Welcome zhou  Hopefully not so soon end of the world because I'm still single 

Welcome zhou  Hopefully not so soon end of the world because I'm still single 

Welcome!

Best time to preach the gospel

Thanks for the welcome.

I just proposed to my gf last Christmas... 

orait ... married soon ?

Yeah, God willing, planning now...should be at Dec 2015.

Any devotional material to recommend for pre-wedding couples? 

yes. don't take loan to buy house / car.

If you want to buy house / car, sow the seed in a ministry that put Christ no 1.

Not that many ppl got 100% cash to buy car and house oh

what pills oh?

i once pop more than 3 pills because of severe headache. help me to get some good rest

3 Panadol ?

Dunno what pills ooo. Just knew she tried to kill herself and everything is so bleak to her.

Show care and concern also not really accepted. Felt like, everyone and everything betraying her kesian.

I'll try to keep talking, but susah also. Because I'm a relative stranger. There are other friends who knew her longer and better. Hope that she can accept them lah, but fmjsgkhfjdsfkdslGhjdsfhds I dunno man....

There are times I feel like dying, but one of the most effective way from stopping me from thinking like that was this:

"Even if I were to die sadly, I must make sure I'll make the people around me to be happy first. This way, it's better that I suffer alone, than to allow the people around me to suffer."

And with that thinking alone snapped me out of depression during those times, simply because I wanted to help people first before I die in vain. While it may sound like a sound and morbid technique to stay alive, it is one of my many ways to alleviate myself from sadness, that is, to at least provide happiness to others, so that my sadness will never reach/affect them.

Other than that, I suppose a lot of people have different painful experiences, and I don't intend to judge at all. I only wish that sometimes I should be helping out a suicide hotline before I die.

I dunno...maybe you can use this story the next time you talk to her, whichever helps.

tina, what he said does make sense you are right too, suffering come  from devil yes it's true but he left out the words God allowed it, remember Job?

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1 Co 10: 13 "No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it."

Actually the whole context of Romans 9 is talking about Salvation where  Righteousness is by Faith vs by Works (Human Effort). Something that we cannot obtain by our merit. Why God choose to open up this offer to the gentile world (all non jews -  meaning us) rather than retaining it only to the Jew and change the way to obtain righteousness by way of the Law to the way of Faith.

Everything that was orchestrated, in the signs and the types and the history of the OT of making Salvation known, why He ended the Old Covenant and established a New one in the NT.....In all that orchestrating God is sovereign. That it's by God's grace or mercy, why things happened the way it happened in the OT. That is the meaning.

You'll notice the key phrase is mentioned in verse 8 and 16 of the same chapter. And why He talk about Children of the promise (Isaac) divine birth that is later repeated in more detail explanation in Galatians 4:21-31.

You will understand better why Paul was trying to establish in Chapter 9 when you start to read in verse 30 to 33 and then when you see the next chapter in Romans 10, its all about Righteousness by Faith.

That is the context. Suffering is not really the subject here in Romans 9.

true, but i see from another angle 

i go to mudah i can get car for RM5000 (super old kancil), or get motorcycle brand new for about RM3000 ? that resolves transportation issues
house ? home can rent in kampong / sub urbs for RM500 monthly. he stay in melaka... so assume around that price lah hehe...

i mean cuz they are young, they can stretch themshelves.

now let's assume both couple earn at least RM2000 to RM5000 lahh.... if both couple earn RM1000 or below oh no... then our math kaput lahh....

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the church always need money lah brader.... regardless big / small church ... so the best investment is to invest in church...
our GOD is a good GOD. instead of depends on bank loan and pay interest, why don't we invest in church, and the interest is ... being patience ? from all ends / all angle is good in the long run

Are you sure? 

3 Panadol ?

yes. don't take loan to buy house / car.

If you want to buy house / car, sow the seed in a ministry that put Christ no 1.

I'm quite careful when it comes to Bible exposition. 
If You have your bible with you, turn to Romans Chapter 9 and see why it starts talking about the Salvation of Israel in verse 6 all the way to verse 9

and

why it starts talking about God being sovereign in the scheme of his choosing people from verse 10 all the way to verse 24

and

why it starts talking about opening Salvation to the Gentiles in verse 25 all the way to verse 29.

THEN in verse 30 to 33, why does the starting verse starts like this:

What then shall we say?

It means that the preceding explanation from verse 6 to 29 is to support what it's trying to conclude in verse 30 to 33.

Which btw.....if you notice verse 30 to 33 talks about Righteousness by Faith vs works. What has that got to do with suffering? 

Awww, dude, I quoted the wrong verse!

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I hate it when I'm wrong. Du gehst mir auf die nerven.