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 Subaru Legacy, Is it worth it compared to Conti?

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Quazacolt
post Jun 2 2014, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 2 2014, 11:55 AM)
Hello,

I am a total noob to this forum.

Here goes my query to all the car enthusiast here. I am ready to upgrade to D-segment by next year June-15, latest. Of course the usual suspects spring to my mind: Camry, Teana and Accord. I have trawling around the internet for a while, reading up on the D-segments' offering in Malaysian market.

However, something caught my mind. Subaru Legacy. Read many good reviews about it but mainly from Ang-mohs or mat-salleh forums. So my question is, is this car so good? For RM 250K price tag, is it better to go Conti?

My requirement:

I) Driving pleasure. It will be more like my weekend car or pleasure car, as my usual day to day wheel will still be my eight year old MYVI.

II) Resale value is not important as I will drive it like for the next 10 or 12 years. (I rarely change car)

III) Spare part easy to get (no need to wait months and months to order in) and will not cost me a bomb.

IV) Fuel consumption reasonable within class expectation.

V) Something that will not be too flashy to potential robber like a Beemer or a Merz.

Thank you all for your input.

Xuzen
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bro if you can persuade the sales dude enough, you could probably get it ~210-220k or even less wink.gif

from my VERY limited test driving:
1) most pleasurable ride lol, 400nm torque with CVT that OBEYS your down shift allowing red lines biggrin.gif

3) from my limited knowledge, hard. may want to check out the subaru car club threads
sleepwalker comment?

4) if you're gonna trash the >300hp turbo car around, being a heavy/big d segment, you really will have to forget about having good FC unless you're cruising at optimal/slow high way cruising speed.

5) it's still a d segment, whether it is flashy or not to a robber, hard to say. an expensive car is still an expensive car.

you may have to take note that maintenance won't be cheap. subaru SC uses motul lubricants and they will surely further mark up the price. and that's not taking into account wear and tear replacements.
more so if it's an underutilized weekend car where you'll get wasted km's until it's time to service (10k km/6 months, my sorta weekend car is at 6500km only and it's 1 month left till service sweat.gif)
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post Jun 2 2014, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(SWIZZ @ Jun 2 2014, 12:08 PM)
Your Requirements

So based of above, Teana is your best choice.
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did you deliberately left out 1)?

because i test driven the 2.5l V6 teana, it was AWESOME, everything was smooth.
and then i test drive the legacy and the teana felt like shit laugh.gif

and the new teana will no longer be a 6pot... supposedly better FC/performance/torque etc compared to the v6, but hey, that's the only charm teana had and it's no longer there.
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post Jun 2 2014, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(SWIZZ @ Jun 2 2014, 12:20 PM)
based on his requirement ma, for maintenance bills, teana does better than legacy ma. he didnt mentioned anything abt preference on car performance or comfort also.
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My requirement:

I) Driving pleasure. It will be more like my weekend car or pleasure car, as my usual day to day wheel will still be my eight year old MYVI.
although to be fair, the teana was pretty pleasurable with the v6, and the nvh is definitely nissan's strong point.

so long he never test drive a legacy, teana will be a good choice smile.gif
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post Jun 2 2014, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Jun 2 2014, 02:48 PM)
Subaru spare parts in Malaysia? What's that?  tongue.gif
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aiks that bad sweat.gif
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post Jun 2 2014, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 2 2014, 09:14 PM)
I need to add something, speed is not a must have for me, simply because in Malaysia, our highway speed limit is only 110kmh. So to avoid traffic fine, it is no point driving fast or having a fast car.

But I rank driving pleasure and road handling very highly.

I checked out the new Mazda6 out, between the new mazda6, new Teana & Legacy, which one will give the best road handling? Legacy?
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no comment on the mazda 6, however between teana and legacy, i'd rate the legacy much higher in terms of handling and driving pleasure.

speed aside, the teana is a tad bit boring/numbing steering feel and it is understandably so because nissan is focusing on comfort/luxurious feel within the cabin. legacy is a ways behind the teana (well, sleepwalker mentioned it's a very old model after all)

if anything, may consider waiting for the newer legacy to arrive malaysia, and give the new teana (non v6) and the old teana a try too, not forgetting a try on the mazda6 as well.

when driving pleasure is a top priority to you, my best advise is that you yourself test drive and decide smile.gif

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just saw your edit:
actually yes, if you're mainly wanting a weekend ride, an actual sports sedan (still able to carry family etc for long distance and having huge luggage space! biggrin.gif) like a WRX STI, or an evolution X would fit PERFECTLY in your need wink.gif

