Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 Subaru Legacy, Is it worth it compared to Conti?

views
     
sleepwalker
post Jun 2 2014, 02:48 PM

Need sleep....
Group Icon
Staff
5,568 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: the lack of sleep


QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 2 2014, 12:13 PM)
3) from my limited knowledge, hard. may want to check out the subaru car club threads
sleepwalker comment?


*
Subaru spare parts in Malaysia? What's that? tongue.gif

At least for the Impreza WRX/STi there are numbers from the grey market that makes up a little demand for spares. Of course, XV numbers will also generate spares but that is all new spare parts. Legacy would almost have no demand for spares in Malaysia as there's hardly any on the road. Singapore might have.



xuzen
Which Legacy are you looking at? Grey Import models or local MI model? Local MI model is still the older version of the current model that is using the old EJ25 engine and not the new FB25.

Do keep in mind that the Legacy 2.5GT engine is not tuned like the ones in the Impreza WRX STi, so don't expect it to fly like one.

Also the 6th generation Legacy is suppose to be out this year or next as the current model is 5 years old.

This post has been edited by sleepwalker: Jun 2 2014, 02:49 PM
sleepwalker
post Jun 4 2014, 10:39 AM

Need sleep....
Group Icon
Staff
5,568 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: the lack of sleep


QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 3 2014, 09:02 PM)
Sleepwalker,

Do you mean it is very difficult to get spare parts of Legacy? That is a huge turn-off then....

I am looking at MI version of course, I am not a car enthusiast hence I know not of grey importers.

Some respondent suggest me to get the STi instead as a weekend car, if that is the case.... how does this compare to Golf R or Focus ST? I have been trawling the internet so i know little bit but not enough to make informed or definitive decision yet.... They are all in the similar price range.

Xuzen
*
I drive an Impreza WRX as my daily car. Clocking almost 170000km (just a few more KM to go) so it is not a weekend car. MI will be launching the new 2015 WRX soon. The car is already in Malaysia but they haven't done the pricing or put it up for test drive yet but soon.. very soon. The new WRX 2105 might be a better choice since it is whole new version of the WRX series. However, the STi version will still be using the old technology which is quite a let down.

However, do keep in mind the really poor resale value of the WRX/STi if you buy it first hand from MI. That is why after hearing that the new 2015 WRX STi is going to be using the old engine and drivetrain, I've decided to look for a V10 hatch STi later in the year to replace my aging WRX. I'm not going to get brand new WRX/STi and then lose more than 1/3 in 3 years and up to half its value in 5 years. A 5 year old V10 hatch is going for almost half it's original price in 2009/2010.

As for the legacy.. I always see it on the road.. it's a Legacy Wagon.. it's white.. and wait.. it's the same white legacy that I always see... yeah.. so far I've only seen one white legacy and that's because we both go to the same workshop. Have you seen any other legacy? Would anybody stock parts for a car that you don't see on the road? Even MI does not stock all parts for the WRX/STi because only 1 out of 5 WRX/STi that you see on the road is from MI. The rest are from grey importers and we don't go back to MI to service. Any STi you see on the road before the V10 hatch are from grey imports since MI didn't bring any STi into Malaysia then (only WRX). However there is a big enough community of WRX/STi out there that we have specialist workshops that can service our cars in KL/PJ. Outside Kelang valley might be an issue.


sleepwalker
post Jun 4 2014, 10:53 AM

Need sleep....
Group Icon
Staff
5,568 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: the lack of sleep


QUOTE(zenockl85 @ Jun 3 2014, 09:11 PM)
Just search around legacy owner is the car always break down and need to change parts?
Subaru now already different from pass 20years ~ any spare parts unavailable in Malaysia , SG sure got keep stock ~
MI in SG is the HQ for handle Southeast Asia market ~

main different technology in Legacy compare with other Dsegment car in market is symatrical AWD system ~ no any car in market Dsegment car are using it ~
Symatrical AWD naturally already giving u a good handling with minimum electronic parts~ that is what of value u buy a Subaru ~
*
It is not about always breaking down. Car parts will eventually breakdown whether it is a Subaru or a Proton. Parts will also wear out like the dampers/suspension and brake pads. Air con compressors will fail in the long run and steering racks will leak. Broken windscreen takes MI weeks to get from SG or even Japan. My leaky steering rack was quoted about RM8000 and about one week to get from MI but I managed to source from halfcut for much much less. My car could no longer be driven since all the power steering fluid will leak out in 10 mins of driving. Luckily managed to get from half cut in half a day.

If the TS were to get anything from MI, I would suggest that a written guarantee is to be drafted between him and MI so that in the event that parts are not available, MI will provide a substitute car if his car needs to wait for parts. Imagine the outcry if Toyota and Honda owners had to wait for parts. Even if MI SG is available, the parts are not hand carried in and takes time.
sleepwalker
post Jun 4 2014, 02:14 PM

Need sleep....
Group Icon
Staff
5,568 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: the lack of sleep


QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 4 2014, 01:48 PM)
Thanks for your honest feedback, really appreciate it man. I will stay far far away from MI products now.

