULLY READ the stuffs I quoted or link I showed?
In essence, the Topre switch feels first like a refined rubber dome and second in some ways reminiscent of some mechanical-contact switches such as the Cherry MX Red and Alps SKCM Cream Damped.
Source, http://deskthority.net/wiki/Topre_switch

And, I concluded it as "In short, it's like Linear(like MX Red which is linear too) with slight Tactile near end of each finishing press.".

And, quovadis123 said it's heavy tactile. So, I am glad if it really is heavy tactile because I would like to try it out if possible and I don't like linear.
If Topre is pure linear, I'll stay away from it.
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I guess I have to quote back the misleading part of your explanation. See the italic fonts.
QUOTE(DarkSilver @ Feb 16 2015, 12:15 AM)
Yes, Topre is one kind of switch only. Deal with it.  tongue.gif
And, it's mechanism is quite different compared to Cherry MX counter parts.
If not wrong, it's LINEAR like RED or BLACK but has better or smoother bounce back, and you'll need to press each key deep enough for it to register(but, it won't matter much if you're a MX Black user originally). You can say it's a REFINED version of Cherry MX Red or Black.

Cherry MX switches usually categorized into Tactile and Linear.
Cherry MX Blue, Brown, Grey, White/Clear, Green, etc for TACTILE.
Cherry MX Black, Red, Yellow, etc for LINEAR.
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That's why there are so much reactions from those who try before Topre and explain Topre is actually Tactile.

It's not important anymore, since you u-turn again today. Not first time. doh.gif

This post has been edited by quovadis123: Feb 16 2015, 10:36 PM
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post Feb 16 2015, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 16 2015, 10:35 PM)
I guess I have to quote back the misleading part of your explanation. See the italic fonts.
That's why there are so much reactions from those who try before Topre and explain Topre is actually Tactile.

It's not important anymore, since you u-turn again today. Not first time.  doh.gif
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I already fixed and posted that, like 11:21AM on 16-2-2015 today.

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http://deskthority.net/wiki/Topre_switch
In essence, the Topre switch feels first like a refined rubber dome and second in some ways reminiscent of some mechanical-contact switches such as the Cherry MX Red and Alps SKCM Cream Damped.
The switch action is very smooth, with a tactile bump that you can feel near the top of the stroke. After the bump, the resistance is almost flat, making it difficult to avoid bottoming out. You can not feel the mid-stroke actuation point. It bottoms out distinctly with a "thock" sound.
Some Topre keys are very light, which can lead to unintended key activations; this happens especially on keyboards that have differently weighted switches for different fingers.

In short, it's like Linear(like MX Red which is linear too) with slight Tactile near end of each finishing press.
You asked me where I READ these INFOs... and I showed you. http://deskthority.net/wiki/Topre_switch
I do a lot of postings in this thread and NOT ONLY ONE, so, I suggest you to fully read what I said and replied. I gained experiences from what I read.
So, each posts I do I'll fix whatever I told wrongly in the past.

And, what's wrong with U-Turn? It's not actually a U-Turn here. It's like a teacher corrects you, so, you don't do the mistake again. Eg, you corrected me, so, I know and won't repeat the mistake.
So, for 1st time, it's wrong. 2nd time, it'll be correct.
If I did wrong, and I continue to tell everything wrongly... is that good?

Just because I am new in MKB doesn't mean I don't know what you guys are talking about... where do you think or how do you think I got my Elite tag?

This post has been edited by DarkSilver: Feb 16 2015, 10:49 PM
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post Feb 16 2015, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(cloud8992 @ Feb 16 2015, 08:29 PM)
filco best in term of quality but no extra feature like media keys , dip swithces ,Etc
rapid -I advantage is LED and its effect but led failure rate very high.
so choose wisely  whistling.gif
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any other brands can be recoonmmended?
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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Feb 16 2015, 10:28 PM)
Thanks. You want to paint it white? lol actually the rubberized body is quite nice smile.gif
Nah. I went to the distributor directly, Ban Leong. Got the replacement on the spot because they have stock. smile.gif
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what u gonna do when another led died on this brand new kbd ? laugh.gif
hahaha
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post Feb 16 2015, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(0168257061 @ Feb 16 2015, 10:55 PM)
what u gonna do when another led died on this brand new kbd ? laugh.gif
hahaha
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Get it replaced again? laugh.gif
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post Feb 16 2015, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(DarkSilver @ Feb 16 2015, 10:39 PM)
I already fixed and posted that, like 11:21AM on 16-2-2015 today.
You asked me where I READ these INFOs... and I showed you. http://deskthority.net/wiki/Topre_switch
I do a lot of postings in this thread and NOT ONLY ONE, so, I suggest you to fully read what I said and replied. I gained experiences from what I read.
So, each posts I do I'll fix whatever I told wrongly in the past.

And, what's wrong with U-Turn? It's not actually a U-Turn here. It's like a teacher corrects you, so, you don't do the mistake again. Eg, you corrected me, so, I know and won't repeat the mistake.
So, for 1st time, it's wrong. 2nd time, it'll be correct.
If I did wrong, and I continue to tell everything wrongly... is that good?

Just because I am new in MKB doesn't mean I don't know what you guys are talking about... where do you think or how do you think I got my Elite tag?
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glad that you spent the effort to read up and learn. we are trying to share what we have feel with our fingers and educate with our experience: in this situation, telling you that topre is tactile and comparing it to a fully linear switch is doh.gif, no idea how DT came up with that comparison (with cherry mx red) but the second switch that they mentioned is actually a dampened tactile switch which is somewhat a close description of the topre switch. being an enthusiast is open to suggestion and sharing with others, it's not just about being an Elite or how many stars you have, there are many submariners which have dabbled in MKB far longer with probably only 4 or 5 stars.

