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 Proton Prevé V21, Versione ventuno!

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plumberly
post Aug 16 2014, 01:22 PM

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After reading the car manual, like to share and learn from others on the following points. For those who have not read the manual, don't use your Preve this weekend until you have digested the manual! Ha.

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page 48 - "Immediately after the airbag deploys, the air bag and several of its component parts will be very hot. If you touch them, you could be burnt."
==> If this is true, then be prepared for some burn injury to the face and chest as these will be in contact with the airbag! I know the airbag is inflated by a chemical explosion but hot airbag with burn injury to the face and chest? Think they should either review the above sentence or redesign the airbag.

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page 81 "4. Avoid using the washer continuously for more than 20 seconds."
==> Big problem when the rain is for more than 20 seconds then! Ha. I think they are referring to a certain condition where the 20 seconds condition applies. But what condition? Dry windscreen?

CC
page 89 "the radiator fan may remains "ON" for a few minutes ..". Typo - remains should be remain.

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page 92 " 3. It is recommended to warm up the engine until the engine temperature reach its correct operating temperature before driving."
==> Can take more than 1-2 minutes to get to the required temp. Is this required in our warm environment?
==> typo - until the engine temperature REACHES

EE
page 128 Waxing & Polishing. I thought they are the same thing. What is the difference?

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page 134 "The spare wheel for this vehicle is of a different size to those fitted to your car and should only be used temporarily."
==> My first reaction - why? Stupid idea! BUT after thinking about it for awhile, it is a good strategy. I assume the proper wheel is more expensive than this spare wheel. So why pay for an expensive wheel which will be just sitting there until needed? Ya, you need it for a flat tyre. The cheaper spare wheel can also be used for the flat tyre scenario. After x years, you will need to replace the spare tyre even when it has not been used. Cheaper with the above strategy.

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page 142 - Where is connection 4 as shown in the diagram? I thought point 4 is the negative terminal of the car battery. That is how I have been using the jumper cable connection. Same way my Proton service guy has done for me in the past. I think this is to avoid igniting the hydrogen gas from the car battery on connecting the jumper cable.
Is this 100% mandatory?

HH
page 161 " SAE 10W-30".
==> Mach 5 is 15W-40, a higher spec than the required 10W-30. Why then some of our friends here use synthium etc? For better protection, longer mileage before oil change?

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page 165 " Proton recommends that you rotate your tyres approximately every 20,000 km."
==> I assume that at around 40,000 km, replace all 4 tyres with new ones. Right? Of course, replace the ones with high worn out on the threads earlier if needed.

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Preve has a wider body than my old Wira. Also the driver side is closer to the front (thus a bigger room for the back passengers). This is creating some disorientation for me when it comes to parking the car (not sitting in the center of the parking box) and left back wheel getting too close to the road barrier on turning left at a T junction.

The big side left mirror and the big left front windscreen beam are blocking my view when at T junction making a right turn. Can block my view of small vehicle on the right, e.g. motorcycle. Need to move my body to get a better view before making the turn.

Is it necessary to switch off the ac first before switching off the engine?

The ac system does not use the battery, right? AC compressor is connected to the engine and not to the battery?

Need to remove CD from the player before switching off the engine? Or OK to leave it in there by switching off the engine?

Manual states checking for water drainage after cleaning or driving in heavy rain. Cannot remember the page now. Like to know where are the drainage points that I need to check? Those small holes on the door body bottom?

When it rains, water droplets on the side windows and back screen reduce my visibility. One idea comes to mind. Put the water repellent liquid on the glass and the rain water will just flow down instead of sticking to the glass surface. Is this OK?

Sorry for this long thread! biggrin.gif

Hope to have some clarifications or discussions on the points above. icon_rolleyes.gif

Cheerio.

This post has been edited by plumberly: Aug 16 2014, 01:26 PM
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post Aug 16 2014, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Aug 16 2014, 01:22 PM)
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page 81 "4. Avoid using the washer continuously for more than 20 seconds."
==> Big problem when the rain is for more than 20 seconds then! Ha. I think they are referring to a certain condition where the 20 seconds condition applies. But what condition? Dry windscreen?

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It meant don't run the windscreen washer fluid pump (that sprays water on your windscreen) continuously for 20 seconds. Why you wanna spray water on your windscreen when it is raining? blink.gif

QUOTE(plumberly @ Aug 16 2014, 01:22 PM)
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page 128 Waxing & Polishing. I thought they are the same thing. What is the difference?
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Not the same. Waxing applies a thin layer of wax to protect your paint against the elements. Polishing grinds of a thin layer of clearcoat to restore the surface gloss and remove shallow scratches.

