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Subaru Legacy, Is it worth it compared to Conti?
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silkygirl
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Jun 3 2014, 11:16 AM
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QUOTE(SWIZZ @ Jun 2 2014, 01:08 PM) Your Requirements II) Resale value is not important as I will drive it like for the next 10 or 12 years. (I rarely change car) a. Camry - Good resale value b. Accord - Good resale value c. Teana - 2nd car dealer dont even wants it if u selling it after 3months of usage.d. Subaru - worst than teana III) Spare part easy to get (no need to wait months and months to order in) and will not cost me a bomb. a. Camry - Available in massive & easily to find. b. Accord - Available in massive & easily to find. c. Teana - Available in massive & easily to find.d. Subaru - Need to wait for import. IV) Fuel consumption reasonable within class expectation. All models are very similar. so no issue here. V) Something that will not be too flashy to potential robber like a Beemer or a Merz. Teana & legacy fits in here.So based of above, Teana is your best choice.Where did you find a these info?? My husband just traded in his 2011 Teana 2.5 for a Mercedes E250, and the Teana. Mercedes taken it back for RM91K, the Mercedes salesman told us luckily it is a Japanese "big 3" he called it, others very hard to sell in used car market. You sure what you said is true and reflecting the actual used car market condition?
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Quazacolt
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Jun 3 2014, 12:36 PM
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QUOTE(silkygirl @ Jun 3 2014, 11:16 AM) Where did you find a these info?? My husband just traded in his 2011 Teana 2.5 for a Mercedes E250, and the Teana. Mercedes taken it back for RM91K, the Mercedes salesman told us luckily it is a Japanese "big 3" he called it, others very hard to sell in used car market. You sure what you said is true and reflecting the actual used car market condition? 91k seems awfully low for a Teana though  Then again used car dealer and not direct owner sales, I guess can't be helped
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Dwango
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Jun 3 2014, 12:48 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 3 2014, 12:36 PM) 91k seems awfully low for a Teana though  Then again used car dealer and not direct owner sales, I guess can't be helped I think it is quite okay already. Sometime earlier this month when I was at a used car dealer, a Honda Accord 2.4 was selling at RM85k+ only. Perhaps it was an older 4 to 5 years old model. But then, the original owner would have sold it for even less. Nowadays when you sell a >RM100k vehicle that is more than 3 years old you would likely lose 60% or more, close to 50% if approaching 5 years old.
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Quazacolt
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Jun 3 2014, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE(Dwango @ Jun 3 2014, 12:48 PM) I think it is quite okay already. Sometime earlier this month when I was at a used car dealer, a Honda Accord 2.4 was selling at RM85k+ only. Perhaps it was an older 4 to 5 years old model. But then, the original owner would have sold it for even less. Nowadays when you sell a >RM100k vehicle that is more than 3 years old you would likely lose 60% or more, close to 50% if approaching 5 years old. ah yea you're right, if a honda can be that low, a nissan would typically fare much worse
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silkygirl
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Jun 3 2014, 02:43 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 3 2014, 01:36 PM) 91k seems awfully low for a Teana though  Then again used car dealer and not direct owner sales, I guess can't be helped Not really, my husband drove the Teana heavily, every month can clocked up to 2-4k km and the time he traded in his Teana, the odo meter was like around 160,000.00km, even the Mercedes salesman saw the odo meter get shocked because the car only 3yrs ++. The salesman also showed us the other used car price, and we found the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord years 2011 is almost the same, not much difference, the Camry I think is RM94K to 95K, Accord also around that price, but still need to see the car condition first. My husband Teana condition actually is quite bad, only wash when sent in to service, the front bumper got a scratch mark and the back last time hit by motorcycle and dented a little bit, and the car do not have GPS and sport package, so the salesman said max is RM91K only.