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post Jun 3 2014, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(silkygirl @ Jun 3 2014, 11:16 AM)
Where did you find a these info?? My husband just traded in his 2011 Teana 2.5 for a Mercedes E250, and the Teana. Mercedes taken it back for RM91K, the Mercedes salesman told us luckily it is a Japanese "big 3" he called it, others very hard to sell in used car market. You sure what you said is true and reflecting the actual used car market condition?
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91k seems awfully low for a Teana though sad.gif

Then again used car dealer and not direct owner sales, I guess can't be helped
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post Jun 3 2014, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(Dwango @ Jun 3 2014, 12:48 PM)
I think it is quite okay already. Sometime earlier this month when I was at a used car dealer, a Honda Accord 2.4 was selling at RM85k+ only. Perhaps it was an older 4 to 5 years old model. But then, the original owner would have sold it for even less.

Nowadays when you sell a >RM100k vehicle that is more than 3 years old you would likely lose 60% or more, close to 50% if approaching 5 years old.
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ah yea you're right, if a honda can be that low, a nissan would typically fare much worse
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post Jun 3 2014, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(silkygirl @ Jun 3 2014, 02:43 PM)
Not really, my husband drove the Teana heavily, every month can clocked up to 2-4k km and the time he traded in his Teana, the odo meter was like around 160,000.00km, even the Mercedes salesman saw the odo meter get shocked because the car only 3yrs ++. The salesman also showed us the other used car price, and we found the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord years 2011 is almost the same, not much difference, the Camry I think is RM94K to 95K, Accord also around that price, but still need to see the car condition first. My husband Teana condition actually is quite bad, only wash when sent in to service, the front bumper got a scratch mark and the back last time hit by motorcycle and dented a little bit, and the car do not have GPS and sport package, so the salesman said max is RM91K only.
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Considering what you've described, you've gotten quite a good deal then thumbup.gif
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post Jun 6 2014, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Jun 5 2014, 03:47 PM)
The new 2015 WRX is awesome... the 2015 WRX STi is not that awesome as it is using the old engine and drivetrain from the old Subaru WRX STi.
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is there specific reason why the new STI is using back old engine/drive train? not enough confidence for the new DIT/drivetrain systems?
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post Jun 6 2014, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Jun 6 2014, 09:15 AM)
TS wanted D-Segment.. then got  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif by everybody here until Porsche Cayman S came out.  rclxms.gif
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yeah, since some of the weekend stuff does include long distance iinm
right xuzen ?

with that the legacy is one of the better choice, or a teana v6 (can't comment on the newer teana with inline 4 sorry)

if the budget can stretch, obviously the likes of a evo/wrx sti can be a better candidate albeit the ride comfort/long distance will have to compromise a bit.
and by budget stretching, it goes long term too as maintaining an actual sports car is no simple (and no doubt expensive) task smile.gif
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post Jun 6 2014, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Jun 6 2014, 03:45 PM)
Good question.. only Subaru can answer that. As for the drivetrain, there's always been a big difference between the WRX and WRX STi in the form of 2 LSDs and the DCCD. So you can almost say that the entire drivetrain is different from the standard WRX even in previous generations.

The 2015 WRX gets a new FA engine and gearbox but I guess they haven't have the chance to incorporate that into the STi.

Just like how they went from the GC8 to the New Age scooby. The DCCD wasn't incorporated in the V7 Bugeye STi except for the special types like S202, RA and Spec-C I think. However from V8 onwards all STi have the DCCD as standard.

So I guess we'd just have to wait and see. Maybe the S207 will have it..
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aye, hopefully my career can allow me to own one in ~7 years time (after i pay off my new inspira lol)
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post Jun 6 2014, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 6 2014, 03:58 PM)

P/S I F3cking want the red one!
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it'll come down to my advice previously: go test drive yourself and you'll get your answer smile.gif
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post Jun 6 2014, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 6 2014, 04:14 PM)
Arggggggghhhhhh! I warn you my dear good sir, I would have reported you to the admin for propagating automotive p0rn. But then, I am off weak and feeble mind and cannot resist looking at such wonderful p0rn. Hence, let's indulge in this automotive p0rn together.

Xuzen

p/s Motor Image said stock coming end of Dec. Launching and booking starts in Jul-14.
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but yea what sleepwalker said, new car release, can't expect much discount. the older ones however, cold door brand, HUGE discounts tongue.gif

 

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