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de1929
post Dec 20 2014, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(imsushi92 @ Dec 20 2014, 01:49 PM)
Any advice on newcomer to church? Should I just attend a Sunday celebration, just walk in?
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depends. some smaller churches may not be comfortable / trained to receive aliens / newcomers.

are you in selangor / KL ? i can recommend only few churches. In alphabetical order:
http://dumc.my/
http://www.calvary.org.my/
http://www.chc.org.my/

just walk in... enjoy the church, trust the message, let them brainwashed you (or else why going to church if you don't trust them ?), and ask more in this forum.

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Dec 19 2014, 11:26 AM)
The experience of Jacob

Being Broken Pt 1

Genesis 32:22-32 relates a crucial experience in the life of Jacob, God's chosen one. This is truly an extraordinary portion of the Holy Word. It is unique, and there is no other passage in the Bible that is similar to it. However, due to the lack of experience, most Christians have not paid adequate attention to this part of Scripture.

Jacob's experience in this chapter is very practical, personal, and intimate. What could be more intimate than wrestling with someone for at least half a night? The Lord in the form of man wrestled with Jacob "until the breaking of the day" (v. 24). The Lord God would never wrestle with a stranger or with an unbelieving sinner. Notice that we are not told that the man "came" to wrestle with Jacob. There is no verse which says, "While Jacob remained there alone considering his trouble, the Lord came to wrestle with him." No, it simply says, "There wrestled a man with him," indicating that the man was already there and that there was no need for him to come. This reveals that the Lord had been with Jacob all the time.
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Interesting. Sometimes when we are lazing around slothfully or doing random stuff that is not beneficial for us the Lord comes and does "wrestle" with us to encourage us to get our act together.

I only recently realised something about the scripture where Jesus says to take his yoke. It is lighter for sure, but it is still a yoke. Once we are saved it doesn't mean things aren't challenging, right?
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post Dec 20 2014, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Dec 20 2014, 04:34 PM)
just walk in... enjoy the church, trust the message, let them brainwashed you (or else why going to church if you don't trust them ?), and ask more in this forum.
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He mentioned he is a newcomer, so maybe he wish to give the church a chance and to find out. How could he trust any religion without first checking it out ?
I will not be brainwashed. It can be harmful for some people when they find out later that it's all really placebo effects.
I explained gods and placebo effects in a thread I started in RWI.

This post has been edited by simpletraveler: Dec 20 2014, 05:23 PM
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post Dec 20 2014, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Dec 20 2014, 04:34 PM)
depends. some smaller churches may not be comfortable / trained to receive aliens / newcomers.

are you in selangor / KL ? i can recommend only few churches. In alphabetical order:
http://dumc.my/
http://www.calvary.org.my/
http://www.chc.org.my/

just walk in... enjoy the church, trust the message, let them brainwashed you (or else why going to church if you don't trust them ?), and ask more in this forum.
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what are you trying to prove? why are you recommending these mega churches?

does smaller church does not welcome newcomers? i wondering where you get the idea from? Jesus said i am the way the truth and the life and He also said Go and preach to the world of the Good News, preaching to them in the name of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.

if small church does not welcome new members how would they grows?
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post Dec 20 2014, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Dec 19 2014, 01:35 AM)
I think... cuz the open minded are not as many as narrow minded ones... I am talking about headcount.

So 1 open minded like me + GOD's grace can simply win and convince 1,000,0000 closed minded ones, only by GOD's grace biggrin.gif

Strong one wins. Basic survival law hehehe...
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QUOTE(simpletraveler @ Dec 20 2014, 05:22 PM)
He mentioned he is a newcomer,  so maybe he wish to give the church a chance and to find out. How could he trust any religion without first checking it out ?
I will not be brainwashed. It can be harmful for some people when they find out later that it's all really placebo effects.
I explained gods and placebo effects in a thread I started in RWI.
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about placebo, are you agree with wiki here ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo

also, your post
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3363587

has 28 pages, for the first 3 pages i gave up try to find ur actual post, imho better ask the writer himself which ur explanation hehehehe biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(srmojuze @ Dec 20 2014, 04:54 PM)
Interesting. Sometimes when we are lazing around slothfully or doing random stuff that is not beneficial for us the Lord comes and does "wrestle" with us to encourage us to get our act together.

I only recently realised something about the scripture where Jesus says to take his yoke. It is lighter for sure, but it is still a yoke. Once we are saved it doesn't mean things aren't challenging, right?
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Haha ... it is challenging because our natural man will go against the Lord's yoke or the Father's will.

