i was wondering as i just got myself into ICE last month ago.

All the while i never bothered as i have always thought ICE is for Boom Boom Bang Bang.

I only had the perception when i installed the Morel's and everything begin to change. I could copy my Audiophile Music and play them on the Car. Can bring my mobile HIFI where ever i go.

Last time i was driving a Waja, it came with Clarion Stock Unit and never thought that the sound could be better.

I am considered a Experience person in the Hifi part but ICE. i know nothing. But at least i can relate and compare the sound Quality at home and in the Car.

I have a Morel Maximo with an entry level Pioneer HU. Which sounds much better than my stock unknown brand HU. Now driving a Hyundai Accent. I did some Silent coat and also Dynamat and sound is just superb, other than some small rattling that still happens. I dont have a sub yet so my maximo is running i believe as low as it can go. If i have a sub which will come in a couple of months, i think the rattling will be reduced.


i am just wondering, where are all those experts and Sifu's, or is it Lowyat ICE thread is not as famous as other forums sites.

Just wanna share and ask, if you guys feeling and also those who were once in ICE, why did you Quit?

Malaysia ICE eq is ridiculous expensive,
and alot of big big ICE brand withdraw from the market
Like dynadio, STEG,

Once ICE it is a 4-5 figure thing.
U go see cruthfield and sonix electronix and compare to ICE price here..

is it because last time a lot of big brands, good pricing. Nowadays, the price for locally made and china made brands all as expensive as the previous brands?

Or is it our Ringgit weak, so many distributors dont want to sell ICE anymore, sell other items.

well... it was a roller coaster ride...

morel came along, everyone tried to change to morel... some happy, some not happy...
then scans come... same thing happen...

then there was these ali's and abu's who has system that only perform best with whitney houston songs... now that she is gone... they got fed up everyday listening to good'ol whitney... so they quit...

Then there was some guys... started the DIY journey at 15 yrs old, having a 3-way active system at 19 yrs old... then quit because had to go back to school... Then was busy for the last few years with start-ups...

Then there was this "bert bert" guy who went on migrating to a foreign place with foreign language... so I don't know if he is still playing ICE over there... probably with foreign songs already...

Then there was this wall street guy... who had the 2-way setup done... right up till using blue tacks... then suddenly handbrake, "spent too much on ICE dy..." He didnt come back much already after he told me that...

But if you are at the same town as I am now, you could find me at my installer's anytime I am free... Or at my foreman's... Or at my photo studio... Or at my firm... or at the starbuck's overlooking the sea...

Just not active online... because I dun like roller coaster ride anymore... ;-)

does this mean, not many people would be interested in ICE?

Like Bro Zenn, he is quitting and selling his Genesis, So means hobby bored liau, now interested in something else.

probably i am a bit too late doing this where the golden era is all in the past.

I believe things are too expensive already. Cheapskates like me only buy second hand stuffs and install in the car. I talked to some sellers and sometimes they themselves also found it hard to sell off their old equips, sometimes take months to let go , coz no takers even at low prices.

we're still around, just silently reading instead of posting i guess.

personally i've shifted my attentions to track driving so ICE is a bit in the backburner for the time being. can only have so much cash for so many things

not cheap skate. in hifi, i also buy Used items, after you know that you can never afford new, plus used always better value. To move the next level sometimes for the love of music as a passion, one must seek the most affordable way and method to achieve audio nirvana.

Buying used is not cheapskate, it is that you know the value of the product and you acquire the skill to purchase a proper product.

Anyway i believe many are still here, just nothing to discuss. Is it the ICE has come to a level of saturation?

Theft. ICE is expensive, and if it is gone, its gone.

i think nowadays ICE is not more the target of those who want. i think Sport rims which are fancy are more of a target, Look at the used market for ICE, hardly anything to get.