When you do wax and polish at a detailing shop, the polishing comes before the wax.

QUOTE(plumberly @ Aug 16 2014, 01:22 PM)
page 134 "The spare wheel for this vehicle is of a different size to those fitted to your car and should only be used temporarily."
==> My first reaction - why? Stupid idea! BUT after thinking about it for awhile, it is a good strategy. I assume the proper wheel is more expensive than this spare wheel. So why pay for an expensive wheel which will be just sitting there until needed? Ya, you need it for a flat tyre. The cheaper spare wheel can also be used for the flat tyre scenario. After x years, you will need to replace the spare tyre even when it has not been used. Cheaper with the above strategy.

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Smaller spare tire occupy less space in the boot. If you put a full size tire in the spare tire compartment, the boot floor will need to be raised.

QUOTE(plumberly @ Aug 16 2014, 01:22 PM)
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page 161 " SAE 10W-30".
==> Mach 5 is 15W-40, a higher spec than the required 10W-30. Why then some of our friends here use synthium etc? For better protection, longer mileage before oil change?
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Mach 5 is mineral oil. Syntium is Semi Synthetic. In layman terms, mineral is suitable for 5k km oil-change interval, while semi synthetic can lasts 10k km.

QUOTE(plumberly @ Aug 16 2014, 01:22 PM)
Is it necessary to switch off the ac first before switching off the engine?

Need to remove CD from the player before switching off the engine? Or OK to leave it in there by switching off the engine?

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It's not necessary to switch off AC before switching off the engine. But it is advisable NOT to start the engine with the AC already on. This is to avoid the compressor loading the engine upon startup. Consequently most people just switch off the AC when shutting off the car.

Also there is no need to remove the CD.

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post Aug 16 2014, 01:44 PM

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Soooo.... Sad! Just few months old toy already having this problem, was wondering could it b quality problem? Any owner here having same problem as mine... So easy to get scratches running on the road rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Aug 16 2014, 01:22 PM)
After reading the car manual, like to share and learn from others on the following points. For those who have not read the manual, don't use your Preve this weekend until you have digested the manual! Ha.

AA
page 48 - "Immediately after the airbag deploys, the air bag and several of its component parts will be very hot. If you touch them, you could be burnt."
==> If this is true, then be prepared for some burn injury to the face and chest as these will be in contact with the airbag! I know the airbag is inflated by a chemical explosion but hot airbag with burn injury to the face and chest? Think they should either review the above sentence or redesign the airbag.
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Airbag burns, they are a reality. Does not always happen, but sometime they do.
https://www.google.com.my/search?q=airbag+b...iw=1920&bih=955

BB: It's the washer, the one that squirts water. You use wiper when it rains.

FF: "Space saver" spare tyre. That is normal nowadays. BMW don't even give you a spare wheel. Either call tow truck or use the flat tyre repair kit they give.

HH: Most cars now recommend xW30 grade oils. They are thinner, but good protection. 10W30 is Syntium 800, which is semi synthetic whilst Mach5 is mineral. Better oil give better protection for longer period.

JJ: Big windscreen "beam": It is called the A Pillar. Yes they are big and very strong to give strength & rigidity to the cabin. All modern vehicles with good safety rating tend to have big A Pillars. Yes they are a big blind spot big enough to hide a lorry.
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hey guys, just need to ask 1 noob question.

let say ive changed my rim to bigger size (17inch), do i need bigger spare wheel?

the one in the boot can still be used or not?
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post Aug 16 2014, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(sanadi @ Aug 16 2014, 01:44 PM)
Airbag burns, they are a reality. Does not always happen, but sometime they do.
https://www.google.com.my/search?q=airbag+b...iw=1920&bih=955
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The best burn experience would be having the car emblem on your bodyparts. Audi on arm, Honda on face. Haha. But it's seriously damaging.
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post Aug 16 2014, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 16 2014, 01:41 PM)
It meant don't run the windscreen washer fluid pump (that sprays water on your windscreen) continuously for 20 seconds. Why you wanna spray water on your windscreen when it is raining?  blink.gif

==> Yes, realised that after I sent the thread. They were referring to the WASHER and not the WIPER.

Not the same. Waxing applies a thin layer of wax to protect your paint against the elements. Polishing grinds of a thin layer of clearcoat to restore the surface gloss and remove shallow scratches.

==> Thanks. Now I know the difference.

When you do wax and polish at a detailing shop, the polishing comes before the wax.
Smaller spare tire occupy less space in the boot. If you put a full size tire in the spare tire compartment, the boot floor will need to be raised.

