can, provided the electronic crossover can cross at frequencies high enough for the tweeter..

For 2 channel amp with the same brand and same spec, which class should I choose to play my component sets at front? AB or D? What the differences between them?

for front usually class AB amp. Class D amp usually for subs, since they cant play frequencies more than 200hz.

difference is them is just their design, not which is better than the other.

its not like in school last time, if clever go class A, stupid go class D

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But as I understand the class D amp is more efficient than class AB, so the output will better or not? I ady read the spec of the amp, both can play the same frequencies more than 200hz (250hz).

efficient is secondary to the quality of the sound amplified

efficient only in relation to power, thats being turned into sound instead of heat, thats all. recently there are class d amps that are able to play full range, however that doesnt mean its better sounding than class AB.

quality of amp depends on how it sounds, regardless of its design.

best sub for my MA AUDIO MA-502 300W RMS 2 Channel Amp...
suggestion plz...

Helo,
This is my first time posting in the thread and im desperatly seeking some help on my ICE system. Soon im going to get a satria neo and after seeing how the stock ICE system works i am 100% going to change it. Im looking for a loud and clear/crisp sound, clear/crisp is a priority but i also want it to be loud which is why im planning on two woofers. I also want it to be surround but im not sure if surround may affect the music sound.

Basicly im looking for advice on how the system will fit togeather. i.e. amps, x-overs.

I want to be able to adjust the fade and ballance so if im not mistaken i would need a HU with 3 pre outs? One for component speakers+tweeters, one for the mid bass and one for the woofers but what about the centre? <-not sure if that is the correct name for the type of speaker.

If anyone can tell me if this system is feasable or if i over looked something please tell me any input would be greatly appreciated

BTW i want to be able to watch DVDs aswell so im planning on a Pioneer xxx-xxxxxDVD model, single Din.

(i have attached a diagram of the setup, so far just the speakers)

please please please help me:D:D thanksssssss

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first of all, can ur player support 5.1? if yes, how many RCA outputs are there? if there's a output for centre then u can install a 5.1 system. can ur HU play active? if u wan us to recommend which comp or amp to get, u gotta tell us ur budget and music preference, too.
btw, i'm selling a set of used Boston Acoustics SL60, pm me if u r interested.

i dont actually have the HU yet but i think that if i can find a system that can handle this configuration the sound would be very nice if im not mistaken? perhaps the cenre is a bit over the top i probibly wont include that. im going to buy the HU based on the confuguration of my speakers.

the budget isnt really a problem, im looking for at the least a mid-end system. i dont have much experience with this so basicly i want to know if the configuration would be good for the SQ and then i will find the appropriate products to power it.

my music will be the kind of things u hear on hitz.fm and techno/club/trance music so il need a big bass and also the ability for really high pitched sounds i think?

if i'm not wrong, multimedia system and SQ system aren't the same. first of all, SQ is very subjective, like in ur case, u love details and punchy bass, sharp highs and big bass, while some prefer laid back sound and moderate bass... multimedia system has to be set/tuned differently, i dunno wat is needed to be set exactly but somehow SQ settings might not be suitable for DVD system. if budget is not a problem, i suggest u getting a single din alpine DVD player and pair it with the alpine H701 processor. then u can play full active multimedia 5.1 setup. amps and comp u can decide after u decided on ur HU. if u wan to play stricly SQ, i think 5.1 is not the suitable way to go. u are better off with front 2 or 3way active setup with sub. of course dat alpine H701 processor can handle this job too, supporting up to full active front 3way + sub. dats all depending on u la. my point is the alpine proc is very versatile which i think suits ur needs, just have to think u wanna pair with which HU. other similar products are Audison BitOne, JL Audio Clean Sweep and etc.

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ok i understand now better about the set up. But if i wanted to power the sound diagrap that i posted above then what kind of features/outputs would i need to ask for? i want good SQ but at the same time a Single Din (to save space) HU with a screen that comes out so i can also watch dvd. The dvd player is only for occasional use and to display the reversing camera so it has to have a screen with RCA input.

i think that it much have 3 pre outs?
1. For the front component
2. For the mid-bass
3. For the woofers

This way i will be able to controll fading/balancing rite?


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if u wan to setup like ur diagram, best is for SQ setup. i would still recommend the same thing, alpine single din DVD player paired with alpine H701 processor. u can play full active like dat. perfectly suits ur needs as u can change the setting anytime from inside of ur car. the processor has 4 pair of RCA output. 2 for front comp set (1 for tweet and 1 for midbass), 1 for rear and 1 for sub. this setup shud last u for a long time. bear in mind such a setup will require a few amps as u need 7 channels of amplification. pay more attention and allocate more budget to the front system, the rear can juz get a coaxials and a moderate amp will do.
P/S: a lot of ppl using this processor in ICE competition.

ah ok that sounds like a good plan thanks. just one question though if my budget isnt big enough to cover all that what would it sound like if i skipped the speakers in section "2" in the diagram? if i use a processor whats the advantage of that? then my HU only need one pre-out if using processor correct? but isnt it easier if i get a HU with 3 pre-out alredy? then can adjust the settings straight from the HU?

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of course u may skip the rear. then u can use a different setup. u can either use the setup i told u or get a single din DVD HU which has a gud built in proc so dat u can play active 2way front + sub.
processor means DSP(digital sound processor), a device that enable u to do time alignment, electronic crossover, equalizer and independent gain for each channel. u can just google for alpine H701 for more info. it's a very flexible processor. this proc connects to the HU via optical or ai-net. if other brands may connect using RCA but i heard dat the sound wasn't dat gud compared using optical. usually a HU with 1 preout onli is a sucky one.

hahahaha! ok i understand. but i cant decide between pioneer and alpine? the pioneer ones look much nicer cos they have the ones with the TV that comes out and they actually make TVs to id imagine they have alot more experience in tv than alpine. any advice?

there are 12 pages in this thread and a lot of good advise on what a good starting system for SQ is.

well, both brands r considered leaders in making some of the best hu. so, alpine is not bad either. sony oso gud in making electronics, so as jvc and panasonic, but their ice products r so so onli.

ok i think either im going to get pioneer or alpine, prob pioneer cos of the dvd and nice 7" built in tv's they have. i dont quite understand how the channnels work in terms of amplifiers perhaps you could explain them to me? because i want to make sure its installed correctly i have decided i am going to install it my self and save money also. thats why i want to know so much detail. could u check the wiring diagram that i made? not sure if its correct or not...


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1 channel = 1+ and 1- on the amp. 1 rca output/input(not pair) represent 1ch. rca is low level output and output from amp to speaker is hi lvl output. so if u wan to play like ur diagram, u need a 4ch, a 2ch for rear and a monoblock for sub. or in order to save space, a 5ch and a small 2ch will do. if this is ur 1st time diy, then gud luck.