And it is so difficult to sell, i think the fellow probably sell the Rims faster than a Alpine HU. Or a DLS Amp.

to touch on the sensitive issue a bit on the local ICE scene...

we all are still active in it i guess... some guys quit, inevitable... but those who just pulled on the handbrake, like myself doesnt really see the value of it anymore...

during our early days, there were competition where everyone gathers and gets their points etc etc with a fair enough notion that judging was fair and square...

then few years after that, we get stories that certain brand sponsors some event, biggest pocket wins... that is just bullshit to me till eventually we just moved on...

technologies was moving at that time... setup creativity was evolving... tuning was getting more refined... improvements hardware... till just papers-with-come-value-printed-on-it came into the scene and well... just stalls everything...

to paraphrase a thai sifu i met just recent months, its a 100 points different on the score sheets when you cross the borders... its sad to hear that...

but someone somewhere are still passionate about it... I had one buyer driving across 4 states just to buy a amplifier so rare but well worth the sound! Perhaps forums is not our place anymore...

complaint price? well maybe can complaint buyer?

u buy an amp for rm500usd, install underseat is 80 usd , and wiring which cost u another 50usd

u buy an amp in malaysia for rm1500, you get free install underseat and free wiring...130USD for workmanship and wiring converted to RM by X3 is RM490...

so now ice at which country is cheaper?

Actually not only ice is slow, all non-daily product are slow.....even cafe are complaining their business is bad...Thanks to the smartphone

i think i know who u are

The sifu come out de xD

Seriously... This forum very quiet.
and its very expensive for a young person, Lets say RM 5k for a full installation. quite expensive for a age 23-27 guy
By the time they reach 29+ they got family to support and aint going to play ice =S

Never regret i gotten the entire from u lol xD

Its our economic problem to make us cant enjoy our spending...labour is cheap...what to do...

there's definitely people out there even on these forums still passionate about it.

i still listen to music every time i'm in my car even if it's on stock speakers, and no doubt that will eventually get me back to ICE.
just need to accomplish some personal goals on the circuit until i can be satisfied

Thanks bro for remembering me,

May be I can say is those sifu, those golden years enjoying ice now retired and have more important goals in life now. Things that they have not tried before they go away. Like me, I never bothered, but I just say, why not have one system on my car and at least enjoy it for the moment.

Because they no longer produce good stuff at reasonable price. Most ICE seller place just recommend conventional wisdom stuff -> higher price better quality. Or lack of professionalism.

My uncle play expensive ICE like hell but sound quality sucks, while my father-in-law 2nd hand units are 100x better.

Yup i totally agree, good stuff are no more reasonable.

Reason 1) Our money is weak against others, so good stuff imported are way too expensive, way too expensive.
Reason 2) too many cap ayam trying to be good, so they place price point nearer to the good stuff with no quality at all


thats the same issue in the Hifi world, money dont usually speak that is better sound, maybe better in quality, but if you dont know what you are buying it is still rubbish, even it cost like a million bucks.

Also those who look for used units are people who have done research, did some audition and then get the money ready, so when chance come, they grab it at the price they feel reasonable.

why i wanted to have this thread is to get those still playing and enjoying ice to share again their experience and knowledge, it is sad that music and Hifi is quite dead, you know younger generations nowadays just could not be bothered about high quality sound reproduction.

All they know is, my I phone and my Samsung sounds very good. I know, times have changed, the phones have changed. sound quality and storage files have changed, we have Ape. Flac, Wav, apple lossless, and long gone are the MP3's.

But i can say, the hifi world has become a portable hifi rather than a home hifi. ICE on the other hand, is also very quiet. Maybe in the shops there are a lot of people still installing and playing.

Hey, never expect so many response. Thank you those who have voiced out.

he just met the wrong person..

I still listen to my setup although I'm ready to sell cause its coming time to change car. I reached a level that I was happy with and wasnt prepared to spend more for the diminishing returns.
If you are interested, you could kickstart things by organising a tt. But beware the poison. Good luck on your journey.

long time no see bro

Yea bro. TT time? lol

when? who's organizing? XD

and i probably won't be coming on the iswara, the ICE's a bit f***ed anyways, crossover units damaged/worn down (after so many years of usage lol) and the door panels are rattling already due to the corroded wooden mounts.

My new inspira at the moment are fully stock on ICE so nothing special la

That's why, once change car, most will probably quit ice, that is another reason so many ppl quit,

Anyhow it will be nice for you all to have a tt session,

i believe that depends on individual.

i actually had plans for ICE on my new car, however i picked up interest in Motorsports and i cannot possibly splurge on both and i chosen the latter.

inspira are better performance for ice rather than performance...

iswara > inspira
3 sp auto > 5 sp manual with ikea bulb short shifter ()
58whp > 116whp
rear drum > rear disc brakes
torsion beam > multilink
15 > 16/17"
nothing > ABS/EBD/BA/ASC
carb > electronic multi-point fuel injection

loads of fun bro

iswara

narrow depth of windscreen vs deep windscreen
narrow wide of cabin vs wide cabin
hatch vs sedan
hu at lower dash vs upper dash
low acoustic absorption cabin vs high acoustic absorption cabin
weak charging system vs high efficient charging system
rattling more vs rattling less
overall high noise level vs medium noise level

lots of fun bro

just to say..inspira is not a real performance platform although it has the sporty feel..

