hi there, i just called KPMG and they said that they'll be moving into the new building in May

yahoo,,near to 1UTAMA..strategic place for KPMG..stressful =fun

My friend got the offer to work in PWC, he damn happy, sms me after he got it, said "Im gonna work in PWC!"

I'm not in account, I'm in IT, so i reply him "PWC or PWTC? Anyway, gratz"

ask him is he happy 6 mths later n tell me the ans, serious

Cut it short to 3 months... haha..

Do Big4 currently hiring people?

Please advice.

They need ppl all the time..

how's the salary at the BIG 4? say by KPMG. Ive heard that not so high, if it is a big company, i wonder they are going to pay high wages for the employees

If I'm not wrong, all of the Big4 r now paying about RM2,450.00 for fresh grad

As long as U meet the minimum entry requirements, i.e. a degree or a professional qualification, and U don't look like an outright dumbo, they'll take U, becos no sane man will work there for life, most are there just for the (brief) exposure.

I think 3 weekends are enough

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I must be crazy

It doesnot matter. Both also good. So, go flip a coin to decide.

Well, I really don't know which unit your friend is in; but i don't know what is it about the department that "sucks". If you could be a bit more specific about what's wrong with the department, I'd be more than happy to help clarify some issues. No matter where you work, there will be problems and issues. So I would sincerely like to know where what is it about the department that doesn't suit your friend.

That's a very unfair statement. Even if you said you've got to deal with silly PwC auditors, I don't see how that covers EY as well. In general, you are generalising based on 1 of your experience. Did you know that EY has the most PLC clients among the Big 4. In addition to that, in Malaysia; PwC and EY are the highest earners among the Big 4. I think the main reason why you thought it was easier to deal with Deloitte auditors was because they have lower expectations and merely do what is sufficient to complete their job. Maybe the PwC auditors were further investigating some stuff which Deloitte just didn't bother with? I would suggest that you mince your words a little before saying things that are completely unfair to people working in PwC and EY.

sorry for not replying earlier. I guess you would have chosen by now. But in my humblest opinion, there isn't much difference if you are joining the audit department as an intern. I think most of the Big 4 will still treat you like a fresh grad and give you a suitable amount of work to do. I would just suggest you to choose whichever one you "feel" is better for you. There's honestly not much difference between PwC, EY and KPMG in terms of audit.

i feel kevinleng has been very just and objective with his reply to the rest here. however i would like to further add into his point. I agree there's not much difference between PwC, EY, KPMG and DKC in terms of audit. As such, it becomes rather tougher to choose which of these group should one join if given offers. However, I do feel we should take into rather smaller and personal factors while making such decision. The factors i am referring are such as, which firm is situated nearer to your hse, which firm has got better car park space infact. Basically which firm provides most convenience to yourself. I know ppl may laugh at my suggestion and said, "Dude, auditors go out of their office wan la".

My answer is, "so you dont go back to ur office at all wan la throughout your attachment with them?"

u'd be surprise the addion amount of petrol bill, tol charges, parking rates you may have to incurred as a result of choosing the wrong firm to work at. I know these figures may be relatively small, but i base my reason to the scenario of a junior/fresh grad coming into the accounting world. already you'd have to work 10-14 hrs a day, the last thing u really need is to drive further and back from office to home and bear more expenses in the midst.

Cheers

i've only gone back to office 10 times in 6 months. i dun think where ur firm is located matters.

I guess it applies more if u stay till managerial level. Managers tend to stay in the office a bit more .

My friend is in TSRS. Where staffs are not guided and some bosses sitting around doing nothing but enjoying the view of their staffs working in misery.

Which unit you're in? Are you guided? Do you know what you're doing is really correct ? What are you comparing against? Last year's work paper? Best practices?

MY friend was telling me.. he spent his time there trying to figure out what is going on.. he learn it himself but then it's like when he moved overseas he realised that what he was doing in that department is wrong. l

His current boss sort of like tell him... Probably that's why clients get pissed at them back in KL. They don't even know what they are doing. How can they "advise" their clients.