==> Find it surprising if the floor space is the reason why they adopt this spare wheel strategy.

Mach 5 is mineral oil. Syntium is Semi Synthetic. In layman terms, mineral is suitable for 5k km oil-change interval, while semi synthetic can lasts 10k km.

==> My lay-person view is, motor oil from hydrocarbon has 1 drawback - viscosity is temp dependant. Viscosity of synthetic motor oil is not that sensitive to temp (thus a big plus for use in cold countries). In addition, I think synthetic oil has a higher break down temp and thus can last longer.

It's not necessary to switch off AC before switching off the engine. But it is advisable NOT to start the engine with the AC already on. This is to avoid the compressor loading the engine upon startup. Consequently most people just switch off the AC when shutting off the car.

==> Thanks.

Also there is no need to remove the CD.
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QUOTE(sanadi @ Aug 16 2014, 01:44 PM)
Airbag burns, they are a reality. Does not always happen, but sometime they do.
https://www.google.com.my/search?q=airbag+b...iw=1920&bih=955

BB: It's the washer, the one that squirts water. You use wiper when it rains.
==> Yes, realised my oversight.

FF: "Space saver" spare tyre. That is normal nowadays. BMW don't even give you a spare wheel. Either call tow truck or use the flat tyre repair kit they give.

HH: Most cars now recommend xW30 grade oils. They are thinner, but good protection. 10W30 is Syntium 800, which is semi synthetic whilst Mach5 is mineral. Better oil give better protection for longer period.

JJ: Big windscreen "beam": It is called the A Pillar. Yes they are big and very strong to give strength & rigidity to the cabin. All modern vehicles with good safety rating tend to have big A Pillars. Yes they are a big blind spot big enough to hide a lorry.

==>  Thanks.

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post Aug 16 2014, 06:03 PM

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Just checked the spare wheel as I wanted to ensure that the pressure is at the required 4 bars.

They say it is smaller. By smaller, I thought they were referring to tyre's width (narrower). I stood it side by side against the normal wheel. It is about an inch shorter! Now imagine putting that spare wheel on, the car will be tilted at one corner! Now I cannot understand why they use this smaller wheel and not the same size wheel as the rest.

Or is this the norm for other non Proton cars?

Thanks.
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Aug 16 2014, 06:03 PM)
Just checked the spare wheel as I wanted to ensure that the pressure is at the required 4 bars.

They say it is smaller. By smaller, I thought they were referring to tyre's width (narrower). I stood it side by side against the normal wheel. It is about an inch shorter! Now imagine putting that spare wheel on, the car will be tilted at one corner! Now I cannot understand why they use this smaller wheel and not the same size wheel as the rest.

Or is this the norm for other non Proton cars?

Thanks.
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It's already stated that the spare tyre is for emergency use only, for the sole purpose of bringing your car from the point of breakdown to the nearest workshop. If I'm not mistaken, less than 50km distance.

Logically you would be driving more careful and slower than you normally would.
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QUOTE(:3mushy:3 @ Aug 16 2014, 06:17 PM)
It's already stated that the spare tyre is for emergency use only, for the sole purpose of bringing your car from the point of breakdown to the nearest workshop. If I'm not mistaken, less than 50km distance.

Logically you would be driving more careful and slower than you normally would.
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Yes, they said for emergency use and at 80 kph. If the tyre is punctured while driving long distance in the country side, then gone case. Ha.

When I put back the spare wheel, there is still some space in between the tyre and the metal wall, I can easily put in my fingers and move around it. Enough room there for a wheel of the same diameter as the normal wheel.

Will check with my SA.

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QUOTE(ZeroHavoc @ Aug 16 2014, 01:45 PM)
hey guys, just need to ask 1 noob question.

let say ive changed my rim to bigger size (17inch), do i need bigger spare wheel?

the one in the boot can still be used or not?
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IMHO, no need. Just drive within 80KM/H with spare tires on and change back ori tire asap.
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Aug 16 2014, 06:03 PM)
Just checked the spare wheel as I wanted to ensure that the pressure is at the required 4 bars.

They say it is smaller. By smaller, I thought they were referring to tyre's width (narrower). I stood it side by side against the normal wheel. It is about an inch shorter! Now imagine putting that spare wheel on, the car will be tilted at one corner! Now I cannot understand why they use this smaller wheel and not the same size wheel as the rest.

Or is this the norm for other non Proton cars?

Thanks.
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Yes, it is normal for non proton cars as well.
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 16 2014, 08:09 PM)
Yes, it is normal for non proton cars as well.
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Thanks.