QUOTE(noobkialol @ Feb 16 2015, 10:41 PM)
any other brands can be recoonmmended?
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i thought u already got a cmstorm quick fire ultimate? so fast looking for the second mech? brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(DarkSilver @ Feb 16 2015, 10:39 PM)
Just because I am new in MKB doesn't mean I don't know what you guys are talking about... where do you think or how do you think I got my Elite tag?
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kroni? whistling.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ntw @ Feb 16 2015, 11:05 PM)
glad that you spent the effort to read up and learn. we are trying to share what we have feel with our fingers and educate with our experience: in this situation, telling you that topre is tactile and comparing it to a fully linear switch is doh.gif, no idea how DT came up with that comparison (with cherry mx red) but the second switch that they mentioned is actually a dampened tactile switch which is somewhat a close description of the topre switch. being an enthusiast is open to suggestion and sharing with others, it's not just about being an Elite or how many stars you have, there are many submariners which have dabbled in MKB far longer with probably only 4 or 5 stars.
i thought u already got a cmstorm quick fire ultimate? so fast looking for the second mech? brows.gif  brows.gif
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Bro, you can't earn Elite with tons of posts and stars, FYI.

Anyway, I just post what I've read, if you don't like it or think it's wrong, then I can't stop you from thinking it.
And, I did provide the link/source...
Like I said before they mentioned it as Linear with Tactile Bump at the end of each stroke.
So, I just follow back what they said, because I am not a super professional in MKB.

I always respect people with experiences. But, I don't appreciate mocking and being full of being an enthusiast. No offense.

This post has been edited by DarkSilver: Feb 16 2015, 11:17 PM
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post Feb 16 2015, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(DarkSilver @ Feb 16 2015, 11:15 PM)
Bro, you can't earn Elite with tons of posts and stars, FYI.

Anyway, I just post what I've read, if you don't like it or think it's wrong, then I can't stop you from thinking it.
And, I did provide the link/source...
Like I said before they mentioned it as Linear with Tactile Bump at the end of each stroke.
So, I just follow back what they said, because I am not a super professional in MKB.

I always respect people with experiences. But, I don't appreciate mocking and being full of being an enthusiast. No offense.
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learning new things everyday don't we?

you concluded that that topre are "Linear(like MX Red which is linear too) with slight Tactile near end of each finishing press" from "reminiscent of Cherry MX Red and Alps SKCM Cream Damped". so we are telling you that your conclusion is not correct because topre is never linear. i have no idea why the topre was compared to the cherry mx red in the DT article but any users that have used topre before can definitely tell that topre is tactile and far from linear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29tl4HXiDO4 Linus confirmed topre is tactile (3:59) .
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QUOTE(DarkSilver @ Feb 16 2015, 11:15 PM)
I always respect people with experiences. But, I don't appreciate mocking and being full of being an enthusiast. No offense.
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goes both ways to people with 'tags' and 'ranks' though.

anyway, hope you don't take things personal. you are clearly helpful and interested in mkb stuff. there are many real sifus in here, i mean true sifus who don't give two f*cks about titles and stuff. hope you will actually learn something and we can benefit from your efforts as well. do you have any topre board?
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QUOTE(ntw @ Feb 16 2015, 11:48 PM)
learning new things everyday don't we?

you concluded that that topre are "Linear(like MX Red which is linear too) with slight Tactile near end of each finishing press" from "reminiscent of Cherry MX Red and Alps SKCM Cream Damped". so we are telling you that your conclusion is not correct because topre is never linear. i have no idea why the topre was compared to the cherry mx red in the DT article but any users that have used topre before can definitely tell that topre is tactile and far from linear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29tl4HXiDO4 Linus confirmed topre is tactile (3:59) .
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Yes, and that's why I said so(just repeating the article), and that's why I said I am wrong right after and agreed with quovadis123.

@ainuddin,
It goes both ways. That's why I said don't underestimate anyone...
People with experiences are not always correct, and people who're new is not always wrong too.
Ranked people are not always correct too, they can be wrong too. But, that doesn't mean their ranks are useless or fake. They do live up to their titles sometime.
Respect each other.

Meanwhile, I don't not really own a Topre MKB, but tested the Novatouch a little in HeavyArm previously. Realforce KBs, I like the quality, but don't like the "look".
Might not be buying it if I want to buy Filco/ONI Aluminium case. tongue.gif

This post has been edited by DarkSilver: Feb 17 2015, 12:17 AM
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QUOTE(ntw @ Feb 16 2015, 11:05 PM)
glad that you spent the effort to read up and learn. we are trying to share what we have feel with our fingers and educate with our experience: in this situation, telling you that topre is tactile and comparing it to a fully linear switch is doh.gif, no idea how DT came up with that comparison (with cherry mx red) but the second switch that they mentioned is actually a dampened tactile switch which is somewhat a close description of the topre switch. being an enthusiast is open to suggestion and sharing with others, it's not just about being an Elite or how many stars you have, there are many submariners which have dabbled in MKB far longer with probably only 4 or 5 stars.
i thought u already got a cmstorm quick fire ultimate? so fast looking for the second mech? brows.gif  brows.gif
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ya
i wanna try blue switch or black switch
maybe after cny will buy 1 biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(noobkialol @ Feb 17 2015, 12:34 AM)
ya
i wanna try blue switch or black switch
maybe after cny will buy 1  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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Seems everyone is buying after CNY. tongue.gif

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