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post Jun 16 2014, 10:13 PM, updated 5y ago

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Panorama Residences @ Kelana Jaya is a condo development designed to capture the panoramic views of the surrounding Subang and Glenmarie golf courses, lakes and parks in Kelana Jaya.

Targeted at young professionals, the 3.05 acre FREEHOLD development comprising of 1 bedroom, 2 bedroom and 3 bedroom units will be designed with facilities suited for an active young lifestyle such as a large gym, badminton court, tennis court, basketball court, swimming pool and Jacuzzi.

The development is highly accessible from the NKVE and LDP, and a stone throw away from the Kelana Jaya LRT station. Surrounded by ample amenities such as the Paradigm mall and Tropicana City Mall, this is the development for an active and fulfilling lifestyle!

More project info at:

Android:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?...eraapp.accetera

iOS:
https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/accetera/id1554722291

Another prestigious project now open for Registration at website.

By LOH & LOH CORPORATION.

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post Jun 16 2014, 10:16 PM

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another bbb project for PaMa for PJ Kids...
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post Jun 16 2014, 11:00 PM

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reasonable price?
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post Jun 16 2014, 11:07 PM

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Berapa luit?
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post Jun 16 2014, 11:11 PM

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seems like Loh & Loh vry aggresive and north kiara preview somemore
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post Jun 16 2014, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(rainman19 @ Jun 16 2014, 11:11 PM)
seems like Loh & Loh vry aggresive and north kiara preview somemore
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Everybody is going aggressive!
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post Jun 16 2014, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(manapergi @ Jun 16 2014, 11:05 PM)
same name with the Sentul Condo but different developer  hmm.gif
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This one won't launch until 2015.
There is another Panorama at KLCC, at Persiaran Hampshire
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post Jun 16 2014, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(accetera @ Jun 16 2014, 11:12 PM)
Everybody is going aggressive!
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I checked their website just now..got 3 upcoming projects..you posted 2 already..where is the last one? Lol...
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post Jun 17 2014, 12:06 AM

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Where's this exactly? No artist impressions?
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post Jun 17 2014, 02:01 AM

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Sunset in KL la...better buy & Invest in Iskandar now LOL
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post Jun 17 2014, 02:20 AM

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Anyone know the exact location in Kelana Jaya?
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post Jun 17 2014, 08:31 AM

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Possible beside monsoon drain and HTC, I did remember some developer was to develop a high rise there near the LRT station. I think it's this project. Anyway, soon u will know the location. Should be easy to lease out due to vicinity to LRT and other mature township like SS2, Kelana Jaya. Good connectivity to many roads and highways. However, a very high premium to be paid. Good luck to all buyers.
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The monsoon drain behind Kelana Jaya LRT is called KELANA RESIDENCE.

Not this one.
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post Jun 17 2014, 10:08 AM

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Interesting and when it will be launched?

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post Jun 17 2014, 11:29 AM

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Interested to know (if any at this stage) the price for 1 bedroom...
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post Jun 17 2014, 12:02 PM

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post Jun 17 2014, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(accetera @ Jun 17 2014, 09:37 AM)
The monsoon drain behind Kelana Jaya LRT is called KELANA RESIDENCE.

Not this one.
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I see taiko....

Kelana jaya land all almost finished.....will be a surprise to know actual location later.... drool.gif
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QUOTE(butthead76 @ Jun 17 2014, 12:41 PM)
I see taiko....

Kelana jaya land all almost finished.....will be a surprise to know actual location later.... drool.gif
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Almost all finished?

I working on one in KJ too. And there are a lot more.
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post Jun 17 2014, 03:31 PM

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interesting, any indicative pricing yet?
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post Jun 17 2014, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(accetera @ Jun 17 2014, 02:22 PM)
Almost all finished?

I working on one in KJ too. And there are a lot more.
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I see so congested, except place near Giant or Paradigm side......
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post Jun 17 2014, 04:18 PM

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i am guessing this is somewhere near shang villa?
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near Shang Villa I like... I buy
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Wow, the location is nice.. but the price sure very NICE too..
First time home buyer sure cannot afford..
Anyone know how much psf?

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QUOTE(pregnantboy @ Jun 18 2014, 12:01 PM)
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Wah..Nice Location..Price also will be damn nice..This developer has a few upcoming projects.... icon_idea.gif
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looks like i was spot on the location.
just next to shang villa.
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post Jun 18 2014, 12:34 PM

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Gonna be a sold off project. Love the location but guess will be too expensive for my liking.
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QUOTE(kochin @ Jun 18 2014, 12:14 PM)
looks like i was spot on the location.
just next to shang villa.
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Next to shang villa?
The empty land beside shang villa - the moved mamak stall?
or across the road opposite maybank there??
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post Jun 18 2014, 01:24 PM

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this location banyak cantik wei
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developer may mark up another 10% upon seeing so many +ve comments posted in this forum tongue.gif
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post Jun 18 2014, 02:42 PM

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Oh I see....this location is good........

300m to future LRT station.....nice..... rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(butthead76 @ Jun 18 2014, 02:42 PM)
Oh I see....this location is good........

what is the black dotted line? LRT extension?......
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guys, paradigm residences oledi hit RM1kpsf and above.
leasehold.

icon residence also hit RM1kpsf and above.
leasehold.

this is freehold.
reputable developer.
pricing? lol....
good luck guys.
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well, if you fail, then can always consider Shang Villa.....hahahah....oldy but goody....hahaha
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Any info on the pricing and launching day? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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location good but got 2 not so good reason. 1st terrible flood after heavy rain at that traffic light. 2nd terrible jam/ppl park everywhere whenever the stadium is used for political reason. sometimes even football games but depending on who play
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QUOTE(talker @ Jun 18 2014, 05:00 PM)
location good but got 2 not so good reason. 1st terrible flood after heavy rain at that traffic light. 2nd terrible jam/ppl park everywhere whenever the stadium is used for political reason. sometimes even football games but depending on who play
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But for 2nd reason, it will not be often right? Not every time the stadium is used for political reason..
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QUOTE(lobster08 @ Jun 18 2014, 03:55 PM)
Any info on the pricing and launching day?  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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to be launched in 2015.
Price from 1k psf for small unit, 1 bedroom
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jun 18 2014, 10:15 PM)
to be launched in 2015.
Price from 1k psf for small unit, 1 bedroom
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nice location, near kelana jaya park
can go jog every morning rclxms.gif
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wow..... 1k psf?? blush.gif
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post Jun 22 2014, 08:41 PM

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1 bedroom buat apa? simpan awek mistress? LOL
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jun 18 2014, 10:15 PM)
to be launched in 2015.
Price from 1k psf for small unit, 1 bedroom
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1k so expensive?

i m staying at shang villa. that area will be congested soon
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Any updated news on this project?
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QUOTE(ChuiChuiShui @ Nov 5 2015, 02:18 PM)
Any updated news on this project?
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no further news after their North Kiara project canceled.
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any news on this project?
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Site has been cleared. RM1k psf?
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QUOTE(A.B.D. @ Sep 10 2017, 02:02 PM)
Site has been cleared. RM1k psf?
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QUOTE(SunBear1999 @ Sep 29 2017, 03:23 PM)
Any update?
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Launch price? Size?
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have this project been launch ?
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have this project been launch ?
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Launching Soon....
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is this near to Shang Villa?

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QUOTE(zenwell @ Dec 25 2017, 08:38 PM)
is this near to Shang Villa?
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fren kepo ady and tell me less than 600k.
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if really 600k for 1 room is like useless leh... this is not KLCC leh... T.T...
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No lah ....
should be 1) 2 Bedrooms +1 Bathroom
2) 2 Bedrooms + 2 Bathrooms
3) 3 Bedrooms + 2 Bathrooms

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Has this been launched? who can i contact for interest?
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Until now still not yet launch ?
Interested. Parking.
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post Jan 22 2018, 11:07 PM

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probably waiting for GE14 to be over and everybody settle down.
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Interested...
Any additional details?
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post Jan 27 2018, 10:11 PM

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The drop off area looks grand...
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QUOTE(KimiLau @ Jan 27 2018, 10:11 PM)
The drop off area looks grand...
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See from where?
Their website still kinda bare bones and doesn't even load properly.


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This project said to be launched on 2015 but until now 2017 ord Lea. Any taiko knows this when will be official launching??? Went to their website. Not much info and can't even register.
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Last update, target launch February 2018, till now, still tak jalan.
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Website is fully up. Too bad largest unit is only 1030sqft. The layout plus point is it has both dry and wet kitchen though the size is not significant. The facing of this largest unit is also not great. 45 degrees view of the golf course?

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QUOTE(1282009 @ Feb 17 2018, 11:42 AM)
Website is fully up. Too bad largest unit is only 1030sqft. The layout plus point is it has both dry and wet kitchen though the size is not significant. The facing of this largest unit is also not great. 45 degrees view of the golf course?
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QUOTE(wba1889 @ Feb 17 2018, 11:50 AM)
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http://www.panoramaresidences.com.my

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There's a car wash and a hawker stall here. Every weekend i wash car here dulu.. now they building a condo here..

Whats the RM/sf going to be here? If RM500~600 psf, sure it will be goreng pisang. I think wont be that cheap too..

If LLC follow high park suite, icon city, sunway serene azure price tag, then it will be >1.2mil.

High park suite can get 400k price because studio size unit (450sqft).
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the sales agent told me from 5xxk...if selling at RM 700psf , smallest type A is RM 524k, or selling at RM750psf then is RM 561k, if selling at RM 800psf then is RM 599k....still within 5xxk....lol
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QUOTE(Nymphetamine666 @ Feb 18 2018, 03:25 PM)
There's a car wash and a hawker stall here. Every weekend i wash car here dulu.. now they building a condo here..

Whats the RM/sf going to be here? If RM500~600 psf, sure it will be goreng pisang. I think wont be that cheap too..

If LLC follow high park suite, icon city, sunway serene azure price tag, then it will be >1.2mil.

High park suite can get 400k price because studio size unit (450sqft).
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The hawker place is called showru
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QUOTE(jasonlim @ Feb 21 2018, 11:15 PM)
The hawker place is called showru
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QUOTE(moonlove99 @ Feb 21 2018, 03:58 PM)
the sales agent told me from 5xxk...if selling at RM 700psf ,  smallest type A is RM 524k, or selling at RM750psf then is RM 561k, if selling at RM 800psf then is RM 599k....still within 5xxk....lol
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Interested.

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QUOTE(moonlove99 @ Feb 21 2018, 03:58 PM)
the sales agent told me from 5xxk...if selling at RM 700psf ,  smallest type A is RM 524k, or selling at RM750psf then is RM 561k, if selling at RM 800psf then is RM 599k....still within 5xxk....lol
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did agent tell you maintenance is how many sen psf?
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did agent tell you maintenance is how many sen psf?
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i didn't ask..
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did agent tell you maintenance is how many sen psf?
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Above 0.30 but below 0.40 psf. Not yet finalize.
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can i know why this properties took so long time to launch? since 2014 until havent launched, any bad things holding this property from launching? and i did call to their agent, they said 2 weeks only will finalise. and one more thing no show room to see sad.gif
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Getting ready to open for booking already =)

Looks promising so far from the info I've received

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How much for booking? Any rebate?
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I'll be attending Agent Briefing tomorrow with developer

Please feel free to PM me any inquiries you have and I'll do my best to get details from the developer

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QUOTE(Farah DD @ Mar 12 2018, 04:50 PM)
this one is leasehold or freehold?
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The land is Freehold with consent
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QUOTE(Farah DD @ Mar 12 2018, 04:50 PM)
this one is leasehold or freehold?
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Doesn't matter lah...
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QUOTE(R o Y @ Mar 12 2018, 04:48 PM)
I'll be attending Agent Briefing tomorrow with developer

Please feel free to PM me any inquiries you have and I'll do my best to get details from the developer

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QUOTE(Nymphetamine666 @ Mar 13 2018, 12:41 AM)
Do share with us. Dont makan seorang.
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For those with specific queries, please PM me so I can check in detail with the developer. TQ
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QUOTE(R o Y @ Mar 12 2018, 02:01 PM)
Getting ready to open for booking already =)

Looks promising so far from the info I've received
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Had a productive session at developer's office today

Thank you to all those who have sent me their inquiries via PM. I have replied all as best I can.

Hope you understand that some information can't be shared for now as still pending presentation to the developer's Board of Directors.

I have had many years experience selling various projects, and I find that this developer has put in alot of effort to provide a well designed condo with practical and well laid-out units. At the same time, they have positioned both blocks to maximize as much as possible the surrounding Golf Course/Park/Lake view.

Facilities are also quite impressive, such as:
- 50 meter swimming pool
- 2,800sf Gym
- Indoor Badminton Court
- Jogging Track
- Tennis Court
- Half Basket Ball Court

Facilities such as Badminton, Tennis, Basket Ball courts are rarer nowadays because land is expensive and these take up more space and are quite expensive to built.

For those who still have questions about this development, please PM to me and I will try to answer as best I can.

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interested too. Please PM me.
What is the completed date?
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QUOTE(R o Y @ Mar 13 2018, 07:11 PM)
Had a productive session at developer's office today

Thank you to all those who have sent me their inquiries via PM. I have replied all as best I can.

Hope you understand that some information can't be shared for now as still pending presentation to the developer's Board of Directors.

I have had many years experience selling various projects, and I find that this developer has put in alot of effort to provide a well designed condo with practical and well laid-out units. At the same time, they have positioned both blocks to maximize as much as possible the surrounding Golf Course/Park/Lake view.

Facilities are also quite impressive, such as:
- 50 meter swimming pool
- 2,800sf Gym
- Indoor Badminton Court
- Jogging Track
- Tennis Court
- Half Basket Ball Court

Facilities such as Badminton, Tennis, Basket Ball courts are rarer nowadays because land is expensive and these take up more space and are quite expensive to built.

For those who still have questions about this development, please PM to me and I will try to answer as best I can.

TQ
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How is LLC Berhad reputation ?  Anyone experience?
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Just wondering why it took so long to launch this project? any issues or they're just taking their time?
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QUOTE(R o Y @ Mar 13 2018, 07:11 PM)
Had a productive session at developer's office today

Thank you to all those who have sent me their inquiries via PM. I have replied all as best I can.

Hope you understand that some information can't be shared for now as still pending presentation to the developer's Board of Directors.

I have had many years experience selling various projects, and I find that this developer has put in alot of effort to provide a well designed condo with practical and well laid-out units. At the same time, they have positioned both blocks to maximize as much as possible the surrounding Golf Course/Park/Lake view.

Facilities are also quite impressive, such as:
- 50 meter swimming pool
- 2,800sf Gym
- Indoor Badminton Court
- Jogging Track
- Tennis Court
- Half Basket Ball Court

Facilities such as Badminton, Tennis, Basket Ball courts are rarer nowadays because land is expensive and these take up more space and are quite expensive to built.

For those who still have questions about this development, please PM to me and I will try to answer as best I can.

TQ
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residential or commercial titled
free or leasehold
number of units
indicative pricing range and maintenance fees
expected launching timeline?
smallest unit - biggest unit sizing and no of rooms?
CP allocation?

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number of units
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expected launching timeline?
smallest unit - biggest unit sizing and no of rooms?
CP allocation?
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- Commercial Zoned land. Developed as Residential under HDA

- Freehold with consent

- 473 units (236 + 237)

- Indicative Maintenance Fees is RM0.38psf inclusive sinking fund

- Indicative Pricing is very close to what has been mentioned previously in the discussion

- Official Launch will be after APDL expected end of April

- Smallest unit is 749sf for 2room1bath

- Minimum 2 cp per unit
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Freehold with consent...

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dont really like the layouts. the type A 2br1bath is a bit inconvenient.
type B better but unit size and pricing gets heavier.
dissapointed with the type C.

the towers looks imposing and rigid. with relatively low number of absolute units, thought the design could be better.

anyway, good luck!


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The Aircon ledge is quite big. Almost 5% of gross Built Up.... For a more accurate PSF... Better use nett Built Up...
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Will end up like the north kiara project or not? Abandoned.
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I'll be attending Agent Briefing tomorrow with developer

Please feel free to PM me any inquiries you have and I'll do my best to get details from the developer

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LLC berhad more/formerly known as Loh & Loh Corporation Berhad.

Won several awards - Best Residential Development in Asia Pacific for 2015/16 for their project The Airie , Sri Damansara.

To ensure their quality,they implement CONQUAS 21 ( audited by Building Construction Authority of Singapore )
Their developments scored an average of 78.3 out of 100 which proves their good workmanship.
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LLC berhad more/formerly known as Loh & Loh Corporation Berhad.

Won several awards - Best Residential Development in Asia Pacific for 2015/16 for their project The Airie , Sri Damansara.

To ensure their quality,they implement CONQUAS 21 ( audited by Building Construction Authority of Singapore )
Their developments scored an average of 78.3 out of 100 which proves their good workmanship.
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i did ask them about the conquas but is already no more, so they are not following CONQUAS due contract is already expired or something else i forgot but i knew that is definitely not implementing this , and also this is the first time they are building high rise, previously all landed houses. any advise for LOH & LOH although they already have long history? i did search for Bursa last time and they delisted from Bursa stocks during 2010. can they really be trusted with this project? and i saw they already announced of this project since long time ago 2014 but now only launch? why? one thing i have the most concerned is that what they built isnt what they promised since subject to government approval, maybe some havent got any approval just like showroom they need approval from government. need some sifus for advise as i am first time buyer
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QUOTE(Charles21 @ Mar 14 2018, 06:44 PM)
BBB nowhere else in this area you can find a walkable condo to lrt with a covered walkway .
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Very far .. not opposite of the road? Mind to illustrate more?
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Anyone plan to come to their sales gallery? Saw on their fb page it is opening this weekend.
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Anyone heading to the sales gallery this weekend do share some news here for us out of town people ok! biggrin.gif cheers guys, happy weekend!
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250m. 3 minute casual walk .
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250mtr 3 mins casual walk my foot.

your 'casual' walking speed is 12kms/hour ah?
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Arguement invalid. It’s actually 5km / hour.
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I agree the LRT station is very very near. It's literally just at the CGC building next door.
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I agree the LRT station is very very near. It's literally just at the CGC building next door.
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Yes.....next to shoplots. Wonder how direct linked lrt station work from panorama?

Condo connect to shoplots connect to station?
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Yes.....next to shoplots. Wonder how direct linked lrt station work from panorama?

Condo connect to shoplots connect to station?
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I'm guessing a covered walkway will be built along this stretch?
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I'm guessing a covered walkway will be built along this stretch?
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Thank you.

I dun think it will be fully covered bcos of ingress and enhress to commercial shop lots.
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Mar 17 2018, 02:41 PM)
Thank you.

I dun think it will be fully covered bcos of ingress and enhress to commercial shop lots.
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So no one went to the sales gallery?
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I went to the Sales Gallery.
The location, environment, architect design and developer are quite ok.
The only concern is the price!!!
Average RM780 to 800 persqft at Kelan jaya

1030sqft almost cost you 850k to 900k
Installment 4k+ and maintenance fee RM400++
So totall commitment is RM4.5k

what is the market price for renting in Kelana Jaya?
Can rent for RM3k?
Surprising PJ property is so expensive!!!

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I went to the Sales Gallery.
The location, environment, architect design and developer are quite ok.
The only concern is the price!!!
Average RM780 to 800 persqft at Kelan jaya

1030sqft almost cost you 850k to 900k
Installment 4k+ and maintenance fee RM400++
So totall commitment is RM4.5k

what is the market price for renting in Kelana Jaya?
Can rent for RM3k?
Surprising PJ property is so expensive!!!
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both subang and ara already breached 1000psf.
consider your poorer cousin is priced accordingly.

but no small size units is the problem. not investor friendly. its either good or bad....depends on how you see it.
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QUOTE(darr3n88 @ Mar 19 2018, 12:46 PM)
I went to the Sales Gallery.
The location, environment, architect design and developer are quite ok.
The only concern is the price!!!
Average RM780 to 800 persqft at Kelan jaya

1030sqft almost cost you 850k to 900k
Installment 4k+ and maintenance fee RM400++
So totall commitment is RM4.5k

what is the market price for renting in Kelana Jaya?
Can rent for RM3k?
Surprising PJ property is so expensive!!!
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What do u think about kelana jaya compares to other part of PJ like Section 13 or SS 2 or Bandar Utama etc?
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What do u think about kelana jaya compares to other part of PJ like Section 13 or SS 2 or Bandar Utama etc?
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9utama also not during well....
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Mar 19 2018, 12:49 PM)
both subang and ara already breached 1000psf.
consider your poorer cousin is priced accordingly.

but no small size units is the problem. not investor friendly. its either good or bad....depends on how you see it.
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PJ property price is insane and doesn't make sense.
Not reflected to actual renting and subsale market.
It's even much more expensive compare to Bangsar, Mont Kiara, Bangsar South and place near KLCC
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9utama also not during well....
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QUOTE(darr3n88 @ Mar 19 2018, 01:16 PM)
PJ property price is insane and doesn't make sense.
Not reflected to actual renting and subsale market.
It's even much more expensive compare to Bangsar, Mont Kiara, Bangsar South and place near KLCC
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"Bangsar, Mont Kiara, Bangsar South and place near KLCC"

These above mentioned names are famous landmarks of Malaysia, prime, iconic, got money, got class, got face, more angmoh lengchai lenglui etc etc

but some people just not into those things, they find comfort and happiness in PJ for themselves and their family, and they value that

until today you can find people buying very old houses in PJ to renovate, they pay 1m to knock it down, because they can't think of other place they want more to live

PJ also well liked by renters too. maybe the people insane and the demand doesn't make sense also LOL
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9utama also not during well....
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This is called emotional factor. Many gurus out there will not cover this.

