New 350D replacement? check out engadget



http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/canon-g...lr-for-photoki/

This post has been edited by kitman: Sep 7 2006, 09:40 AM

it should be Canon 350D successor....
replacement just sound weird...

okie dokie ....... changed to successor - sorry if i mengingung perasaan setengah-tengah golongan yang tertentu

dust cleaner! so only nikon doesnt have one...the auto focus also looks good. of course the best is d price..

but will it end up more expensive in malaysia?

Canon EOS 400D DIGITAL

http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/eosdigital3/index.html

10MP CMOS sensor

High-precision CMOS sensor with automatic cleaning

High-speed, ultra-fine imaging engine for fast and faithful image capture

2.5-inch, 230,000-pixel, LCD monitor with wider viewing angle

3fps continuous shooting with up to 27 shots per burst (JPEG Large/Fine)

Automatic cleaning of optical low-pass filter with minimal time and energy

Crap... and i got the 350d around a month ago...

It may have enhanced features or facility but I think the feel and build quality will not be entirely improved and like holding an upgraded "350D MkII"

is it full frame? Or maybe not......

Looks interesting. Maybe they might launch this 400D together with the EOS 3D. Or has that already been released?

This post has been edited by julchin_09: Aug 25 2006, 03:01 AM

it is like this-lah... high tech thingy... never ending upgrade

wow!
which is better?
Nikon D80 or Canon 400D?

yawn...
as expected liao.
after nikon come out with a camera, canon are going to retaliate.

nothing new.

its a cropped full frame ;P

anyway, name sound weird though 400D.. ehm...

love the price!! Damn, so many choices, altho my money is still running towards D80.

wahhh not even touch down, already decided to buy D80. the force must be strong in there

anyway, this 400D sure look more promissing than the 350D

Anothere review about this camera, click here


Looks like the price also not so expensive

i think if this comes with the live preview function then it wil be the BEST

the stiffer the competition...the better it is for us consumers....no wonder Canon throwing the 350D with free 2nd lens now

350D to cost USD100 less once the 400D comes to market...
wonder if can get the discount from the shops right now,.... ;}

Seems like the 400D is just a nominal revision of the 350D.
Nothing really major here. Nothing to make people run out to the store and buy one. Not revolutionary enough to sway people from the Sony Alpha A100 or the D80, IMHO.

All this competition though, is very good for us consumers!

friend shopping dslr now ..... currently more towards sony alpha. times are good for entry dslr this next couple of months.

we have:
pentax k100d
olympus e500
olympus e330
sony alpha a100
nikon d50
nikon d80
canon 350d
canon 350d successor

Sony alpha low light performance not very good, Pentax K100D reaction time slow...olympus forget about it ....i will still say nikon or canon...

pentax how? good or not?

nikon and canon overated ...... ...... there are other cameras also. if it is true only nikon and canon makes good cameras - the rest ta pau long time ago.

This post has been edited by kitman: Aug 25 2006, 01:00 PM

10Mp is good.....better than 30D reso by the way...but then who needs 10mp on a 37 burst when you can have 8.mp on a 60+ burst....nyummy....

This post has been edited by antonio: Aug 25 2006, 01:17 PM

Its a very different ball game altogether in the digital & hi-tech electronics field.
Look at Canon, Nikon, Oly, Pentax, Konica FILM SLR. Each offered some models which became a legend and unique in its own right. They didn't simply churn or upgrade new models every now and then like what's happening now.
Its was like having hand made Rolex with precision engineering for keeps, unlike now we're like flooded with cams that would have a shorter lifespan and worthless in due time.

well p&s digi cam already like handphone. buy latest model every 6mths just to make fashion statement. camera biz very susah la, most stocks obsolete in 6mths.....

not overrated lar, more like "safer choice". i think this 2 brand is reliable. not saying that other brands not reliable, but people already comfortable with Nikon & Canon.

but there is still hope for other brands lar. more competition, more good products.

canon and nikon are not overrated...
look at their collection of lenses and accessories...

You can't place everything in this order. It will be very difficult to choose as you are comparing apple, pear and orange together.

1st you might want to think of budget. The list you will have would be...

low budget:
Nikon D50 (no stock)
Pentax K100D

average budget:
Olympus E500
Sony A100
Canon 350D
Nikon D70s

above average budget:
Olympus E330
Canon 400D
Nikon D80

If budget is not a problem, then you have to go for features rich battle. Choose whichever you want the most. Low light performance, Anti camera shake, Anti dust and etc etc...