If you read my earlier posts, God's heart desire is to constitute man with Himself as his life and content through His working Himself into man.

But our being is so "whole" and "unbroken" that it is hard for the Lord to break through us to saturate our soul (transformation).

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post Dec 20 2014, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Dec 20 2014, 07:53 PM)
what are you trying to prove? why are you recommending these mega churches?

does smaller church does not welcome newcomers? i wondering where you get the idea from? Jesus said i am the way the truth and the life and He also said Go and preach to the world of the Good News, preaching to them in the name of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.

if small church does not welcome new members how would they grows?
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Bro,

Q: what are you trying to prove?
A: I try to prove that my teaching works, and it can be a blessing for somebody who wanna be overcomer like me.

Q: why are you recommending these mega churches?
A: so far these 3 churches aligned with my theology, and i found their system works well and good for malaysia.

Q: does smaller church does not welcome newcomers? i wondering where you get the idea from? if small church does not welcome new members how would they grows?
A: i wrote may.

Do you know that you sound afraid that small-church-members relocates to these 3 mega churches ?

Let me tell you some facts in indonesia.

In indonesia once 1980 - 1990 exist a lot of small peanut size churches with member 30 to 100 max. But they are not united and bring their own theology. Then after that born mega churches and members are leaving for big churches... it just people... they crave for more and more... You can't control people luffy... you can't.

If you love your small church, do something luffy... complaining and attacking me will not be beneficial.
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post Dec 20 2014, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Dec 20 2014, 08:52 PM)
about placebo, are you agree with wiki here ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo

also, your post
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3363587

has 28 pages, for the first 3 pages i gave up try to find ur actual post, imho better ask the writer himself which ur explanation hehehehe biggrin.gif
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I only read beginning part of wiki. .Actually placebo effects need not be medical. People who make prayers are good examples.
About my thread, what you want to ask, just ask there. No need to read every page.
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post Dec 20 2014, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Dec 20 2014, 09:31 PM)
Bro,

Q: what are you trying to prove?
A: I try to prove that my teaching works, and it can be a blessing for somebody who wanna be overcomer like me.

Q: why are you recommending these mega churches?
A: so far these 3 churches aligned with my theology, and i found their system works well and good for malaysia.

Q: does smaller church does not welcome newcomers? i wondering where you get the idea from? if small church does not welcome new members how would they grows?
A: i wrote may.

Do you know that you sound afraid that small-church-members relocates to these 3 mega churches ?

Let me tell you some facts in indonesia.

In indonesia once 1980 - 1990 exist a lot of small peanut size churches with member 30 to 100 max. But they are not united and bring their own theology. Then after that born mega churches and members are leaving for big churches... it just people... they crave for more and more... You can't control people luffy... you can't.

If you love your small church, do something luffy... complaining and attacking me will not be beneficial.
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i am not saying those mega churches not good i am saying from the start you SHOULD NOT FORCE other to accept your own theology, let them find their own path all we can do is guide them. i've been to DUMC before also City Harvest but however i find that i don't fit in there.............so what you should do is give them a advise a honest advise not your own conviction or theology, not everyone has the same mind as you
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post Dec 20 2014, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Dec 20 2014, 07:53 PM)
what are you trying to prove? why are you recommending these mega churches?

does smaller church does not welcome newcomers? i wondering where you get the idea from? Jesus said i am the way the truth and the life and He also said Go and preach to the world of the Good News, preaching to them in the name of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.

if small church does not welcome new members how would they grows?
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Mega churches are more effective in getting a newcomer hooked due to crowd and excitement. When you see bigger crowd, you tend to follow. With small crowd, you may not follow. Also when they pass the money bag, people will put more money as more people is watching. This is the reason why they prefer to spend time passing the bag rather than using a permanently placed box like most other religions.
That's why small churches close faster, due to lesser collections. He mentioned about the Indonesia small churches, you see them ?

This post has been edited by simpletraveler: Dec 20 2014, 09:55 PM
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post Dec 20 2014, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(simpletraveler @ Dec 20 2014, 09:33 PM)
I  only read beginning part of wiki. .Actually placebo effects need not be medical. People who make prayers are good examples.
About my thread, what you want to ask, just ask there. No need to read every page.
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ok, to simplify things, let's assume we agree on placebo effects definitions. if miscommunication happens, just highlight them and i will explain / justify. I also assumed you know nocebo effects, the twin evil of placebo effects.

placebo effects works but the question is... how to make it 2 things:
1. how to make it works for 20 million malaysian citizen ?
2. how to make it works until all problem resolved ?

there is only 1 answer. GOD's grace. GOD will give the christian abundant placebo effects, this is one way to see GOD's grace. The more placebo effects, more faith can be operated. But who supply continuous placebo effects ? only GOD can do that. Not medicine (anti depresant for example), not positive thinking (if you are poor eg.)

