my side got xmas party in evening on 25/12 at pj. wanna join?

would love to but i am in klang you are in PJ too far for me

which area PJ? most churches today held their baptism service today i f i am not wrong

or they having early Christmas celebration

Agreed, God Bless.

1 of my cousin is christian and she bring food for us n head to church too.
i not really sure

Dafuq. I'm starting to think their your teachings are going off track and not us.

Before pointing to proverbs for proof that only the strong survive, here's what the New Testament say about strength.


Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.



2 Corinthians 12:9-10: But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.




Nowhere does it say that only the strong will survive



In fact is says the exact opposite. God protects the weak. Only the weak can be transformed by God

Because if the person is 'strong', he's not submissive.


Those who are truly 'strong' of faith are very humble people. Humble people don't force others. Humble people don't aggro people like how you're doing now.

Humble people do not call others names and snark


The moment you start bragging that YOU run the standards, you are applying human standards against God.




That is not true strength.



As TS I kindly ask you to go out, take a walk and stop jeering all of us as weak compared to you. Fellowship doesn't mean we're doormats.



I do NOT want to see another snarky comment from you. Not against me, not against my BF, not against anyone else in this thread.

proven i'm right, now that sophiera already reached her limit

If you welcome him here, don't say I didn't warn you. You don't know who He is but I know that trouble maker.

Why don't you just check his history first? This guy has an unreasonable hatred for Christians.

De1929, there are something it's better for you to listen.

This fellowship will turn into another RWI arguing for the sake of arguing.

It will be a waste of time and turn into bad testimony.

This is not the purpose for our fellowship thread. And you are frankly very stubborn headed.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Dec 21 2014, 07:10 PM

Agreed

i see. xmas public holiday no jam ma its ok if still not so convenient.

hi all, i know this is a sin, but i cant help feeling this way.

this is probably not the right place to post, but i need to get this off my chest. i dont think im a bad guy n when im in my right of mind i would never think of harming or wishing ill towards others. in fact if and when some misunderstanding or whatever comes up that causes a breakdown in relationship between someone n me, im usually the first to concede and apologize even when the other side is mainly to blame.

but every once in a while ppl deliberately harm me in some way and i lose hope in humanity n become cynical. on the surface i appear normal n unfazed, but deep down i want nothing more than to inflict intense agony upon them and anyone they care about. i wish for bad things to happen to them and even imagine scenarios where they are in great need and i'm the only whos capable of helping, but i dont. instead i just stand there watching, smirking as they slowly drain away..

i know many others probably feel or have felt this way as well; its probably human nature, but no one seems to want to talk about it seriously. i know im sinning, but i cant help but feel the way i do... i start asking myself things like why God doesnt do anything, why he prefers to play the role of the silent observer when things are going to poop, why he doesnt just zap these ppl into oblivion because i know i definitely would and the world would be a better place.

the bible says to forgive, but i find that i have a hard time forgiving these ppl. especially when its something big. sure on the surface ill normalize relations and be friendly, but deep down i still wish them ill. sometimes its not just the actions, its the way they did it, the look in their eye when they did it. their eyes, it conveyed the message like they knew what there were doing was wrong n the pain they would cause, but no sht was given.

then im left mentally hurt while they walk away and forget about the whole thing only come back sometime in the future with the intention of reconciling as if nothing happened or it was something very minor to be swept under the rug and wish for things to go back to the way they were? in these times, i cant help but feel that they are doing this because it is in their advantage to do so and as a result i hate them even more. like theyve taken out massive debt, spent it all, defaulted and a couple years later go back as if nothing happened. but i digressed and having ranted long enough, will stop here.

you wish, bro but i highly doubt that holiday season highway packed with cars everywhere

we are just human being but wishing something bad is not really our culture of coz bible say forgive but it's hard to make it into action all you can do is pray for forgiveness from God, ask him to guide you to be a better person

thanks for sharing your heart inside. do you also share also to your good friends or someone whom you trust and at the same time could give you the advice you need?

ok noted. i give him a chance... people change right ?

welcome and feel at home pooky ... pour out all your feelings here, so i can ask HS (Holy Spirit) what should i write to you in reply.

Where is the place you can ask, comment, argue and still anonymous if not in this forum ?

anyway as start, to comment your post, i would like to recommend watch this youtube of joel osteen. Get it with open minded

Show me what you can do to remove me from here... please... i would like to test if my ministry here should end, or should continue... go ahead... do anything necessary to remove me...

go tell the moderator to ban me. perhaps that's the way to end my ministry here ? to be honest, let all reader knows here... the strong survive ...

if Christ with me, who can against me ? You ? 2 of you ?

I don't think I need to say anymore. The post kena report liao.


So folks, I'd like to point to a link
http://carm.org/signs-practices-of-a-cult

There is a very fine line between standing for your beliefs and condemning everyone who don't agree with you. The latter is what we call cult behaviour


I don't necessarily agree with Pehkay's theology. But do badger him every post and try to change him in public? No.