Found this ...

Temporary use or space saver spare wheels are a common feature of many newer cars and even some 4WDs. They can take a number of forms, ranging from the skinny, brightly coloured space saver wheel to more conventionally sized temporary use steel or alloy wheels that differ in size and appearance to the wheels normally fitted to the vehicle.

Space saver wheels first appeared in Australia in a handful of European cars in the mid 1980s. Since then they have become a common feature of newer cars and some 4WDs.

The idea behind them is that being smaller; they are lighter and take up less space in the vehicle than a full sized spare wheel. This allows the vehicle manufacturer to reduce weight and in some cases to reduce the size of the spare wheel well.

However it’s likely that at least some vehicle manufacturers find them attractive because they can be considerably cheaper than a full sized spare wheel, particularly if the vehicle is fitted with expensive high performance wheels and tyres.


http://www.racq.com.au/motoring/cars/car_a...use_spare_tyres

I was worried on car stability with a smaller wheel. Reminded me of my trip to another town here many years ago where my spare tyre pressure was at about 2/3 of the required pressure. I drove at 30-40 kph for about an hr to reach a petrol station!

Learning new things about car, things which I have taken for granted (the wheel, air bags, etc).

Cheerio.
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page 89 "the radiator fan may remains "ON" for a few minutes ..". Typo - remains should be remain.


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response to CC. It is not a typo, it actually MAY remain ON after the car is switched off. please do quote the whole sentence. it doesnt always remain ON after the car is switched off.
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Aug 16 2014, 08:40 PM)
response to CC. It is not a typo, it actually MAY remain ON after the car is switched off. please do quote the whole sentence. it doesnt always remain ON after the car is switched off.
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Misunderstanding here. I was referring to the grammar error here.

"may remains"

should be

"may remain"

i.e. no "s" at the end.

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Aug 16 2014, 08:36 PM)
Thanks.

Found this ...

Temporary use or space saver spare wheels are a common feature of many newer cars and even some 4WDs. They can take a number of forms, ranging from the skinny, brightly coloured space saver wheel to more conventionally sized temporary use steel or alloy wheels that differ in size and appearance to the wheels normally fitted to the vehicle.

Space saver wheels first appeared in Australia in a handful of European cars in the mid 1980s. Since then they have become a common feature of newer cars and some 4WDs.

The idea behind them is that being smaller; they are lighter and take up less space in the vehicle than a full sized spare wheel. This allows the vehicle manufacturer to reduce weight and in some cases to reduce the size of the spare wheel well.

However it’s likely that at least some vehicle manufacturers find them attractive because they can be considerably cheaper than a full sized spare wheel, particularly if the vehicle is fitted with expensive high performance wheels and tyres.


http://www.racq.com.au/motoring/cars/car_a...use_spare_tyres

I was worried on car stability with a smaller wheel. Reminded me of my trip to another town here many years ago where my spare tyre pressure was at about 2/3 of the required pressure. I drove at 30-40 kph for about an hr to reach a petrol station!

Learning new things about car, things which I have taken for granted (the wheel, air bags, etc).

Cheerio.
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Get one of these and put into your car. I've got one, and I've never pump air at petrol stations since. Help a few motorists, including one whose space saver spare was at 20 psi. It should be 60 psi.
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It should be reminded to everyone that do check the spare tyre pressure at least once a month. I've met some people who believed that their SCs would take care of that when they sent for service, but do not count on it.
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QUOTE(sanadi @ Aug 16 2014, 09:06 PM)
Get one of these and put into your car. I've got one, and I've never pump air at petrol stations since. Help a few motorists, including one whose space saver spare was at 20 psi. It should be 60 psi.
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QUOTE(sanadi @ Aug 16 2014, 09:06 PM)
Get one of these and put into your car. I've got one, and I've never pump air at petrol stations since. Help a few motorists, including one whose space saver spare was at 20 psi. It should be 60 psi.
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QUOTE(:3mushy:3 @ Aug 16 2014, 10:08 PM)
It should be reminded to everyone that do check the spare tyre pressure at least once a month. I've met some people who believed that their SCs would take care of that when they sent for service, but do not count on it.
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Thanks.

After that incident, I checked my spare tyre's pressure before long distance trips. Maybe should do that on regular interval now, rather than only for long distance drives.

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Aug 16 2014, 01:48 PM)
The best burn experience would be having the car emblem on your bodyparts. Audi on arm, Honda on face. Haha. But it's seriously damaging.
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woah, seriously very damaging. I think the airbag system shall be redesign

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