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 Subaru Legacy, Is it worth it compared to Conti?

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post Jun 4 2014, 06:34 PM

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Coming from another Subaru owner that bought new from MI :

Buy Subaru if:
- you want terrible after sales service
- get inexperience technician handling your car (at MI!)
- high price parts (don't complain as you are buying over rm200k car)

On the bright side:
- great handling car (comparable with contis without the contis normal problems)
- TUUUUUUURBO!
- parts are available but have to wait from SG.

For myself, I love my scooby but I hate MI. Thus, buy new and don't expect a red carpet or even on par with Proton (yes PROTON!) treatment when servicing and warranty claims.


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post Jun 4 2014, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(joker98 @ Jun 4 2014, 08:22 PM)
Hmm...I actually have a very different experience of after sales for my second Subaru, which is the current new Forester turbo.

My first Forester was from 2009 till 2013. Nothing to shout about at MI during my 3 year warranty period. Well then again, there was nothing wrong with my car during the whole warranty tenure. So just regular servicing at the old MI HQ back then.

But with the new Forester I actually had pretty good after sales treatment from Subaru MI. 8 months into ownership and my engine BLEW. That's right, new subaru DIT engine. Same as the one in the coming new WRX.

There was some slight issues already. But it was not regular. But the engine knocks (very loudly) when accelerating at low speeds or up gradients from low speed and loses power for half second. For example from traffic lights or up a bridge from a merging lane. Not during high speed pushes. During very normal accelerating scenarios.

Research, research online...found Australians also facing same issues. Initially aussie owners found that the air intake clamps seem to be the culprit. But apparently Subaru sent engineers over to Aussie to test and figured out that it was the engine tuning issue. So new maps, new spark plugs. Problem solved.

Subaru MI replaced my whole engine. Brought in from land of rising sun, gave me an XV to use (which they offered me after I mentioned how I needed a high riding car for my work) and now I have back my Forester and loving the new engine with the brand new tune. No more problems. And apparently they are applying this new tune update to the WRXs as well according to some of the Aussies.

Another FXT owner that I met also had the knocking problem, but his engine did not blow. They also gave him a courtesy car while updating his tune.

The engine replacement under warranty was really no fuss at my end. Only needed to hand over the documents to them for the car registration update and reinspection, which MI handled everything. Whole process including testing, inspections etc. took about just over a month from the day it was decided that the engine needs to be replaced.

All the while the attitude I got from MI was generally good and friendly.

For my previous Forester, my review of MI after sales would be neutral.

But this time round, I think they are trying hard to please and making changes and I am happy with the way they took responsibility and dealt with the problem. Of course not the record breaking award winning red carpet service, but definitely much better than some other car brands that my company owns.
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Wow... That's interesting. I purchased my first scooby in jan 2010. I have to say that it's a great car. No headaches but towards the end of the warranty period, I experienced some slight knocking sound coming from the front suspension. I went to MI and ask them to check. Once I reached there, they said all the ram have been used and I need to wait for about 30-40 mins. I agreed and waited. When e ram was free, they didn't bother to check and I had to ask the technician in charge. He asked the problem again and I told him about the slight knocking sound. Guess what he said after that! He told me that he needs at least 1/2 day to check the knocking sound and asked me to come back 2 days later in the morning for checking. No guarantees that the correction / repairs could be done that day coz they might not have the part!!!!

Argghhh.... My frustrations was, if you need half a day to check at least let me know earlier so that I don't have to wait there for 1 hour like I have nothing better else to do!!!!! mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif

Left MI and vowed never to return again as my warranty has ended. I don't mind paying for the overcharged service and parts and I only use MOTUL oil. But it's another thing if you don't respect me as a paying customer.

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post Jun 4 2014, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(OC4/3 @ Jun 4 2014, 09:10 PM)
People who drive these sort of car usually will DIY or have their own workshop that does maintenance/mod on car like that
Driving enthusiast car & go back SC is  rclxub.gif
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Really depends on the drivers. For some drivers, scoobies are all about mods and more mods! To others, scoobies are just the right car to have fun without going through those extensive mods!

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post Jun 5 2014, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(wayfeel @ Jun 4 2014, 09:57 PM)
get how about a v10 recon...alot cheaper, got dual transmission, family type hatch...and performance
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v10 does not have "dual transmission". I believe you meant DSG type but still not available on v10 or even v11. v11s are now using CVTs. Anyway, the v10s are using 5 speed autos.