BTW, I got a PM from a MI salesperson and he/she is offering the 2011 Legacy wagon at clearance price of RM215K. Nearly tempted. After hearing this from a real owner, I will run far far way!

Looks like it will be a Teana 2.5XV for me then.

Xuzen
*
Well, the new Teana is here. I have also mentioned that the current legacy is already at the end of life. Next generation will be out latest next year, so the Teana might be a better choice.
sleepwalker
post Jun 5 2014, 09:02 AM

Need sleep....
Group Icon
Staff
5,568 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: the lack of sleep


QUOTE(zenockl85 @ Jun 4 2014, 05:32 PM)
that I can't say le ~ for CBU car parts wait 1week also can't wait ,if compare to other brand need 1month then That brand can't buy le ~ maybe that ur daily car u can't wait and have to find half cut ~ yes half cut is cheap but is already use ,lucky u get good condition ,bad luck 1month need change again ~

Is good if MI got provide car for customer if wait for parts ~ currently I know is without that service la~ I think for honda and Toyota CBU car parts also need wait 1~2 weeks to get it if without stock ~
*
Please note that most parts that wear out are 'CBU' parts. If you understand what CKD means, you'd know that important parts and parts that are difficult to source locally are knocked down and sent here for reassembly. Almost all the parts that I mentioned in my previous post are not CKD parts that is sourced locally. So that makes no difference whether the car is CKD or CBU.

Just like the XV now, it is CKD but majority of the parts under the hood like air-con compressor, steering rack, suspension, windscreen (low volume sales, very good chance it is not made locally) are very likely to be 'CBU' parts since it is not replaced with a locally made version.

CKD does not automatically means that most parts are local. You can knockdown the entire car, send it to Malaysia's assembly plant and just use local tyre and seats and that is considered as CKD while the rest of the car is original from overseas.
sleepwalker
post Jun 5 2014, 09:10 AM

Need sleep....
Group Icon
Staff
5,568 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: the lack of sleep


QUOTE(wayfeel @ Jun 4 2014, 09:57 PM)
get how about a v10 recon...alot cheaper, got dual transmission, family type hatch...and performance
*
I'm thinking exactly the same thing but what the heck do you mean by 'dual transmission'? tongue.gif
sleepwalker
post Jun 5 2014, 03:31 PM

Need sleep....
Group Icon
Staff
5,568 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: the lack of sleep


QUOTE(zenockl85 @ Jun 5 2014, 01:38 PM)
bro as ur mention parts in ur wrs sti sure hard get in malaysia ,dun forget ur car is a CBU & performance car ~ is a good news for u also still can get at nearest country even though cant get in malaysia ~ at least u know where can find the new 1 and period to waiting ~ try compare with other brand CBU performance car see how long u need to wait ~

for XV as CKD car ~ yes majority parts is from japan ~ but for parts as u mention about as i know windscreen , absorbers,  break pad , etc majorlity wear and tear parts also supply by local ~ all the CBU parts sure can least long time ~

u think go get a CKD project so easy meh ~ government so eazy approve u do CKD just import the parts and assembly here then sold as CKD price?? sure got some term and condition ~ if not XV can sell with current price with full spec version le ~
*
Dude.. my WRX is from MI so there's no excuse from MI to not have parts to service a car that they sold. I don't blame them if they don't have STi parts in which is why NONE of my STi buddies would even bother to go to MI.

The terms and conditions are not difficult, the more local parts used, the higher the rebate the gov gives back as incentives. It is not difficult to setup shop in Malaysia. It is just that people don't want to do it because there are better alternatives in Thailand (that is until they lost their gov). They also don't want to open shop here due to the 'unfair' incentives that Proton/Perodua gets form the Gov. The NAP also create havoc when the Gov changes their mind every 1-2 years. The recent removal of hybrid incentives for CKD hybrid at the end of 2015 was one of them and pretty much screwed up Honda as they are assembling the Jazz here. Mercedes just launched their CKD hybrid but that would meant they were setting their CKD hybrid in Malaysia last year before they announcement. I guess they are also screwed after 2015.
sleepwalker
post Jun 5 2014, 03:46 PM

Need sleep....
Group Icon
Staff
5,568 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: the lack of sleep


QUOTE(ReVolVolution @ Jun 5 2014, 03:29 PM)
Let me put it this way. Subaru is a cold brand in Malaysia. As a cold brand, the SAs need to be 200% better than those hot selling brands like H or T. You'll need to take the extra mile to satisfy your customers. Am sure that Subaru is giving higher commissions than those hot brands.

