what is p2 oil?

Standard Perodua EO (White or silver bottle API SL for 5k km oil change and Gold bottle API SM for 10kkm). API SM Semi Synthetic RM86 per 4L.

This post has been edited by PedangGila: Nov 27 2014, 09:59 PM

thanks.

how much for white/silver bottle?

now taking on interest in this AMSOIL oil 0w20, poisoned by, well, Quazacolt. ok the amsoil Signature Series & OE series, what's the different? both are fully synt right? saw the OE product name in the API page. how much is the price different between OE & Signature?

Intended to use on 4AFE engine. yes its an old engine, so i'm not actually sure 0w20 will do any harm. but reading through this thread, the oil film strength seems to be more important factor in wear protection? currently using 10w30 oil and no oil leak / loss has been detected yet. wanna try this 0w20 on next oil change, for the sack of improving FC, but also at the same time wanna protect the engine.

my driving style is medium-fast steady. you know la, being able to satisfied with your-most-hated CC5's grip level, i don't really trash my car that much.

do.. what do you reckon?? (i think i've always been poisoned by you)

edit: quick look at Amsoil's malaysia distributor website "Vicson Lubricant", i can't find the OE series in their website, only Signature series and XL series. So can we buy OE series in malaysia?? Well, XL 0w20 SN is found on the API listing also, but not Signature series.

p/s: i know you running 0w20 in your Inspira. but are you running 0w20 in your Iswara?? or are you planning to do so?

This post has been edited by efaceninja: Nov 28 2014, 01:55 PM

Ignore the white/silver.

I only know hydrocracked one (synthetic tech, not fully). Try LiquiMoly TopTec 4200, or other TopTec 4000 series. How to get? kakimotor or online order.

thank you again

No problem. All the best.

see that Honda Malaysia now has API SN 0w20 engine oil. how does it compares to the Amsoil? anyone has the PDS?
Just now i went to my local UMW Toyota 3S centre, asking for the price of Toyota's 0w20 EO. they replied me they don't have that grade, only got xw40 and xw30. then i ask, how about the prius or prius C that came here for service? they say they just offer xw30 and/or xw40 ..

Amsoil seems not readily available around my area.. so i now exploring the option of this new honda SN 0w20 oil. hope you extreme badass EO knowledge can shed some light on me lols.

OR, if it is just a bad idea trying to run 0w20 on such an old engine.

Running thin engine oil will enhance fuel efficiency. However, it is not recommended to use 0W20 EO if you're a rev happy person. Stick to the 0W30 EO as even Honda don't recommend their Type R and Accord 3.5l to use 0W20.

different product range.
signature series being top of the line, non api certified.
XL = extended life
OE = normal EO
both XL/OE API SN certified.
https://engineoil.api.org/Directory/EolcsRe...nyName%3Damsoil

http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/moto...ine/?filters=73
dunno pricing for XL/OE but can use above as reference.

if xw30 is ok, xw20 should be of no problem.
If it is, then next oci go back to xw30. simple.

signature series may be excessive for you if you're not into the extreme OCI thing/minor performance/smoothness boost (since it's their top of the line signature series lol)... the additives are just way overboard lol. (hence not API certified)
i went for it only because the bottle was pretty (got signature on it lol), and it is cheaper than Torco SR1 0w20 which was what i initially wanted to go for however they don't have 4 bottles at that time, only 2.

no idea on getting OE series in Malaysia, just ask around.

Iswara is still on the xw30 Motul H Tech 100 plus, still a looooooonnnggg way to go until drain, which yes i am tempted/planning to go for 0w20
my sis complained on cold start sluggish since the valves clearance were tightened for my track performance purposes... and sluggish cold start? 0w20 is PERFECT

no idea, not bothered on Honda brand.
SC/mainstream branded EO = you pay for the brand. and i already commented on paultan blog, the damn thing isn't even API SN or even API certified at all unless someone want to point out who's the exact OEM for this honda new oil that i'm lazy/not bothered to check.

if you can dig back your manual and see it's viscosity range, +/- xw10 from that value shouldn't be of any issue.

yes and no.
it ultimately depends on your engine oil specs assuming they are from reputable brand (and preferably API SN certified)

refer to my youtube videos and UOA lab test result if you're still in doubt.

https://engineoil.api.org/Directory/EolcsRe...anyName%3Dhonda

i thought is under AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR COMPANY, INC name? API until SN for all those listed in paultan.

