well it's crypto bull market. u plop down ur investment, by a few weeks you get back 20%+ returns. there is your funds for the purchase

*not financial advise


yeah 10bit is good even if it's 8bit + frc to achieve it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/animepiracy/commen...t_vid_in_anime/


*update

watching 10bit anime at 180hz HDR, no issues. it's smooth




I'm using MPC-HC video player using MAD+lavfilters. My presets are set for the 1080gtx, so yeah i don't have it set aggresively for quality. When my new gpu comes i can crank it up for sure. But even at the current setting, it works fine.

Yes i know it shows 67 drop frames, but that sort of thing happens when maximizing/minimizing. As long as it doesn't go up a lot and fast it should be fine.


*update

pro mode - sRGB is my favourite default setting. I left HDR on for now. According to youtubers, usually sRGB mode is best, but not all the time. But from my own observation, it looks well factory calibrated for me at this default setting. For watching videos, and gaming, i use this setting.

gamer mode - premium color. this is my 2nd favourite. The color is very saturated, you can already tell something is off. Having seen a properly calibrated monitor before, i can tell this is far from accurate, the colors way too vibrant. But it does give my desktop extra pop when i'm in the mood for it



Was playing around with the settings.






*notes: the monitor has night vision settings (which is basically a hack for gaming to view people better in darker scenes i'm guessing) but it's only available if you don't enable HDR. If you enable HDR, this setting goes missing from the UI, and only reappears once you disable hdr. I didn't bother testing this feature


I don't think there is a sleep mode for the monitor. for power button you can set to off, or standby.


That said, windows 11 can set monitor turn off display timer under power plan settings, so this really shouldn't be an issue. But to avoid burn ins, you may want to set it up.




*trying different settings

turned off HDR.

now it lets me adjust brightness and contrast.

the defaults were 70/70. I changed it to what someone else recommended



after making this adjustment i much liked the new brightness and contrast level. to be sure, i also redid the eizo test, didn't notice any big issues with it
https://www.eizo.be/monitor-test/

i have a feeling that colors can still be further tuned, but i don't have a colorimeter on hand. also it's not the point that i am grossed out by it and wishing to switch back to pro mode - sRGB. I'll test this for now.


noticed that if you disable hdr, it reverts to 8bit. so i went to nvidia control panel then enable the 10bit from there. close the video, reopen now it's properly 10bit again but without hdr.



in the monitor settings for image, color, i tried cool and warm, neither seemed right to me. looked at custom, by default it's all 50 out of 100 for RGB. From what i read, if you plan to adjust the color, only change 2 (not all 3 color bars) when tuning. And only change value down under only as your starting point (never change values above the default, in this case 50 value).






http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/gamma_calibration.php

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/learn/how-to...onitor-settings


*update

for this monitor, for the best manual adjustment, you have to use the mode set to user. If you don't it locks you out of adjust some of the important settings to then use presets (probably factory calibrated).

So i've been manually adjusting using the mode user, looks better after some fine tunning.




doesn't seem to be a gamma adjustment for msi monitors. all i could find on this was this
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threads/...monitor.366373/


so if you get a msi monitor, just expect you won't be able to adjust the gamma value in settings.


good explanation about the msi settings for this monitor. one thing that seemed different, i did not see an eco mode not that it matters since you probably won't be wanting to use it (most anyway). Out of all the videos, this one probably is the best to help you adjust the settings on this MSI monitor.


for this monitor (he is probably using a different model) i also noticed the brighter red. so lowering that slightly fixed the issue.


for final test i used this. looked fine to me



in summary, user mode is the way to go, it's worth taking the time to manual adjust.

If you don't have time, then the pro mode sRGB is probably the next best option.

third option i saw was premium color (but the color especially red felt too saturated. so you might be grossed out by it)



*more testing

after doing the color calibration on user mode, then tested apex legends again, now seems to be playable



is it because i am using user mode? no idea, but it works.