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Quazacolt
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Jun 3 2014, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE(silkygirl @ Jun 3 2014, 02:43 PM) Not really, my husband drove the Teana heavily, every month can clocked up to 2-4k km and the time he traded in his Teana, the odo meter was like around 160,000.00km, even the Mercedes salesman saw the odo meter get shocked because the car only 3yrs ++. The salesman also showed us the other used car price, and we found the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord years 2011 is almost the same, not much difference, the Camry I think is RM94K to 95K, Accord also around that price, but still need to see the car condition first. My husband Teana condition actually is quite bad, only wash when sent in to service, the front bumper got a scratch mark and the back last time hit by motorcycle and dented a little bit, and the car do not have GPS and sport package, so the salesman said max is RM91K only. Considering what you've described, you've gotten quite a good deal then
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thefryingfox
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Jun 3 2014, 06:36 PM
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Subaru legacy is quite an awesome car. but if u going to keep it for a long time, u got to be damn sure the parts are available else u will be suffering without a transport
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TSxuzen
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Jun 3 2014, 09:02 PM
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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Jun 2 2014, 02:48 PM) Subaru spare parts in Malaysia? What's that? At least for the Impreza WRX/STi there are numbers from the grey market that makes up a little demand for spares. Of course, XV numbers will also generate spares but that is all new spare parts. Legacy would almost have no demand for spares in Malaysia as there's hardly any on the road. Singapore might have. xuzenWhich Legacy are you looking at? Grey Import models or local MI model? Local MI model is still the older version of the current model that is using the old EJ25 engine and not the new FB25. Do keep in mind that the Legacy 2.5GT engine is not tuned like the ones in the Impreza WRX STi, so don't expect it to fly like one. Also the 6th generation Legacy is suppose to be out this year or next as the current model is 5 years old. Sleepwalker, Do you mean it is very difficult to get spare parts of Legacy? That is a huge turn-off then.... I am looking at MI version of course, I am not a car enthusiast hence I know not of grey importers. Some respondent suggest me to get the STi instead as a weekend car, if that is the case.... how does this compare to Golf R or Focus ST? I have been trawling the internet so i know little bit but not enough to make informed or definitive decision yet.... They are all in the similar price range. Xuzen
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zenockl85
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Jun 3 2014, 09:11 PM
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Just search around legacy owner is the car always break down and need to change parts? Subaru now already different from pass 20years ~ any spare parts unavailable in Malaysia , SG sure got keep stock ~ MI in SG is the HQ for handle Southeast Asia market ~
main different technology in Legacy compare with other Dsegment car in market is symatrical AWD system ~ no any car in market Dsegment car are using it ~ Symatrical AWD naturally already giving u a good handling with minimum electronic parts~ that is what of value u buy a Subaru ~
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zenockl85
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Jun 3 2014, 09:15 PM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 3 2014, 09:02 PM) Sleepwalker, Do you mean it is very difficult to get spare parts of Legacy? That is a huge turn-off then.... I am looking at MI version of course, I am not a car enthusiast hence I know not of grey importers. Some respondent suggest me to get the STi instead as a weekend car, if that is the case.... how does this compare to Golf R or Focus ST? I have been trawling the internet so i know little bit but not enough to make informed or definitive decision yet.... They are all in the similar price range. Xuzen This need ur serious take consideration le~ legacy is family car with performance ~ Impreza WRX STI is performance car can Carrie family ~
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TSxuzen
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Jun 3 2014, 09:19 PM
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QUOTE(zenockl85 @ Jun 3 2014, 09:11 PM) Just search around legacy owner is the car always break down and need to change parts? Subaru now already different from pass 20years ~ any spare parts unavailable in Malaysia , SG sure got keep stock ~ MI in SG is the HQ for handle Southeast Asia market ~ main different technology in Legacy compare with other Dsegment car in market is symatrical AWD system ~ no any car in market Dsegment car are using it ~ Symatrical AWD naturally already giving u a good handling with minimum electronic parts~ that is what of value u buy a Subaru ~ That is the problem, no one around me or my circle of friends has any idea about Subaru. When I tell them about Legacy, they say I crazy liao! My father in his 70's said Subaru of yesteryears were good car, problem in Malaysia cannot get parts, that is why they lost market share here. But the saving grace is if I have a Legacy, I know that I get to drive a luxury marque without advertising to the world I am rich hence rob me, and that is something comforting to know. To the unknown, a Legacy is just another car.... Xuzen
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zenockl85
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Jun 3 2014, 09:38 PM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 3 2014, 09:19 PM) That is the problem, no one around me or my circle of friends has any idea about Subaru. When I tell them about Legacy, they say I crazy liao! My father in his 70's said Subaru of yesteryears were good car, problem in Malaysia cannot get parts, that is why they lost market share here. But the saving grace is if I have a Legacy, I know that I get to drive a luxury marque without advertising to the world I am rich hence rob me, and that is something comforting to know. To the unknown, a Legacy is just another car.... Xuzen Then u new ask oversea owner le ~ owner in Malaysia for buying a legacy all are experience a Subaru car before ~ normally customer buying without asking to much question cos their already know what their are buying ~
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stormlcc
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Jun 3 2014, 09:49 PM
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I) Driving pleasure. It will be more like my weekend car or pleasure car, as my usual day to day wheel will still be my eight year old MYVI.
since u already got a daily driver, why stick with conventional 4 door sedan? and since u want it as a weekend 'pleasure' car, get a coupe, get a sports car, get a RWD machine
II) Resale value is not important as I will drive it like for the next 10 or 12 years. (I rarely change car)
BMW or Merc 2nd hand
III) Spare part easy to get (no need to wait months and months to order in) and will not cost me a bomb.