no doubt you're right, hence why i chosen the car in the first place and had plans with you also although had to ffk until i'm done clocking some decent times on Sepang la... was supposed to get it done this weekend, but ignition.my last minute canceled/postponed

it is a heavy huge ass sedan which makes it less than ideal for the race track, however being manual kinda makes up for that shortcoming which isn't too bad after all

iswara for motorsport lo...
inspila for ICE lo...

solved...

I have my vios as my daily driven...
and my detomaso as my track car also ma...........

the iswara is an auto la, and no not modding manual.

i like having twice the horsepower for only ~250-300kg heavier.

yesterday, i got myself a magazine from the news stand. The only car ICE mag i could find was Kar Hifi.

So by all means i just bought one and went home. While i was eager to find out what does this mag can offer, i realized it has a lot of Advertisements. Well of course loads of it, page by page. Speakers, amps and car black box and so on.

But i do realized one thing, there are a lot of brands. Dont know local, international or what ever.

there are brands from, many hawk company, Mohawk, AV hawk and so on. There are also many brands from the Quart company. AV quart, audio Quart and so on. Also it seems that the red indian logo and the american eagle is widely used as a logo or brand. either you get the warrior guy with sunglasses or you get the chief of the tribe. I was wondering are they not the same? Then there were the speakers. both also from the same company i presume, just different name. only difference is the colour of the basket. some are yellow and some are green. But the design is exactly the same.

and all of the entire magazine talks about SPL in show off and meetings here and there and oh because it was an august issue they had a small pull out about KLIAV, with some pics in it. i guess there is nothing much to talk about or write about in ICE i think.

Its about what car, what speaker setup. what kind of power, and how the bass comes out, plus you get to learn many new BM words.

The only SQ is the camry, which i believe it should be good. Is there nothing to write about ICE anymore? no wonder you guys quit.

Anyway is there any other magazine that has more informative information probably some setup tuning of sound. DIY speaker box, what is important. Or maybe new technology in the market, or maybe a shootout between new HU models, features function, value and so on,

Or maybe improve using home items like what many hifi guru's do. Does it work? yes, no?

so any nice Mag?

NO mags here worth your time. Start reading here
http://www.icehifi.com/index.php
(old stuff, dead forum)

Then call a tt and talk to ppl.

Nice,

This post has been edited by sonyman: Sep 20 2014, 06:29 PM

nowdays no good quality song...thus newer generation feels like there no need to spend in ICE...

as long as they have smartphone, with Beats headphone is good enough..
for cars they just need USB port...

That's the issue now, young gen, want all in their ear, all about headphones and players, else all in one phone with player.

Unfortunately for us it is like there is no continuation. But never the less, we can still play ice on our own,

Its a sad sad world when ppl think their beats is the ultimate in music fidelity.

try not to be so pessimistic bro

if only people realize

na just trying to be passionate about audio reproduction, thats all.

nice nice, i like this, true consumer advise. At the end of the video some police siren, haha, i wonder why.

Anyhow it sounds like Toyota. Over priced product.

Now people spend $$$ on hand phones and IT gadgets. Bye-bye ICE.

I want KRX3 =(
But if i want to upgrade, need another 10k lolx
HU, New driver, and another set of Amp wooo

Look for used ones...

Mana cari WO?

Hahaha slow-slow find lor, no need to spent up to 10k! We're indulging into sound, not buying brands yea

used 1 day but same price ok ar?

Wahhhh xD.
U told me used P99 available
after looking at the spec can support 24bit file, nice...

yes p99 still available..but i think gonna up kete soon...

Actually, this happen very2 long time ago.. cause by young group using Competition Event to make as personal business... Since that day, saw one by one hardcore left this hobby & change to something else... even I can only hold till end 2007 after everybody gone....

