yes, (let's take STRICTLY umw pennzoil and mobil 300) and from API website, they are NOT certified (and/or was certified, and lapsed)
while petronas they are listed on API, and they are free to print or not print the logo.

again to re-iterate:
on api website, no print logo = ok
not on api website, print logo = legal action

anyone can "claim" or label API SN, or even SO or SV whatever api specification that don't even exist yet (lol... jtx anyone?)
at the end of the day, check with API website

Mobil super 3000 don't have api meh?
I found it anyway.



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Thanks for sharing , chemistry101 .

Yeah , these products offer generally better than 'normal' flash point and pour point.

Considering our minimum ambient temperature of about 24 degrees Celsius and a lousy pour point of a weak SF available locally of

minus 6 degree Celsius , I usually ignore an oil's pour point during selection for local use.

What's your take on this approach ?

ELF appears to not disclose its additive package , which is typical of most oil blenders.

Spec sheets of ELF Evolution Full Tech LSX 5W-40 indicates , among others , that it meets ACEA C3 / API SN / MB 229.51 and claims

to be low SAPs etc.

Its designed and is excellent for post-200x engines with emission after-treatment systems.

However, if your pre-2000 car engine comes with push rod/flat tappet lifter/rocker , I would personally avoid this type of low SAPs

engine oils in the context of valve train protections.

Hope it helps.

http://catalog.elf.com/sites/elf/files/pro...0_022014_EN.pdf

On relevance of engine oil HTHS viscosity values (ASTMD4683) to ALL everyday car drivers like you and me :


A) From ASTM website ,

ASTM D4683 - 13

Standard Test Method for Measuring Viscosity of New and Used Engine Oils at High Shear Rate and High Temperature by Tapered Bearing Simulator Viscometer at 150 °C

................................

5.1 Viscosity values at the shear rate and temperature of this test method have been indicated to be related to the viscosity providing hydrodynamic lubrication in automotive and heavy duty engines in severe service.

5.2 The viscosities of engine oils under such high temperatures and shear rates are also related to their effects on fuel efficiency and the importance of high shear rate, high temperature viscosity has been addressed in a number of publications and presentations.


http://www.astm.org/Standards/D4683.htm




B).................So HTHS is related to any engines operating in Severe Service.

Heck , what has this 'engines operating in Severe Service' has got to do with you or me ?????????????????????



C)Your car engine is subjected to 'severe service' , if any one of the following parameters applies to you or me in our everyday driving such as , among others :

a)driving at less than 6 km per trip, then shut down engine;

b)multiple engine starts and multiple engine shut-downs in a day;

c)driving under cold weather/raining days;

d) Frequent idling for long periods of time, such as stop-and-go driving in
heavy traffic. Many vehicles are subjected to this condition twice a day
in commuting to major cities...... KL/PJ/JB/Penang/Singapore folks be warned !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

e)  Sustained highway driving in hot weather (sounds familiar ??), such as vacation travel.


f) Towing a boat or trailer, carrying heavy objects/loads on a rooftop rack/car boot.


g) Driving in dusty conditions, such as dirt or gravel roads. Kampung folks jaga jaga !!


h) Driving on steep hills or mountains on a regular basis. Kaki Genting ? Orang Pahang ?


http://www.aftermarketsuppliers.org/Counci...lish/94-1R1.pdf



HTHS viscosity values has everything to do with your everyday driving habit ................... and Nothing to do with motorsports , in a way.


Folks , wanna better protect your car engines durability , check with ASTM/API on HTHS and its importance to your everyday driving.

don't try to nitpick on details and again check on the viscosity difference affecting variance in HTHS ratings la

Nice write up.

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/viscosit...rter-d_413.html
knock yourself out.

hi, want to enquire how is the engine oil for total? for kelisa kenari use
and penzoil ? seem cheap for rm5x only

Hi folks.. Anyone have review on the following oil?
Many thanx in advance.

1. Mitsubishi (Under Eneos) 5W-40 Fully Synthetic

2. Lexus 5W-40 Fully synthetic.

TOTAL QUARTZ INEO MC3 is superb. Not sure how their mineral oils perform.

Eneos fully synthetic is japan made.
Lexus is U.A.E made.
Just vote for your favourite country ;p

Hehehe.. OK OK!
Any reason y r they relatively cheap in the market?

How cheap do you mean? Below 100?

This MC3 claims low SAPs, SN and I don't know its phosphorous/SA/calcium contents for now.

Thus , I would be hesitant to select this oil for a Kelisa Kenari.

I would look for SA about 1% or higher with SL or higher specs oils, including mineral oils.

Btw, the Mobil M1 New Life mentioned here some days ago would fit this bill.



Note: I guess this Kelisa engine is flat tappet , correct me if I am wrong.

This post has been edited by zeng: May 22 2015, 09:33 PM

If the oil is SN-licensed, low saps is a must.
How low is it? Perhaps need to ask the HQ in France.

I can understand your points.

At similar value x % SA/phosphorous/sulfur content , A company says it's low SAPs whereas B company says it's mid SAPs. Now

which is which ?

I too am confused at times just like you.

If you notice carefully , i wrote :

""This MC3 claims low SAPs, SN and I don't know its phosphorous/SA/calcium contents for now."" (Note: I apologise

for missing out the word know previously )

Can you see why I am hesitant to recommend this oil for Kelisa/Kenari ??

Now,let's look at this Mobil 1 New Life 0W-40 quoted by Quazacolt having specs of SN, sulfated ash 1.3 % and phosphrous 0.1 %

http://www.mobil.com/UK-English/Lubes/PDS/...Life_0W-40.aspx

This is the oil specs that I would be comfortable recommending for ck_boon's Kelisa/Kenari.

woah don't simply quote me, go query API directory yourself.

Pardon my england.

Correction :

""Now,let's look at this Mobil 1 New Life 0W-40 quoted by Quazacolt which is having specs of SN, sulfated ash 1.3 % and phosphrous 0.1 %''"

Any problem ?