Sang that at CF last week!


Check this out too:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugGucoYMmKg



It reminds us all about the most important thing of the Christian faith: Jesus!

Dear Lord, kindly attend the syarikat doing the systems security. They are not financially well.
Perhaps it's management issues,
Perhaps it's market pressure,
I don't know.... But i know YOU are in control.

I speak strength for the management there to do their job.
I speak prosperity for the marketing / business development there.
I speak integrity for accounting / HR department.

and last but not least, I speak an abundant blessing for that company, so they can know that you are a GOD that provides, indeed a GOD that provides.

Amen !

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sophiera
HS advices me that the company has management issues, but how deep the issues it's not revealed, probably not for public discussion.
Ur fren can PM me, Ur fren boss is welcome to PM me.

yeah when we notice the argument or debate become dead lock, it is better to drop it off. but then it can be hard due to ego inside us

I declined all spiritual activity behind this act in The Name of JESUS !

According to Luke 9:5, I break all that is against us, be it testimony or not testimony against us, in The Name of JESUS

I speak love and unity in The Name of JESUS !



Perhaps you should leave us Decky. In the spiritual realm, you are contributing damage with this word. Still you are blinded that we want malaysia to be a better place for Jesus.

The experience of Jacob

Laban's Cheating in Marrying His Two Daughters to Jacob - part 2

We can really see God's sovereign hand in this situation. Jacob loved Rachel, but God sovereignly kept her away from him. While Jacob did not labor one day for Leah, she was given to him as a free gift, as an addition. In this we see that God will let you have your preference, but you must pay the price for it. Your preference will always cost you a great deal, for besides giving it to you, God will give you an addition. God seemed to be saying, "Jacob, do you love Rachel? I will give her to you, but you must pay the price. After you pay this high price, I shall give you an addition. This addition is according to My will."

Rachel was Jacob's wife according to his choice and preference, but Leah was his wife according to God's concept and will. Proof of this is found in 49:31, where we are told that Jacob buried Leah in the cave of Machpelah, the wonderful cave in which Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, and Rebekah were buried. Notice that Leah, not Rachel, was buried there. God is consistent. In His eyes there is one wife for one husband. God did not recognize Rachel as Jacob's wife, because she was Jacob's preference. Leah was Jacob's real wife. In addition to giving Jacob his preference, God taught him many lessons.

In like manner, for example, you, a worker for the Lord, may prefer to have a certain brother as your co-worker. But that co-worker is selected by you according to your preference, not by God according to His will. Our God is great. If you want your preference, God may say, "I shall let you have your preference. But this is a good opportunity for Me to give you some dealings and transformation and to teach you some lessons. Eventually I shall give you as your real co-worker the one whom I have selected and whom you do not like."

God gave Leah to Jacob. Did Jacob love her? Probably not. In 29:31 we are told that "Leah was hated." Firstly, she was hated by Rachel and then she was hated by Jacob who undoubtedly was influenced by Rachel. Some have taught that God never allows us to have our choice. This teaching is inaccurate. God will permit you to have your choice, but along with it, you will have a certain amount of dealing and transformation.

Morning Guy,

How's everyone today? I was praying and there's a lot I want to share but I don't want to stumble anyone.

I told God, how am I to share the portion of much more that Jesus came to give, all of us when there are believers who don't understand what I'm trying to say. I pray that whenever I do, the HS will open your heart to receive.

Throughout the years in this Christian thread, I think I've participated quite a lot, for many have come recognized what I do. Whenever there's a Christian related issue outside of this thread, many people who are not Christian and even Christians, they will tag me.

No doubt, the Gospel has always been Christ Jesus, this is my ministry even but there are always people who may not understand and will just oppose out of religious zeal when the fact of the matter it's really for our spiritual growth and understanding.

Because of what Christ did at the cross, there's is restoration, reconciliation, blessings, grace, all that was lost and was never at hand but now is made available back to the Father and that is everything. I really mean everything. Why. Because of what Christ did. The greatest gift is of course Salvation but the word Salvation in the Greek is an encompassing wholeness in ALL areas of Life, it is not just eternal life.