I guess I'm guilty of being those guys that pulled handbrake. Last time only thing I mod was ICE, then when start to play performance, hailat edi. Now my ICE setup is halfway done. High end tweeters with china amp and crossovers which does not match, but it still sounds pretty damn decent for everyday drive. Now my car is just boom boom pow with EDM to keep me awake during my long distance drives. This year the amount of times I popped a CD into my player can probably be counted with 1 hand

i still play my music all the time even on stock setup as you've sat in my car before

albeit is a pain to keep burning CDs to update my track list since no usb HU yet
and i'm too lazy to use my phone for it (be it AUX or BT)

Bring back memories as I remember some of u guys nick still. Let's just say that other priority took over ICE. Be it work family education etc... I for one can still sit down n chit chat till kingdom come about ice stuff.. Audit cars definitely a big thumbs up for me... But when it comes to buying ice stuffs or upgrade, it just doesn't interest me anymore. Maybe maybe when u tasted mcintosh, Addzest, odr, Denon or even F1, there isn't anything worth upgrading anymore. Well, that excludes the new harmotech or mercury and all those new brands I seen mushrooming this past few years.

long time no see bro!

can't recall your name IRL though haha

Back then we ICE up our ride to attract girls and to show off. We do appreciate the lure of a good ICE properly set up in our ride.....
As time move on, after got our girl and been through the conversion stage into Home Minister, for some of us the priority start to change. For me the audio and video start to move into the home and some of us into our man-cave. The ride now remain a ride.. but some of us still put in some minimal ICE setup.... but think most of the audio/video spending went into the man-cave......
We stilll show off our Man-cave among the brotherhood... just that nowadays its not having our ICE ride blasting away in a nearby mamak store... Its more of a few beer in the man-cave watching movie or listening to some music while talking about the old time when we impress girls with our ride.........

i never had that cross my mind nor most of the folks back then i don't think? i mean, most of them already have wives or even children anyways.

personally, i just want to listen to music, and i still do even on this stock setup.

There are many ways to listen to music and ICE is just one of them.....
There is the portable type - Headfi and there is the Mobile type - ICE....
If you got the space.. then you will go Home HiFi and if you do not.. then there is always the Home HeadFi Setup...

ICE is just one way... to listen to music... and we are only in our car for certain hours of the day.

For those of us that from Klang Valley... old enough to remember the Weekend ICE blasting along the beach at Klang think years ago where you see pimp up cars and those girls we can only see from afar as our own ride not in the league of the cars that they came in.........

you guys must be really old, cause all your stories start with " in those days"

just like " siong tong nin" hahaha, what the hell, i have missed soo much.

i believe most of the people are just staying in hotel...they dun do anything more than bath, sleep and eat....most time in house yes, but the time for music in house, dun think it will be more than inside car for average working adult...

i'm still filled with music at work/home/car!

i think we should have a TT....its been years since i have touched ICE and i thought of going back to playing ICE but with something different in mind.

I have been thinking of using Media Player --> USB/Optical DAC --> Mosconi DSP. Do you guys think that this is possible? havent really found any installer that is able to do this for me as most of them would recommend me to just use a car player and they claim that it would sound better than the system that i have in mind...

organize one then

and personally, in today's fast growing technology and what not, imho car audio is really behind.
so long your idea is feasible (Which i think it is), by all means go for it

car audio DAC is not very common, I listen to WAV files, but many shops dont know what is it? else they will assume it is an MP3.

But wav and flac are widely used in Home hifi, which usually, uses a jitter control usb > SPDIF> Clock control > DAC > preamp and then power amp.

If you study DCS systems http://www.dcsltd.co.uk/vivaldi/

things like vivaldi systems, just for source you need so many components.

But i still do agree a Head unit still plays CD better than other files.

well ...i have 500gb worth of Wav and Flac for my home HIFI so i thought of using DAC to play my FLAC and WAV. i am now contemplating between these 2 solution

1. laptop-->USB-->i2S convertor-->AudioGD DAC-->Mosconi DSP

2. Portable MP3 player-->Optical-->AudioGD DAC-->Mosconi DSP

as for my speaker, planning to us back my Alpine F1 but change the Mid Bass to ScanSpeak model...find that the F1 Mid Bass is slightly slower

Jason pls organize a TT. over 1 year never TT jor leh

assuming you're referring to me - stock car ICE host TT, paiseh wo

i would love to join you guys, but usually after 6 everyday i be in jail at this time. So TT is usually a bit difficult.

But then again, if any of you dont mind coming to Setia Alam, would be nice, then i can join. Thats just a suggestion.

I was also quite active in ICE and died down as well.

My setup is somewhere pretty decent and I don't plan to upgrade since 2010. Here's a few reasons why. Hope I don't offend anyone.