For own stayers.. not all about ringgit and cents and more for sense...
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This is called emotional factor. Many gurus out there will not cover this.

For own stayers.. not all about ringgit and cents and more for sense...
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except for Bangsar, the rest of the mentioned enclave (MK BS KLCC) are all.......windows facing windows dwelling

Bangsar and PJ still have landed and park sandwiched in between.
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PJ landed tamans have many sizeable, well maintained parks. god help them if it was under dbkl.
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QUOTE(darr3n88 @ Mar 19 2018, 11:46 AM)
I went to the Sales Gallery.
The location, environment, architect design and developer are quite ok.
The only concern is the price!!!
Average RM780 to 800 persqft at Kelan jaya

1030sqft almost cost you 850k to 900k
Installment 4k+ and maintenance fee RM400++
So totall commitment is RM4.5k

what is the market price for renting in Kelana Jaya?
Can rent for RM3k?
Surprising PJ property is so expensive!!!
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how much is the maint. fee?
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how much is the maint. fee?
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What do u think about kelana jaya compares to other part of PJ like Section 13 or SS 2 or Bandar Utama etc?
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2 storey DSL LH just next to Paradigm Mall ! 635-650K !

https://www.iproperty.com.my/property/kelan...a/sale-5008811/
https://www.iproperty.com.my/property/kelan...a/sale-6181475/


hmmm, is the some hidden problem with these houses next to Paradigm Mall? the rest of Kelana Jaya, hard to find such pricing.
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0.38/sqft including sinking fund.
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Base on new act, this should be by /unit share. But many won't understand it so they put is /sqft. However do that note is should be higher as now u need to pay for parking and common area. So safest bet take it as 0.43 to 0.45/sqft
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the concern on this particular property is the length of time to VP. Was told they want 4 years i.e. 2022 to complete. This means whoever buys now, will pay interest cost on loan disbursement for next 4 years even before they start to service installment. Layouts also not very attractive. But overall a fairly good location, good developer, near LRT (Glenmarie) and in a relatively quiet area i.e. at entrance to Stadium Kelana Jaya area. Price seems attractive too, with rebates price per sq fee can go lower than RM800. But you can imagine that in 20 years time, that whole area of Stadium KJ may be slowly redeveloped. Lots of open area there that developers will not leave alone.
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Can anyone tell me where is the sales gallery?
Thx.
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The sales gallery is at LLC Bhd.

Drive there using Waze : https://waze.com/ul/hw283cng3f
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The sales gallery is at LLC Bhd.

Drive there using Waze : https://waze.com/ul/hw283cng3f
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Hi, anyone here booked yet?
Planning to visit their sales gallery this weekend.

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nearby Starling Condo with starting buildup of 1400sf is asking only RM 1800-2000 upwards ..
the older Shang Villa which is next to this site, is also asking a similar RM 1800-2000 upwards ..
hardly breach RM2500 for both.

why would it touch RM 3000 ?

how long will the Stadium be untouched, now that it's on prime land ?
how long will KGNS remain untouched ?

honestly, as mentioned above, PJ properties are more strictly for own stayers ...
rental yields don't make sense ..
capital appreciation is a suspect given the asking psf

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investors enter with your eyes wide open

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QUOTE(darr3n88 @ Mar 19 2018, 01:16 PM)
PJ property price is insane and doesn't make sense.
Not reflected to actual renting and subsale market.
It's even much more expensive compare to Bangsar, Mont Kiara, Bangsar South and place near KLCC
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Special rebates available for early birds

Take-up rate quite good considered no marketing done yet

Anyone want to view sales gallery can PM me and i'll arrange it for you
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how many % booked?
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I'll be at the Sales Gallery today. Anyone would like to drop by?  smile.gif
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Sian.....sales gallery like a world away where the actial site of development.......

Macam try to hide something ...
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Looks like the view of the golf course is highly dependent on Lincoln Uni + MAS training center staying as-is....

The view will be blocked if these places get redeveloped into high rises...

Any idea of the odds of this happening?
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went to their Sales gallery just now...
was thinking of the reputation of this developer..
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went to their Sales gallery just now...
was thinking of the reputation of this developer..
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The best gauge of a developer's reputation is do they have many repeat purchasers?
WIll their existing customers from previous projects invest in the project?
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Hi guys, anyone noticed got hIgh tension cables nearby the site here ? Will that be a concern ah?
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how this project compare to highPark suites?
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where the sales gallery ya?

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where the sales gallery ya?
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Would you like to drop by to have a look this week?
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QUOTE(Cassandralew8989 @ Apr 22 2018, 11:44 PM)
Just Went to the sales gallery this morning with my friend and she booked a unit today. Am impressed with a young Property Hub Agent .Very Proffesional and speak good English . Overall I see this project is quite okay . Bullet not enough . If enough for sure I’ll place a booking too . Maybe you guys can find him if you all want to go to have a look of this project .
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Which Type your fren booking? just went & saw most ppl book type C 1030sqf
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I recall Type C south east facing corner lot seems best. View of golf course going to be excellent if taller than opposite buildings.
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Sri Hartamas. Waze LLC Berhad.

Anyone here booked a unit?
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nearby Starling Condo with starting buildup of 1400sf is asking only RM 1800-2000 upwards ..
the older Shang Villa which is next to this site, is also asking a similar RM 1800-2000 upwards ..
hardly breach RM2500 for both.

why would it touch RM 3000 ?

how long will the Stadium be untouched, now that it's on prime land ?
how long will KGNS remain untouched ?

honestly, as mentioned above, PJ properties are more strictly for own stayers ...
rental yields don't make sense ..
capital appreciation is a suspect given the asking psf

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sterling 1442sf i've rented RM2400. (Apr 2018).

Few years back when economy was better, sterling 1442sf was renting for RM2800 - RM3000.

It depends on the economy too.
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Has anyone here dealt with this developer before? any feedback? kinda curious what took them so long to deliver this project since this post started 2014. thanks!!! smile.gif
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Has anyone here dealt with this developer before? any feedback? kinda curious what took them so long to deliver this project since this post started 2014. thanks!!! smile.gif
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Anyone would like to visit the sales office this weekend?

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Panorama developer LOH & LOH CORPORATION BERHAD link with Jho Low(1mdb) ? haha http://www.guangming.com.my/node/441473/...補1mdb債務

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Panorama developer  LOH & LOH CORPORATION BERHAD link with Jho Low(1mdb) ? haha http://www.guangming.com.my/node/441473/...補1mdb債務
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Can anyone share their full package? Does the developer free anyhing like air-con and etc?
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Can anyone share their full package? Does the developer free anyhing like air-con and etc?
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Loh n loh have been implicated in ercl sale exchange.

Am scare of this project now....ok more like scare of the future of tis company.
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Did you purchase one of the properties from Panorama? sounds like you have purchased tho...
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Loh n loh have been implicated in ercl sale exchange.

Am scare of this project now....ok more like scare of the future of tis company.
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What do you mean . Show some facts please
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Did you purchase one of the properties from Panorama? sounds like you have purchased tho...
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google lah pls.

the 60bil ecrl is more complicated than china funds the rail project.
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google lah pls.

the 60bil ecrl is more complicated than china funds the rail project.
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Jho Low sudah jual lama la ...If it is still related. LLC would have been a giant in this industry.
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Not this. Ita related to ecrl arrangement.

IF you cant google then dun worried. You already conmitted to thia project.

Leta aee how gov proceeds w this ecrl project.
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Not this. Ita related to ecrl arrangement.

IF you cant google then dun worried. You already conmitted to thia project.

Leta aee how gov proceeds w this ecrl project.
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Betul betul tak mahu kalah . Hahah good night
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wat is you with win or lose? confused.gif

if I won, I wouldn't get anything.

allegilly the ecrl amongst other deals included china will take over Loh&Loh and another developer in Putrajaya. I gathered loh&loh must have strategic land bank that desired by China or china company.

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wat is you with win or lose? :confused:

if I won, I wouldn't get anything.

allegilly the ecrl amongst other deals included china will take over Loh&Loh and another developer in Putrajaya. I gathered loh&loh must have strategic land bank that desired by China or china company.
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wat is you with win or lose? :confused:

if I won, I wouldn't get anything.

allegilly the ecrl amongst other deals included china will take over Loh&Loh and another developer in Putrajaya. I gathered loh&loh must have strategic land bank that desired by China or china company.
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The one next to concerto north kiara sold to which company?
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Any update on this project? How's the sales going on? Any freebies at the moment?
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Very practical layout! Me like vertical layout!
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Yes the developer designed the units to maximize exposure to natural light and the panoramic views

Master bedroom and 2nd bedrooms come with proper large window facing outwards to enjoy the view. Unlike some developments where 2nd bedroom only with very small window and no proper view/facing air-well or corridor

Dining area located next to window so can enjoy the view while sitting down for your meals. With this type of wide layout, the living area will feel much larger, and the interior will naturally be brighter and have been air circulation

It is much cheaper to build unit long and narrow, only high end & luxury properties are designed with this type of wide layout
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Yes the developer designed the units to maximize exposure to natural light and the panoramic views

Master bedroom and 2nd bedrooms come with proper large window facing outwards to enjoy the view. Unlike some developments where 2nd bedroom only with very small window and no proper view/facing air-well or corridor

Dining area located next to window so can enjoy the view while sitting down for your meals. With this type of wide layout, the living area will feel much larger, and the interior will naturally be brighter and have been air circulation

It is much cheaper to build unit long and narrow, only high end & luxury properties are designed with this type of wide layout
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Most if not all sdb projects are like that with living n dining share a large picture window.
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QUOTE(R o Y @ Jun 14 2018, 11:21 PM)
Yes the developer designed the units to maximize exposure to natural light and the panoramic views

Master bedroom and 2nd bedrooms come with proper large window facing outwards to enjoy the view. Unlike some developments where 2nd bedroom only with very small window and no proper view/facing air-well or corridor

Dining area located next to window so can enjoy the view while sitting down for your meals. With this type of wide layout, the living area will feel much larger, and the interior will naturally be brighter and have been air circulation

It is much cheaper to build unit long and narrow, only high end & luxury properties are designed with this type of wide layout
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Funny is 2 bed and 3 bed diff by less than 70-80sf...somemore 3bedder are limited....
what a waste

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fRee banyak . Just booked a 940sf unit . If you’re keen I can intro you my sa . Helpful and clear all my doubts without hard selling
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may know how much u bought and the facing?
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Facing golf course . Price you can check with my sa if you want to view
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Price is ard 750-800psf..depending on block and floors
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wat is you with win or lose? confused.gif

if I won, I wouldn't get anything.

allegilly the ecrl amongst other deals included china will take over Loh&Loh and another developer in Putrajaya. I gathered loh&loh must have strategic land bank that desired by China or china company.
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Hi would like to know more about this, is loh&loh stills engaging with all these 1mdb things? im not very familiar with all of this but interested with this project. this is my first time purchasing so im afraid with so complicated company background. whats your advise?

i read through a website which related to ECRL with Jho Low and LOH& LOH. Confused now sad.gif

http://www.sarawakreport.org/2016/12/jho-l...t-rail-project/

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Type C with 3 bedrooms and 1 bathroom? shouldnt it be 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms?
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Hi would like to know more about this, is loh&loh stills  engaging with all these 1mdb things? im not very familiar with all of this but interested with this project. this is my first time purchasing so im afraid with so complicated company background. whats your advise?

i read through a website which related to ECRL with Jho Low and LOH& LOH. Confused now  sad.gif

http://www.sarawakreport.org/2016/12/jho-l...t-rail-project/
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info not official verified by official. hence now only 'rumours'.

but personally I will stay clear of LnL. The project is one of the better along old subang airport road in terms of accessibility and infrastructure, ticked most of my boxes.
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Dear All,

Our Sales Gallery is open during this RAYA weekend from 10-4pm

Please do contact me if you'd like to drop by

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Hi Can you give me some details on this projects?

Thanks

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Jun 16 2018, 01:46 PM)
info not official verified by official. hence now only 'rumours'.

but personally I will stay clear of LnL. The project is one of the better along old subang airport road in terms of accessibility and infrastructure, ticked most of my boxes.
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Hahahhhaha U turn a bro ?
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Am not in urge to get one...

Why the hurry?
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Am not in urge to get one...

Why the hurry?
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Sharing same concern. Not really on the fundamental of the property but fundamental of the company itself...
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https://panorama-residences.com.my/?gclid=C...HoaAsO6EALw_wcB
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Let’s go panorama !
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sorry i didn't hv a through check on this, wat's wit the fundamental of the company?
hu's the developer?
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Some rumours on ecrl related to L&L. Been to the actual site today. Don't quite like the overall environment... think I gonna pass.
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Some rumours on ecrl related to L&L. Been to the actual site today. Don't quite like the overall environment... think I gonna pass.
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Did u check out Serene? I think it's nearby.
This location invest or rent maybe ok, if own stay big question mark. Personal preference since my office behind this site.
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QUOTE(FuNks @ Jun 17 2018, 11:56 PM)
Did u check out Serene? I think it's nearby.
This location invest or rent maybe ok, if own stay big question mark. Personal preference since my office behind this site.
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Which location is okay for investment? Serene or Panorama? For Serene, the unit and it's price is slightly higher than my budget. For Panorama, the neighbourhood looks old and lack of eating places. Closest will be paradigm I guess.
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why are there 2 different sites? Which one is legit?

http://www.panoramaresidences.com.my/

https://panorama-residences.com.my/ --> this one looks done up by an agent or something. not sure if its an official site.

Btw, what GST promotion are they having? Cheaper than price before?
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Jun 16 2018, 01:46 PM)
info not official verified by official. hence now only 'rumours'.

but personally I will stay clear of LnL. The project is one of the better along old subang airport road in terms of accessibility and infrastructure, ticked most of my boxes.
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Any updates to this "rumours" bro?
You mentioned steer clear.. meaning you will avoid ah? confused.gif

yeah they're pretty good among all the projects in subang road...

any further updates will help in making my decision. really like this place...

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Any updates to this "rumours" bro?
You mentioned steer clear.. meaning you will avoid ah?    :confused:

yeah they're pretty good among all the projects in subang road...

any further updates will help in making my decision. really like this place...
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QUOTE(Bali ais @ Jun 18 2018, 01:14 PM)
Which location is okay for investment? Serene or Panorama? For Serene, the unit and it's price is slightly higher than my budget. For Panorama, the neighbourhood looks old and lack of eating places. Closest will be paradigm I guess.
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There is no lack pf eating places during lunch but if you are after non halal within walking distance then you better revisit megah rise.

For this project the selling points are

1. Easier access to both tolled and non toll road
2. Lrt within walking distance
3. Good view out generally
4. Fh
5. Apartmebts catered for proper living, not those no yard no balcony no everything mickey mouse square locled in boxes.
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Jun 18 2018, 08:37 PM)
There is no lack pf eating places during lunch but if you are after non halal within walking distance then you better revisit megah rise.

For this project the selling points are

1. Easier access to both tolled and non toll road
2. Lrt within walking distance
3. Good view out generally
4. Fh
5. Apartmebts catered for proper living, not those no yard no balcony no everything mickey mouse square locled in boxes.
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Hmmm... Rough calculation, 600k loan, around 2.8k monthly installment. This location can fetch 3k rental mah? I look at the freebies also not really attractive. Small kitchen cabinet, toilet tap, water heater, tiles, 3 a/c.
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Hmmm... Rough calculation, 600k loan, around 2.8k monthly installment. This location can fetch 3k rental mah? I look at the freebies also not really attractive. Small kitchen cabinet, toilet tap, water heater, tiles, 3 a/c.
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Construction cost, which has gone up to RM15bil, under tight scrutiny

PETALING JAYA: Prasarana Malaysia Bhd is considering taking over the construction of the Light Rapid Transit line 3 (LRT 3) from its project delivery partner (PDP) to curb its spiraling cost.

According to sources, the government is reviewing the project as cost has ballooned from the initial estimate of RM9bil in 2015 to more than RM15bil.
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Construction cost, which has gone up to RM15bil, under tight scrutiny

PETALING JAYA: Prasarana Malaysia Bhd is considering taking over the construction of the Light Rapid Transit line 3 (LRT 3) from its project delivery partner (PDP) to curb its spiraling cost.

According to sources, the government is reviewing the project as cost has ballooned from the initial estimate of RM9bil in 2015 to more than RM15bil.
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Hi guys, anyone noticed got hIgh tension cables nearby the site here ? Will that be a concern ah?
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Yes, is this not a concern for those who have purchased?
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Yes, is this not a concern for those who have purchased?
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I'm surprised there is zero news coverage from main medias for this property despite it being built on a prime area.

The price psqf seems quite cheap for a low density project with a hell lot of facilities including a badminton court, half basketball court and tennis court.

473 units with maximum 1,030sqf. RM0.35 maintenance fee

It made absolutely no sense. The land area for common area is huge with an insane amount of facilities but the maintenance fee is only RM0.35 while there are only 473 units?

In comparison Atwater is one of the few that has badminton court, however it charges RM0.40 maintenance fee and they do not have half of what Panorama is offering let alone a basketball court + tennis court thrown into the mix. They have 493 units and a max of 1,422sqf.


It seems too good to be true that psf is around RM700+ within park/golf view, walking distance to LRT, a shit ton of facilities and low maintenance fee. Something must be lacking somewhere.
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I'm surprised there is zero news coverage from main medias for this property despite it being built on a prime area.

The price psqf seems quite cheap for a low density project with a hell lot of facilities including a badminton court, half basketball court and tennis court.

473 units with maximum 1,030sqf. RM0.35 maintenance fee

It made absolutely no sense. The land area for common area is huge with an insane amount of facilities but the maintenance fee is only RM0.35 while there are only 473 units?

In comparison Atwater is one of the few that has badminton court, however it charges RM0.40 maintenance fee and they do not have half of what Panorama is offering let alone a basketball court + tennis court thrown into the mix. They have 493 units and a max of 1,422sqf.
It seems too good to be true that psf is around RM700+ within park/golf view, walking distance to LRT, a shit ton of facilities and low maintenance fee. Something must be lacking somewhere.
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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Jul 22 2018, 02:57 AM)
I'm surprised there is zero news coverage from main medias for this property despite it being built on a prime area.

The price psqf seems quite cheap for a low density project with a hell lot of facilities including a badminton court, half basketball court and tennis court.

473 units with maximum 1,030sqf. RM0.35 maintenance fee

It made absolutely no sense. The land area for common area is huge with an insane amount of facilities but the maintenance fee is only RM0.35 while there are only 473 units?

In comparison Atwater is one of the few that has badminton court, however it charges RM0.40 maintenance fee and they do not have half of what Panorama is offering let alone a basketball court + tennis court thrown into the mix. They have 493 units and a max of 1,422sqf.
It seems too good to be true that psf is around RM700+ within park/golf view, walking distance to LRT, a shit ton of facilities and low maintenance fee. Something must be lacking somewhere.
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The unit size is not suitable for mid to big family living.
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That is not the point, the point is with low density and small units + low maintenance fee, how are they actually going to maintain their facilities?

Panorama is the first project that I've seen having a huge area of land dedicated to facilities while having only 2 blocks of mid level towers. On top of that they are semi furnished if I am not mistaken.

If the project goes well, what I foresee is there maybe cut backs on material (using low quality furnishing) and most likely the facilities will not be maintained well, like those cheap apartments.
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That is not the point, the point is with low density and small units + low maintenance fee, how are they actually going to maintain their facilities?

Panorama is the first project that I've seen having a huge area of land dedicated to facilities while having only 2 blocks of mid level towers. On top of that they are semi furnished if I am not mistaken.

If the project goes well, what I foresee is there maybe cut backs on material (using low quality furnishing) and most likely the facilities will not be maintained well, like those cheap apartments.
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I went to the sales gallery yesterday. Seems high quality furnishing
to me. Kitchen cabinet is by Signature Kitchen. Appliances by Teka. Tiles by feruni. Toilet appliances by Johnson Suisse. 2 carpark even for the smallest unit. For bigger unit it is side by side parking. 3 lift and 1 dedicated service lift. Meaning that 4 lift for only 8 units per floor. They also going to built covered walkway to the lrt station. Glenmarie's lrt station going to be an interchange some more. If you get bores with the facilities at the condo, then can just walk to the park or others sport complex. It is just walking distance.


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I went to the sales gallery yesterday. Seems high quality furnishing
to me. Kitchen cabinet is by Signature Kitchen. Appliances by Teka. Tiles by feruni. Toilet appliances by Johnson Suisse. 2 carpark even for the smallest unit. For bigger unit it is side by side parking. 3 lift and 1 dedicated service lift. Meaning that 4 lift  for only 8 units per floor. They also going to built covered walkway to the lrt station. Glenmarie's lrt station going to be an interchange some more. If you get bores with the facilities at the condo, then can just walk to the park or others sport complex. It is just walking distance.
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That's the thing that puzzles me even more. Standard service apartment has 3 lift (including service lift) and the standard facilities with maintenance fee RM0.35, considering the land size, facilities and number of units, it looks reasonable. Panorama on the other hand doesn't seem logical with 4 lifts, 1 half basketball court, 1 badminton court, 1 tennis court and a whole lot of other facilities. On top of that their common area is quite huge compared to most of the project.