BMW or Merc 2nd hand. don't believe people's BS about conti spare parts expensive, they are actually not that different from Jap. and they stock spare parts for decades, compared to japan parts which are only 10 years or so only. u can find and buy a 30 year old BMW NEW part from any well known distributor easily (i just bought my E30 radiator last week, brand new and original for less than 1k). u can even get a brand new VW beetle (the ori beetle, not the pathetic new one aka girl's car) engine from Germany and ship it here. Jap cars? u can't even find a new clock after 20 years.
IV) Fuel consumption reasonable within class expectation.
BMW or Merc 2nd hand
V) Something that will not be too flashy to potential robber like a Beemer or a Merz.
BMW or Merc 2nd hand
errrr.......u do know all the cars are POTENTIAL target right? should i mention to u that the Civic EG, the Satria GTI, Myvi and even a Toyota LE (30 year old car) are the HOTTEST target now.
to prevent your car from getting stolen, u have to be aware of where u park it in the first place. but this also doesn't deter thieves from getting their hands on it. My dad's CRV was stolen few years back and the car was parked at a VERY busy section of road in the afternoon near his shop. the thieves probably got to know his daily routine because he parks near that area every day to go for work.
This post has been edited by stormlcc: Jun 3 2014, 09:49 PM
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sleepwalker
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Jun 4 2014, 10:39 AM
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Need sleep....
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 3 2014, 09:02 PM) Sleepwalker, Do you mean it is very difficult to get spare parts of Legacy? That is a huge turn-off then.... I am looking at MI version of course, I am not a car enthusiast hence I know not of grey importers. Some respondent suggest me to get the STi instead as a weekend car, if that is the case.... how does this compare to Golf R or Focus ST? I have been trawling the internet so i know little bit but not enough to make informed or definitive decision yet.... They are all in the similar price range. Xuzen I drive an Impreza WRX as my daily car. Clocking almost 170000km (just a few more KM to go) so it is not a weekend car. MI will be launching the new 2015 WRX soon. The car is already in Malaysia but they haven't done the pricing or put it up for test drive yet but soon.. very soon. The new WRX 2105 might be a better choice since it is whole new version of the WRX series. However, the STi version will still be using the old technology which is quite a let down. However, do keep in mind the really poor resale value of the WRX/STi if you buy it first hand from MI. That is why after hearing that the new 2015 WRX STi is going to be using the old engine and drivetrain, I've decided to look for a V10 hatch STi later in the year to replace my aging WRX. I'm not going to get brand new WRX/STi and then lose more than 1/3 in 3 years and up to half its value in 5 years. A 5 year old V10 hatch is going for almost half it's original price in 2009/2010. As for the legacy.. I always see it on the road.. it's a Legacy Wagon.. it's white.. and wait.. it's the same white legacy that I always see... yeah.. so far I've only seen one white legacy and that's because we both go to the same workshop. Have you seen any other legacy? Would anybody stock parts for a car that you don't see on the road? Even MI does not stock all parts for the WRX/STi because only 1 out of 5 WRX/STi that you see on the road is from MI. The rest are from grey importers and we don't go back to MI to service. Any STi you see on the road before the V10 hatch are from grey imports since MI didn't bring any STi into Malaysia then (only WRX). However there is a big enough community of WRX/STi out there that we have specialist workshops that can service our cars in KL/PJ. Outside Kelang valley might be an issue.
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sleepwalker
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Jun 4 2014, 10:53 AM
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Need sleep....
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QUOTE(zenockl85 @ Jun 3 2014, 09:11 PM) Just search around legacy owner is the car always break down and need to change parts? Subaru now already different from pass 20years ~ any spare parts unavailable in Malaysia , SG sure got keep stock ~ MI in SG is the HQ for handle Southeast Asia market ~ main different technology in Legacy compare with other Dsegment car in market is symatrical AWD system ~ no any car in market Dsegment car are using it ~ Symatrical AWD naturally already giving u a good handling with minimum electronic parts~ that is what of value u buy a Subaru ~ It is not about always breaking down. Car parts will eventually breakdown whether it is a Subaru or a Proton. Parts will also wear out like the dampers/suspension and brake pads. Air con compressors will fail in the long run and steering racks will leak. Broken windscreen takes MI weeks to get from SG or even Japan. My leaky steering rack was quoted about RM8000 and about one week to get from MI but I managed to source from halfcut for much much less. My car could no longer be driven since all the power steering fluid will leak out in 10 mins of driving. Luckily managed to get from half cut in half a day. If the TS were to get anything from MI, I would suggest that a written guarantee is to be drafted between him and MI so that in the event that parts are not available, MI will provide a substitute car if his car needs to wait for parts. Imagine the outcry if Toyota and Honda owners had to wait for parts. Even if MI SG is available, the parts are not hand carried in and takes time.