Sony A100 is not that bad after all. It is one of the features rich camera body on the list. Albeit from poor ISO, it does carry anti camera shake, anti dust, eye-piece auto focus sensor and etc etc. As for K100D, though it had a little bit performance issue but what do you expect for a 2k range of dslr?

As for Canon 400D and Nikon D80, though it is nice entry level but the price would be a little too expensive. I believe those models are close to 4k plus. So is it worth to toss in extra money to get a little high tech?

Just think what you need the most will do...

Not that Canon and Nikon can dominate the market. Others are equally good only depends on what you prefer. Some may goes for brand... but I would say choose whichever offer you the one that you need the most.

waiting for a review on
D80 vs 400D

i think D80 and 400D is different class...400D will be more in the price range of 350D..a direct replacement model IMHO....

as for D80 is somewhat in a fnny range between D70s and 30D

Nope... both are in the same range. D80 is more like a combination of D50 and D70s. It is not a revolutionary unit.

mind to tell how much u bought it?

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=297711&st=100

here have a similiar topic and some prices references


And while everyone saying D80 is similiar to D200 ,dont forgot so is 400D technology also similiar to 30D ,

Entry level is still entry level
Midrange is still midrange ,we can see it from the Continuos Shoot also (5FPS for midrange ,3FPS for entry)
remember entry is still entry ,Nikon using 11 AF point while Canon is 9 AF point ,this doesnt made Nikon entry better then Canon midrange ,from the continuos shoot we can see it ?
And I wouldnt believe if D80 will be as fast as D200 ,because NIKON is not stupid ,if its the same ,no one will buy their midrange but all go for D80 , entry is still entry ,midrange is still midrange (from the Continuos shoot FPS we knw Nikon will purposely limit the entry no matter how)

Nikon D80(body only) US999 , (18-135) US1299
Canon 400D (body only) US799 , (18-55) US899
Sony @100 (body only) US899 ,(18-70) US999

This is US SRP for 3 10 megapixel entry DSLR.

Which one u choose ?

someone might come out with a cracked firmware for D80 and make full use of the cam 1000 like D200 since its the same moduble, i assume they can be done the same thing via firmware

another cannot compete is the 3d matrix sensor

To differentiate between the classes of Canon's SLRs (both film and digital) is simple. Canon's entry level SLRs have three numbers in them (i.e. 700, 350D, 400D). Their semi- pro range have two numbers in them (i.e. 20D, 30D, 50). The professional range has a single digit, i.e. 5D, 1D, 3.

This post has been edited by elb: Aug 26 2006, 04:58 PM

sure the classes are different but what we are seeing here is the trickling down of midrange dslr functions down to entry level dslr, eventhough some of the specs might be a step down of those in the midrange dslr.

me?
i will go for the nikon. but that's because i already have nikon lenses...

i`m go for 400D

the more i look at 400D, the more im absorbed by it. i want it so badly... there's a review on 400D http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Canon400D/index.shtml & it says it's a good dslr. i want it!!!

hey hey... anyone know the current price of 400d izzit out yet? i'm interested to get one..

Will be another month or so in Malaysia market...

It'll be out about late October or early November. Street price would be about RM3299 body with 18-55mm Kit lens and RM2888 body-only.

wow... so cheap geh?

899 usd wat.

kenot straight translate like that wan de

Based on a rough figure I think it will fall between RM4500-RM4700. 1 more month to wait

i think its around there too
D80 is selling for 4500-4800 now

more infor

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/XTI/XTIA.HTM

Guys, lets just say that the 400D is out of my budget and I've narrowed it down to 2 models. 350D and Sony a100. Which would be a better buy? I just want an all rounder. If the a100 doesn't suck at high ISOs, it would be a no brainer right?

BTW, how much is the 350D now? The a100 is selling for RM 3099 with the lens kit.

Thx in advance!

it was at RM 3050 with kit lense and another free 90-300mm lense
but the promotion is over now (the free lense)

not considering Nikon D70s?

^ err.. Nikon D70s, never really read that much about this camera. Maybe because I'm used to Canons, never had a dSLR before though.