1. New cars - Default HU comes with navigation, and panels are customized. You have again, to pay crap load to installers for some plastic to fit your Macintosh MX406.

2. Theft - I was afraid of finding my windows on the road and my HU/Amps gone. Although now, I think people are more into laptops..or even your whole car. These days, there is no demand for them anymore - i strongly believe it is due to no.1.

3. Installers - Not many of us do DIY. It's just not our culture unlike the western world. They spend months building everything/anything on their own. We pay people to do it, and that is when we are at the disadvantage. You get chopped if you don't know your stuff. You get chopped even if you know your stuff. I'm sure there are many experiences people can share.

ps. diymobileaudio.com is still very much alive.



4. Community - there was a great community in mycarhifi and another forum. It died, and I don't know why. It could be the above.

5. It then boils down to demand and supply. As the demand becomes smaller, my upgrade plans become slimmer. I can't sell my current setup to upgrade - which is a good thing as I save money . So I stuck to it. It will be just a matter of time that I sell my car together with the setup and go with the new car's default HU.

This post has been edited by kenlimfornication: Nov 20 2014, 06:38 PM

Nice write

My guess is like this
new generation/new player for ice:
- must have d latest iproduct or iPad
- must have latest phone
- must have an artisan coffee frequently/cool hangout place(rm10 per coffee
- must try all d latest foodie n cakes n post up at FB
- preferably vios city standard or vw golf gti n etc
- into camera trend (canon nikon lar) + selfie

one generation before, whois current icer or retired
- migrated to HT or home hifi
- purchase a new better house, financially tied down

New generation lifestyle is very different compare to previous. Hence its understandable why there isnt much new players at car hifi..not much reserve

but on the other hand, there is still a number of active car hifi lovers out there..

Sonyman,
If u wann audit car hifi, recommend u listen to this ride. Customer become a good friend. He even help me iut at kliav for 2 consecutive years.
his ride has all my latest R&D..mostly non comventional audio setup. This is d only ride whic have the most premium home hifi parts/components in it up to current development
he is usually available on weekdays from 2-4pm occasionally

This post has been edited by carcrazy: Nov 24 2014, 10:12 PM

siapa tu

Siapa tu?



Those were the days... when I started as a basshead...

Came out of retirement recently... to finish my unfulfilled dreams of having a proper front 3 way setup...

On the way... A-pillar is on the careful hands of Famous Audio, JB.


This post has been edited by craziechild: Nov 25 2014, 05:35 PM

Whose ride you talking about here?

Sonyman
let me know when ur free..dun think anybody here knows him.
the system has very good natural harmonics.
over d years hardware remains unchanged but internal upgrades n external power supply and cabling including high purity power n grounding makes big diff.

Next week maybe.give you a call.

i want also

hey, why not we have a TT session in Carcrazy's place? Since he i think sells audio stuff as well,

if he dont mind.

Well ICE is more of a multiple-stage endurance journey in my opinion. Its not something you achieve instantly. In any journey there are those that make it to the end and those that quit along the way (due to multiple reasons). Similar to ICE, some can spare the time and of course the money to go along with it and some who are just tied down with other commitments and priorities thus deciding to quit/retire.

Just my 2 cents....

That banner is your cockpit?

Super work on the A-Pillar!

Thanks, unfortunately thats not my cockpit...

This then is my cockpit...






This post has been edited by craziechild: Dec 5 2014, 07:34 PM

not bad either

i wanna ask. anyone here went to Mace today?

Any nice pics to share?

There are alot of people playing ICE. Some people play ice but dont care to share or just play for their own syiokness. And another reason is buying power. Some type of people i've known goes for cap ayam types and they already song enuf. No matter how sad, how bad, how rubbish the setup is. Its still called ICE. As for some hardcore ICE, they keep lowprofile espcially some guys ive known owns better stuff than mine, they dont go for autoshow. Why? Snatch theif, robbers. They blend along with the people when its autoshow and target the car. They are scared of those. I got a few friends and including my lil bro kaki ICE but dont show off and dont really go to forums.

Depending where we are for the ICE is actually pretty alive in the 'unique' ICE level as shown here!


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How many way is this? And is this a fulamak system setup? Now you away

Currently the owner is on a already heavenly 6way active & is gunning for the mystical 7way active, with no processor needed in the entire precise tuning skilled system!

active without processors...

explain more...

Couldn't describe in words in such skilled tuning system. Best is to sit-in & listen by own ears...