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TSxuzen
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Jun 4 2014, 01:48 PM
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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Jun 4 2014, 10:53 AM) It is not about always breaking down. Car parts will eventually breakdown whether it is a Subaru or a Proton. Parts will also wear out like the dampers/suspension and brake pads. Air con compressors will fail in the long run and steering racks will leak. Broken windscreen takes MI weeks to get from SG or even Japan. My leaky steering rack was quoted about RM8000 and about one week to get from MI but I managed to source from halfcut for much much less. My car could no longer be driven since all the power steering fluid will leak out in 10 mins of driving. Luckily managed to get from half cut in half a day. If the TS were to get anything from MI, I would suggest that a written guarantee is to be drafted between him and MI so that in the event that parts are not available, MI will provide a substitute car if his car needs to wait for parts. Imagine the outcry if Toyota and Honda owners had to wait for parts. Even if MI SG is available, the parts are not hand carried in and takes time. Thanks for your honest feedback, really appreciate it man. I will stay far far away from MI products now. BTW, I got a PM from a MI salesperson and he/she is offering the 2011 Legacy wagon at clearance price of RM215K. Nearly tempted. After hearing this from a real owner, I will run far far way! Looks like it will be a Teana 2.5XV for me then. Xuzen
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sleepwalker
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Jun 4 2014, 02:14 PM
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Need sleep....
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 4 2014, 01:48 PM) Thanks for your honest feedback, really appreciate it man. I will stay far far away from MI products now. BTW, I got a PM from a MI salesperson and he/she is offering the 2011 Legacy wagon at clearance price of RM215K. Nearly tempted. After hearing this from a real owner, I will run far far way! Looks like it will be a Teana 2.5XV for me then. Xuzen Well, the new Teana is here. I have also mentioned that the current legacy is already at the end of life. Next generation will be out latest next year, so the Teana might be a better choice.
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zenockl85
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Jun 4 2014, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Jun 4 2014, 10:53 AM) It is not about always breaking down. Car parts will eventually breakdown whether it is a Subaru or a Proton. Parts will also wear out like the dampers/suspension and brake pads. Air con compressors will fail in the long run and steering racks will leak. Broken windscreen takes MI weeks to get from SG or even Japan. My leaky steering rack was quoted about RM8000 and about one week to get from MI but I managed to source from halfcut for much much less. My car could no longer be driven since all the power steering fluid will leak out in 10 mins of driving. Luckily managed to get from half cut in half a day. If the TS were to get anything from MI, I would suggest that a written guarantee is to be drafted between him and MI so that in the event that parts are not available, MI will provide a substitute car if his car needs to wait for parts. Imagine the outcry if Toyota and Honda owners had to wait for parts. Even if MI SG is available, the parts are not hand carried in and takes time. that I can't say le ~ for CBU car parts wait 1week also can't wait ,if compare to other brand need 1month then That brand can't buy le ~ maybe that ur daily car u can't wait and have to find half cut ~ yes half cut is cheap but is already use ,lucky u get good condition ,bad luck 1month need change again ~ Is good if MI got provide car for customer if wait for parts ~ currently I know is without that service la~ I think for honda and Toyota CBU car parts also need wait 1~2 weeks to get it if without stock ~
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zenockl85
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Jun 4 2014, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 4 2014, 01:48 PM) Thanks for your honest feedback, really appreciate it man. I will stay far far away from MI products now. BTW, I got a PM from a MI salesperson and he/she is offering the 2011 Legacy wagon at clearance price of RM215K. Nearly tempted. After hearing this from a real owner, I will run far far way! Looks like it will be a Teana 2.5XV for me then. Xuzen wait 1week time also can't and give out ,I also can't say anything le ~ Any where my offer for 2013 legacy sedan 207k OTR la ~
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ReVolVolution
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Jun 4 2014, 06:34 PM
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Coming from another Subaru owner that bought new from MI :
Buy Subaru if: - you want terrible after sales service - get inexperience technician handling your car (at MI!) - high price parts (don't complain as you are buying over rm200k car)
On the bright side: - great handling car (comparable with contis without the contis normal problems) - TUUUUUUURBO! - parts are available but have to wait from SG.
For myself, I love my scooby but I hate MI. Thus, buy new and don't expect a red carpet or even on par with Proton (yes PROTON!) treatment when servicing and warranty claims.
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