Price wise, as mentioned before, they allocated quite a lot of land for facilities and they even plan to build a dedicated walkway to the LRT station? With only 2 towers and total of 400+ units and considerably cheap PSF, it felt like they are cutting cost on somewhere to make up for all these.
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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Jul 22 2018, 08:52 PM)
That's the thing that puzzles me even more. Standard service apartment has 3 lift (including service lift) and the standard facilities with maintenance fee RM0.35, considering the land size, facilities and number of units, it looks reasonable. Panorama on the other hand doesn't seem logical with 4 lifts, 1 half basketball court, 1 badminton court, 1 tennis court and a whole lot of other facilities. On top of that their common area is quite huge compared to most of the project.

Price wise, as mentioned before, they allocated quite a lot of land for facilities and they even plan to build a dedicated walkway to the LRT station? With only 2 towers and total of 400+ units and considerably cheap PSF, it felt like they are cutting cost on somewhere to make up for all these.
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What if the developer want to prove to everybody and want to make it their landmark signature project. I read somewhere in the forum somebody wrote that this is their first high rise project? So better to grab this opportunity if you said it is too good to be true?

How much the booking fee? Lets all buy the remaining unit. Haha..
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What if the developer want to prove to everybody and want to make it their landmark signature project. I read somewhere in the forum somebody wrote that this is their first high rise project? So better to grab this opportunity if you said it is too good to be true?

How much the booking fee? Lets all buy the remaining unit. Haha..
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Did you ask what is the pricing of their units? Lowest and highest.. how many square feet and which unit is it


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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Jul 22 2018, 08:52 PM)
That's the thing that puzzles me even more. Standard service apartment has 3 lift (including service lift) and the standard facilities with maintenance fee RM0.35, considering the land size, facilities and number of units, it looks reasonable. Panorama on the other hand doesn't seem logical with 4 lifts, 1 half basketball court, 1 badminton court, 1 tennis court and a whole lot of other facilities. On top of that their common area is quite huge compared to most of the project.

Price wise, as mentioned before, they allocated quite a lot of land for facilities and they even plan to build a dedicated walkway to the LRT station? With only 2 towers and total of 400+ units and considerably cheap PSF, it felt like they are cutting cost on somewhere to make up for all these.
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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Jul 22 2018, 08:52 PM)
That's the thing that puzzles me even more. Standard service apartment has 3 lift (including service lift) and the standard facilities with maintenance fee RM0.35, considering the land size, facilities and number of units, it looks reasonable. Panorama on the other hand doesn't seem logical with 4 lifts, 1 half basketball court, 1 badminton court, 1 tennis court and a whole lot of other facilities. On top of that their common area is quite huge compared to most of the project.

Price wise, as mentioned before, they allocated quite a lot of land for facilities and they even plan to build a dedicated walkway to the LRT station? With only 2 towers and total of 400+ units and considerably cheap PSF, it felt like they are cutting cost on somewhere to make up for all these.
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Personally I don’t really think it’s cheap, rather I believe it’s priced reasonably. All other developments u mentioned are probably overpriced.

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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Jul 22 2018, 02:57 AM)
I'm surprised there is zero news coverage from main medias for this property despite it being built on a prime area.

The price psqf seems quite cheap for a low density project with a hell lot of facilities including a badminton court, half basketball court and tennis court.

473 units with maximum 1,030sqf. RM0.35 maintenance fee

It made absolutely no sense. The land area for common area is huge with an insane amount of facilities but the maintenance fee is only RM0.35 while there are only 473 units?

In comparison Atwater is one of the few that has badminton court, however it charges RM0.40 maintenance fee and they do not have half of what Panorama is offering let alone a basketball court + tennis court thrown into the mix. They have 493 units and a max of 1,422sqf.
It seems too good to be true that psf is around RM700+ within park/golf view, walking distance to LRT, a shit ton of facilities and low maintenance fee. Something must be lacking somewhere.
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Maintenance fees is RM0.38/psqf lah.. where got RM0.35
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The unit size is not suitable for mid to big family living.
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Atwater will be good for big family with their bigger unit but don't like the road that it's built on.
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panorama residential land vs atwater commercial land if i am not mistaken.

location wise, i would rate atwater as being more attractive with a more mature surrounding and closer to KL.

for own stay, i would rate panorama residence as being more ideal.

so it depends on what one need and require.
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Cheap you complain you doubt expensive you say over price can’t buy niama what you want stay at jungle hahahaha
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Don't need to LCLY bro

Anyway, I've met with one of my friend working for UBG Bhd (parent of loh and loh), I've understood more about the project liao, it is not that great of a deal compared to other project that I've mentioned ...considering what he told me when comparing apple to apple (basically quality/price in comparison). It's like Toto vs Johnson Suisse for toilet bowl (i don't know much about these stuff but it seems that Toto is like the high end brand for toilet stuff?) ... basically premium vs affordable finishing...I've also heard some very interesting story about the company itself..


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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Jul 23 2018, 09:22 PM)
Don't need to LCLY bro

Anyway, I've met with one of my friend working for UBG Bhd (parent of loh and loh), I've understood more about the project liao, it is not that great of a deal compared to other project that I've mentioned ...considering what he told me when comparing apple to apple (basically quality/price in comparison). It's like Toto vs Johnson Suisse for toilet bowl (i don't know much about these stuff but it seems that Toto is like the high end brand for toilet stuff?) ... basically premium vs affordable finishing...I've also heard some very interesting story about the company itself..
I saw you've already signed the SnP.... Good Luck  biggrin.gif
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Trust me there is no developer that give you toto like quality when compared to other johnson suisse quality in malaysia.

Even 4seasons also built by cina mari contractor.

To me loh n loh is ok developer. Not too shabby. Other that you meantioned definitely not toto type quality.


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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Jul 23 2018, 09:22 PM)
Don't need to LCLY bro

Anyway, I've met with one of my friend working for UBG Bhd (parent of loh and loh), I've understood more about the project liao, it is not that great of a deal compared to other project that I've mentioned ...considering what he told me when comparing apple to apple (basically quality/price in comparison). It's like Toto vs Johnson Suisse for toilet bowl (i don't know much about these stuff but it seems that Toto is like the high end brand for toilet stuff?) ... basically premium vs affordable finishing...I've also heard some very interesting story about the company itself..
I saw you've already signed the SnP.... Good Luck  biggrin.gif
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Personally compared to Atwater, i like this project more furthermore it is freehold. Plus location wise the view overlooking greenery area. For rubbish area also using suction like in singapore and they have green building index as well.

I think i want to visit the sales gallery again this weekend and make a booking. I like the layout with big window for every room suitable for my small family with 1 child. Probably corner unit overlooking the park? The golf view almost finish last time i went there.

Any news, should share here before i make a booking.

Is there any buyers' whatsapp or facebook group?


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QUOTE(kochin @ Jul 23 2018, 11:38 AM)
panorama residential land vs atwater commercial land if i am not mistaken.

location wise, i would rate atwater as being more attractive with a more mature surrounding and closer to KL.

for own stay, i would rate panorama residence as being more ideal.

so it depends on what one need and require.
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i believe panorama "serviced" residence is commercial also. any purchasers can confirm?

atwater is leasehold and panorama is "freehold with restrictions" which if not mistaken is converted from leasehold in the past but not sure what are the disadvantages though...
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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Jul 23 2018, 09:22 PM)
Don't need to LCLY bro

Anyway, I've met with one of my friend working for UBG Bhd (parent of loh and loh), I've understood more about the project liao, it is not that great of a deal compared to other project that I've mentioned ...considering what he told me when comparing apple to apple (basically quality/price in comparison). It's like Toto vs Johnson Suisse for toilet bowl (i don't know much about these stuff but it seems that Toto is like the high end brand for toilet stuff?) ... basically premium vs affordable finishing...I've also heard some very interesting story about the company itself..
I saw you've already signed the SnP.... Good Luck  biggrin.gif
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Hey bro, mind sharing what you've learnt about the company? Thx!
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QUOTE(A.B.D. @ Jul 24 2018, 05:32 PM)
i believe panorama "serviced" residence is commercial also. any purchasers can confirm?

atwater is leasehold and panorama is "freehold with restrictions" which if not mistaken is converted from leasehold in the past but not sure what are the disadvantages though...
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Panorama is fully residential. Plus the entrance also quite nice and better looking than atwater in my opinion.
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QUOTE(twom @ Jul 25 2018, 02:18 PM)
Panorama is fully residential. Plus the entrance also quite nice and better looking than atwater in my opinion.
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thanks you guys are right, it's perumahan = residential

http://www.epbt.gov.my/osc/Proj1_Info.cfm?Name=696179&S=S
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quite privacy based on layout plan
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See the airway, i think it is bright and airy not just about privacy. I like the corner unit. Especially block B1 phase 2. They already designated parking lot for every unit so can choose unit based on the parking distance to the lift.

See the entrypoint, panorame against water backdrop it is much nicer than atwater in my opinion.

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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Jul 23 2018, 09:22 PM)
Don't need to LCLY bro

Anyway, I've met with one of my friend working for UBG Bhd (parent of loh and loh), I've understood more about the project liao, it is not that great of a deal compared to other project that I've mentioned ...considering what he told me when comparing apple to apple (basically quality/price in comparison). It's like Toto vs Johnson Suisse for toilet bowl (i don't know much about these stuff but it seems that Toto is like the high end brand for toilet stuff?) ... basically premium vs affordable finishing...I've also heard some very interesting story about the company itself..
I saw you've already signed the SnP.... Good Luck  biggrin.gif
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Hi JasonLeeX, mind to share what u had know about the company please.... smile.gif smile.gif

concerning about the ability to build (been abandon halfway) workmanship, quality (building issue on main structure).... hope you could share with us more about the company. Thanks smile.gif
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Hey bro, mind sharing what you've learnt about the company? Thx!
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QUOTE(twom @ Jul 25 2018, 10:38 PM)
See the airway, i think it is bright and airy not just about privacy. I like the corner unit. Especially block B1 phase 2. They already designated parking lot for every unit so can choose unit based on the parking distance to the lift.

See the entrypoint, panorame against water backdrop it is much nicer than atwater in my opinion.

Anybody going to the show gallery this week?
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Where got corner unit? all unit has neighbour… corner unit = a unit stand alone by itself..

Bear in mind the developer never advertised themself as luxury in anyway.

https://www.propwall.my/insight/611/mentari_court_1
https://www.propertyguru.com.my/condo/panor...elana-jaya-9485

This property reminds me of mentari court all over again. Tons of facilities like badminton court, basketball court etc. but poorly maintain as hell.

For those who don't know about Mentairy court here are some pics https://www.propertyguru.com.my/property-li...w-neoh-27668384

Seriously, mentari min asking price RM 235,000.00 (RM 304.8 psf) … bear in mind this is leasehold + this is asking price...
Panorama sale price is RM 368,000 ~ RM 780,000

I seriously doubt the illustration is what it will look when you move in and after a few years down the road, I don't think it will look all that good then.

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Panorama seems to have 3rd party agents... you can find Panorama agents advertising on Mudah

https://www.mudah.my/Malaysia/panorama+kela...elana&so=1&st=s

I'm surprise for a project completion 2022... so many 3rd party agents already selling it sweat.gif like some cheapo apartment
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Wow so sarcastic ah haha. Am aware of what's in the papers but JasonLeeX mentioned he chatted with his friend and he learnt things, so just curious to know what he learnt. Maybe, really need to learn how to read (properly)? smile.gif

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Really need to read more newspapers smile.gif
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Wow so sarcastic ah haha. Am aware of what's in the papers but JasonLeeX mentioned he chatted with his friend and he learnt things, so just curious to know what he learnt. Maybe, really need to learn how to read (properly)? smile.gif
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Also... 1 biggest question that I have is... how the hell is this a residential title land?


Just look at the surrounding area, non of the buildings are residential.... it is clearly a commercial land.... how did they change it from commercial to residential?


Also, that area is leasehold... they manage to change that as well... banyak magic hmm.gif


Anyone also question them about all these? I seriously want to know how they manage to just convert everything sweat.gif
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Also... 1 biggest question that I have is... how the hell is this a residential title land?
Just look at the surrounding area, non of the buildings are residential.... it is clearly a commercial land.... how did they change it from commercial to residential?
Also, that area is leasehold... they manage to change that as well... banyak magic  hmm.gif
Anyone also question them about all these? I seriously want to know how they manage to just convert everything  sweat.gif
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Err... Shang villa is residential? It is just next door.

Well it is clearly stated residential land and freehold. Nobody want to reveal trade secret?

One more thing, comparing mentari court to this property is like comparing an apple to an orange. Totally different market segment and niche.

Lets take a look at positive side as well rather than soaking up in all the negative all the time. There is no perfect property.

I have been looking up for the perfect property which is within klang valley for many months now. From setiawangsa/wangsa maju area, to klcc area to now kelana jaya/subang/pj/ara damansara area. Nothing is perfect which is within my range. Always there is a downside and also the upside. Nothing is perfect.
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QUOTE(twom @ Jul 30 2018, 01:55 PM)
Err... Shang villa is residential? It is just next door.

Well it is clearly stated residential land and freehold. Nobody want to reveal trade secret?

One more thing, comparing mentari court to this property is like comparing an apple to an orange. Totally different market segment and niche.

Lets take a look at positive side as well rather than soaking up in all the negative all the time. There is no perfect property.

I have been looking up for the perfect property which is within klang valley for many months now. From setiawangsa/wangsa maju area, to klcc area to now kelana jaya/subang/pj/ara damansara area. Nothing is perfect which is within my range. Always there is a downside and also the upside. Nothing is perfect.
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That is strange indeed, I din't notice there is a residential beside it cause before zooming in on google map it says Jurutera Perunding GEA (M) sdn bhd so I thought it is an engineering firm building. Din't know it is a company setup in a condominium.. apart from this, the entire area is commercial which kept me wondering how they managed to get it convert to residential. Most will label it serviced apartment but straight up converting to residential and calling it a condo complex is something new to me.

Not really a trade secret, investor is entitled to ask and these are actually very common questions cause who knows, there maybe some limitation like 1 guy here mentioned it is a freehold with restriction, don't know what it means but since no one here got an answer so let's move on.

I did not say Panorama = Mentari, I just say it reminds me of that apartment, having a bunch of facilities with cheap maintenance fee = shitty looking facilities. The thing about Panorama is since it is labeled as residential, the maintenance fee would become on the high side cause residential rate is lower for some reason (can some expert come and explain why maintenance fee is lower for residential/condo type?)

Of course there is no perfect property, you get what you are paying for so based on the price, you know what you are getting la... just that I see many people here comparing it to those high end serviced apartment because the illustration look just as high class as those high end serviced apartment (I'll admit that the illustration does look good)

Positive side for me, the one facing the stadium view does look very nice. Other than that no comment since everything sounds good on paper while having a bunch of doubts on the quality and developer itself. If this was constructed by sime darby/sp setia or even UOA/Malton.... I can guarantee at this price, people would already take up the entire building at launch day because the price is seriously a steal for a strategic location + good view + low enough density + loads of facilities + lower than standard serviced apartment maintenance rate in view of the facilities + it is a residential title project


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QUOTE(holypredator @ Jul 30 2018, 02:17 PM)

Of course there is no perfect property, you get what you are paying for so based on the price, you know what you are getting la... just that I see many people here comparing it to those high end serviced apartment because the illustration look just as high class as those high end serviced apartment (I'll admit that the illustration does look good)

Positive side for me, the one facing the stadium view does look very nice. Other than that no comment since everything sounds good on paper while having a bunch of doubts on the quality and developer itself. If this was constructed by sime darby/sp setia or even UOA/Malton.... I can guarantee at this price, people would already take up the entire building at launch day because the price is seriously a steal for a strategic location + good view + low enough density + loads of facilities + lower than standard serviced apartment maintenance rate in view of the facilities + it is a residential title project
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Actually I agree with this, I've visited the sales gallery before, no show units only scale models to see, the concepts and promises looks good tbh, but personally I feel this project is too much of a gamble on the developer/Loh&Loh & their reputation, n if it all can be delivered. The developer is concerning, not that the concepts/prospects not promising.
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QUOTE(twom @ Jul 24 2018, 03:00 PM)
Personally compared to Atwater, i like this project more furthermore it is freehold. Plus location wise the view overlooking greenery area. For rubbish area also using suction like in singapore and they have green building index as well.

I think i want to visit the sales gallery again this weekend and make a booking. I like the layout with big window for every room suitable for my small family with 1 child. Probably corner unit overlooking the park? The golf view almost finish last time i went there.

Any news, should share here before i make a booking.

Is there any buyers' whatsapp or facebook group?
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yes, any buyers' group?
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QUOTE(JLJQ @ Jul 30 2018, 02:43 PM)
Actually I agree with this, I've visited the sales gallery before, no show units only scale models to see, the concepts and promises looks good tbh, but personally I feel this project is too much of a gamble on the developer/Loh&Loh & their reputation, n if it all can be delivered. The developer is concerning, not that the concepts/prospects not promising.
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Developer part, they are of course not the top 10 developers but they "were" a public listed company before, the financial standing is not as strong as the big developers so you would have this concern especially current uncertainty on global economy trend.

The part about the project being delayed was also a big question cause this was supposed to be launched since 2014 if im not mistaken.

If you buy from well known developers you can at least feel safe that the project delivers on time and if they don't they will compensate whereas those small players will just halt the project till something comes up. Bear in mind that project being halt or scrapped is not an uncommon thing, so for the first time buyer... I do advise you to study carefully about the developer... it is not a guaranteed deal just because the project is approved by the government and that you've signed the SNP


Concept wise, I got nothing to say cause as mentioned earlier, illustration does not mean it will look like how it will be. What can be reasonably assumed is that you are not investing on it being a luxury project (they din't even bother calling it affordable luxury despite having so much to offer.)


My overall opinion, it is actually not that cheap like those normal condo or apartment but at the same time it is not priced towards the high end segment. I believe the finishing would be quite ok but please stop comparing this shit with high end project.

http://newpropertylaunch.com.my/panaroma-r...es-kelana-jaya/

Also, it seems that some site are claiming it to be serviced apartment (which make sense) but some says it is condo.


If it is serviced apartment and the maintenance fee is RM0.35... back to square one on how the hell are they maintaining the huge common area with so little maintenance fee.


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For those who are wondering about the maintenance fee :

Let me draw up a simple comparison, using a few other projects that are quite similar in density and feature. (between 400-500 units, 2 towers, 4 lifts per floor)

Panorama
Land area : 3.05 acre
Facilities : too many to list +1 half basketball court, 1 badminton court, 1 tennis court and 2 Jogging track
Maintenance Fee : RM0.38 (inclusive sinking fund)

Atwater
Land area : 2.18 acre
Facilities : standard + 2 badminton court, 1 junior half basketball court
Maintenance Fee : RM0.4 (most likely not yet include sinking fund)

Waltz
Land area : 2 acre
Facilities : standard +1 squash court
Maintenance Fee : RM0.38 (inclusive sinking fund)



*Bear in mind RM0.35 maintenance fee excluding sinking fund (if include would be about RM0.38) is standard for service apartment with standard facilities.


See the difference? 1 with nearly 1 acre land more than the average project but maintenance fee is the same as standard serviced apartment while having lower density + huge area dedicated to common area + loads of facilities. I throw in Atwater to show you the contrast cause Atwater is also one of the special ones with additional facility but still far less than panorama while charging much higher maintenance.

I'm not saying Panorama needs higher maintenance fee but I believe they are definitely not going to keep the entire thing in tip top shape after a few years and might end up looking like Mentari Court's facilities. Perhaps they did not factor in actually maintaining the area in tip top shape when they calculate or the place is not like what you see in the picture (meaning all the greens + plants + decoration are illustration purposes and it might end up looking like your neighbor shang villa or mentari court, where it is all stones and walls with no decoration and trees/plants at all)


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http://newpropertylaunch.com.my/panaroma-r...es-kelana-jaya/
http://newpropertylaunch.com.my/atwater-se...-petaling-jaya/
http://newpropertylaunch.com.my/waltz-residences-oug-kl/
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the maintenance fees may not calculate correctly.

the developer will not be the maintenance management not even for the 1st 2 yrs.

if not mistaken after VP the residence need to elect for own building management
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QUOTE(okok888 @ Jul 30 2018, 04:57 PM)
the maintenance fees may not calculate correctly.

the developer will not be the maintenance management not even for the 1st 2 yrs.

if not mistaken after VP the residence need to elect for own building management
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Maintenance fee is calculated by developer factoring in the area and facilities. Of course it can be increased by your own community later on if needed but if the calculation is so low, possible that many things you see in the picture like nice gazebo and all the decoration is just illustration purposes lo.... so low maintenance fee I don't think they will hire people for gardening let alone upkeep the facility to tip top shape


bear in mind it is not uncommon that what you see in the illustration turns out to be something very different from the artist visionary


Ryan & Miho is another project that has exaggerated common area. At least this project dares to call them self "Affordable luxury"

It is RM750psf average (a little cheaper than atwater) but it is also on quite expensive considering it is a leasehold project. I'm surprised they don't label the project as luxury

They dedicate 2.2 acre of land for facility....RM0.36psf without sinking fund but they have about 1k units.

I gonna do more searching on this project 1st, seems interesting


https://ryanandmiho.com/info/
https://ryanmiho.com.my/facility/

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So where is the ideal property in pj?

What’s the maintenance fee for serene kelana Jaya?
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Is there any update for this project? Phase 2 is launched and what is the take-up rate?
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There is SA of the projects in this forum. Last time I went to the sales gallery, golf view almost finished.
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There is SA of the projects in this forum. Last time I went to the sales gallery, golf view almost finished.
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I thought they have at least 2 golf courses nearby...if not 3
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golf view referring to subang club only. actually saujana and glenmarie clubs should be visible across the highway also.
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It is a commercial title. Freehold but with consent.
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It is a commercial title. Freehold but with consent.
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passed by the project site.... doesn't see any progress..... abandon???
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thanks you guys are right, it's perumahan = residential

http://www.epbt.gov.my/osc/Proj1_Info.cfm?Name=696179&S=S
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You sure it is a residential with this text "Pangsapuri Perkhidmatan"=Serviced Apartment.?