There is now hope for life. It used to be before knowing God, we don't have much hope in this life and the next. Yes Christ Salvation is complete for this life and the next.
It is not only the next. By hope I mean to bring us out of circumstances. Even poverty is included though not exclusive. Healing is included because Jesus heal wherever he went.
I don't think for a minute that it is God's will for anyone to get cancer. If you say that it is, I say you don't know God. The one who wants you to have cancer and even death is the devil, not God.
If you say that it is God's will for you to have cancer, you have a wrong idea of who God is.

Jesus died on the cross and by his stripes we are healed. That verse alone is more than enough for us to know that God paid the price so that He are restored and have access to wholesome health.
When we seek Jesus all these are given, we don't have to seek all these thing that the Bible speaks of. Jesus himself gave it to us.

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We can fall into sin but that doesn't change what Christ Jesus has done at the cross.2* Because of the cross, your identity is now hid in Christ. 1*

God never say there is no sin, but because Christ died a once and for all atonement, his judicial eyes is now at the cross, bearing the meaning:
Hebrews 8:12 (NIV) - For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."

That is why in the book of Romans, it expounded in great pain and detail why Christ only died once, if Sin is still valid, he will have to die at the cross over and over again just like the priest under the old covenant who have to perform sin offering every year. But Christ did it only once and sat down at the right side of God. Try and think Why Christ can sit down and why the Priest of the OT had to stand up. It is very symbolic in meaning. The Priest had to stand because their work can never atone permanently but Christ' work, can.

Romans 5:20 basically means that where there is Sin, God's Grace is there to bring you out and it's measurement (of grace) abounds much more than Sin. Read it below.


1*Colossians 3:3 (NIV) - For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.
2* Romans 5:20 (NIV) - The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Nov 4 2014, 11:17 AM

Good morning! Hope you've been having a great morning.
welf
Anyway, a note about the "greek" for Salvation: Yes according to a concordance (I used this one http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/gr...as/soteria.html ), salvation *could* mean welfare or prosperity, but it's an error in hermeunetics to say that just because the greek word can mean a range of definitions, therefore the verse is talking about all those things.

Now, according to my textbook on hermeneutics:

"Both the original language word (Hebrew or Greek) and the English word used to translate it will have a semantic range. There will be some overlap, between the semantic ranges of the two words: That's what makes translation possible. But the ranges will not be identical. We must remember that they are different words and will almost always have different (but overlapping) ranges of meaning"

-Duvall and Daniel Hays, Grasping God's word p 140


The example given was this: in Matt 25:14 Jesus in his parable says "Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his property to them" (NIV)

"Entrusted" here is translated from the Greek word paradidomi and the greek word has a broad range of meaning:
(a)to hand over something to someone
(b)To betray
©to commend or commit)
(d)to pass on traditional instruction
(e)to grant someone the opportunity to do something;to allow or permit.

Now here's the tricky part; Just because the greek word "paradidomi" is used, can we then interpret the parable to say that to "entrust" in the NIV also means to "betray"? No we can't. So how then should we conclude what the real meaning of the word "paradidomi" means in this context? Well, context! In this case, the context of the passage doesn't allow "to betray" as a definition of the greek word.

Hope that helped.


Let me then talk about your theology of healing: you say that disease and sickness are not a part of God's will, but will you agree that God has control over it so it's more appropriate to say that God "allowed" someone to be have cancer?

Then let's bring it to the practical aspect of things: So you believe that every Christian has the holy spirit, so what if a Christian has cancer (any many Christians do die of cancer)? If you say that Jesus died so that they may be healed from their cancer, why do so many Christians die of cancer?

Should we trust you ? after all you did to us ?
Should we trust our faith in your guidance ?
Should we open our life so you can correct us ? should we ?
Should we allow you to lead us ?
Should we allow you to enlighted us ?

Ha, now you're getting it why we shouldn't use secular dictionary. Ok.

No I don't agree that it's an error in Bible hermeunetics. We can agree to disagree after this.

But The Bible has more than enough reason to support that Soteria as encompassing wholeness as welfare, prosperity, deliverance, preservation, salvation, safety.