Hmm.. i'll go check out the 350D price one day. But its kinda hard to buy a camera when u know there's already a successor to it.

i feel u
i oso under budget....


or u can always go for second hand higher end models
but 1st hand stuffs always feel different

the 400d is much cheaper than the d80. so how can both be priced the same?

how much more?
dun put the USD prices again pls

want Malaysia shop details

so far, no details whatsoever from malaysian's dealer regarding the canon dslr right?

sadly, dont have
thats y im going for D80

If I were you folks, exercise patience lah!. when newly released, ain't that farnie problems of stock availability and stiff prices, LCLY dealers making shopper's life difficult are bound to occur. Wait till market stabilize in few months, better discounts and maybe they'll bundle extras during seasonal and year end promo's.

aiks...if it's around that price..i think 30D will be a more decent choice..the only thing that attracts me is its dust cleaning function...i doubt i will be needing a 10 megapix camera for normal n wedding shots...the more megapix means the more cf cards needed...8.2 megapic is fairly enough for me...

actually there is no more stock for the free item 90-300mm, replacement are 75-300mm which i oledi grab

400D will be lauch on 5 of sep...

cant wait to hold it

Dun hold it ... BUY it! Hahaha ...
If you happen to hold/buy it, do let us know the price ya?

But actually the freebie 75-300 is not that great also ler..cos they didn't gib the IS models... if u fully utilize the zoom very easy to blur if you're not tripod mounted

the dust function is barely a plus point
u will still need to manually clean it if really got dust problem

and if u dun change lense that often, its not really an issue
like erm, maintenance every one month or more extreme, once a week
and its barely 10 minutes job

dust cleaning system is more of a "make-up" accessory
if they add anti-shake, better

free a zoom lense consider ok lo
if IS free, dream oni can...better get the tripod
huhuhu

cant see anything on Canon Malaysia website. Are you sure it's launching on 5 Sept?

it's launching soon .... within da month ....
it's not on da website , probably it's not announce yet ?

The EF 75-300mm is great as a all-rounder telephoto lens, and it's cheap (<RM1000). The IS version would cost about RM1000-RM2000 more depending on the make, L lens construction or non-L lens construction.

Blurring at maximum focal length is actually not a lens problem, it's a user problem, let me explain. The way the user hold the lens is very important. At 300mm for a non-IS or non-internal focusing lenses, hold as far as poosible at the lens barrel to assist stability and keep the camera as close to your body as possible. In all cases, do not hold the lens at the focussing ring coz at AF, the barrel will be distrupted when the camera is trying to achieve focus.

Sept 5 ... it's today!

wow, thanks for ur advice......wish to hv a friend like u so that can teach me to use my 350D.... ......now still exploring the basic function which also make me .....

Err..guys, I was at Sunway Pyramid and the 350D price is RM3K. Includes Lens kit, 1Gb SD and a tripod. Is the price ok? I think i'll go for the 350D instead of the a100. I can't swallow the high noise at high ISO.. besides I don't think there's much difference between 8 and 10MP.

What do u sifus think? Any opinions?
Thx!

u r right about the noise
u r also right about 8MP and 10MP (for most ppl)

so it other things not that important, go for it!!

While you can forget about the issue about high iso noise and additional 2mp, the improved AF borrowed from the 30D might be worth it.

As quoted from dpreview:


I have been playing with a 30D a couple of days ago and the 50mm f/1.8 + larger viewfinder made it a breeze to focus, compose and shoot. The AF was much responsive compared to my D70s + 50mm f/1.8 so i think the AF does makes a difference in shooting.

Now i'm even more gatal for D80.. unexpectedly poisoned myself thru a canon. Geez....

Heard the 400D + Lens kit is priced at RM 3.6K. Now thats worth saving money for then..

350D Kit with 1GB SD Card and Tripod is a good price! It is also worth it even if you decided to pay by credit card and the extra 2% for it.

Nonetheless, get ready to be supplied with a dunno-what brand of card and tripod. Heck, even if they supply you that, just keep those as spare and buy better ones for everyday use-lor.

Dun worry about the noise, I am yet to see a digital camera without a 'problem' of noise. What kind of noise do you expect to see at 3R to 8R on a 8MP or 10MP?

Belilah 'tanpa was-was' ... as long as it's a Canon

This post has been edited by ac98: Sep 6 2006, 09:52 AM

but the 400D only with 70mm kit lens is it or 50mm?

for that price rather add a bit more for the D80s

The camera is already here-lah ...

i thought yesterday was the launch?
so the kit is with the 50mm only?