Please dont mislead
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it says jenis pemajuan = perumahan

is pangsapuri perkhidmatan not residential?
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Title commercial but development full residential under HDA. After VP, developer will help to change to residential and i don't think no issue because development is fully residential and not even one retail or shop.

In my opinion this project overall is much better than ryan n miho.
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QUOTE(twom @ Sep 13 2018, 08:41 PM)
Title commercial but development full residential under HDA. After VP,  developer will help to change to residential and i don't think no issue because development is fully residential and not even one retail or shop.

In my opinion this project overall is much better than ryan n miho.
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I think its not that

The original usage was residential. Developer changed to commercial so that they can increase plot ratio. Thats why no need to provide retails. Hda or not got nothing to do with land title. As long as you are building residential units you can have schedule h spa hence its protected under hda.

Tis is a restricted freehold development.
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passed by the project site.... doesn't see any progress..... abandon???
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Passed by the project too. They put up a sign stating co.pletion 19th June 2021. There are works progress on site.

Any buyer here?
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Passed by the project too. They put up a sign stating co.pletion 19th June 2021. There are works progress on site.

Any buyer here?
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Fishy company.

Cina owned then sold to middle easterner then hearsay jhlow got share then hearsay will swap w mainlander as part of ercl.

Dare not touch
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Sep 20 2018, 03:49 PM)
Haiz...loh n loh...
Fishy company.

Cina owned then sold to middle easterner then hearsay jhlow got share then hearsay will swap w mainlander as part of ercl.

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As long as the project is delivered, who cares whether it's fishy/ non-fishy company ? tongue.gif

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Rite.....as long.....

See if there is any cement n brick on site.
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As long as the project is delivered, who cares whether it's fishy/ non-fishy company ? tongue.gif
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Passed by, are they doing anything yet? I only see fencing but doesn't seem to see any activity there.

By now the foundation should be completed if their target date is Aug 2021.

Other similar date projects

Park 2 & Lot 15 - Nov 2021 already mid way on completing pilling and foundation works.

Tropicana - December 2020 already finishing few floors


If Panorama haven't even start doing anything, they are way behind schedule.
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I thought it'll take 4years..?
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I thought it'll take 4years..?
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1 yr land clearing and doing foundation.

2 5yrs building structure.

0.60yr road servicing and others
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Only time will tell whether it is going to finish up on time. I read the sign work started only on 25th june 2018, completion 2021. Today i go visit the site got workers, machines and construction materials on site. Dont know how to attached video here.
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Sep 13 2018, 08:46 PM)
I think its not that

The original usage was residential. Developer changed to commercial so that they can increase plot ratio. Thats why no need to provide retails. Hda or not got nothing to do with land title. As long as you are building residential units you can have schedule h spa hence its protected under hda.

Tis is a restricted freehold development.
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1) If the title is commercial, it is commercial usage. It is based on the title. There is nothing called "Usage" in planning term or land title.

2) Developer doesnt need to convert to commercial to increase plot ratio, if still residential, to increase "density" (commercial uses the term "plot ratio" )

3) No need to provide retail? this statement looks a bit out. Increase plot ratio and no need to provide retails are 2 separate issues.





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1) If the title is commercial, it is commercial usage. It is based on the title. There is nothing called "Usage" in planning term or land title.

2) Developer doesnt need to convert to commercial to increase plot ratio, if still residential, to increase "density" (commercial uses the term "plot ratio" )

3) No need to provide retail? this statement looks a bit out. Increase plot ratio and no need to provide retails are 2 separate issues.
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Hi all, here's a vid shared on site of Panorama, courtesy of @twom. Thanks bro! thumbup.gif

Panorama Site

Btw, is there a whatsapp / Facebook group yet? Anyone willing to open ! biggrin.gif


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Hi, may I know when was the video above taken?
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Last week, tomorrow im going to the area again and will take longer video.
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Last week, tomorrow im going to the area again and will take longer video.
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Hi all, here's a vid shared on site of Panorama, courtesy of @twom. Thanks bro!  thumbup.gif

Panorama Site

Btw, is there a whatsapp / Facebook group yet? Anyone willing to open !  biggrin.gif
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Judging from the video and the bunch of pile laying around, it showed that Panorama has yet to begin the pilling works.

When was this video taken? If it is taken today, seriously WTF man? Projects that set their completion date by 2021 like Lot 15 and The Park 2 has already completed their pilling works and you can see a few tower cranes are in place ready for construction.... those projects are estimated to completed at the END of 2021 while Panorama is set to complete in aug 2021 (somewhere in the middle) and they have yet to even begin pilling works?

and what's with the weak fencing? they just put a couple of road blocks and call it a day? Are they short on financing?

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Sep 28 2018, 03:17 PM)
I shall let other more qualified or professional in this field to comment.
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If land category is commercial, any building meant for residential shall only be called serviced residence. The built up is controlled by plot ratio.

If land category is residential, a strata building meant for residential can then be called flat, apartment or condominium. Residential land is restricted by density ie units per acre.


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If land category is commercial, any building meant for residential shall only be called serviced residence. The built up is controlled by plot ratio.

If land category is residential, a strata building meant for residential can then be called flat, apartment or condominium. Residential land is restricted by density ie units per acre.
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Thks for explanation.

For commercial land resi development, are shoplots or/and offices compulsory?
Why some developments can exclude such elements?

What is the highest units per acre allowed under current system for resi land development?
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Isnt the project target completion in 2022 instead of 2021?


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The project only open for sale this year, spa stated completion 2022. Signboard at the project site stated 2021. The project itself according to me not too big. 2 towers with less than 500 units only. I think they can complete the construction on time.

What with all the negativities? Perhaps it is actually jealousy because it is an almost perfect piece of property that other people cannot comprehend the developer and trying to find a bit piece of imperfection to seek solace/inner piece from their own jealousy? Hahaha... Whatever it is, buying a property is always a risk. It is up to you whether to take that risk, although buying a subsale. At least i took the chances and grab the opportunity after going through all the comments in this forum and asking around to bankers and seasoned real estate agents.

The piling works already started with more machinery on site. The video was taken last week. It was raining heavily today as i went through that area. The road furnitures fencing only at the back of the construction side. Please take a look at the photo.


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QUOTE(twom @ Oct 4 2018, 09:21 PM)
The project only open for sale this year, spa stated completion 2022. Signboard at the project site stated 2021. The project itself according to me not too big. 2 towers with less than 500 units only. I think they can complete the construction on time.

What with all the negativities? Perhaps it is actually jealousy because it is an almost perfect piece of property that other people cannot comprehend the developer and trying to find a bit piece of imperfection to seek solace/inner piece from their own jealousy? Hahaha... Whatever it is, buying a property is always a risk. It is up to you whether to take that risk, although buying a subsale. At least i took the chances and grab the opportunity after going through all the comments in this forum and asking around to bankers and seasoned real estate agents.

The piling works already started with more machinery on site. The video was taken last week. It was raining heavily today as i went through that area. The road furnitures fencing only at the back of the construction side. Please take a look at the photo.
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SPA is standard to state 48months for high rise residential building these days, you din't know that? It used to be 36 months but many can't meet their expected completion date so to safeguard themselves, they came out with an additional 1 year buffer.

I highly doubt anyone would wanna be jealous of this project cause there are many units being up for sale and it is cheap as well. You can't be jealous on something affordable and easily available, that is not how jealousy works. You only get jealous when you can't get something or something that is beyond you reach cause it is expensive.

Just saying that it is slow compared to many projects with almost similar completion date. They are taking their sweet time I guess but hey? you get free money if they late.... so it is a win win right? Unless they can't afford to pay you... and Loh & Loh isn't a big player and they have been delisted and even being bailed out from Jho Low before so I won't bet my dollar on them to say that they are financially strong..
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Thks for explanation.

For commercial land resi development, are shoplots or/and offices compulsory?
Why some developments can exclude such elements?
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Under certain planning guidelines, for example, Selangor planning guidelines, shop or retail component can be allowed in Service Apartment developments up to max 30% of GFA if im not mistaken. Normally, developer will add in office component just to give variation and differentiation in product.

QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Oct 4 2018, 06:16 PM)
What is the highest units per acre allowed under current system for resi land development?
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Depends on the gazetted local plan. You will have to refer to the local authorities. But as far as I know, Im aware that 120units per acre especially in RUMAWIP developments are quite common.

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Under certain planning guidelines, for example, Selangor planning guidelines, shop or retail component can be allowed in Service Apartment developments up to max 30% of GFA if im not mistaken. Normally, developer will add in office component just to give variation and differentiation in product.
Depends on the gazetted local plan. You will have to refer to the local authorities. But as far as I know, Im aware that 120units per acre especially in RUMAWIP developments are quite common.
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I dun think the words are 'can be'

It is "have to include".
Bcos its commercial land. All developers must have the element of commercial.

You think developers like to sell resi w shoplots n offices? Most service apartments ground floor all look so kelian de...
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Taiko

I dun think the words are 'can be'

It is "have to include".
Bcos its commercial land. All developers must have the element of commercial.

You think developers like to sell resi w shoplots n offices? Most service apartments ground floor all look so kelian de...
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Got many examples of serviced residence without shoplots below. Example: Tropicana Metropark Pandora, Paloma etc.
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Here is the latest update on pilling progress. Piling started around Aug 2018. From my counting roughly 100-150 piles are already in the ground. Looks like total piles in the region of 400-500 pcs


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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Oct 3 2018, 11:11 PM)
Judging from the video and the bunch of pile laying around, it showed that Panorama has yet to begin the pilling works.
Well that's why we can tell a good book from its cover. I counter the piling work daily. and do you know what piling method they are using based on your judgement?
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Kimzee we are you a agent or buyer?
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Taiko,

Got many examples of serviced residence without shoplots below. Example: Tropicana Metropark Pandora, Paloma etc.
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You do know pandora and paloma is under residential title right? That is why the entire area of metropark is called "mixed title"

The land itself was an industrial land but tropicana convert the land over and since they are doing that.. might as well segregate residential and commercial.


Whereas you can't convert a land which is presently an area of commercial to residential just for yourself.



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Well  that's why we can tell a good book from its cover. I counter the piling work daily. and do you know what piling method they are using based on your judgement?
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Hence slow lo.... they should not be doing piling anymore at this stage if they were to complete it by 2021 aug. They must have delayed somewhere.

and no.. their estimated date upon launch is not 2022, that is SPA date.. which every project also have 1 year buffer.


They somehow delayed somewhere... but then again.. like I said.. delay = money compensation for the buyers ...


just don't end up going broke thats all.. like THE BOSS KLANG
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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Oct 5 2018, 07:51 PM)
You do know pandora and paloma is under residential title right? That is why the entire area of metropark is called "mixed title"

The land itself was an industrial land but tropicana convert the land over and since they are doing that.. might as well segregate residential and commercial.
Whereas you can't convert a land which is presently an area of commercial to residential just for yourself.
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thks Jason.

where i dont know any particular history abt a piece of land, you guys can google a piece of write up by a local llawyer.

if a piece of land was originally residential n the developer converted to commercial, there is no need for commercial element. case: setia sky residences.

otherwiise there is no escape of providing shops n office if its a commercial land.

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Kimzee we are you a agent or buyer?
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I am a buyer. Initially was looking at Sunway Serene or Highpark Suites, but this property closer to MRT and to me is better buy for investment.
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Well  that's why we can tell a good book from its cover. I counter the piling work daily. and do you know what piling method they are using based on your judgement?
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What piling method they are using?
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I am a buyer. Initially was looking at  Sunway Serene or Highpark Suites, but this property closer to MRT and to me is better buy for investment.
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Lrt not mrt.

I also think tis project location is better than the two u mentioned.

But within walking distance tak ada non halal food and the developer is in question.
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Oct 8 2018, 09:01 PM)
Lrt not mrt.

I also think tis project location is better than the two u mentioned.

But within walking distance tak ada non halal food and the developer is in question.
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Actually there is a hawker style makan place inside Shang Villa but you are right, food outlet is limited unless you head down to Paradigm mall. Upside is less foreigners hanging around.
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What piling method they are using?
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It's called Hydraulic Jacking pilling system. The piles are pressed into the ground using hydraulic clamp and heavy weight.
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what is the current promo or rebate now?
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Oct 5 2018, 08:50 PM)
thks Jason.

where i dont know any particular history abt a piece of land, you guys can google a piece of write up by a local llawyer.

if a piece of land was originally residential n the developer converted to commercial, there is no need for commercial element. case: setia sky residences.

otherwiise there is no escape of providing shops n office if its a commercial land.
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i m very doubt this BOLD statement is correct..it is not compulsory to build retails at the lower floors.

the purpose why the developer builds the retail shops at the lower floors for serviced apartments...it is because rarely ppl will buy ground floor for staying..a better bet by developer is to build retail shops at the lower floors ...


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i m very doubt this BOLD statement is correct..it is not compulsory to build retails at the lower floors.

the purpose why the developer builds the retail shops at the lower floors for serviced apartments...it is because rarely ppl will buy ground floor for staying..a better bet by developer is to build retail shops at the lower floors  ...
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Like i said go google an articke writren by a lawyer.

Am not law maker n i dun write law.. just share wat i read.

See southbrookes...how many low floor units atill avaible?
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Oct 13 2018, 12:32 PM)
Like i said go google an articke writren by a lawyer.

Am not law maker n i dun write law.. just share wat i read.

See southbrookes...how many low floor units atill avaible?
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I dont know what the lawyer wrote in his/her article...but the fact is it is not compulsory to build retails at the lower floors. If the developer still continues building the retail shop, the developer should know now what is the marketability of those retail shops below condo or serviced apartment...

Anyone with correct information and knowledge, please come forward to clarify if any misleading information posted in this forum.

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any further updates on the site?

by the way this project is under HDA right? so the chance of being abandoned is lower?
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any further updates on the site?

by the way this project is under HDA right? so the chance of being abandoned is lower?
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Abandon is up to developers capability and nothing.

HDA may protect the buyers but if a developer go bust or run away with the money, who is going to refund you anything? GOV?



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any further updates on the site?

by the way this project is under HDA right? so the chance of being abandoned is lower?
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this is a residential land title, restricted freehold and no shops on ground floor.
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Abandon is up to developers capability and nothing.

HDA may protect the buyers but if a developer go bust or run away with the money, who is going to refund you anything? GOV?
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HDA protected project lah taiko...

how can developer run away with your money???

they can only claim from you/bank after completion of stages. you are paying what they have completed the work.

yes, the risk of abandonment will still be there, but you got what you paid for, even if its half complete.

if you look at the progressive payment schedule, only the 1st 10% signing of spa you have nothing physical. from 10% onwards to 70%, the building is almost completed jor.
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Can an agent please PM me. looking to get the 2Br2b type.
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No agent selling d . Funny developer .
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No agent selling d . Funny developer .
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Previously developer appoint agency to sell . Now they sell at Their own maybe sales to good they don’t want to cut cost and sell at their own btw I’m One of the owner .
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Tantan congrat......

I grew to like old subang airport road but never found one sam sui development there....
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hoarding up already..
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facts : a long time ago there was a mamak on this site? remember having a tt with some aviation enthuasiast from malaysianwings way back. what was the name again *trying to recall.

Pros
1. view : golf course view would be nice, but i hope it's not 1k psf bye.gif
2. name : have always fancied the "Panorama" branding name. i guess it's only me blush.gif
3. near sport ammeties : location wise, i'd love it since it's a walking distance to the KJ olympic size public pool biggrin.gif
4. near lincon uni, prospect students' + lecturers brows.gif
5. near mas academy
6. walking distance to CGC - Glenmarie, LRT Stop ID: KJ27 - to me this is a win + factor .
(provided they put a proper pedestrian + walking path + cross that bz road)

Cons
1. near a busy road , but these day everywhere is congested
2. office nearby/next door. sure high traffic during office in/out
3. PJ Counsil Stadium : during event's sure will be packed. /extra congested

let's see, what else rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(pilotHans @ Oct 24 2018, 08:51 AM)
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facts : a long time ago there was a mamak on this site?  remember having a tt with some aviation enthuasiast from malaysianwings way back. what was the name again *trying to recall.

Pros
1. view : golf course view would be nice, but i hope it's not 1k psf  bye.gif 
2. name : have always fancied the "Panorama" branding name. i guess it's only me  blush.gif
3. near sport ammeties : location wise, i'd love it since it's a walking distance to the KJ olympic size public pool  biggrin.gif
4. near lincon uni, prospect students' + lecturers  brows.gif 
5. near mas academy
6. walking distance to CGC - Glenmarie, LRT Stop ID: KJ27 - to me this is a win + factor .
(provided they put a proper pedestrian + walking path + cross that bz road)

Cons
1. near a busy road , but these day everywhere is congested
2. office nearby/next door. sure high traffic during office in/out
3. PJ Counsil Stadium : during event's sure will be packed. /extra congested

let's see, what else  rolleyes.gif
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there is a walking path to the station, and actually not that far
during office in/out the traffic is actually not so bad, just have to wait for one traffic light if you are heading to federal/nkve via subang airport road
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I think there are two golf courses.

saujana and KL something golf course?

the road in front of condo not busy. its the old subang airport road that jam, bcos ppl cant decide which lane to stick to...they just want the fastest lane and cut queue at last minute.

THIS condo got EVERYTHING I am looking for EXCEPT non halal food within walking distance.

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Oct 24 2018, 10:17 AM)
I think there are two golf courses.

saujana and KL something golf course?

the road in front of condo not busy. its the old subang airport road that jam, bcos ppl cant decide which lane to stick to...they just want the fastest lane and cut queue at last minute.

THIS condo got EVERYTHING I am looking for EXCEPT non halal food within walking distance.
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boss, non halal can always open at kelana business centre when there is demand

to have everything you want except that is very good already, it is not a permanent issue like geographical, terrain, land tenure, cemetery and other buildings that create noise, traffic jams issues etc.
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QUOTE(rx4r @ Oct 24 2018, 10:13 AM)
there is a walking path to the station, and actually not that far
during office in/out the traffic is actually not so bad, just have to wait for one traffic light if you are heading to federal/nkve via subang airport road
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hmm.gif i will go and walk to appriciate . sometime after swimming there some day in this near future biggrin.gif


QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Oct 24 2018, 10:17 AM)
I think there are two golf courses.

saujana and KL something golf course?

the road in front of condo not busy. its the old subang airport road that jam, bcos ppl cant decide which lane to stick to...they just want the fastest lane and cut queue at last minute.

THIS condo got EVERYTHING I am looking for EXCEPT non halal food within walking distance.
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i. on the south is kelab golf negara subang
ii. west is Saujana Golf & Country Club.
iii. I'm sure time will tell , iinm theres ample of commersial lots at that glomac boulavard or whatever that name is sweat.gif


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QUOTE(A.B.D. @ Oct 24 2018, 10:50 AM)
boss, non halal can always open at kelana business centre when there is demand

to have everything you want except that is very good already, it is not a permanent issue like geographical, terrain, land tenure, cemetery and other buildings that create noise, traffic jams issues etc.
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i know taiko....

am just pick bones nia....a bit of a prick...try not to commit therefore find faults. there is no perfect property.

BTW long time i havent been to KBC. is there non halal food there now?

actually I am more concern about Loh&loh.
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well nowadays it seems one can get a good deal too after completion, maybe you can revisit.

not familiar with kbc, but there are a couple of pubs like branigans and 118 so non halal biz should not be a problem, just needs demand. i guess a shop selling noodles & rice with chicken/duck/charsiew/roast pork will do well especially on weekdays.


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QUOTE(Tan&tan @ Oct 24 2018, 04:05 AM)
Previously developer appoint agency to sell . Now they sell at Their own maybe sales to good they don’t want to cut cost and sell at their own btw I’m One of the owner .
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this is a residential land title, restricted freehold and no shops on ground floor.
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Syarat syarat nyata : Bangunan Perniagaan.
It is freehold with a restriction/consent imposed at the title.
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Can an agent please PM me. looking to get the 2Br2b type.
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I am sure there are still available units. You can visit their sales office at Sri Hartamas. Just google it.
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facts : a long time ago there was a mamak on this site?  remember having a tt with some aviation enthuasiast from malaysianwings way back. what was the name again *trying to recall.

Pros
1. view : golf course view would be nice, but i hope it's not 1k psf  bye.gif 
2. name : have always fancied the "Panorama" branding name. i guess it's only me  blush.gif
3. near sport ammeties : location wise, i'd love it since it's a walking distance to the KJ olympic size public pool  biggrin.gif
4. near lincon uni, prospect students' + lecturers  brows.gif 
5. near mas academy
6. walking distance to CGC - Glenmarie, LRT Stop ID: KJ27 - to me this is a win + factor .
(provided they put a proper pedestrian + walking path + cross that bz road)

Cons
1. near a busy road , but these day everywhere is congested
2. office nearby/next door. sure high traffic during office in/out
3. PJ Counsil Stadium : during event's sure will be packed. /extra congested

let's see, what else  rolleyes.gif
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The used to be 'not-exactly' mamak place is called Showru. We used to have weekly bikers meet there too. wink.gif

IMO if buying for own stay

Pros
-very quite place at night (unless got event at the stadium)
-sports complexes across the road
-big playground beside the stadium
-congestion not bad unless you work in Subang
-short direct access to LRT station
-direct access to NKVE and LDP
-is in a buffer zone between NKVE and LDP unlike some which are just NEXT to it.
-some golf course and lake view
-less than 10km to SS2, Taman Paramount, Sunway or Subang Jaya for good food
-not many foreigners around this area
-nearest mall is Paradigm where they are now revamping their F&B offerings


Cons
-the road in front always flood when heavy rain
-no access to decent food stalls within walking distance
-may be noisy and congestion when there are event at the stadium
-LLC's first highrise project

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Oct 24 2018, 01:33 PM)
i know taiko....

am just pick bones nia....a bit of a prick...try not to commit therefore find faults. there is no perfect property.