It is a great car as it does fill all the criteria - family hatchback, performance based and practical for daily use. Been using it since 2010. The only downside is the FC. Don't expect good / great fuel economy from a 300bhp vehicle! I believe same goes with the Legacy too.

I had a call from a subaru SA to sell me a 2013 Legacy at a good price. Was tempted to change but... second thought, I decided to keep my v10 and be happy about it!

Why?

Simply because I love my v10 and I have 2nd and 3rd car to satisfy me on other areas such as FC, comfort etc.

Also, when I asked the SA about trade ins, he said he'll get high price trade ins. When he asked what car, and I replied v10, the next statement he made was hilarious - "Erm... better you sell it yourself lah". Being a scooby SA and not willing to take the challenge to get the high trade in price says a lot on the brand and the quality of their SAs.

cheers!

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post Jun 5 2014, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(zenockl85 @ Jun 5 2014, 01:55 PM)
not the scooby SA dun wan sell at high price their also base by user car pricing ~ yes we have high trade in price ~ but not enough to cover ur expecting price ~

subaru legacy sure better FC if compare with WRX STI ~ legacy is a family car with performance ~ fuji heavy industry  sure will consider about the FC of legacy ~
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Let me put it this way. Subaru is a cold brand in Malaysia. As a cold brand, the SAs need to be 200% better than those hot selling brands like H or T. You'll need to take the extra mile to satisfy your customers. Am sure that Subaru is giving higher commissions than those hot brands.

When I bought my scooby in 2010, I had a great SA. He went to the extra mile to ensure that I had a great trade in price. He called a few dealers and got me a great price on trade in and a good discount on the scooby. He ensured that I receive the best value and service. He did outshine as a SA. As a reward, I tipped him RM 500 on the day of my car collection! Yes, RM 500 in CASH for him! I know he had gotten commissions from the sale of the car as well as the 3M tint that I installed. However, good SAs like this is hard to find and I'm one who likes to reward people like this!

For the recent scooby SA, he didn't even bother to get quotations from other dealers and just say it's better for me to sell on my own. Come on. We are buying a car that's over RM 200k! This is the range of Mercedes and Beemers. People who buys this brand should come from above average income. At least show some courtesy by checking on the price OR at least be hungry for your own sales!

Anyway, I decided to keep my scooby and am now thinkiing of changing one of my other car to the new Merc W205. Sorry Motor Image Malaysia, you've lost a potential REPEAT customer.

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post Jun 5 2014, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Jun 5 2014, 03:46 PM)
You can always sell me your scooby if you don't want it and I promise I won't take it back to MI for servicing. tongue.gif

My friends recent encounter with a Honda SA reflects your sentiment of a good SA. She's trying to trade in her old Myvi (9 years) for the new City. Honda SA said their own ' Honda secondhand dealers' has no market for old Myvi but outstation might have. So they put in the extra effort to try to sell the car in Melaka, anywhere as long as it is outside of Kelang Valley to get a better trade-in price. At least they did not stuck up their noses and said that Myvi has no value go sell it yourself. Even H and T SAs are working extra hard to push their cars.

I always thought that trading up will always give better price when you bring the car back and trade it for a newer or better model. I guess that does not apply to Subaru. I guess my business is also going to grey importers too.
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haha... will consider bro rolleyes.gif

Anyway, yes.... most of the SAs are really pushing hard on their sales nowadays. So if Motor Image is serious on making a big impact on Malaysian market, the Subaru SAs should be working harder to improve their service and sales quality. Same goes to their Service Centers as well.


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post Jun 5 2014, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(OC4/3 @ Jun 5 2014, 04:51 PM)
Find the best workshop that specialize in servicing/modding Subaru
MI will service yes but maybe extra price because you does not buy a car from them
Typically people who own car like STI/EVO are performance junkie & have their own contact or they will learn to DIY
For weekend car why don't you consider something that really give you sense of occasion like a Lotus Exige S or something along the line of that
Those are what i call weekend car
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Lotus is nice. You should also consider Cayman S as a weekend car too! biggrin.gif
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post Jun 6 2014, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Jun 6 2014, 04:39 PM)
And it will be on the high end of 200K.. numbers are being thrown around at 276k to 296k... we'd just have to wait and see. Anything less than that will be a bonus.
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To me, that's way over priced.V10 Sti is selling at rm260k and that's without discount yet. The V11 WRX should be selling at rm200k or so.

anyway, if they are selling higher, the our scoobies should not depreciate that much! wink.gif
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post Oct 27 2015, 11:31 AM

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Bring up this thread as it's been more than 1 year, but TS didn't mention whether he bought the Legacy or other makes?


 

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