When I bought my scooby in 2010, I had a great SA. He went to the extra mile to ensure that I had a great trade in price. He called a few dealers and got me a great price on trade in and a good discount on the scooby. He ensured that I receive the best value and service. He did outshine as a SA. As a reward, I tipped him RM 500 on the day of my car collection! Yes, RM 500 in CASH for him! I know he had gotten commissions from the sale of the car as well as the 3M tint that I installed. However, good SAs like this is hard to find and I'm one who likes to reward people like this!

For the recent scooby SA, he didn't even bother to get quotations from other dealers and just say it's better for me to sell on my own. Come on. We are buying a car that's over RM 200k! This is the range of Mercedes and Beemers. People who buys this brand should come from above average income. At least show some courtesy by checking on the price OR at least be hungry for your own sales!

Anyway, I decided to keep my scooby and am now thinkiing of changing one of my other car to the new Merc W205. Sorry Motor Image Malaysia, you've lost a potential REPEAT customer.
*
You can always sell me your scooby if you don't want it and I promise I won't take it back to MI for servicing. tongue.gif

My friends recent encounter with a Honda SA reflects your sentiment of a good SA. She's trying to trade in her old Myvi (9 years) for the new City. Honda SA said their own ' Honda secondhand dealers' has no market for old Myvi but outstation might have. So they put in the extra effort to try to sell the car in Melaka, anywhere as long as it is outside of Kelang Valley to get a better trade-in price. At least they did not stuck up their noses and said that Myvi has no value go sell it yourself. Even H and T SAs are working extra hard to push their cars.

I always thought that trading up will always give better price when you bring the car back and trade it for a newer or better model. I guess that does not apply to Subaru. I guess my business is also going to grey importers too.
sleepwalker
post Jun 5 2014, 03:47 PM

Need sleep....
Group Icon
Staff
5,568 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: the lack of sleep


QUOTE(Xu3r @ Jun 5 2014, 03:35 PM)
The WRX STI 2015 is awesome
*
The new 2015 WRX is awesome... the 2015 WRX STi is not that awesome as it is using the old engine and drivetrain from the old Subaru WRX STi.
sleepwalker
post Jun 5 2014, 06:28 PM

Need sleep....
Group Icon
Staff
5,568 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: the lack of sleep


QUOTE(ReVolVolution @ Jun 5 2014, 05:58 PM)
Lotus is nice. You should also consider Cayman S as a weekend car too!  biggrin.gif
*
How did a topic that started with Camry, Accord, Teana and Legacy ended up with Cayman S? rclxub.gif

Hahahhahaha....

This post has been edited by sleepwalker: Jun 5 2014, 06:28 PM
sleepwalker
post Jun 6 2014, 09:15 AM

Need sleep....
Group Icon
Staff
5,568 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: the lack of sleep


QUOTE(OC4/3 @ Jun 6 2014, 01:37 AM)
TS want a weekend car leh laugh.gif
Weekend car=Something terrible impractical in my book
*
TS wanted D-Segment.. then got rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif by everybody here until Porsche Cayman S came out. rclxms.gif

This post has been edited by sleepwalker: Jun 6 2014, 09:23 AM
sleepwalker
post Jun 6 2014, 03:45 PM

Need sleep....
Group Icon
Staff
5,568 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: the lack of sleep


QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 6 2014, 02:06 PM)
is there specific reason why the new STI is using back old engine/drive train? not enough confidence for the new DIT/drivetrain systems?
*
Good question.. only Subaru can answer that. As for the drivetrain, there's always been a big difference between the WRX and WRX STi in the form of 2 LSDs and the DCCD. So you can almost say that the entire drivetrain is different from the standard WRX even in previous generations.

The 2015 WRX gets a new FA engine and gearbox but I guess they haven't have the chance to incorporate that into the STi.

Just like how they went from the GC8 to the New Age scooby. The DCCD wasn't incorporated in the V7 Bugeye STi except for the special types like S202, RA and Spec-C I think. However from V8 onwards all STi have the DCCD as standard.

So I guess we'd just have to wait and see. Maybe the S207 will have it..
sleepwalker
post Jun 6 2014, 04:39 PM

Need sleep....
Group Icon
Staff
5,568 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: the lack of sleep


QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 6 2014, 04:14 PM)
Arggggggghhhhhh! I warn you my dear good sir, I would have reported you to the admin for propagating automotive p0rn. But then, I am off weak and feeble mind and cannot resist looking at such wonderful p0rn. Hence, let's indulge in this automotive p0rn together.

Xuzen

p/s Motor Image said stock coming end of Dec. Launching and booking starts in Jul-14.
*
And it will be on the high end of 200K.. numbers are being thrown around at 276k to 296k... we'd just have to wait and see. Anything less than that will be a bonus.

 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0160sec    0.30    6 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 14th December 2025 - 08:51 PM