ACURA ULTIMATE FULL SYNTHETIC <--- different label.

HONDA GENUINE SYNTHETIC BLEND
HONDA GENUINE ULTIMATE FULL SYNTHETIC
HONDA ULTIMATE FULL SYNTHETIC

all these also don't match.
the one in Malaysia have no "ULTIMATE"
and from paultan it's not synthetic blend also.

those still on Honda Genuine are non SN.

that's why i ask again, anyone wanna clarify?

i thought this "HONDA GENUINE SYNTHETIC BLEND" is the one referred by paultan. well, yup looking at paultan's its called Honda Genuine only, so they're different thing?? and also in the picture, there's no API logo printed/displayed. lols that's why need your eye to spot this kind of thing

This post has been edited by efaceninja: Nov 28 2014, 04:54 PM

API does require you to CLEARLY state your brand/model/labels etc.
anything different, have to re-certify.
So with that, yes different and to me not certified unless proven otherwise/wrong which i have requested until now no sound.

that's why i also hate Mainstream companies/EO lo... but can't blame them also la, willing buyers, willing scammers.
like our god car.

pretty bottle lols
i think you just boost my confident level again, or rather, poison level. will try to look for the XL series. XL has got 9.0 TBN, Signature series has wayyyy higher TBN lols, according to their PDS.

LM's Special Tec AA (their only series certified with API) SN 0w20's TBN is 6.6. So i think, Amsoil XL is way better in this regard?

HOLLLYYYY SHEEET LM FINALLY TOOK MY EMAIL TO HEART AND API (re, as they were api certified back in the 2008/2009 and before iinm) CERTIFY THEIR PRODUCTS

anyways.
can't just look at TBN alone, other specs (PDA/MSDS etc, for VI, actual viscosity ratings, HTHS, flash points etc), or VOA (virgin oil analysis)/UOA would be better.

example, even if TBN is 9, however other additives aren't good enough (say, calcium) or strong enough, the rate may deplete faster than say, a TBN 6.
if anything, i still had 6.3TBN after 8500 km on the amsoil signature series 0w20.
although the lab guys mention that TBN depletes at very high rate during the initial stages of the engine oil, however it'll start to slow down half way, which does make sense as the 8500km rate of TBN depletion certainly wouldn't be able to make it till 40k km (25k miles).

Then there's always other additives, friction modifiers etc.
hence the user feedback of "x oil smoother than y oil"

API is always the safe bet as chances of going wrong is much lesser. remember, it's NOT easy to get it certified, as you need money (some companies choose not to certify as they don't want to pay, and/or add to their product cost), and the fact that emissions/cat-con protection etc is taken into account, while at the same time you have to protect your engine wear on very stringent tests at insane temperatures/hours.

i'm comfortable on the signature series/300v as i'm going to do UOA anyways... and they are products that represent the very company/brand itself. (should look at 300v ads/youtube videos rofl)

efaceninja
http://www.liqui-moly.de/liquimoly/produkt...voiladb=web.nsf

semi synthetic, while amsoil boasts being the first in synthetics, and the XL/OE are all fully synthetic
http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/moto.../?code=XLZQT-EA

now the main difference between both (since they are API SN/ILSAC GF5 certified anyways) is the base stock, which on paper specs aside the TBN, looks like generally the same.

i would have thought that the VI amsoil would reign superior, however it looks like LM offset it with more VII's, while amsoil saves on VII, and dump in more detergent (for the longer OCI)

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this is what lm says:


This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Nov 28 2014, 05:33 PM

Anyone here used Wurth Semi Syn 10w40 ?

Need some feedback