All these are included because When Jesus came, he did all there is. Healing, providing, protecting, Delivering, etc. That is Salvation manifested here on Earth unto Eternal Life in Heaven.
In the Old Testament, God demonstrated He have no problem blessing Abraham, Joseph, Job, David with abundance. So we can safely say, God has no problem with prosperity. If anyone have problem with this, you have problem against God blessing them.

In the John 10:10 - (KJV) The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

It would defeat the purpose of mentioning twice on Life. It is already more than good enough that Jesus came to give us life. This first portion is talking about from being spiritually dead to Spiritually alive in Christ. And Christ continue we will have abundant of it. In Heaven, everything is provided for. There is no more death, no more tears nor sorrow for the former thing has passed away. What abundance be it spiritual or material do you need in Heaven? None. Why I say that? Because the former things is no more. God will remove that. What is the former things? All that Sin corrupted.

Adam had no problem with providence at the beginning. All he had to do is pluck any fruit from any tree. But After the Fall, What did God said to Adam? by the sweat of your brow, you will eat. Meaning you won't have it so easy as in the garden of Eden. There is a curse. The Devil stole that right from Man.

Now that Christ came, he is restoring us to what was lost in Eden.

No Deck, this world is a Fallen world. You cannot say just because God is sovereign that is equal to Him saying he wanted it to happen.

How do you explain all the beheading done by ISIS? God wills it? We know that is not true.

What God is sovereign in right now and we can witness that, The world has not fallen apart in destruction. He holds it in place.
Of course there is more but If we can establish and understand this, what else is there for the explanation of all the problems in this world?

Who is the one who came to kill steal and destroy? We all know it's Satan and his gang, And Again why God allowed it?
Not because He wants it but because this is a fallen world, deck.

The Bible tells us explicitly, God allowed satan to rule this world. Can we do anything about it? Yes, Yes we can. We can stand on God's word and believe.
Let the word of God protects us and restore all that is lost! That is why Our Lord tells us :The Righteous shall live by faith.
In there has very deep meaning and significance. I need to explain this in parts, not now.

So what about Christians who died from cancer? My Answer is this. God has ordain that it is that's person time to go. All the days of our live is written in God's Book. (Psalm 139:16 )
When it's time, it's time. God can use any way to usher us into Eternal Life, even if the devil wanted to do evil, He can turn it to good. Btw you made it sound as if dying is terrible thing for Christians. It's not. You got to have an eternal point of view to see that even death by whatever diseases is victory for Christians. And I know this is kinda sensitive for some Christian because the lost of loves one is not easy to bear but if only we can receive this truth, we have hope beyond measures!

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Bro Dee.

Peace Peace, I think Deck is not a really bad guy, He just want to uphold the Truth in our Christian faith.

I'm not against him for doing that, I would have done the same thing, had I not been given the grace to see what most people don't see.

I'm very zealous for God's word, deck, that's why I don't give up. Hope you don't think that make me a bad guy.

a faith as big as mustard seed can move a mountain. Matthew 17:20
a faith not as big as mustard seed, cannot move the mountain.

bible oso say measure of faith Romans 12:3

UW: can i say cuz lack of faith, or perhaps another word: the measure is not fulfilled, therefore cannot move the mountain, therefore cannot rebuke the cancer ?

without love displayed... bye-bye...

In the Garden of Eden, basically Adam would not die.
If you say that God is going to restore what was lost in Eden, and I presume you are meaning this to be material and physical, then basically we should not be sick over here.

Also, you seriously think cancer is only about death? You are always looking at things from the surface.

The thing is, the bible talks about the hope to come
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
So obviously, we have faith that in Heaven, God will definitely provide for us completely. If God has already done that over here, what is there to hope for?

You are always implying that God is going to provide everything right now. So then what is the point of hoping then since we have already receive everything.

The behading done by ISIS is not by God's direct will but God allowed it.
Just like God allowed Satan to make Job suffer and destroy everything Job has.

Even Jesus says explictly that
57 And as they went on the way, a certain man said unto him, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest.