It's not quite steady 150+ fps but we expected that on this gpu but at least it's a playable setting for 1440p even with such an old gpu. still recommend upgrading to something better.

my pick is either a second hand RX 6800 XT (released in 2020), OR a brand new RX 7800 XT (released in 2023). The newer card cost more obviously, but the performance is roughly about the same for 1440p. However the newer gpu has AV1 encoding, but the former only has decoding. If you plan to do streaming while gaming, get the newer gpu. The newer gpu also uses less power (not as efficient as nvidia, but better than nothing)

The GRE gpu looks like terrible value cost 10% more for just barely 10% extra performance compared to the 7800 XT.






doing the ufo vrr test did not notice any smear or ghosting. i'm using response time fast, and 180hz. user mode.



normal and fast response time setting works. though i recommend fastest since it works without issue.

However, fastest DO NOT USE. Lots of ghosting and very obvious


point is, the ufos go blazing fast without looking weird. unless you got 20/20 vision, but for my eyes i can't see any glaringly big issues with this setting.


*recap summary of my review




also used this to test
https://lcdtech.info/en/tests/dead.pixel.htm








*update

more apex legends testing. this time i maxed out the graphics in apex legends. nvidia control panel is still performance. it's quite playable. When i initially had this setting, the game kept acting weird with stutter freezes. Things seemed to have resolved after using DDU to do a fully clean reinstall for latest nvidia drivers for the 1080 GTX. Also after doing further setting adjustments e.g. switching to user mode, and doing color calibration, and other tweaking in nvidia settings. Don't know which of this did the trick, but now i can get at least this much fps using my old graphics card.



Even my apex legend score speaks for itself while testing the monitor I wouldn't have been able to perform if i had much issues.


*update

more testing with apex legends settings
https://www.setup.gg/game/apex-legends/best-video-settings/




wtf... there is also another setting here to use the directx 12 beta instead of dx11. also have to put a command in the launcher as well

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Mar 5 2024, 12:50 AM

this was interesting

LG 27" 27GP850 UltraGear QHD HDR400 Nano IPS 1ms 180Hz G-Sync FreeSync Virtually Borderless Gaming Monitor


noticed in description it says it has Low Framerate Compensation
https://mybuyingguide.com/what-is-low-frame...e-compensation/

this is a key tech you want to have.





for the MSI i got i didn't see this mentioned for this model.


However, doing some digging



https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcmonitors/c...omment/kpkojm1/




MSI MAG274QRF-QD Review: 1440p 165Hz 1ms IPS FreeSync Gaming Monitor
https://www.displayninja.com/msi-mag274qrf-qd-review/





Dynamic refresh rate technology: G-Sync Compatible, AMD FreeSync Premium
https://www.msi.com/Monitor/Optix-MAG274QRF-QD/Specification


versus

Dynamic refresh rate technology: Adaptive Sync


Could this mean that the MSI MAG274QRF QD E2 might now have this LFC? But they did say it was a direct replacement for that specific model. Yet in both it specification it did not mention having LFC. Does anyone know how to test this to confirm?






is this sufficient to test this?
https://www.testufo.com/vrr#photo=alien-inv...=1&fullscreen=1


oo i get it now. In this screenshot notice the refresh rate hz doubled when it dipped below that fps




So that is how you would test if you have LFC or not. You can toggle the monitor to display this info while you are testing.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Mar 4 2024, 07:35 PM

LFC is not a new thing, if ur monitor support freesync premium then it will have LFC. U can check ur monitor freesync range, LFC kicks in when the framerate below ur monitor minimum freesync refresh rate.