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Added on April 7, 2008, 9:28 amwould like to tell you something. There is a lot of difference in PWC, EY, KPMG and DKC.

The difference is in which service line you want to be involved in.

For example...

Specialisation in Ext Audit in Banking: firms to choose would be PWC and EY
Specialisation in Ext Audit in Manufacturing: firms to choose would be DTT
IT Advisory: KPMG has the largest. Their dept doubles every other Big4's (even though after the major movement to BDO)
Transaction ADvisory: PWC or BDO
TAx: EY and DTT (these 2 are currently leading in Msia)

just my 2 cents.




This post has been edited by locorocco: Apr 7 2008, 09:28 AM

Big4 very shorthanded becos lotsa ppl go overses eg Singapore, HK to work-that's why easy to apply. Not so sure what can happen if really got recession in June in US, Europe and maybe even in China/ singapore. Maybe then it will be like big4 overseas- next to impossible unless you are PR. Alos try to apply if your cgpa grade less than 3 or equivalent or no prof qualification like ACCA. Probably no replylah. They go for the well known uni first and then the rest just on respond to papers. Current shortage give ppl with lower scores to apply and if can do well in interview still got chance of working with Big4. Maybe afterwards with prof qualification and ezperience can go elsewhere.

Well, to begin with; I am also from TSRS and I am not surprised at the statements stated by your friend. I believe that at times, our staff are not guided as much as we would have liked. I believe that we are always short of staff and some times the junior staff are given a simple and straight forward training to explain what our job is and are then left to fend for themselves. Being in TSRS, I have not only heard of this but I have also seen it personally. I do not deny that certain staff who have been around slightly longer than others do not always pull their weight but I'm sure you could say the same for majority of the other companies.

I would say that I was pretty lucky when I joined because I received ample training to complete my first job and I had excellent seniors to guide me along the way while I was on a job alone. Therefore, I have tried to give my support to the newer staff in the department as I know how difficult it is to start out. I have always kept myself open to questions from the newer staff and always tried to guide them at best I could, following the example set by my seniors when I first joined.

I believe maybe your friend was not taught properly, but we always provide our recommendations as per best practice. In general, we refer to COBIT, SOX and also ISACA guidelines to provide our clients with valued recommendations. I believe that if your friend had the opportunity to participate in our specialised audits for various clients, he/she would be able to see the level of detail we check and the amount of work we put in. I can honestly say that for the specialised audits that I have participated in, the clients have been more than happy. That includes the CEOs, CFOs, CTOs and other upper management.

Well, that's just my 2 cents and of course I believe that each individual person has their own individual expectations of their employer. Even for me, I was alright with the fact that my senior did teach me some stuff before i started a job but after that it was mostly on the job training. I guess it suited me to be put in that situation where I had to be on a job on my own and learn quickly. But of course I also understand that it would be better if a new staff is guided all the way for his/her first job. Hope you understand where I'm coming from. Thanks for taking the time to explain to me.

I think what he means is in terms of purely external audit. There really isn't much to differenciate between the Big 4. From my experience with the external auditors, they do not get a choice which industry would they be placed in. They can state their preference, but of course when they get offered the job; it isn't stated which industry they are in. They will only be informed on their first day.

Besides that, I would agree on advisory teams; there is a difference between the Big 4.

IT Advisory : The numbers for KPMG might be a bit deceiving. In terms of actual advisory, I believe PwC and EY are also up there. Each have their own specialisation.
Transaction advisory : BDO is not part of the Big 4 but their Corporate Finance team consists of mostly ex-KPMGs.

I can't really comment much on the rest.

This post has been edited by kevinleng: Apr 7 2008, 04:18 PM

I'm getting confused about Big 4 dy....its has alot of complicated issued.... Btw, can someone PM me how to go Deloitte??

I've heard of PWC, EY and KPMG... How come no one mention about Deloitte? Is this firm is as good as those 3 firms?