Do I rub his personal life in his face as proof of his failure? No.




But Dee had provoked every single person on this forum. Both on a theological and personal basis. Apparently doing wrong in the name of God justify the means.



This is what drives even our fellow brothers and sisters away from God. If own family also cannot tahan you think unbelievers will?

Time to ignore. Kacau lagi, report.



Oh is this too harsh, one may ask? Here's what the Bible says about people who cari gaduh


I give you Titus 3:10

Titus 3:10-11 New International Version (NIV)

Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned.




Case closed.

Ya, maybe need some time and event to 'wake' up another person to see the blind spot.

Last time, my leader rebuked me kaw-kaw and yet I still can't see my pride until for many times only realize 'oh, that's pride'. I keep justifying my wrong doing that time.

This post has been edited by ngaisteve1: Dec 22 2014, 01:55 AM

The experience of Jacob

Being Broken Pt 2

At this point we need to ask four questions. First, why did the Lord as a man wrestle with Jacob? What was the need of this? When the Lord appeared to Abraham, He did so as the God of glory. But here we do not see that the Lord appeared to Jacob, but that He wrestled with him as a man. Second, why could the Lord, who is the Almighty, not prevail against Jacob, a little man? Third, why did the Lord wait so long before touching the hollow of Jacob's thigh? Why did He not do it at the very beginning? The Lord must have wrestled with Jacob for at least six hours, perhaps beginning at midnight and continuing until dawn. Why did the Lord tolerate this wrestling for so long? And fourth, why did the Lord refuse to tell Jacob His name? On many other occasions, the Lord revealed His name to people, telling them who He was. But here, after being asked by Jacob to reveal His name, He declined to tell him, keeping His name a secret. Although I do not have a complete answer to all these questions, we can, through our experience, at least partially answer them.

In this portion of the Word, we do not have an appearing of the God of glory; neither do we have a visitation from the Lord. To Abraham, the Lord firstly appeared as the God of glory (Acts 7:2). Later, in Genesis 18, the Lord visited him and shared a meal with him. But this experience of Jacob's was neither an appearance of God nor a visitation from the Lord; it was a dealing. When you were saved, the Lord appeared to you, and many times after that you have had sweet and pleasant visitations of the Lord. But besides the Lord's appearing at the time of our salvation and His visitation in moments of fellowship, there are times when the Lord deals with us. At the beginning of these dealings, we do not realize that the Lord is present. We think that our husband, our wife, or an elder is affording us a difficult time. Eventually, we realize that it is not a matter of our husband, our wife, or of one of the elders; it is God who is here dealing with us.

This gives us the answer to the first question concerning the Lord's wrestling with Jacob in the form of a man. God does not deal with us in an apparent way, appearing as the God of glory. At the beginning of every dealing, we always think that some person is wrestling with us. Often, the wrestling lasts a long time. With Jacob, it might have been six hours, but with us, it may be six weeks, six months, or even six years. Sisters, how long have you been wrestling with your husband? Perhaps you wrestle with him every day. You realize that, as a Christian, there can be no separation or divorce. But you certainly feel free to exchange words with him. Perhaps you say to yourself, "It is unfortunate that I married this man. Since I cannot divorce him, I can at least argue with him." Some wives have been wrestling with their husbands for a long time. The same, of course, is true with us husbands, for we also wrestle with our wives. With many of us, married life is a wrestling life. Although we may think that we are wrestling with our husband or wife, the other party is actually not our husband, our wife, an elder, or any circumstance, it is the Lord Himself who is wrestling with us. In our experience, we eventually realize that the Lord is here. For example, a sister may eventually say, "It is not my husband who is wrestling with me—it is the Lord."

If we understand the answer to the first question, we should be able to answer the other three questions. In His appearing for our salvation, the Lord reveals Himself as the Lord of glory, but in His dealings with us, He keeps Himself secret. Whenever we undergo a dealing, we think that it comes from a person or a situation; we do not consider it as coming from the Lord. But whenever a dealing comes, we must realize that the Lord is there. Do not ask His name. Often brothers have said, "Doesn't the Lord know everything? Since He does, why doesn't He do something about my wife?" The answer is that the Lord's dealing is a secret. Through Jacob's experience we can realize the name of the One who is wrestling with us. For a sister, the Lord's name might be "husband," and for a brother, the Lord's name might be "wife." In some cases the name of the Lord might be "hard-dealing elder."

If we would be honest and open, many would admit that they have questions about their marriage. Many have asked, "Why?" A brother may ask, "Of all the young sisters in the church, how did I happen to marry this one?" Whenever we are dealt with, we do not recognize at first that it is the Lord's doing. Sometimes we do realize it, but refuse to admit it. If we did admit it, we would certainly stop wrestling immediately. Therefore, we strive to the uttermost not to be subdued; rather we exert ourselves to subdue the other party, in most cases not realizing that we are actually wrestling with the Lord.

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