The 400D comes with the EF-S 18-55mm F3.5, similiar one found with the 300D, 350D as well as the 30D if you're getting the Kit package. It was mentioned elsewhere that a Body-only package is also available, dunno how true, but I would advice newbies to take up the EF-S 18-55mm kit lens.

This post has been edited by ac98: Sep 6 2006, 10:56 AM

anyone found 400d street price?

For budget's sake, I suggest you change to the new 400D, which have lotsa similiarities to compared to the 30D. If you dun have lotsa lenses I suggest you sell off your D70s and 50mm while they still fetch a good price and get the 400D with EF18-55mm Kit Lens. That's changing from 6MP to 10MP you know ... poison poison poison ...

Finding out for you ... mostly quoted are in USD, will let you know the Malaysian pricing.

Do they still give the free lense (90-300mm) or (75-300mm)? i think with that price maybe u can squeeze more on the freebies i.e bigger slr bag etc. For ur info 350D using CF card not SD
welcome to our canon family!

Sorry sorry yeah, it's CF card, my mistake
Wahhh ... lek_e30 also welcoming people to the Canon family already

This post has been edited by ac98: Sep 6 2006, 11:43 AM

Actually, if the 400D is in fact RM 3.6K, I'm definitely spending the extra RM 600 to get it. I like the bigger LCD display. and someone mentioned that the AF is much improved on 400D. So yeah, I think I'll eat an extra month of grass just to get the 400D.

Bwahahaha, good one there. But you're forgetting that the D80 comes with

- D200 large viewfinder
- 11-area AF system (new version of Multi-CAM 1000, similar to D200)
- Improved high ISO (based on what i've seen)
- In camera tweaking (D-lighting, image overlay, multiple exposures, color modes)
- Upgraded wireless flash support (CLS)
- Manual kelvin temperature

Must counter poison... lol. I'm sticking to the dark side thank you

Nice try as well ... but actually I am not directing the poison at you. I know you're a Nikoner for good.

I am trying to target those poor souls out there who're still deciding whether to dump their 6MP D70/D70s to change over to the new 10MP Canon EOS 400D or not. I am sure there're many out there based on my observation during 2006 KLIMS and the 2006 Japan GT at Sepang.

"It's cheap-mah, buy lor!" is the answer I always get when I ask "Why Nikon D70?"

Canon made the next turn after Nikon this time in terms of releasing the EOS 400D simply becoz they (Canon) wanna be in the midst of the '10MP hype' that Nikon created days ago and it felt really good to see 1st hand all the photo enthusiates whacking up the units, some without even thinking.

Those who started with the D50 and then got poisoned and strayed into the D70s should be too tired to invest by now, driven only by pure enthusiasm and have not gained any experience in shooting. The D80 is going to be just another heartache. Good news, nonetheless, to the D70s users, who are ever more willing to dump their units for the D80, but I suggest you keep your D70/D70s as a second unit. By the time the D80 is out, your D70/D70s is worth next to nothing.

Most of the Canon EOS 350D user I met recently said "Bang head lar ... 350D 0% interest haven't finish serving the 400D come already! Ayoooo..." If you're one of those, consider yourself lucky. This time round, you have plenty of time to get yourself a 2nd camera body should Canon Malaysia decides to introduce the body-only package later! I made mention about this to the Canon folks months back and they said it won't happen to the 350D ... lil' that I know they did it with the 400D.

On the other hand, the 10MP hype was also prominent in the point-and-shoot segment, but I bet the consumers would've gone "Nah ... why do I need a 10MP for? Not going to print a poster what!" So ... they decided for themselves.

Well you were quoting me in your reply..

But anyway, i feel that it's the same thing in the nikon and canon camp this time around. They are both targeting at the market segment created by Sony A100. What the 400D is to 350D is the same as D80 to D70s.

My 2 cents is that if you have not outgrown your old camera there is really no need for a new one. If you need a second body to work with, the new body should be a nice candidate.

Cheers

Guys, I just gave Boeing (Sungei Wang) a call and they have the 400D for RM 3150 (lens kit included)

Is that a good price or what?

woah. not 3.6?

Sigh ... Well, I have actually outgrown MYSELF

I asked Times Square's Bintang Maju last week Sunday and they said they dunno the price

really? holy sheet... now the poisoned has entered my bloodstreams n no cure.

[edit]is there a roadshow launch for canon 400D? i wish 2 test it out.

This post has been edited by radiounit: Sep 6 2006, 03:57 PM