Dont need to mention, cos already mention freesync premium 😂

This post has been edited by ben3003: Mar 4 2024, 07:35 PM

where does it say freesync premium for this model? i only saw adaptive sync mentioned only for the MAG 274QRF QD E2

ok so the MSI MAG274QRF-QD has freesync premium so clear as day, good *golf clap. But what i am trying to ask here, what about the successor (MSI said this themselves) the MSI MAG 274QRF QD E2 which does not have freesync premium mentioned anywhere (at least i couldn't find it maybe you can elaborate since you know?). It simply states adaptive sync, that's it. This is what i am trying to find out here

anyway i cranked up to ultra settings to check fps drop below 45 and see what refresh rate values do. If it has lfc it probably double double in the hz value according to the youtuber

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Mar 4 2024, 08:56 PM

someone mentioned some 240hz ips monitors worth looking at
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcmonitors/c...omment/ktanhtp/


did not find any availability for this MSI and Gigabyte.






But some of the other recommendations is available









the ASUS TUF VG27AQML1A reviewers ghost test shows red. mine shows yellow So i was trying to investigate about that, and saw this
https://www.reddit.com/r/PcBuild/comments/1..._and_wont_sync/

i don't use that software, but i use trident lightning so i uninstalled that wondering if it would change anything it didn't. but i have rebooted yet.

anyway, ingame, and watching youtube, mpc-hc, i just don't have issues to be honest


initially i did, but doing a clean reinstall for nvidia drivers and optiziming settings, those issues went away.


also spotted this but watch the review




anyway overall, what i can see here, just an extra RM 500-600 ish you can bump up from a MAG 274QRF QD E2 (which is a 1440p 180hz IPS) to a 240hz ( similar specs e.g. 1440p 27'' ips with gsync/freesync/async ) to the LG model. No glaringly bad issue with LG other than it's also fake hdr, no local dimming (just like every other monitor in this price bracket to be fair. Only exception is the AOC which is a rarity but even that has a lower refresh rate and is a VA panel)

the cheapest option for 240hz is the Acer, but the reviewer said it's not worth buying due to quality issues, so i wouldn't chance it Next up is the Asus, there is no professional reviews, but i saw the guy attempting the ufo test and got red flashes (only got yellow flashes on my MSI), don't know what's going on there maybe need more reviews on it. Next up is the LG. The youtuber said the LG is better than the MSI G274QPX, but the MSI supposedly is cheaper, but i couldn't find this in stock locally). also i could not find any availability for the gigabyte either, another possible alternative (if not mistaken the LG has HDMI 2.1 ports, but the Gigabyte uses HDMI 2.0).


So either spend roughly RM1300 for a 27'' 1440p 180hz ips monitor, or bump it up to RM1700-2000 for a 240hz of that, OR go even further about Rm 3k+ for an oled 240hz gaming monitor. That is what it boils down to.

There are options below that like the AOC Q27G3XMN for good real HDR with excellent local dimming, however is a VA panel and i did not see availability anywhere local.

Cheaper options below that are the 24'' 1080p resolution 144hz -165hz IPS gaming monitors, something like RM300-600 roughly. If you can afford to get a good graphics card for 1440p, i would suggest bumping up your budget for the RM 1k (or 2k for the 240hz)


That sums it up if your looking for a gaming monitor in 2024 at those price brackets

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Mar 5 2024, 07:03 AM

Hi,
Can recommend me monitor.
Using Dell ST2320L almost 10 years now.
Right side of the screen becoming patchy.
Mostly for web, youtube, Words, Excel and no gaming at all.
Looking at 24" vs 27" Dell U and S series and viewing distance 60cm.
Thanks.


Edit: end up buying Xiaomi G27i.
Thank guys

This post has been edited by free2d: Mar 8 2024, 01:53 PM

more testing with the MAG 274QRF QD E2 settings



i use this as reference to get an idea how to manually adjust (the recommendation is like half way down the review)
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/msi-op...color-gamut-yet


instead of messing with the colors, they recommended using the normal color preset. after tinkering before, i also think they are right. if you have a colorimeter you for sure can go manually adjust but if you don't, you might be better off just doing that.