58 And Jesus said unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the heaven have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

Meaning, it is not going to be easy following Him.

You seriously think that God cannot destroy Satan right now if He wants to?

The way you write, it is as if Man do not have any responsibility.
When Eve and Adam got tempted, most of the responsibility lies with them and not Satan.

To be honest, what you wrote in this post is just laughable. Really.
You can only write what you wrote here. If you wrote what you have written in other places, you would have been scrutinized very heavily.

Again you twist what people say. Decky wasn't saying that cancer was bad or good.
His concern was since we now have access to wholesome health, why are Christians still having cancer?
Only here. Only here.

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No Bro, I believe many Christians missed it here.

Faith is not something to be "produced" by will power of our mind. It should come naturally.

How does it come? Answer: When we hear God's word.

What is the message of that word?

It will come naturally when we know that our Abba in Heaven loves us. Demonstrated by all he did.

This is not a simple meaning. God loves us. Different people have different ideas about it.

I'll tell you why many Christians lack faith.

It's because They don't really believe God loves them.
There still this fear, that God has not forgiven them completely.

When that binds them in fear, Faith cannot operate.

So you are saying when Peter jumps from the boat, peter do it out of love for Christ, and peter's love produce faith ? is that what u try to say ?

-- correction --

peter jumps from the boat, it's a word that i use to describe event when peter try to walk on the water when Jesus was walking on the water.

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That's because you don't love UW nor support his ministry right ?

on the luxury of missing context you attack him instead of covering him ? c'mon... get out lah from this forum.. enough problem in this world and not interested to have another one from u

why don't you learn from my attitude to cover him and support him, instead of keep finding missing context and exposed it ?

The other way round.

I believe Peter trusted Jesus because He knew somehow Jesus love him, that made him dare to come on the water.

God restored to us to operate his kingdom in this fallen world.
That's Jesus said this word: The kingdom of God is near you.

The New World has yet to come where death is completely no more.
Cancer along with all other decease that can be name is the result of the corruption of sin that has brought upon this world.
The day Man was separated from God, the glory that was upon him is lost.

Yes that's right Faith is the evidence of things not seen. For example. You're believing in Faith for this person to be saved. The guy is not saved yet. The evidence is not seen yet and yet when God answers it, your Faith is the evidence of what has happened. Unless you're implying this part that says: the evidence of things not seen equates to it will never happened, that is not correct understanding.

Yes God will provide even right now. Why do you think Jesus says But your Heavenly father knows that you need them See first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these will be added unto you? He is not promising that in Heaven. In Heaven all is provided for, what else do you need? Nothing.

No. God didn't want Job to go through all that suffering. You forgot, it was Satan who was the one who instigated that! Satan wanted that. If Satan had not instigated against Job, it would not have happened.

No. When Jesus says Foxes have holes, and the birds of the heaven have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head,
it means that: Foxes have homes, So does birds have home. Jesus couldn't find a home with his people. The Word Lay his head is the exact meaning when He gave up his spirit and bow down his head on the cross. What does all this mean? At the Cross, When he died and rose again, now through his atonement, Jesus can make his home in our hearts when we invite him. (Revelation 3:20)

Yes God can destroy Satan if he wants to but He will not at the moment. Why? Because He has already ordained his doom at the end of age. That is the difference.

That's why I say the responsibility lies with Man in this fallen world, If we don't pray....you get the idea.

Sure you can say it's laughable, I'll only be like what you said: It means that you need to resort to insult and according to how you define that....

Only here? Looks like you still don't get, I thought you did.

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Hmmm. Seriously, I really do not know why I am still continuing in this.
Help me please Decky.
I am pretty sure you can do that. It's pretty easy. Actually hard because someone seems to not be living in reality consistently twisting what I have said, misrepresenting me and even misinterpreting scriptures and not having any logic. He will do the same thing to you as well.

As I said only here.
If it was other place, he would have got hammered.

Yes, insulting someone is much better then the other person twisting what others say.

Honestly UW, what were you working as before. I really want to know.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Nov 4 2014, 01:47 PM