BTW long time i havent been to KBC. is there non halal food there now?

actually I am more concern about Loh&loh.
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IMO there cannot be 100% sure-thing in this world. For property investments/purchases we have to do own research and due diligence based on observable and verified facts.
Of course firstly you must be ready to Purchase/Invest, not just Waiting for some golden goose to appear.
If after all the analysis and own survey the green light factors come up to 80% and your heart is 10% there, I say it is good to go.

In my case next to HT towers immediately minus 40 cent/points can only counteract by highly discounted prices and reasonable locality. cheers.
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QUOTE(kimzee @ Oct 24 2018, 04:52 PM)
The used to be 'not-exactly' mamak place is called Showru. We used to have weekly bikers meet there too. wink.gif

IMO if buying for own stay

Pros
-very quite place at night (unless got event at the stadium)
-sports complexes across the road
-big playground beside the stadium
-congestion not bad unless you work in Subang
-short direct access to LRT station
-direct access to NKVE and LDP
-is in a buffer zone between NKVE and LDP unlike some which are just NEXT to it.
-some golf course and lake view
-less than 10km to SS2, Taman Paramount, Sunway or Subang Jaya for good food
-not many foreigners around this area
-nearest mall is Paradigm where they are now revamping their F&B offerings
Cons
-the road in front always flood when heavy rain
-no access to decent food stalls within walking distance
-may be noisy and congestion when there are event at the stadium
-LLC's  first highrise project
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thanks for your feedback. already got in touch with an agent. i just dont have the time to drop by there within this week. let's see.hmm. prices are a bit steep dry.gif
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QUOTE(pilotHans @ Oct 25 2018, 03:19 PM)
thanks for your feedback. already got in touch with an agent. i just dont have the time to drop by there within this week. let's see.hmm. prices are a bit steep  dry.gif
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What's the selling price?
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What's the selling price?
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700-800psf depending on size. 750, 900 and 1000 IIRC.
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thanks for your feedback. already got in touch with an agent. i just dont have the time to drop by there within this week. let's see.hmm. prices are a bit steep  dry.gif
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It's slightly cheaper than surrounding new launches e.g Sunway Serene 850psf, Highpark suites 1k psf and Azure also 1k psf. only exception is the Grand.

Oh ya one more PRO or CON depending on your personal orientation; it is smacked next to a mosque.
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QUOTE(Tan&tan @ Oct 24 2018, 04:05 AM)
Previously developer appoint agency to sell . Now they sell at Their own maybe sales to good they don’t want to cut cost and sell at their own btw I’m One of the owner .
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That is the biggest bullshit I've heard so far for someone trying to compliment their own buy


https://www.propertyguru.com.my/property-fo...elana-jaya-9485


Panorama is by far being one of the most marketed properties by agent.


A lot of the property agents I know have this project in their repertoire.



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QUOTE(davkong @ Oct 25 2018, 09:47 PM)
What's the selling price?
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Type A 749sqf 2+1. RM753psft .

QUOTE(kimzee @ Oct 25 2018, 11:33 PM)
700-800psf depending on size.  750, 900 and 1000 IIRC.
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yup. around this pricing

QUOTE(kimzee @ Oct 25 2018, 11:38 PM)
It's slightly cheaper than surrounding new launches e.g Sunway Serene 850psf, Highpark suites 1k psf and Azure also 1k psf. only exception is the Grand.

Oh ya one more PRO or CON depending on your personal orientation; it is smacked next to a mosque.
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+ yes indeed,i comes to personal preference + budget of coz. Thanks for having details on other near surrounding projects. thumbsup.gif

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That is the biggest bullshit I've heard so far for someone trying to compliment their own buy
https://www.propertyguru.com.my/property-fo...elana-jaya-9485
Panorama is by far being one of the most marketed properties by agent.
A lot of the property agents I know have this project in their repertoire.
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Ha Ha.......You talked like there is an award trophy for best self compliments of a particular property purchase. Please be objective here la. Regardless of how good/bad a particular buyer thinks of his/her own buy ultimately THEY are the ones to bear the consequences that goes with their purchase.
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According to google map, the masjid is about 750 meters from panorama residence. Not next to it though.
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less than 400m actually
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QUOTE(A.B.D. @ Oct 26 2018, 10:49 AM)
less than 400m actually
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1. mcm panorama yg satu lagi jer ni biggrin.gif
2. put curtains . 2 or 3 layers. even the street noise u can avoid flex.gif normally in good hotels do u even hear the noise outside? biggrin.gif
3. unless the balcony is huge and u hang out at the balcony most of your time, which brings me to the point..what a view to see a golf course. hope they is a 100 years least on that golf course. laugh.gif

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some buyers/tenants would want to hear and be near to the mosque so it can be a plus point.

but some don't want to hear the mosque and there are treatments for that. like hotels have thick glass and almost airtight seal for their windows to give customers a quiet room.
companies like this can do it https://q-windows.com.my/

alternatively one can choose a unit not in the path of the sound, but don't end up facing another source of noise that goes on for 24/7 like highway

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less than 400m actually
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which mosque is this? closest one i know is the masjid tengku kelana jaya..dont think its that near?
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QUOTE(pilotHans @ Oct 26 2018, 10:56 AM)
1. mcm panorama yg satu lagi jer ni  biggrin.gif
2. put curtains . 2 or 3 layers. even the street noise u can avoid  flex.gif  normally in good hotels do u even hear the noise outside? biggrin.gif
3. unless the balcony is huge and u hang out at the balcony most of your time, which brings me to the point..what a view to see a golf course. hope they is a 100 years least on that golf course. laugh.gif
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2... hotels mostly got double glaze. singapre airport transit hotel is the BESTEST. you cant even feel you are sleeping next to runway.
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which mosque is this? closest one i know is the masjid tengku kelana jaya..dont think its that near?
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that's the one. walking distance is about 600m but location wise it is under 400m from panorama.

also sound may be a concern, and sound doesn't take the walking route


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sound doesn't take the walking route
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Exactly....when the volume is ramped up you feel like you are next to it lor.
And the solution (for those in the negative camp) will cost prolly more than 20K.
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QUOTE(pilotHans @ Oct 26 2018, 09:52 AM)
Type A 749sqf 2+1. RM753psft .
yup. around this pricing
+ yes indeed,i comes to personal preference + budget of coz. Thanks for having details on other near surrounding projects.  :thumbsup:
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actually tis pano not cheap at all......1000psf.
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Oct 26 2018, 01:57 PM)
actually tis pano not cheap at all......1000psf.
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with such high entry level, not sure how to rent out / or even break even sweat.gif
it's like MK property price already dry.gif
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QUOTE(kimzee @ Oct 26 2018, 09:52 AM)
Ha Ha.......You talked like there is an award  trophy for best self compliments of a particular property purchase. Please be objective here la. Regardless of how good/bad a particular buyer thinks of his/her own buy ultimately THEY are the ones to bear the consequences that goes with their purchase.
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First of all, I'm just pointing out what is not factual being said with evidence to support it. Second, I am being objective with evidence from propguru sales list which indicates factual points so either you do not know what objective means or you've used the wrong word.


Like I said, I'm not putting the buyers down, just pointing out the facts, can't stand blatant BS.
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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Oct 26 2018, 01:34 AM)
That is the biggest bullshit I've heard so far for someone trying to compliment their own buy
https://www.propertyguru.com.my/property-fo...elana-jaya-9485
Panorama is by far being one of the most marketed properties by agent.
A lot of the property agents I know have this project in their repertoire.
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Try call and see . They can sell I let you sit at my head .
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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Oct 26 2018, 09:56 PM)
First of all, I'm just pointing out what is not factual being said with evidence to support it. Second, I am being objective with evidence from propguru sales list which indicates factual points so either you do not know what objective means or you've used the wrong word.
Like I said, I'm not putting the buyers down, just pointing out the facts, can't stand blatant BS.
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You want me call reporter and interview then give you award Or not hahahahaha buat pandai padahal can siao bxdxh
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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Oct 26 2018, 01:34 AM)
That is the biggest bullshit I've heard so far for someone trying to compliment their own buy
https://www.propertyguru.com.my/property-fo...elana-jaya-9485
Panorama is by far being one of the most marketed properties by agent.
A lot of the property agents I know have this project in their repertoire.
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You got a lot Property friend your pasal la HAHAH END up also bs at forum . So pandai go build a puniama residence and ask all your agent friend and sell la . Or open a agency and go beg developer let you sell la .HAHAHAHAAH . Talk no brain at all want bash people . Go call go call Agent . See they can sell or not panorama.
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QUOTE(Tan&tan @ Oct 26 2018, 10:21 PM)
You got a lot Property friend your pasal la HAHAH END up also bs at forum . So pandai go build a puniama residence and ask all your agent friend and sell la . Or open a agency and go beg developer let you sell la .HAHAHAHAAH . Talk no brain at all want bash people . Go call go call Agent . See they can sell or not panorama.
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I literally just paste a site with a list of agents selling panorama and that is just in propertyguru, not sure why are you denying it but ok, whatever rocks your boat.
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How on earth it’s a commercial
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Title PT5197, HS(D) 315718, Section 40, Bdr Petaling Jaya
Syarat syarat nyata : Bangunan Perniagaan.
It is freehold with a restriction/consent imposed at the title.

Is this clear ur earth?

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Title PT5197, HS(D) 315718, Section 40, Bdr Petaling Jaya
Syarat syarat nyata : Bangunan Perniagaan.
It is freehold with a restriction/consent imposed at the title.

Is this clear ur earth?
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If this panorama no shoplots or office on ground and 1st floor, confirmed original plan was residential but developer converted to commercial to increase the plot ratio.

Suidai thinks nia. I often wrong de.
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Hi, this project comes with a Freehold (With Restriction) + Express Land Condition: The Land Cannot be Transferred, Leased, or Charged except with the Consent of The State Authority. (page 8 of the PDF attachment)

What I am concerned here is that, does that mean in future once I fully paid up the housing loan, in order to get the land strata title transferred to my name, a consent has to be obtained from the Department of the Land and Miles (Pejabat Tanah), which would be considered cumbersome, given MoT legal fee is not in the selling package, how sure is it that I'll get my part of strata title?

Also, in case I intend to sell it in future, it will be another long process to go yeah (since consent has to be obtained)?

Is this project a residential project built on a commercial land? Is it protected under Housing Development Act (HDA)?

I sincerely seek for sifus here for the advice. Thank you very much
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QUOTE(a.lifehacks @ Oct 29 2018, 01:39 PM)
Hi, this project comes with a Freehold (With Restriction) + Express Land Condition: The Land Cannot be Transferred, Leased, or Charged except with the Consent of The State Authority. (page 8 of the PDF attachment)

What I am concerned here is that, does that mean in future once I fully paid up the housing loan, in order to get the land strata title transferred to my name, a consent has to be obtained from the Department of the Land and Miles (Pejabat Tanah), which would be considered cumbersome, given MoT legal fee is not in the selling package, how sure is it that I'll get my part of strata title?

Also, in case I intend to sell it in future, it will be another long process to go yeah (since consent has to be obtained)?

Is this project a residential project built on a commercial land? Is it protected under Housing Development Act (HDA)?

I sincerely seek for sifus here for the advice. Thank you very much
Attached File  Pano_FloorPlan_eBrochure.pdf ( 1.28mb ) Number of downloads: 232

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FREEHOLD but process macam leasehold and all the complications and delay come with it.

HDA has nothing to do with land title. as long as the building is for residential purposes, it will be covered under HDA. to be sure, ask developer what schedule is the SPA be.
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actually tis pano not cheap at all......1000psf.
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Mana ada 1k psf bro? 7xx right
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Mana ada 1k psf bro? 7xx right
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Someone said so above....for 7xxsq units.
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Someone said so above....for 7xxsq units.
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753 PSF bro. Wrongly read is it?
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Yah yah..

Read wrongly....stupid dumb dumb
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Oct 28 2018, 09:58 PM)
If this panorama no shoplots or office on ground and 1st floor, confirmed original plan was residential but developer converted to commercial to increase the plot ratio.

Suidai thinks nia. I often wrong de.
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I really dont know how to tell u this statement is wrong too...
i give up...
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I really dont know how to tell u this statement is wrong too...
i give up...
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Its ok.

Agree to disagree.
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Rough distance of HTC to panorama


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Rough distance of HTC to panorama
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Doesn't seem to be an issue.
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This project is low/mid end serviced apartment, nothing to hoo haa about.

Personally I believe a lot of blacks/foreign worker would stay there looking at the price range. Cheaper rent & close to LRT... their favourite

Panorama was never advertised as luxury living to begin with. The cost is cheap and the maintenance is very cheap considering the amount of facilities and size of the common area shows that they know that they aren't even going for quality but quantity to attract buyers (Estimated only RM0.35/0.38 incl sinking fund for size of common area and facility given, they knew they are using cheap equipment.. probably Johnson brand treadmill etc.).

With that aside, here are the facts that would tells you that they aren't targeting towards high-end/premium/luxury. In fact, the materials that they used seems to show that they are just cutting cost here and there to get the cheapest out of construction.

Wall - Reinforced concrete/brickwall (where applicable) : High end SA normally uses Masonry especially for partition instead of brickwall for better sound absorbance and of course it is more solid. Brickwall is normally the cheaper option used for low end flat till mid end SA or even 'affordable luxury' condo. Definitely not those high end or luxury condo.

Roof covering - Reinforced concrete flat roof / metal deck (where applicable) : Metal deck roof.. sweat.gif

Ceiling - Skim Coat / Plaster Ceiling / Board & paint : Board and paint, seriously? Why wanna cut cost with certain area using board & paint.

Doors - Decorative Fire rate door : Pretty standard for low/mid end condo. High end normally uses Timber or better.

Wall finish - Kitchen uses Ceramic tiles while bathrooms uses porcelain tiles. High end ones would never use ceramic tiles, too cheap. Again, felt like they are trying to save back on some area instead of using porcelain tile for all the wall finishing.

Floor finish - porcelain tiles/Ceramic tiles (where applicable). You know it is low end when the bedroom uses porcelain tiles. High end ones normally uses laminated timber whereas luxury premium ones would use engineered timber. Super luxury one would use hardwood for their bedroom floor. Also... ceramic again sweat.gif

SMATV point only give 1 even for 1k sqft units. No TV for you in the bedroom I guess sweat.gif

Seriously, the entire finishing seems pretty low end and average at best. I would hate to see the equipment quality they are giving for the facilities. Not saying it is not livable or anything, just don't expect Panorama to be anything above mid level la..

Location wise, it is far from good. Practically speaking, what is the point of having golf courses near your apartment? View? apart from that, there are no real amenities within walking distance (no shopping mall, no grocery store and also no good choice of food stall). The area is very dense and not well kept hence appeal wise, the surrounding area isn't good as well. Within less than 500 meters is the busiest road in Klang Valley, that is seriously too close for comfort.

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Actually i kind of like the location, easy access to the Old Airport Road, LDP and Federal Highway. I have been staying in the area for a very long time and i know this area pretty well.

Just that i am seriously not in a rush so i will probably look out if there's additional price cut from developer within 12 months. Hoping for a better deal i guess.
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Actually i kind of like the location, easy access to the Old Airport Road, LDP and Federal Highway. I have been staying in the area for a very long time and i know this area pretty well.

Just that i am seriously not in a rush so i will probably look out if there's additional price cut from developer within 12 months. Hoping for a better deal i guess.
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If you were the early bird, you got to choose unit, lower price, better view, better unit.
Now all sold out i guess, not sure what u mean by additional price cut
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This project is low/mid end serviced apartment, nothing to hoo haa about.

Personally I believe a lot of blacks/foreign worker would stay there looking at the price range. Cheaper rent & close to LRT... their favourite

Panorama was never advertised as luxury living to begin with. The cost is cheap and the maintenance is very cheap considering the amount of facilities and size of the common area shows that they know that they aren't even going for quality but quantity to attract buyers (Estimated only RM0.35/0.38 incl sinking fund for size of common area and facility given, they knew they are using cheap equipment.. probably Johnson brand treadmill etc.).

With that aside, here are the facts that would tells you that they aren't targeting towards high-end/premium/luxury. In fact, the materials that they used seems to show that they are just cutting cost here and there to get the cheapest out of construction.

Wall - Reinforced concrete/brickwall (where applicable) : High end SA normally uses Masonry especially for partition instead of brickwall for better sound absorbance and of course it is more solid. Brickwall is normally the cheaper option used for low end flat till mid end SA or even 'affordable luxury' condo. Definitely not those high end or luxury condo.

Roof covering - Reinforced concrete flat roof / metal deck (where applicable) : Metal deck roof..  sweat.gif

Ceiling - Skim Coat / Plaster Ceiling / Board & paint : Board and paint, seriously? Why wanna cut cost with certain area using board & paint.

Doors - Decorative Fire rate door : Pretty standard for low/mid end condo. High end normally uses Timber or better.

Wall finish - Kitchen uses Ceramic tiles while bathrooms uses porcelain tiles. High end ones would never use ceramic tiles, too cheap. Again, felt like they are trying to save back on some area instead of using porcelain tile for all the wall finishing.

Floor finish - porcelain tiles/Ceramic tiles (where applicable). You know it is low end when the bedroom uses porcelain tiles. High end ones normally uses laminated timber whereas luxury premium ones would use engineered timber. Super luxury one would use hardwood for their bedroom floor. Also... ceramic again  sweat.gif

SMATV point only give 1 even for 1k sqft units. No TV for you in the bedroom I guess  sweat.gif

Seriously, the entire finishing seems pretty low end and average at best. I would hate to see the equipment quality they are giving for the facilities. Not saying it is not livable or anything, just don't expect Panorama to be anything above mid level la..

Location wise, it is far from good. Practically speaking, what is the point of having golf courses near your apartment? View? apart from that, there are no real amenities within walking distance (no shopping mall, no grocery store and also no good choice of food stall). The area is very dense and not well kept hence appeal wise, the surrounding area isn't good as well. Within less than 500 meters is the busiest road in Klang Valley, that is seriously too close for comfort.
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I beg to differ with your analysis. very dodgy IMO.

I have never heard this piece of development to be considered a High End development nia.
Starting price from 600+ k cannot be in the high end range la bro.
Somemore Kelana Jaya address not glamourous at all. I wonder where you get the idea from.

The foreign ppl you mentioned I wonder where they work? You know these ppl usually like to stay in the viccinity where they work and if they work around Paradigm mall area, then there are tons of cheaper and lower cost accomodation near there.

Near highway? Why not compare it to Sunway Serene, Highpark Suites, Kelana Plaza, Azure and Sapphire or even to Mahkota Kelana, Zenith and Kelana Putera I can say not even need to compare which one is nearer just ask which one are directly NEXT to highway and the answer is crystal clear.


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QUOTE(kimzee @ Nov 8 2018, 11:40 AM)
I beg to differ with your analysis. very dodgy IMO.

I have never heard this piece of development to be considered a High End development nia.
Starting price from 600+ k cannot be in the high end range la bro.
Somemore Kelana Jaya address not glamourous at all. I wonder where you get the idea from.

The foreign ppl you mentioned I wonder where they work? You know these ppl usually like to stay in the viccinity where they work and if they work around Paradigm mall area, then there are tons of cheaper and lower cost accomodation near there.

Near highway? Why not compare it to Sunway Serene, Highpark Suites, Kelana Plaza, Azure and Sapphire  or even to Mahkota Kelana, Zenith and Kelana Putera I can say not even  need to compare which one is  nearer just ask which one are directly NEXT to highway and the answer is crystal clear.
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My point was the project is low-mid end did you read my post wrongly? Where did I mention it is on a high end range, in fact I am trying to argue that it is not.

Foreign ppl it is subjective and that is what I presume cause it is a short distance to LRT and that area seems to cater for a lot of bangla etc. with lots of shops around and low end commercial around that area. I also foresee many blacks or those foreign student would rent that place seeing that it is near the LRT and the project is affordable.

Case in point - See casa tiara, a similar level (price wise at least)... it is fill with foreigners from bangla to blacks to Cambodians (those security guards) because of LRT convenience and easy travel to shops and low end commercial area (where they work).

Why would I want to compare highway? I see what I see and the kelana road is one of the most jam pack roads around klang valley. Ara damansara people literally get stuck trying to get to federal highway because of the massive jam there.
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QUOTE(holypredator @ Nov 8 2018, 08:49 PM)
My point was the project is low-mid end did you read my post wrongly? Where did I mention it is on a high end range, in fact I am trying to argue that it is not.

Foreign ppl it is subjective and that is what I presume cause it is a short distance to LRT and that area seems to cater for a lot of bangla etc. with lots of shops around and low end commercial around that area. I also foresee many blacks or those foreign student would rent that place seeing that it is near the LRT and the project is affordable.

Case in point - See casa tiara, a similar level (price wise at least)... it is fill with foreigners from bangla to blacks to Cambodians (those security guards) because of LRT convenience and easy travel to shops and low end commercial area (where they work).