HDR mode - turn it off


gaming - game mode - user
professional mode - user or sRGB. I use user cause then i can manually adjust the brightness and contrast.


response time - fast (fastest isn't good, i tried it)


contrast - 70




in the screenshot they did adjust the RGB hence color - customized. But like they said they barely notice the difference though they made the changes from the normal preset. Not to mention that is a slightly different model than the QD E2, so to be safe can always just stick to the default normal color preset. Looking at it, looks fine to me.

as for the brightness explanation e.g. brightness 51 = 200 nit.


for contrast/brightness can use this guide to manually calibrate
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/learn/how-to...onitor-settings


then for verification

https://lcdtech.info/en/tests/dead.pixel.htm

https://www.eizo.be/monitor-test/

http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/

https://www.testufo.com/vrr#photo=quebec.jp...=ramp&compare=0


MAG 274QRF QD E2 this model has sRGB mode, is it that the prevous model didn't have it? another thing it didn't have was KVM. this one does.



This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Mar 7 2024, 01:40 AM

By the way, any news about availability and price for the AOC Q27G3XMN (180Hz 1440p VA 27'') monitor?

lots of positives in the review. Mostly comments on the concerns about this monitor considering it's a VA panel tech


positive but also nitpicks and illustrates some of the issues you may encounter with the monitor

Monitor in Malayia seems like very quiet.

Cept for Samsung, MSI, LG, Asus

*just an update

MAG 274QRF QD E2

with RX 7800 XT

AMD 5600X cpu (AM4 platform)


i tested this setup and it's good at maxing out for 1440p gaming using this monitor.

posted my gaming results here
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=109294004


This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Mar 7 2024, 11:23 PM

is it worth to buy ASUS VG27AQL3A at rm799?

QHD, 180Hz.

Asus. Obamanotbad.png for the price

Check out some reviews

can share where you found it at 799?

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/716EDOY...L70_FMwebp_.jpg

This monitor power connector cord is non-orientation right? No face up or face down.

looking for 21:9 or 32:9 monitor
to switch out my current viewsonic 32 2K 75hz ips, and probably the second monitor Acer 24 FHD 144hz TN.

budget 3K+-

I'm using a gigabyte g27q 27 inch atm, planning to get another same size or slightly bigger monitor

What is the current favourite among buyers right now, budget ~1k

https://www.lowyat.net/2024/319021/msi-mala...aming-monitors/


As I expected, around RM6000. And it's MAG model instead of MPG model. FYI, MAG model doesn't provide firmware update. A high end monitor that unable to update firmware and cost more than RM6000? How about NO Thanks.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/commen...led_mag_271qpx/

Obviously, MSI is treating Malaysia as third world country. What a dissapointment. Why the hell they choose to launch MAG model instead of MPG model? Probably assumed that most Malaysia buyers are not tech savvy.

This post has been edited by Max2006: Mar 21 2024, 12:09 PM

I immediately contacted Dell last week to request a quote for AW2725DF after checked out MSI Malaysia store page daily and found out they put MAG 271QPX for RM4299 for preorder.


Like seriously, not only they didn't bother to bring MPG version (I'm not interested with MAG 27" at all due to lack of firmware updates), they even put the price of RM4299 (it's $749 in the US) which is RM5.74 per dollar.
Even their RM3999 MSI Claw that already expensive (its US$799 in the US or RM5 per dollar) is better price ratio than this monitor.

In comparison, Dell AW2725DF with US$899 and it's RM3599 here which basically RM4 per dollar only.

Honestly I prefer MPG 27" mainly for USB-C PD 90W, KVM and fanless design with their supposedly cheaper than Dell in the US (ofc after sales Dell is better). But with this stupid MSI Malaysia pricing, Dell is obviously no-brainer.

Won't consider MSI at all after this.

This post has been edited by shadowzephyr: Mar 21 2024, 08:44 PM

basically DOA. the MPG variant is only selling at $950 in US. and MSI malaysia selling MAG at more than the US MSRP. brave indeed

If not mistaken MAG 32 or 49 can upgrade firmware. Others then no.

This post has been edited by AthrunIJ: Mar 21 2024, 02:25 PM