If 1 people has faith / pray for healing but surrounding him tells him that the reality is cancer is not cureable ? how can 1 placebo wins against 999999999 nocebo ? the answer cannot. the faith dies and people will conclude that GOD didn't answer prayer, or telling that Word of Faith movement is heresy.

placebo effects is GOD's grace.


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post Dec 20 2014, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Dec 20 2014, 09:44 PM)
i am not saying those mega churches not good i am saying from the start you SHOULD NOT FORCE other to accept your own theology, let them find their own path all we can do is guide them. i've been to DUMC before also City Harvest but however i find that i don't fit in there.............so what you should do is give them a advise a honest advise not your own conviction or theology, not everyone has the same mind as you
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I rather listen to HS than listen to you bro.... who gave me grace ? GOD's grace or Luffy's grace...
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post Dec 20 2014, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Dec 20 2014, 10:08 PM)
I rather listen to HS than listen to you bro.... who gave me grace ? GOD's grace or Luffy's grace...
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does HS ask you to force other to accept your theology? Does HS ask you to force other to believe in Jesus? by doing this you are no different from those muslim extremists
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Eph 6: The Armor of God
10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
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QUOTE(simpletraveler @ Dec 20 2014, 02:26 PM)
Newcomers are most welcome but don't be brainwashed. Observe and listen with an open and neutral mind. Dont pay too much. They are already rich.
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QUOTE(simpletraveler @ Dec 20 2014, 02:35 PM)
Why is Chinese medicine brought in ? I don't see any link or purpose.
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QUOTE(simpletraveler @ Dec 20 2014, 05:22 PM)
He mentioned he is a newcomer,  so maybe he wish to give the church a chance and to find out. How could he trust any religion without first checking it out ?
I will not be brainwashed. It can be harmful for some people when they find out later that it's all really placebo effects.
I explained gods and placebo effects in a thread I started in RWI.
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QUOTE(simpletraveler @ Dec 20 2014, 09:33 PM)
I  only read beginning part of wiki. .Actually placebo effects need not be medical. People who make prayers are good examples.
About my thread, what you want to ask, just ask there. No need to read every page.
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QUOTE(simpletraveler @ Dec 20 2014, 09:51 PM)
Mega churches are more effective in getting a newcomer hooked due to crowd and excitement. When you see bigger crowd, you tend to follow. With small crowd, you may not follow. Also when they pass the money bag, people will put more money as more people is watching. This is the reason why they prefer to spend time passing the bag rather than using a permanently placed box like most other religions.
That's why small churches close faster, due to lesser collections. He mentioned about the Indonesia small churches,  you see them ?
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Listen Simpletraveler.

I don't know which part of the word Christian Fellowship Thread, you don't understand.
Go and look up in the dictionary FELLOWSHIP. This is for us Christians.

You want to argue against Christianity, you're more than welcome to head over to RWI.

Stop your attacks, I find it really stupid. This is my final warning.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 20 2014, 11:55 PM)
Listen Simpletraveler.

I don't know which part of the word Christian Fellowship Thread, you don't understand.
Go and look up in the dictionary FELLOWSHIP. This is for us Christians.

You want to argue against Christianity, you're more than welcome to head over to RWI.

Stop your attacks, I find it really stupid. This is my final warning.
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Don't understand why you call those comments and questions as "attack". I thought every thread is meant for discussions ? I hope the rules can be clearer.
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QUOTE(simpletraveler @ Dec 21 2014, 12:03 AM)
Don't understand why you call those comments and questions as "attack". I thought every thread is meant for discussions ? I hope the rules can be clearer.
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No need to give me that pretentious "act".

The rules are already on the first page itself.

This is a thread meant and designed for Christians to fellowship.

Not meant for trouble seeker such as you to come in here and tell us "oh prayer is placebo" Oh Christianity is after your money" and all that stupid jazz.

HEAD OVER TO RWI. If not I will tag one of the staff and complain against you.


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QUOTE(de1929 @ Dec 20 2014, 09:31 PM)

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Dec 20 2014, 09:44 PM)

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Bro De1929,

Can I request that you don't enforce what God has done for your level of Faith to people who can't accept it at the moment?


And


Bro Luffy,

Can I request that you don't be too hard on De1929.


Can I request both of you to just shake hand and agree to disagree?
For the fellowship sake?







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