Why would I want to compare highway? I see what I see and the kelana road is one of the most jam pack roads around klang valley. Ara damansara people literally get stuck trying to get to federal highway because of the massive jam there.
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Agreed with kimzee, this development was never marketed as high end serviced apartment to begin with

Are you a frequent LRT rider based on your experience ? Have you taken LRT in the morning and observe how many riders are going in the direction of KL city center for work from Subang direction

The maintenance fee can always be raised during future MC meetings if it is deemed insufficient to support the oprations of the facilities and common area, as long as the MC does their job it won't be too much of an issue

Wall - Did you know most projects use brick wall at this kind of range ? and you have to be specific whether it is masonry wall or cavity masonry wall .. if you look at the floor plan of Panorama some units are also 'semi-detached' so sound insulation is not even a major issue here

Roof - Did you know for the last floor unit below rooftop, there is a requirement for heat insulation, hence the usage of metal deck roofing ? since the rooftop only caters to the M&E services access, why the need for excessive decorative feature there ?

Ceiling - have you identified which area is using board and paint first ?

Doors - If it is a fire-rated door, it is fire rated timber and has been fire tested in the lab whether 1/2 hour, 1 hour and so forth. U dont see metal fire rated doors out there for units' entrance have u ? Even for higher end condo they usually laminate another decorative layer just to make it look better

Wall Finish - don't really matter .. some condos dont event provide wall tiles for kitchen .. with the installation kitchen cabinet .. how does it matter whether it's ceramic or porcelain since mainly u're working on the counter top ?btw, could you also enlighten us whats the difference between ceramic and porcelain ?

Floor Finish - If not are you expecting homogenues tiles at this range ? although ceramic is a concern for kitchen as that area is more heavy duty

SMATV - nowadays theres a thing called SMART TV .. you just need internet .. people stream youtubes n netflix more nowadays ?

This condo seems to be at the mid level to me, if you dont mind care to share with us what condo are you living in, what price u paid n what kind of material u got from it ?

In terms of location, would you rather live next to another apartment immediately within stone's throw distance ? The future LRT3 connects to MRT Line 1 which station is at 1Utama, I dont see what the fuss is all about .. Paradigm mall is just a U-turn away .. and if these things (shopping mall, grocery & food stall) are concerns why do rich people like to live in Bukit Tunku where everything is isolated ?
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QUOTE(lester_wk @ Nov 8 2018, 09:35 PM)
Agreed with kimzee, this development was never marketed as high end serviced apartment to begin with

Are you a frequent LRT rider based on your experience ? Have you taken LRT in the morning and observe how many riders are going in the direction of KL city center for work from Subang direction

The maintenance fee can always be raised during future MC meetings if it is deemed insufficient to support the oprations of the facilities and common area, as long as the MC does their job it won't be too much of an issue

Wall - Did you know most projects use brick wall at this kind of range ? and you have to be specific whether it is masonry wall or cavity masonry wall .. if you look at the floor plan of Panorama some units are also 'semi-detached' so sound insulation is not even a major issue here

Roof - Did you know for the last floor unit below rooftop, there is a requirement for heat insulation, hence the usage of metal deck roofing ? since the rooftop only caters to the M&E services access, why the need for excessive decorative feature there ?

Ceiling - have you identified which area is using board and paint first ?

Doors - If it is a fire-rated door, it is fire rated timber and has been fire tested in the lab whether 1/2 hour, 1 hour and so forth. U dont see metal fire rated doors out there for units' entrance have u ? Even for higher end condo they usually laminate another decorative layer just to make it look better

Wall Finish - don't really matter .. some condos dont event provide wall tiles for kitchen .. with the installation kitchen cabinet .. how does it matter whether it's ceramic or porcelain since mainly u're working on the counter top ?btw, could you also enlighten us whats the difference between ceramic and porcelain ?

Floor Finish - If not are you expecting homogenues tiles at this range ? although ceramic is a concern for kitchen as that area is more heavy duty

SMATV - nowadays theres a thing called SMART TV .. you just need internet .. people stream youtubes n netflix more nowadays ?

This condo seems to be at the mid level to me, if you dont mind care to share with us what condo are you living in, what price u paid n what kind of material u got from it ?

In terms of location, would you rather live next to another apartment immediately within stone's throw distance ? The future LRT3 connects to MRT Line 1 which station is at 1Utama, I dont see what the fuss is all about .. Paradigm mall is just a U-turn away .. and if these things (shopping mall, grocery & food stall) are concerns why do rich people like to live in Bukit Tunku where everything is isolated ?
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So, what's your point? you agree that this is not a high end residence but your message somehow seem angry and a lot of what you've said isn't really arguing over my points but just sounded like pure frustration. It's like you can't deny what I've said but you just want to let your frustration out sweat.gif

Did you bought this property and somehow felt frustrated but wants to defend your purchase?

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So, what's your point? you agree that this is not a high end residence but your message somehow seem angry and a lot of what you've said isn't really arguing over my points but just sounded like pure frustration. It's like you can't deny what I've said but you just want to let your frustration out  sweat.gif

Did you bought this property and somehow felt frustrated but wants to defend your purchase?
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can u answer my questions first .. if not u seem like u r simply throwing out things without understanding .. hmm.gif
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can u answer my questions first .. if not u seem like u r simply throwing out things without understanding .. hmm.gif
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Your question basically directs to my personal life and yes I mind. My personal house has nothing to do with this project ... seriously wth?


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QUOTE(holypredator @ Nov 8 2018, 08:49 PM)
My point was the project is low-mid end did you read my post wrongly? Where did I mention it is on a high end range, in fact I am trying to argue that it is not.

Foreign ppl it is subjective and that is what I presume cause it is a short distance to LRT and that area seems to cater for a lot of bangla etc. with lots of shops around and low end commercial around that area. I also foresee many blacks or those foreign student would rent that place seeing that it is near the LRT and the project is affordable.

Case in point - See casa tiara, a similar level (price wise at least)... it is fill with foreigners from bangla to blacks to Cambodians (those security guards) because of LRT convenience and easy travel to shops and low end commercial area (where they work).

Why would I want to compare highway? I see what I see and the kelana road is one of the most jam pack roads around klang valley. Ara damansara people literally get stuck trying to get to federal highway because of the massive jam there.
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My friend mother staying in Shang Villa. So far the crowd there is mainly locals.

Comparing PJ area with Subang/Sunway nowadays I noticed Subang/Sunway side definitely more foreigners.

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i thought this Panorama is 7++psf, and I would assume even local Malaysians will find it hardly affordable to buy and stay but to suggest locals will buy and rent out to bangla is a bit funny rite?

maybe I am missing something.
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Nov 9 2018, 10:24 AM)
i thought this Panorama is 7++psf, and I would assume even local Malaysians will find it hardly affordable to buy and stay but to suggest locals will buy and rent out to bangla is a bit funny rite?

maybe I am missing something.
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Yes it is rm7++ psf. Ask about panorama residence to all the real estate agents. Sales is so good that they no longer selling it. Good or bad or middle to low end. To me the target is mid to high end. Design wise it is not like generic service apartment. Layout is consideres good. Yes they do taking advantage of the golf course view. It is a nice view. It is a breathtaking view. Plus point, 4 lifts to cater to only 8 units per floor to me it considered very good. 3 lift for occupants + 1 dedicated service lift i think the project is heavier towards high end. Like rich person doesnt have to act rich or called themselves rich to be considered rich by others. Same.like this property. Does not need to be considered high end or called this project high end. All the negative comments surely wouldnt hampered the sales. If not, the incredible numbers of take up is misleading. This is LLC first high rise project. Surely they want to prove themselves. I went to the site yesterday they have increased numbers of machineries at the site probably to speed the things up.
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QUOTE(holypredator @ Nov 8 2018, 08:49 PM)
My point was the project is low-mid end did you read my post wrongly? Where did I mention it is on a high end range, in fact I am trying to argue that it is not.

Foreign ppl it is subjective and that is what I presume cause it is a short distance to LRT and that area seems to cater for a lot of bangla etc. with lots of shops around and low end commercial around that area. I also foresee many blacks or those foreign student would rent that place seeing that it is near the LRT and the project is affordable.

Case in point - See casa tiara, a similar level (price wise at least)... it is fill with foreigners from bangla to blacks to Cambodians (those security guards) because of LRT convenience and easy travel to shops and low end commercial area (where they work).

Why would I want to compare highway? I see what I see and the kelana road is one of the most jam pack roads around klang valley. Ara damansara people literally get stuck trying to get to federal highway because of the massive jam there.
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my bad ........I misread your post. You never mentioned that it was high end project.

Furthermore we can just debate based on our personal observation on a particular project and no need to get personal from the point of view of buyer or non-buyer because as in the end. siapa makan chili dia yang rasa pedas.

BTW the other poster was right that the demograpics at shang villa not that many foreign ppl but will this change after panorama? time will tell. cheers.

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Case in point - See casa tiara, a similar level (price wise at least)... it is fill with foreigners from bangla to blacks to Cambodians (those security guards) because of LRT convenience and easy travel to shops and low end commercial area (where they work).

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I just checked out this prop you mentioned. I believe your comparison is faulty. You are not comparing apple to apple. The place where casa tiara is located has tons of low price and old apartments for rent and it is a frequent landing point for foreign workers due to the location host many food, industry and other business establishments. The commercial area surrounding it (within 1-3km is no problem for em foreigners) is walking distance and just too vibrant thus as mentioned earlier these are magnets for them. nothing to do with the BRT or LRT at all IMO.
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LRT3 @Stadium MBPJ would also be nearby right hmm.gif

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Title PT5197, HS(D) 315718, Section 40, Bdr Petaling Jaya
Syarat syarat nyata : Bangunan Perniagaan.
It is freehold with a restriction/consent imposed at the title.

Is this clear ur earth?
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commercial title but no visible commercial lots rclxub.gif i must be missing something here.or the land has been zoned as commercial land since before. owh yeah , that cafe before.hmm

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FREEHOLD but process macam leasehold and all the complications and delay come with it.

HDA has nothing to do with land title. as long as the building is for residential purposes, it will be covered under HDA. to be sure, ask developer what schedule is the SPA be.
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QUOTE(kimzee @ Nov 9 2018, 02:25 PM)
I just checked out this prop you mentioned. I believe your comparison is faulty. You are not comparing apple to apple. The place where casa tiara is located has tons of low price and old apartments for rent and it is a frequent landing point for foreign workers due to the location host many food, industry and other business establishments.  The commercial area surrounding it (within 1-3km is no problem for em foreigners) is walking distance and just too vibrant thus as mentioned earlier these are magnets for them. nothing to do with the BRT or LRT at all IMO.
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Yes it is rm7++ psf. Ask about panorama residence to all the real estate agents. Sales is so good that they no longer selling it. Good or bad or middle to low end. To me the target is mid to high end. Design wise it is not like generic service apartment. Layout is consideres good. Yes they do taking advantage of the golf course view. It is a nice view. It is a breathtaking view. Plus point, 4 lifts to cater to only 8 units per floor to me it considered very good. 3 lift for occupants + 1 dedicated service lift i think the project is heavier towards high end. Like rich person doesnt have to act rich or called themselves rich to be considered rich by others. Same.like this property. Does not need to be considered high end or called this project high end. All the negative comments surely wouldnt hampered the sales. If not, the incredible numbers of take up is misleading. This is LLC first high rise project. Surely they want to prove themselves. I went to the site yesterday they have increased numbers of machineries at the site probably to speed the things up.
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Hmm where have I heard such marketing strategy... oh yea... EVERY SINGLE project out there especially the ones involve property agents.

Each to their own, layout, view and everything is subjective and if you like it then it is a project for you.

But in terms of viewing the project in general, it is not high end in terms of pricing wise and also the materials/finishing used. If developers themselves are not claiming that the property is a luxury or premium residence, I don't think arguing that it is makes any sense. At best I would say it is "affordable luxury" low to mid end type of service apartment (bear in mind I say serviced apartment so low end does not mean flat or apartment level)

One thing that I want to point out or maybe you should know is that the Developer is actually Millenium Creation Sdn Bhd and not LLC themselves, they are a subsidiary of LLC. I'm not implying anything but there are past cases where public listed companies that don't have confidence with their project normally seed it out to a private limited subsidiary, which is a way to minimize any unwanted impact to the holding company. You can never see big names like Sime Darby, SP Setia, Gamuda etc. do this because they are confident and experienced in their work.

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Hmm.. I don’t understand. Glenmarie lrt is already fully operational. I don’t see an influx of foreigners?

And why would foreigners( assuming we r talking about those working minimum wages) opt for pano when Shang Villa which is much cheaper is literally just next door?

Kinda feels like lots of peeps are going out of their way to put pano down. *shrugs
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QUOTE(holypredator @ Nov 9 2018, 07:57 PM)
Hmm where have I heard such marketing strategy... oh yea... EVERY SINGLE project out there especially the ones involve property agents.

Each to their own, layout, view and everything is subjective and if you like it then it is a project for you.

But in terms of viewing the project in general, it is not high end in terms of pricing wise and also the materials/finishing used. If developers themselves are not claiming that the property is a luxury or premium residence, I don't think arguing that it is makes any sense. At best I would say it is "affordable luxury" low to mid end type of service apartment (bear in mind I say serviced apartment so low end does not mean flat or apartment level)

One thing that I want to point out or maybe you should know is that the Developer is actually Millenium Creation Sdn Bhd and not LLC themselves, they are a subsidiary of LLC. I'm not implying anything but there are past cases where public listed companies that don't have confidence with their project normally seed it out to a private limited subsidiary, which is a way to minimize any unwanted impact to the holding company. You can never see big names like Sime Darby, SP Setia, Gamuda etc. do this because they are confident and experienced in their work.
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again, you are throwing out things without verifying .. having a subsidiary company under the main branch is a VERY VERY VERY COMMON PRACTICE among property developers and other fields alike .. if you look at many GLCs they even have listen companies under listed companies ......

why ? because i work under one of the so-called big names u mentioned

I guess people r smart enough to judge whats true n whats not
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QUOTE(lester_wk @ Nov 10 2018, 05:36 PM)
again, you are throwing out things without verifying .. having a subsidiary company under the main branch is a VERY VERY VERY COMMON PRACTICE among property developers and other fields alike .. if you look at many GLCs they even have listen companies under listed companies ......

why ? because i work under one of the so-called big names u mentioned

I guess people r smart enough to judge whats true n whats not
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First of all, no it is NOT very very very common, please give tons of your example if it is sooooo common.

2nd, I said I am not even implying.. can you even understand english.... CAN YOU?? it just sounds like you are butthurt real bad... I am not throwing out things without verifying because I am not not even implying that this project and what I said comes together because it is a bold statement but just want to highlight that point thats all.


Time will tell if your purchase is worth it, even the best looking property will end up shit when time comes or the unexpectedly bad property will turn out great. so don't get your butt so hurt.

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Nov 10 2018, 05:44 PM)
First of all, no it is NOT very very very common, please give tons of your example if it is sooooo common.

2nd, I said I am not even implying..  can you even understand english.... CAN YOU?? it just sounds like you are butthurt real bad... I am not throwing out things without verifying because I am not not even implying that this project and what I said comes together because it is a bold statement but just want to highlight that point thats all.
Time will tell if your purchase is worth it, even the best looking property will end up shit when time comes or the unexpectedly bad property will turn out great. so don't get your butt so hurt.
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one day .. when u r free instead of commenting here always .. take a drive, go look at any big developer's project signboard .. see whether the company name is the same ......

but since u r already the expert .. i dont hv to elaborate much ..

i guess to each their own

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QUOTE(lester_wk @ Nov 10 2018, 05:52 PM)
one day .. when u r free instead of commenting here always .. take a drive, go look at any big developer's project signboard .. see whether the company name is the same ......

but since u r already the expert .. i dont hv to elaborate much ..

i guess to each their own

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yea... so much for your argument... just get out..

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QUOTE(LowProfile8788 @ Nov 9 2018, 11:01 PM)
Hmm.. I don’t understand.  Glenmarie lrt is already fully operational. I don’t see an influx of foreigners?

And why would foreigners( assuming we r talking about those working minimum wages) opt for pano when Shang Villa which is much cheaper is literally just next door?

Kinda feels like lots of peeps are going out of their way to put pano down. *shrugs
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I guess you don't take the LRT often.

With regards to shang villa, supply and demand bro. Not saying they will take pano instead of shang villa, it's just that since it is affordable, if there is demand.... there is possibility. See casa tiara (similar range)... there are a few cheaper options (e-tiara etc.) nearby why are there still so many black students and foreign worker?

As mentioned countless time, this is subjective so stop quoting like everyone here is trying to get on your nerves flex.gif
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QUOTE(lester_wk @ Nov 10 2018, 05:52 PM)
one day .. when u r free instead of commenting here always .. take a drive, go look at any big developer's project signboard .. see whether the company name is the same ......

but since u r already the expert .. i dont hv to elaborate much ..

i guess to each their own

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watlioa leh….you got the patience to debate with all the body parts language throwing at you.

the reason why developer will setup a separate company is because after the project is completely finished, they can proceed to close the company for good bcos essentially project development is a ONE OFF exercise.
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Nov 11 2018, 01:01 AM)
watlioa leh….you got the patience to debate with all the body parts language throwing at you.

the reason why developer will setup a separate company is because after the project is completely finished, they can proceed to close the company for good bcos essentially project development is a ONE OFF exercise.
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One more thing they don't use their own main company to do development is to protect themselves in the event there is problem with the project and they get sued. Looks like there are too many tin kosong hanginround here.
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Yah define tin kosong = talk without substance
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QUOTE(kimzee @ Nov 11 2018, 06:03 AM)
One more thing they don't use their own main company to do development is to protect themselves in the event there is problem with the project and they get sued. Looks like there are too many tin kosong hanginround here.
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yes one of the reasons too but these days directors are held responsible too, therefore by setting up a seperate company can only protect the reputation of holding company so far. Eventually the main developers name will be mentioned in media, not only the company that handle the project.

eg. mahsing icon city. Nobody knows and care what is the actual developing company, but ultimately the parent company name is responsible.

and i dont think its the intention of holding company to hide behind the developing company bcos the parents company name is used throughout the marketing and promotion.

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The major risks with Panorama is the delivery of the facilities and concept.

Othe than that it is a very good place for own stay
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The major risks with Panorama is the delivery of the facilities and concept.

Othe than that it is a very good place for own stay
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Not good for investment?
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Hello just wanna get some advise on the loan rates. After filtering out the best rates from the banks, I have shortlisted these 3 banks. Which one will be the best?

Maybank : 4.45%, lock in period 4 years, every time take in or take out money has to spend RM25. Can put up to left 1% to serve the loan.

Public Bank: 4.35 first year, second year onwards 4.45. Lock in 3 years. Every time in out money charges RM50. Can put up to 3 years left for installment.

RHB: 4.45%. Lock in 3 years. Free of charge for in out money transaction. Can put up to remaining RM1K left to serve the loan.

Very hard to choose eh.

Public Bank agent told me that ppl usually pick PB because their rates won’t fluctuate that much compared to other banks. Is it true?
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QUOTE(zzstormriderzz @ Nov 12 2018, 03:57 PM)
Hello just wanna get some advise on the loan rates. After filtering out the best rates from the banks, I have shortlisted these 3 banks. Which one will be the best?

Maybank : 4.45%, lock in period 4 years, every time take in or take out money has to spend RM25. Can put up to left 1% to serve the loan.

Public Bank: 4.35 first year, second year onwards 4.45. Lock in 3 years. Every time in out money charges RM50. Can put up to 3 years left for installment.

RHB: 4.45%. Lock in 3 years. Free of charge for in out money transaction. Can put up to remaining RM1K left to serve the loan.

Very hard to choose eh.

Public Bank agent told me that ppl usually pick PB because their rates won’t fluctuate that much compared to other banks. Is it true?
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Whoa...u really showing off here....got 3 banks offered you loan still headache meh? Haha

Seriously i wont take anyone bcos of its rate. I will choose one bank that work well w my existing portfolio.

I take PB Bcos pb is the hardest to get approved. Mayban and rhb senang nak get approval.
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QUOTE(zzstormriderzz @ Nov 12 2018, 03:57 PM)
Hello just wanna get some advise on the loan rates. After filtering out the best rates from the banks, I have shortlisted these 3 banks. Which one will be the best?

Maybank : 4.45%, lock in period 4 years, every time take in or take out money has to spend RM25. Can put up to left 1% to serve the loan.

Public Bank: 4.35 first year, second year onwards 4.45. Lock in 3 years. Every time in out money charges RM50. Can put up to 3 years left for installment.

RHB: 4.45%. Lock in 3 years. Free of charge for in out money transaction. Can put up to remaining RM1K left to serve the loan.

Very hard to choose eh.

Public Bank agent told me that ppl usually pick PB because their rates won’t fluctuate that much compared to other banks. Is it true?
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rhb.. the flexibility for in out cash without any fees..


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QUOTE(lester_wk @ Nov 10 2018, 05:36 PM)
again, you are throwing out things without verifying .. having a subsidiary company under the main branch is a VERY VERY VERY COMMON PRACTICE among property developers and other fields alike .. if you look at many GLCs they even have listen companies under listed companies ......

why ? because i work under one of the so-called big names u mentioned

I guess people r smart enough to judge whats true n whats not
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Nov 11 2018, 01:01 AM)
watlioa leh….you got the patience to debate with all the body parts language throwing at you.

the reason why developer will setup a separate company is because after the project is completely finished, they can proceed to close the company for good bcos essentially project development is a ONE OFF exercise.
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One more thing they don't use their own main company to do development is to protect themselves in the event there is problem with the project and they get sued. Looks like there are too many tin kosong hanginround here.
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@lester_wk haha tin kosong lester.

It's a common practice for those not so strong public listed companies like Loh & Loh to create subsidiaries to limit their liability. That is the reason why they call it "private limited" or if you don't understand what PLC means, it is called Sdn Bhd in Malaysia "Sendirian" Berhad.

You can never see big names developer like SP Setia or Sime Darby property using an unknown subsidiary to develop their project because they are well known, experienced and their brand itself is highly marketable. Loh and Loh is not well known in high rise property development, hence there is no reason to use the holding company name to be at stake. If anything fails, just close down their PLC and move on.

Basic business management also don't know, did you even study Kemahiran Hidup during secondary school or did you slept in class huh LESTER BOY...?


P/S : Big names do use subsidiaries sometimes but mostly because the subsidiary is specialised and actually more reputable in certain area. It's like Toyota using Lexus for its luxury line but in Loh & Loh case, it doesn't seem that way since they are using a totally nameless and experience-less subsidiary which looks more like a meat shield than what was said earlier.

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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Nov 12 2018, 10:24 PM)
@lester_wk haha tin kosong lester.

It's a common practice for those not so strong public listed companies like Loh & Loh to create subsidiaries to limit their liability. That is the reason why they call it "private limited" or if you don't understand what PLC means, it is called Sdn Bhd in Malaysia "Sendirian" Berhad.

You can never see big names developer like SP Setia or Sime Darby property using an unknown subsidiary to develop their project because they are well known, experienced and their brand itself is highly marketable. Loh and Loh is not well known in high rise property development, hence there is no reason to use the holding company name to be at stake. If anything fails, just close down their PLC and move on.

Basic business management also don't know, did you even study Kemahiran Hidup during secondary school or did you slept in class huh LESTER BOY...?
P/S : Big names do use subsidiaries sometimes but mostly because the subsidiary is specialised and actually more reputable in certain area. It's like Toyota using Lexus for its luxury line but in Loh & Loh case, it doesn't seem that way since they are using a totally nameless and experience-less subsidiary which looks more like a meat shield than what was said earlier.
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i bought properties from SP setia (Setia and EcoPark), Tan&Tan, UOA, MahSing, Eco world and NONE of them ( i repeat, NONE) the spa is signed between the holding company and myself.

i cant vouch for other major developers like SIME, Sunwei, UEM and Tropicana.

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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Nov 12 2018, 10:24 PM)
@lester_wk haha tin kosong lester.

It's a common practice for those not so strong public listed companies like Loh & Loh to create subsidiaries to limit their liability. That is the reason why they call it "private limited" or if you don't understand what PLC means, it is called Sdn Bhd in Malaysia "Sendirian" Berhad.

You can never see big names developer like SP Setia or Sime Darby property using an unknown subsidiary to develop their project because they are well known, experienced and their brand itself is highly marketable. Loh and Loh is not well known in high rise property development, hence there is no reason to use the holding company name to be at stake. If anything fails, just close down their PLC and move on.

Basic business management also don't know, did you even study Kemahiran Hidup during secondary school or did you slept in class huh LESTER BOY...?
P/S : Big names do use subsidiaries sometimes but mostly because the subsidiary is specialised and actually more reputable in certain area. It's like Toyota using Lexus for its luxury line but in Loh & Loh case, it doesn't seem that way since they are using a totally nameless and experience-less subsidiary which looks more like a meat shield than what was said earlier.
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Nov 13 2018, 12:55 PM)
Jason,

i bought properties from SP setia (Setia and EcoPark), Tan&Tan, UOA, MahSing, Eco world and NONE of them ( i repeat, NONE) the spa is signed between the holding company and myself.

i cant vouch for other major developers like SIME, Sunwei, UEM and Tropicana.
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in this case... i agreed with Bean gor and the Lester boy... lol.... so far i seen all the projects under big developers you mentioned... none of them use the holding company as the developer company for their projects.... and i think i have met and dealth with alot more developers' projects than you do... even the golden age old See Hoy Chan also using different subsidiaries to be 'meat shield' for each of their development projects....
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roughly when is stage 2(a)?
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I guess it should be after CNY
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actually I quite like the layout plan for pana. clever

6 out of 8 are corner units. only 2 units are intermediate.

very short walking distance from/to lift from every unit.

of course the set back is no internal door to eliminate the lift 'ding ding' sound....
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would like to get a unit here. seems like the view and location are quite nice
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Any SA here for this property can pm me? Got no time to go to the sales gallery.
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I am curious, some people said the developer will build "covered walkway to the lrt station" what does that means? extending the cover shelter from kelana business center all the way to Panorama?

Also, what is the fence up thing with danger sign next to panorama? Is it a sewerage?
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left side or right side? Jason, you plan to buy a unit here?
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Nop, not my kind of project.
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Oohhh. which project you are planning to get?

I am thinking to get either serene, panorama or arcuz. any advice?

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Oohhh. which project you are planning to get?

I am thinking to get either serene, panorama or arcuz. any advice?
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I might get a project in seputeh or bangsar south because my office is in KL although I travel to Subang/USJ/Ara Damansara quite often. I see that you are a kelana kind of guy so here is my personal view on kelana.

Isn't Arcuz the one yet to be launched?

Can't really judge until you live in it but for the price you are paying, Panorama would seems to be a better choice [All these excludes workmanship factor etc.].

I personally do not like the idea of a stagnant lake nearby. It is cleaned now by the developer but no one is going to clean it after few years down the road. Just look at subang lake and taman jaya lake. I'm not sure how much discount Serene is giving but based on SPA, it is too overly priced for a "leasehold" project. There are hardly any amenities nearby and the area is pretty jam during after working hours.

Panorama isn't much better either but at least it is affordable [especially if you don't fancy those expensive finishing]. Less than 200 meter is the busiest street in that area leading up to federal highway. There is a stadium nearby and if they hold any events there, it will be noisy and jam as it passes by the road in front of panorama. It lacks amenities within walking distance and there is this fenced up danger sign thingy which I think it is a sewerage right next to Panorama, not sure what it is and if there is any effect of it but it is ugly and dirty though. Also, I would envisage a lot of blacks & middle eastern would rent Panorama since the Lincoln College (low cost private college) is there. A lot of blacks already living in shang villa (I got this info from googling) so I would expect a surge of these people to rent Panorama as well since it is affordable as well.

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QUOTE(hamsteria @ Jan 6 2019, 10:47 AM)
Oohhh. which project you are planning to get?

I am thinking to get either serene, panorama or arcuz. any advice?
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How abt highpark grand soho and glomac boulevard?

Forget abt serene. If you can afford serene you wont even need to consider arcuze and pano.

Arcuz ranks least in my list. Literally next to nkve and smacked btw narrow road.

Personally i prefer subang jaya....lot 15 or subsale isola.
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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Jan 6 2019, 11:21 AM)
I might get a project in seputeh or bangsar south because my office is in KL although I travel to Subang/USJ/Ara Damansara quite often. I see that you are a kelana kind of guy so here is my personal view on kelana.

Isn't Arcuz the one yet to be launched?

Can't really judge until you live in it but for the price you are paying, Panorama would seems to be a better choice [All these excludes workmanship factor etc.].

I personally do not like the idea of a stagnant lake nearby. It is cleaned now by the developer but no one is going to clean it after few years down the road. Just look at subang lake and taman jaya lake. I'm not sure how much discount Serene is giving but based on SPA, it is too overly priced for a "leasehold" project. There are hardly any amenities nearby and the area is pretty jam during after working hours.

Panorama isn't much better either but at least it is affordable [especially if you don't fancy those expensive finishing]. Less than 200 meter is the busiest street in that area leading up to federal highway. There is a stadium nearby and if they hold any events there, it will be noisy and jam as it passes by the road in front of panorama. It lacks amenities within walking distance and there is this fenced up danger sign thingy which I think it is a sewerage right next to Panorama, not sure what it is and if there is any effect of it but it is ugly and dirty though. Also, I would envisage a lot of blacks & middle eastern would rent Panorama since the Lincoln College (low cost private college) is there. A lot of blacks already living in shang villa (I got this info from googling) so I would expect a surge of these people to rent Panorama as well since it is affordable as well.
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Have u checkout avara seputeh? not really a kelana guy... hahaa. just prefer near pj damansara area.

yea Arcuz going to launch soon. have early bird package now.

Actually Panorama seems really good except the developer not so well known and like u said mayb neighbour might be black.

As for serene, actually they do provide a pretty good rebate now. so after rebate, the price is just slightly higher psf wise compare to arcuz and panorama. And as for the stagnant lake, i think it will still maintain for at least 10 years + coz there will be a lot of future development for that big piece of land.







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How abt highpark grand soho and glomac boulevard?

Forget abt serene. If you can afford serene you wont even need to consider arcuze and pano.

Arcuz ranks least in my list. Literally next to nkve and smacked btw narrow road.

Personally i prefer subang jaya....lot 15 or subsale isola.
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Still haven't checkout highpark and glomac. But just checked out that serene provide gud rebate now that the price is only slightly higher compare to arcuz and panorama.

Still dilemma which one to go for.. but will keep on researching

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Have u checkout avara seputeh? not really a kelana guy... hahaa. just prefer near pj damansara area.

yea Arcuz going to launch soon. have early bird package now.

Actually Panorama seems really good except the developer not so well known and like u said mayb neighbour might be black.

As for serene, actually they do provide a pretty good rebate now. so after rebate, the price is just slightly higher psf wise compare to arcuz and panorama. And as for the stagnant lake, i think it will still maintain for at least 10 years + coz there will be a lot of future development for that big piece of land.
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I've been eyeing on Avara for sometime. It's quite nice given the price for the location PLUS they throw in a lot of finishing. On top of that, it is one of those 5% bumi discount project hence if you are a non bumi, this is the one you may want to consider.

However, there is quite a few downside for this project too.

1) Not very familiar with this developer. Ba Sheng Sdn Bhd, a private limited company running the show, well it doesn't give buyers much confidence.
2) Location wise while it is near mid valley and KL, you can't actually walk to any of the amenities. If drive, you have to turn a big U-turn down the road and that area is jam as hell. Also, there is no amenities within walking distance and the nearest train station is the seputeh KTM, which is good and bad with the good being it is quite a short distance and the bad is well, it is a KTM not LRT.
3) I don't quite like the facilities Avara provides. They gave quite a few unique stuff like shuttle to mid valley but all these comes at a very high cost and the proposed RM0.50psf is a bit too high for my taste.
4) 1 Parking lot for property under 1k sqf. The dang 1 parking lot...
5) In front of the property is a busy street and the surrounding appeal is not clean or appealing.



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I've been eyeing on Avara for sometime. It's quite nice given the price for the location PLUS they throw in a lot of finishing. On top of that, it is one of those 5% bumi discount project hence if you are a non bumi, this is the one you may want to consider.

However, there is quite a few downside for this project too.

1) Not very familiar with this developer. Ba Sheng Sdn Bhd, a private limited company running the show, well it doesn't give buyers much confidence.
2) Location wise while it is near mid valley and KL, you can't actually walk to any of the amenities. If drive, you have to turn a big U-turn down the road and that area is jam as hell. Also, there is no amenities within walking distance and the nearest train station is the seputeh KTM, which is good and bad with the good being it is quite a short distance and the bad is well, it is a KTM not LRT.
3) I don't quite like the facilities Avara provides. They gave quite a few unique stuff like shuttle to mid valley but all these comes at a very high cost and the proposed RM0.50psf is a bit too high for my taste.
4) 1 Parking lot for property under 1k sqf. The dang 1 parking lot...
5) In front of the property is a busy street and the surrounding appeal is not clean or appealing.
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Yes true but they claim that the developer will ensure the workmanship and finishing as this will be their maiden project. Furthermore, the HQ of Ba Sheng will be at the same building as well. So need to take some risk though.

Further the road, there will be one mixed development called Millerz Square by Exsim. The price and facilities not bad also

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Yes true but they claim that the developer will ensure the workmanship and finishing as this will be their maiden project. Furthermore, the HQ of Ba Sheng will be at the same building as well. So need to take some risk though.

Further the road, there will be one mixed development called Millerz Square by Exsim. The price and facilities not bad also
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this is their maiden project in Malaysia.
they did have few projects in papua new guinea over past 15 years. honestly if you can build an office tower or resi units in papua new guinea, Malaysia is nothing.
am talking about challenges faced in 3rd world and undeveloped countries.

am not suggesting that this Avara is the best buy. You guys must also understand, not all developers are given the equal opportunities to be developers in Malaysia.
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can someone kind enuf to list down the gross prices for all the projects mentioned here????
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I personally prefer Lot 15 even thought it wasn't mention here at all.....

1. SJCC. easy connected to all highways.
2. walking distance to lrt//ktm
3. walking distance to private hospital/sime ramsey
4. walkable to shopping malls
5. easy drive to nearby sport facilities incl driving range
6. the potential when sjcc commercial is completed and glenmarie business park opposite.
7. walking distance to many many restaurants and eateries, and short drive to many more.

literally none of the above properties you guys mentioned here even have half of what lot15 got to offer.

blardi TNB station spoilt it all.
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I personally prefer Lot 15 even thought it wasn't mention here at all.....

1. SJCC. easy connected to all highways.
2. walking distance to lrt//ktm
3. walking distance to private hospital/sime ramsey
4. walkable to shopping malls
5. easy drive to nearby sport facilities incl driving range
6. the potential when sjcc commercial is completed and glenmarie business park opposite.
7. walking distance to many many restaurants and eateries, and short drive to many more.

literally none of the above properties you guys mentioned here even have half of what lot15 got to offer.

blardi TNB station spoilt it all.
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In order to choose lot15 you need to close both of your eyes from seeing the tnb hahahaha
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In order to choose lot15 you need to close both of your eyes from seeing the tnb hahahaha
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I can close both eyes no problem, but its just a bit difficult to enter or exit carpark nia……

actually the main entrance to building and carpark podium is where ah? by which road?
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I can close both eyes no problem, but its just a bit difficult to enter or exit carpark nia……

actually the main entrance to building and carpark podium is where ah? by which road?
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entrance n exit is on the not so busy road. on the lrt side one. The front of lot15 is the one facing glenmarie (tower A). facing subang jaya is the backside and for maintenance entrance only.
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I personally prefer Lot 15 even thought it wasn't mention here at all.....

1. SJCC. easy connected to all highways.
- All the projects have good connectivity to LDP, Federal Highway and Subang Airport Road & NKVE, only Arcuz have weird accessibility
2. walking distance to lrt//ktm
- Pano (Glenmarie station - 300m), Arcuz (ST06 LRT3 - <100m), Highpark (ST06 LRT3 - 1km)
3. walking distance to private hospital/sime ramsey
- Arcuz (KJMC - 500m), Highpark (1km - KJMC)
4. walkable to shopping malls
- Highpark (Giant - 50m, Paradigm - 600m), Arcuz (Paradigm - 600m)
5. easy drive to nearby sport facilities incl driving range
- all within vicinity of PJ Stadium, municipal pool, park & Subang golf course)
6. the potential when sjcc commercial is completed and glenmarie business park opposite.
7. walking distance to many many restaurants and eateries, and short drive to many more.
- Highpark (walking distance to Dataran Glomac)

literally none of the above properties you guys mentioned here even have half of what lot15 got to offer.

blardi TNB station spoilt it all.
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I personally prefer Lot 15 even thought it wasn't mention here at all.....

1. SJCC. easy connected to all highways.
- All the projects have good connectivity to LDP, Federal Highway and Subang Airport Road & NKVE, only Arcuz have weird accessibility
2. walking distance to lrt//ktm
- Pano (Glenmarie station - 300m), Arcuz (ST06 LRT3 - <100m), Highpark (ST06 LRT3 - 1km)
3. walking distance to private hospital/sime ramsey
- Arcuz (KJMC - 500m), Highpark (1km - KJMC)
4. walkable to shopping malls
- Highpark (Giant - 50m, Paradigm - 600m), Arcuz (Paradigm - 600m)
5. easy drive to nearby sport facilities incl driving range
- all within vicinity of PJ Stadium, municipal pool, park & Subang golf course)
6. the potential when sjcc commercial is completed and glenmarie business park opposite.
7. walking distance to many many restaurants and eateries, and short drive to many more.
- Highpark (walking distance to Dataran Glomac)

literally none of the above properties you guys mentioned here even have half of what lot15 got to offer.

blardi TNB station spoilt it all.
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Arcuz and highpark sounds good, wonder if anyone can send me their brochure brows.gif

Will do an in-depth research on it to see if it is worthy biggrin.gif


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In order to choose lot15 you need to close both of your eyes from seeing the tnb hahahaha
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Have you decided between Panorama and Lot 15?


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Have you decided between Panorama and Lot 15?
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I look into panorama on behalf of someone else hahaha
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Arcuz and highpark sounds good, wonder if anyone can send me their brochure  brows.gif

Will do an in-depth research on it to see if it is worthy biggrin.gif
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Go visit the show galleries bro, brochures can only tell you this much.
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1km is not an easy walk to everywhere on daily basis and without dedicated cover walkway.

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1km is not an easy walk to everywhere on daily basis and without dedicated cover walkway.
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You are right, but I still consider it as within walking distance nonetheless. At any rate I don't think anyone would walk to a medical centre, lol. Some of the developments provide shuttle bus to LRT stations (I know Highpark does), so it still have the connectivity.
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You are right, but I still consider it as within walking distance nonetheless. At any rate I don't think anyone would walk to a medical centre, lol. Some of the developments provide shuttle bus to LRT stations (I know Highpark does), so it still have the connectivity.
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am not referring to ppl that require ICU treatment to live near medical center so that in the event of ememrgency they can stroll to the center.
i actually referred to ppl that require constant medical check up. you are at your age now that dont need medical check up too often so that you dont realise how important this factor is.

i still dont know how so called 'free shutter bus service' work. i know the frequency is more regualr during peak hours, maybe every 15mins??? the driver just driving two and forth up and return like a clock work for 2 hrs in the morning and late afternoon? the what happens in between?

lets say i want to go lrt station at 11,30am? how long should i be waiting for LRT shuttle bus service? or i got back from LRT at 2.30pm? do i have to wait for sshuttle bus? how long will it take?

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I don't know what usually going on in kelana jaya stadium, but more often or not, the stadium is lit bright at night very often.....I certainly wont want to get the stadium facing units, especially on the lower floor....kinda annoying.
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am not referring to ppl that require ICU treatment to live near medical center so that in the event of ememrgency they can stroll to the center.
i actually referred to ppl that require constant medical check up. you are at your age now that dont need medical check up too often so that you dont realise how important this factor is.

i still dont know how so called 'free shutter bus service' work. i know the frequency is more regualr during peak hours, maybe every 15mins??? the driver just driving two and forth up and return like a clock work for 2 hrs in the morning and late afternoon? the what happens in between?

lets say i want to go lrt station at 11,30am? how long should i be waiting for LRT shuttle bus service? or i got back from LRT at 2.30pm? do i have to wait for sshuttle bus? how long will it take?
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To be honest I have no idea how the shuttle will work. It might be on a fixed schedule. There is also gonna be a Residents Management app and concierge service, so maybe call for service type? Info I heard is the route will stop at Paradigm and KJ station. Most probably it will be a van instead of bus.
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To be honest I have no idea how the shuttle will work. It might be on a fixed schedule. There is also gonna be a Residents Management app and concierge service, so maybe call for service type? Info I heard is the route will stop at Paradigm and KJ station. Most probably it will be a van instead of bus.
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It most likely will be 10 seater van.
Bus needs special driver licence...not easy to recruit the right personnel

Also depends on what gamuda gave. I believe the van is given free from gamuda.....or rm1 sold to jmb
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It most likely will be 10 seater van.
Bus needs special driver licence...not easy to recruit the right personnel

Also depends on what gamuda gave. I believe the van is given free from gamuda.....or rm1 sold to jmb
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WTF? looks like it is surrounded by high rise buildings except for the side facing the stadium.

I wonder what kind of view can you get when it is blocked by other buildings.
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To be honest I have no idea how the shuttle will work. It might be on a fixed schedule. There is also gonna be a Residents Management app and concierge service, so maybe call for service type? Info I heard is the route will stop at Paradigm and KJ station. Most probably it will be a van instead of bus.
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To me, when I see that the project comes with shuttle service I terus will say "HELL NO"

The maintenance fee would be off the ROOF.

Avara seputeh for example, charges RM0.5psf (i think it might be before sinking fund).

They have shuttle service to mid valley but when I think about it, it might not be as convenient as it sounds.

1) Will they shuttle people back? I believe they will only provide 1 van unless they have 2 van with 1 station at mid valley and the other station at the residence so they will go back and forth. If only 1, I think they might need an app or call service.

2) It's not like I always go mid valley sweat.gif and what if I stay up late to watch movie, will the shuttle service be operating 24/7

Depending on the efficiency, if it is efficient like you can expect a shuttle every 5 mins, it would be easy for you to commute to kelana jaya station for work and from work everyday.

Otherwise, it would be expensive to bear every month especially if you don't use the service and judging by Malaysians attitude, I believe they will use the shit out of it to get the money's worth so if it is not efficient then tak mau la.
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WTF? looks like it is surrounded by high rise buildings except for the side facing the stadium.

I wonder what kind of view can you get when it is blocked by other buildings.
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I saw the site today from the LRT as usual lah hahaha. it is beside the CGC building. Given that this panorama is 36 floors high. If the residence starts at higher floor i think not really a problem lah. The surrounding not so high. If u see from google street, it is not so close to the surrounding building except the cgc. Another concern is going in n out of this residence.
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I saw the site today from the LRT as usual lah hahaha. it is beside the CGC building. Given that this panorama is 36 floors high. If the residence starts at higher floor i think not really a problem lah. The surrounding not so high. If u see from google street, it is not so close to the surrounding building except the cgc. Another concern is going in n out of this residence.
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So, you planning to get one now? brows.gif

Seriously though, it is a no brainer, if you have bumi discount then go for Panorama if not then Lot 15

If I have bumi discount I would choose Panomara over Lot 15 anytime anyday, 10% bumi discount man!

For the current price you are paying, you can get 1k+sqf units with 60-80k left in your pocket! Even if Panomara is crap, with 60-80k, you can furnish it till it nice nice.

It's like a Honda Accord vs a Honda City with a BMW engine, hack with that extra money, you can literally get yourself a real honda city + a 1k sqf unit.

For non-bumi of course go for Lot 15 la, it's an overall much better project but since no 10% bumi discount might as well pay a bit more to get a premium stay.

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So, you planning to get one now?  brows.gif

Seriously though, it is a no brainer, if you have bumi discount then go for Panorama if not then Lot 15

If I have bumi discount I would choose Panomara over Lot 15 anytime anyday, 10% bumi discount man!

For the current price you are paying, you can get 1k+sqf units with 60-80k left in your pocket! Even if Panomara is crap, with 60-80k, you can furnish it till it nice nice.

It's like a Honda Accord vs a Honda City with a BMW engine, hack with that extra money, you can literally get yourself a real honda city + a 1k sqf unit.

For non-bumi of course go for Lot 15 la, it's an overall much better project but since no 10% bumi discount might as well pay a bit more to get a premium stay.
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no lah. My decision is firm hahaha. Plus no SA contacted me yet. i already register on their website.
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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Jan 8 2019, 10:07 PM)
So, you planning to get one now?  brows.gif

Seriously though, it is a no brainer, if you have bumi discount then go for Panorama if not then Lot 15

If I have bumi discount I would choose Panomara over Lot 15 anytime anyday, 10% bumi discount man!

For the current price you are paying, you can get 1k+sqf units with 60-80k left in your pocket! Even if Panomara is crap, with 60-80k, you can furnish it till it nice nice.

It's like a Honda Accord vs a Honda City with a BMW engine, hack with that extra money, you can literally get yourself a real honda city + a 1k sqf unit.

For non-bumi of course go for Lot 15 la, it's an overall much better project but since no 10% bumi discount might as well pay a bit more to get a premium stay.
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You keep coming here saying this project is inferior la, crap la, cannot compare with some other whatnot high class project. Very insulting bloody mouth. Something wrong with your brain ah? All projects have their own price point and market segment they target. Why you talk like you are the one with all the money and "keras" ah? Have some respect for other ppl and their purchase la.

BTW the shuttle service has nothing to do with Panorama.
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You keep coming here saying this project is  inferior la, crap la, cannot compare with some other whatnot high class project. Very insulting bloody mouth. Something wrong with your brain ah? All projects have their own price point and market segment they target. Why you talk like you are the one  with  all the money and "keras" ah? Have some respect for other ppl and their purchase la.

BTW the shuttle service has nothing to do with Panorama.
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Hey man, I din't say it is all that bad ok? If not I won't recommend people for this project.

It's just that other projects within close distance are leaps and bounds better than panorama. But panomara gives high bumi discount though which is nice for bumi buyers. I would get Panorama if I'm a bumi if I had to stay in that area but otherwise, it's not worth getting unless I am seriously tight on budget.

I've never said the shuttle service has any relation to Panorama also, it's just so happen someone is talking about it, don't perasan lo.

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Is okay. Everyone has their own preferences. From my point of view, Panorama is actually a good project except the developer not so renowned and potential foreign student will be staying there because Lincoln college is next to it.
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Is okay. Everyone has their own preferences. From my point of view, Panorama is actually a good project except the developer not so renowned and potential foreign student will be staying there because Lincoln college is next to it.
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It's actually not a question of which project is good or bad. Every project sure has its strong and weak point. The point i am trying to make is ppl when discussing on a public forum try to use some decorum la.

For Example if you drive a Porsche or Rolls Royce dun la go talk to ppl driving a proton saying thier car is inferior product or crap. This is what this Jason guy doing. It shows very bad manners.

This Panorama is not even built yet how can he know it is a crap project? Just because it is pitched at the price point of 600-700psf doesn't mean it is any more inferior or crap than the other projects priced at 1000+psf. It could be very well those projects priced at 1k+ psf the developers are making tremendous margin from the purchasers (as they managed to capture the emotional button of their intended market) It could very well turn out later that their cost of building may be the same or even lower than that of the 600psf similar projects and their end product have more defects.



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QUOTE(hamsteria @ Jan 9 2019, 01:43 AM)
Is okay. Everyone has their own preferences. From my point of view, Panorama is actually a good project except the developer not so renowned and potential foreign student will be staying there because Lincoln college is next to it.
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What makes you think foreign students will stay at pano? is there no cheaper accommodation nearby like shang villa and others? do you think students would like to stay exactly next door to where they are studying?

why nobody talks about those hotx3 air stewardess and young pilots that work in skypark that might be renting there?

actually I prefer nova saujana for subsales…...if die die must stay in this area.

at least for pano, you can escape the gridlock of jamx3 from old subang airport road towards kl/klang at peak hours.

Loh&LOh I most worried about their major owners and shareholders. rumours had it it was once owned by jho low [by name only I guess] and was supposed to be one of the assets to exchange with china under jibby/china deal. very political vested company.
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It's actually not a question of which project is good or bad. Every project sure has its strong and weak point. The point i am trying to make is ppl when discussing on a public forum try to use some decorum la.

For Example if you drive a Porsche or Rolls Royce dun la go talk to ppl driving a proton saying thier car is inferior product or crap. This is what this Jason guy doing. It shows very bad manners.

This Panorama is not even built yet how can he know it is a crap project? Just because it is pitched at the price point of 600-700psf doesn't mean it is any more inferior or crap than the other projects priced at 1000+psf. It could be very well those projects priced at 1k+ psf the developers are making tremendous margin from the purchasers (as they managed to capture the emotional button of their intended market) It could very well turn out later that their cost of building may be the same or even lower than that of the 600psf similar projects and their end product have more defects.
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The materials panorama used is the same as those of low-mid end condos, don't expect so much.

The reason it is crap is because the project location itself is not good. You are surrounded by offices, old condos and cheap colleges. A busy road leading to federal is less than 200 meters and a stadium is within close proximity. Property analyst can easily tell you why it is not suitable for living.

The strong point of Panorama is the pricing and LRT. The weak point is everything else.




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The materials panorama used is the same as those of low-mid end condos, don't expect so much.

The reason it is crap is because the project location itself is not good. You are surrounded by offices, old condos and cheap colleges. A busy road leading to federal is less than 200 meters and a stadium is within close proximity. Property analyst can easily tell you why it is not suitable for living.

The strong point of Panorama is the pricing and LRT. The weak point is everything else.
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After repeated delays on the launching, and also the economic gloom ahead....

I don't dare to take the risk of project getting abandoned....

If you look at those projects with slow progress like the duo usj, ttdi gateway shah alam, the pano jalan ipoh...forget about empire and selayang star city. Those are not small developers you know brows.gif
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QUOTE(KimiLau @ Jan 9 2019, 10:20 PM)
After repeated delays on the launching,  and also the economic gloom ahead....

I don't dare to take the risk of project getting abandoned....

If you look at those projects with slow progress like the duo usj, ttdi gateway shah alam, the pano jalan ipoh...forget about empire and selayang star city. Those are not small developers you know  brows.gif
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I pass by there everyday on LRT. Just my POV from lrt, looks like no progress. Quoting "Piling started around Aug 2018" someone posted before. If want confirmation need to really go there n see confused.gif
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Oh yah,,,just remembered a thread where somebody mention the Analysis Paralysis sidekick.

For the benefit of interested party for this project, here is the latest update pic of the progress (which cannot be seen from the LRT) Pilling is completed and looks like they are starting the foundation work.


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Oh yah,,,just remembered a thread where somebody mention the Analysis Paralysis sidekick.

For the benefit of interested party for this project, here is the latest update pic of the progress (which cannot be seen from the LRT) Pilling is completed and looks like they are starting the foundation work. 
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Nice update. You working there?
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Has anyone shared the master plan here?
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Has anyone shared the master plan here?
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Actually there is no master plan for this sector of development here. As it is just a single (and mabbe last) piece of land acquired which is near the public recreational area in kelana jaya. IMO it is banking on the future of the Subang Airport "corridor" masterplan.

There was a previous development concept called Datum In City (to be undertaken by the selangor govt + private sector developers which was since abandoned?) It is situated nearby the sunway serene project. I believe it was meant to include future rezoning of the existing FTZ.

Of course unless the developers have their way and managed to convince MPPJ to redevelop the whole area by taking back all the lakes and parks, stadium and the football field in the near future.
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QUOTE(kimzee @ Jan 16 2019, 11:38 AM)
Actually there is no master plan for this sector of development here. As it is just a single (and mabbe last) piece of land acquired which is near the public recreational area in kelana jaya. IMO it is banking on the future of the Subang Airport "corridor" masterplan.

There was a previous development concept called Datum In City (to be undertaken by the selangor govt + private sector developers which was since abandoned?) It is situated nearby the sunway serene project.  I believe it was meant to include future rezoning of the existing FTZ.

Of course unless the developers have their way and managed to convince MPPJ to redevelop the whole area by taking back all the lakes and parks, stadium  and the football field in the near future.
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Oh, I mean Panorama masterplan. The green area will remain as it is. Remember once there was a plan by PKNS to redevelop the field and it created such a huge hoohaa. So not going to happen.
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Oh, I mean Panorama masterplan. The green area will remain as it is. Remember once there was a plan by PKNS to redevelop the field and it created such a huge hoohaa. So not going to happen.
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As you are aware, the demographics surrounding this area is quite vocal and have strong political representation so it may not be easy to redevelop the recreational areas.

For the master plan (i think more proper to refer to as Project Plan)
l will scan the brochure and post it here for the benefit of those interested.
Actually as with many other projects we cannot really tell if the illustrations in the brochure will be executed as planned. The S&P description of these facilities leaves a lot to imagination and intrepretation.


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Oh yah,,,just remembered a thread where somebody mention the Analysis Paralysis sidekick.

For the benefit of interested party for this project, here is the latest update pic of the progress (which cannot be seen from the LRT) Pilling is completed and looks like they are starting the foundation work. 
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Means progressing lo?
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Means progressing lo?
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Yes...else why they brought tons of steels to the site? The machineries and workers are still working all day.
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QUOTE(kimzee @ Jan 16 2019, 11:57 AM)
As you are aware, the demographics surrounding this area is quite vocal and have strong political representation so it may not be easy to redevelop the recreational areas.

For the  master plan (i think more proper to refer to as Project Plan)
l will scan the brochure and post it here for the benefit of those interested.
Actually as with many other projects we cannot really tell if the illustrations in the brochure will be executed as planned. The S&P description of these facilities leaves a lot to imagination and intrepretation.
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You can see which other potential developments coming up nearby.
Blue ones are commercial and orange residential. Red govt land. Green are recreational areas.

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You can see which other potential developments coming up nearby.
Blue ones are commercial and orange residential. Red govt land. Green are recreational areas.

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wow... what a good image!! where u get this? cool
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QUOTE(davkong @ Jan 16 2019, 12:50 PM)
You can see which other potential developments coming up nearby.
Blue ones are commercial and orange residential. Red govt land. Green are recreational areas.

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This was taken from the last MPPJ masterplan 2 (IIRC) public viewing last year? I did scrutinize it but your attachment here is very useful.
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It's from MBPJ website.
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I used to live in Shang Villa beside this panorama project. Here's what i can share from living near this project area.

1. Just right beside a stagnant oxidised pond though developer has cleaned it a bit.

2. Super near to Masjid. So if you're non-muslim and not comfortable with the prayers sounds avoid this place. The speakers are really loud btw.

3. The football stadium MBPJ nearby is the new home ground stadium for PJ City FC a new football club owned by tycoon. So expect the whole area to be jam packed almost every weekend. The club is playing under the MFL, top league so heavy crowds expected. Also lots of rempits convoys.

4. Heard the football club owner wants to do something to the stadium (expand)

5. Lots of black and foreign students due to cheap lincoln college in front.

6. No shops or restaurants nearby. Paradigm is not walking distance!

7. Near to Glenmarie LRT, walkways are not great. (It's a crowded LRT station btw)

8. Nice park (taman bandaran) and public pool nearby. Avoid the parks after 8pm. Lots of addicts and gay people doing odd stuff. Park facilities not that well maintained. Just good for a stroll or a jog.

9. Near golf club. Lots of greenery in this location.

10. Roads are not that wide, might be more congested when this panorama project is ready.

11. Since panorama is nearer to the LRT station, the screeching noise from the LRT is another issue.

12. There's the govt agency SPAD that just moved to Wisma Amfirst (200m) away, so expect the roads to be crowded as cars/taxis will double parked to renew their permit.

Overall this location is quiet with some factories, lots of foreigners, colleges, MAS academy and the LRT station. The park and the pool add some value to it.

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No wonder the flood lights at the stadium were on most night there......

If you live near the stadium...yr unit might not need to turn on light already.....will be lit like a christmas tree....
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anyone know where is the showroom? or any unit still available ?
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in sri hartamas.
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Yo, went over during the weekend to check the place out. See if you could click on the video below. Construction works are in progress .

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mmrKituVq...MllYLyqlUdwRMuU

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IXdL795Bw...sljV-8DhEWeGG_M

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Yo, went over during the weekend to check the place out. See if you could click on the video below. Construction works are in progress .

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mmrKituVq...MllYLyqlUdwRMuU

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IXdL795Bw...sljV-8DhEWeGG_M

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QUOTE(ryan36 @ Feb 11 2019, 03:21 PM)
I used to live in Shang Villa beside this panorama project. Here's what i can share from living near this project area.

1. Just right beside a stagnant oxidised pond though developer has cleaned it a bit.

2. Super near to Masjid. So if you're non-muslim and not comfortable with the prayers sounds avoid this place. The speakers are really loud btw.

3. The football stadium MBPJ nearby is the new home ground stadium for PJ City FC a new football club owned by tycoon. So expect the whole area to be jam packed almost every weekend. The club is playing under the MFL, top league so heavy crowds expected. Also lots of rempits convoys.

4. Heard the football club owner wants to do something to the stadium (expand)

5. Lots of black and foreign students due to cheap lincoln college in front.

6. No shops or restaurants nearby. Paradigm is not walking distance!

7. Near to Glenmarie LRT, walkways are not great. (It's a crowded LRT station btw)

8. Nice park (taman bandaran) and public pool nearby. Avoid the parks after 8pm. Lots of addicts and gay people doing odd stuff. Park facilities not that well maintained. Just good for a stroll or a jog.

9. Near golf club. Lots of greenery in this location.

10. Roads are not that wide, might be more congested when this panorama project is ready.

11. Since panorama is nearer to the LRT station, the screeching noise from the LRT is another issue.

12. There's the govt agency SPAD that just moved to Wisma Amfirst (200m) away, so expect the roads to be crowded as cars/taxis will double parked to renew their permit.

Overall this location is quiet with some factories, lots of foreigners, colleges, MAS academy and the LRT station. The park and the pool add some value to it.
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So my assumption is all true then. Based on observation I believe all those issues would occur but now someone confirmed it.... Panorama doesn't seem good liew blink.gif
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I just bought a unit. Anybody interested pls pm me.
I refer agent.

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I just bought a unit. Anybody interested pls pm me.
We can split the owner get owner referral fee.
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Mind to share how much you buy?
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Hi, any SA here can pm me the details of this property?
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anyone know the latest update of the development progress?

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Apr 8 2019, 09:13 PM)
So my assumption is all true then. Based on observation I believe all those issues would occur but now someone confirmed it.... Panorama doesn't seem good liew  blink.gif
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Waiting for the tan&tan guy come back and another fuss about it.
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Other issues are tolerable....the biggest issue I believe is that there is a masjid nearby (for non Muslims).

I think this project is more suitable for Malays/Bumi to buy since it's a benefit to them that a Masjid is near. Plus, they give big bumi discounts.

Non bumi/Malay not just suffered instant devalued (because of high bumi discount), they also have to bear with living near the Masjid.

Those non bumi/malay who bought it must be crying out loud now..

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for those ppl that wanting to buy condo or highrise to stay, I suggest you should do a real time test with Airbnb setting.

rent a night or two with element of mosque very nearby, or MRT/LRT track very nearby or next to busiest Hwy (FedHwy, NKVE, LDP), stayed at unit face directly to these elements and away from these elements and judge for yourself.

also floor levels are important as well.
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The price for this project is not consider cheap for a not so well know developer.
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The price for this project is not consider cheap for a not so well know developer.
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There's sentimental value when it comes to property in this part of PJ (kelana jaya all the way to BU). Most buyers are PJ resident or people who have worked here and stay here for a long time. They wouldn't go elsewhere. 1U/Paradigm/starling is their hangout place. Look at Megah Rise. KL cannot even compare the price. Same like certain properties in Subang, in which you cannot understand why people would buy at that price tag but it does happen.
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The price for this project is not consider cheap for a not so well know developer.
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loh n loh is not newbie.

just like many cina developer, they cant access to many landbank without breaking an arm or leg.

but this co has seen its better days. I believe (rumours should I declare here) the original owners of this co has all sold their shares n its very politically linked co these days.
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QUOTE(zenwell @ May 8 2019, 01:11 PM)
There's sentimental value when it comes to property in this part of PJ (kelana jaya all the way to BU). Most buyers are PJ resident or people who have worked here and stay here for a long time. They wouldn't go elsewhere. 1U/Paradigm/starling is their hangout place. Look at Megah Rise. KL cannot even compare the price. Same like certain properties in Subang, in which you cannot understand why people would buy at that price tag but it does happen.
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if you grew up and live in this part of the world, its all worth it.

takkan nak saved a few bucks n live near mountain in semenyih puncak alam or swap land in Gamuda cove or kuala langat district.
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ May 8 2019, 02:42 PM)
if you grew up and live in this part of the world, its all worth it.

takkan nak saved a few bucks n live near mountain in semenyih puncak alam or swap land in Gamuda cove or kuala langat district.
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this point very true. many pj born and bred bought in the few newly opened up developments mostly around shah alam and couldn't adjust and were not happy with their move
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QUOTE(zenwell @ May 8 2019, 01:11 PM)
There's sentimental value when it comes to property in this part of PJ (kelana jaya all the way to BU). Most buyers are PJ resident or people who have worked here and stay here for a long time. They wouldn't go elsewhere. 1U/Paradigm/starling is their hangout place. Look at Megah Rise. KL cannot even compare the price. Same like certain properties in Subang, in which you cannot understand why people would buy at that price tag but it does happen.
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KL cannot even compare the price? what do you even mean?

Subang is a developing city. With a commercial town like SS15 and SJCC, there is a reason why people wants to go there.

Panorama area like others said, has nothing within walking distance apart from a the train station. Its surroundings are offices and close by are amenities that is not very desirable. i.e. too close to stadium, mosque and cheap college.

It's only worth it for muslims because nearby a mosque is good for them and there is high bumi discount given.

Otherwise, it would be living hell for non-muslims.
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Is there any traction/status update for this project? It’s been very quiet and not to mention slow.
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The project is progressing along. The concrete foundation has been cast after the piling works.

Are you interested in this project?

Well to be cynical.....hope that you are not a "non-muslim" as the preceding well known foul-mouthed forumer's (Holypredator) post before you claimed that this project will be a "Living Hell to non-muslims"

I will update some pic later.


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QUOTE(holypredator @ May 8 2019, 08:43 PM)
KL cannot even compare the price? what do you even mean?

Subang is a developing city. With a commercial town like SS15 and SJCC, there is a reason why people wants to go there.

Panorama area like others said, has nothing within walking distance apart from a the train station. Its surroundings are offices and close by are amenities that is not very desirable. i.e. too close to stadium, mosque and cheap college.

It's only worth it for muslims because nearby a mosque is good for them and there is high bumi discount given.

Otherwise, it would be living hell for non-muslims.
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Without targetting race n religion, KJ has always been the poorer cousin of pj proper.

Of course the poorest cousin of pj is got to be pjs.....excludjng sunway pj.

Well yr guess is as good as mine why tis area is what it is today.

Same w dsara damai.
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ May 30 2019, 01:27 PM)
Without targetting race n religion, KJ has always been the poorer cousin of pj proper.

Of course the poorest cousin of pj is got to be pjs.....excludjng sunway pj.

Well yr guess is as good as mine why tis area is what it is today.

Same w dsara damai.
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my guess is kj is newer part of pj and, it looks like the town planner put many institutions here, naturally the demography will be a certain mix due to the institutions. they have their way of life. it is different from olders part of pj that had many more years to develop mature commercial areas. also different from newer parts of pj that are commercial centric.
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ May 30 2019, 01:27 PM)
Without targetting race n religion, KJ has always been the poorer cousin of pj proper.

Of course the poorest cousin of pj is got to be pjs.....excludjng sunway pj.

Well yr guess is as good as mine why tis area is what it is today.

Same w dsara damai.
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I would not be too quick to judge this locality. As PJ proper has less and less land for development this fringe area may very well be poise for change. With the addition of Azure, Sapphire, Acruz, Plaza Kelana, Panorama, Highpark and Sunway Serene, the demographics is slowly and surely changing.

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