hi sifu2,

Am looking for an engagement ring. After going through some basic study, i've found one this diamond GIA 1329776213, with HCA score 1.6.
although the pavilion angle is 41.0 (more than the max 40.9 sifu kambing provided), but this is one which is nearest to what i could found at this moment. still continuing my search for better diamond possible.

Would appreciate if any sifu could give some advice on this piece..

Thanks thanks.

Btw, if there any saying that if the size of a diamond is smaller, then there will be more difficult to get a better cut?

Actually 41 degree can work too. 40.9 is more like safety net. After seeing the report though, this diamond is not a Triple Excellent diamond. Polish is just Very Good.

As far as virtual/supplier inventory is concerned, on the contrary, I have much harder time getting good big carats rather than smaller carats. We can always find decent 0.3, 0.4, 0.5ct diamonds in virtual inventory. After 0.5ct, things start to become rarer.

I believe you have seen the diamond, how do you think? And what's the price like?

kambingkoh, do you have tips when we get the ring for the first time? what kind of inspection we can do, such as checking if the diamond GIA is correct(any laser inscribe?), is the prong holding securely, workmanship of the setting etc.

And what do you think about 4,5 or 6 prong for 0.4c diamond? I read in FB that a local jewelry chain store's setting quality is not good even with 4 prongs, and a number of customers lost the diamond due to poor workmanship.

This post has been edited by kenloh7: Sep 18 2019, 01:26 PM

1. Yes, it is a must to check on the inscription. Usually jewellers can provide you a loupe or microscope to have a look. This is usually what you should do first.

2. For how to check on prongs, I can't give you any professional comments as I am not one. But what I will do is to pay attention closely to how symmetrical are the prongs, to make sure it is aesthetically pleasing as well as grabbing the diamond evenly on each side. I may also touch the diamond with a tweezer or something similar a little bit to make sure the diamond is not wobbly. Lastly, I will see if the prongs cover "enough" diamond area or not, if I "feel" not enough, then I will voice out my concern.

3. If you want a more secure grip, 6 prongs with basket is quite secure if you ask me. But personally, I still prefer 4 prongs with basket for diamond at 0.4ct. This is just my own preference, you can see the designs and see which one you prefer yourself.

4. As for losing diamond after setting it, I heard before too. But again, who is responsible is something hard to proof. So, if someone plans to wear everyday, maybe 6 prongs and a basket is a safer option. Changing the ring head to platinum may increase the diamond's security as it won't break that easily when knock against something, like a wall. Example:
https://www.whiteflash.com/engagement-rings...id=myengringexp (affiliate link).

Hope this helps.

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Sep 18 2019, 02:03 PM

Wow... you are cool as in you do know the brands by looking at the specs...alright... can we lk bargain bout the price when purchase the lovemarque since u said that it’s overpriced...I have read some of the forums saying they did bargain but with other brands.... the setting is just normal band without diamonds...

Sifu, what do you think of this GIA 7243378671 ? It’s from solitaire club Wah Chan.
Can you do the rendering for me too ?

If you have yet to bargain, and just look at the price tag, it is certainly a marked-up price, so like most chain jewellery shop, they expect you to bargain.

If we buy online, below 6k, we can settle for something at 0.3ct D colour and VVS quality already together with 18k white gold solitaire ring. For instance, this one:
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp (affiliate link).

Add on a RM 1499 ring from Memory Jewellery: https://memoryjewellery.com/category/engagement-ring/

Of course, this is provided you are comfortable buying online and doing some footwork.

Nice proportions. If cut quality is good, will perform better than typical stones that you can from Wah Chan. Did you go and compare with their standard GIA stones that is not under solitaire club?

I will render it later. Give me some time.

Pls remember that rendering is based on estimation only. It does not really represent the real thing. Based on the proportions, I am sure the rendered image will be pretty good.

Dear Sifu, I see that it is 40.8 vs 35 (instead of 34.5). And yes the sales personnel explained to me this is solitaire club and hence they only sell those stones with good cut.

This is 0.36c and the price is only rm 300 cheaper than the first one I showed you few days back.

However, he mentioned to me, no discount and the price shown is final :/

This post has been edited by christcwl9: Sep 18 2019, 10:19 PM


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after you mentioned the polish is Very Good (instead of excellent), only I noticed that. previously only focus on the cut - Excellent. A Triple Excellent diamond is referring to their Cut, Symmetry & Polish?

How about the ratio of this piece in terms of giving the fire, brightness & Scintillation?

I have yet to see the physical diamond as yet to visit them. The price is RM 2500+ for the diamond itself.

Here you go. Please remember this is assuming the cut quality is high.



The price for the 0.3x ct diamonds will be pretty similar to what you can get from WhiteFlash, or maybe just slightly more expensive. But buying from physical store will have few main benefits:
1. You get to see the stone itself, as well as the workmanship for the ring.
2. GIA cert is still the most famous cert.
3. You get discount for polishing of the ring every few years. I think is around RM 30 if you buy from Wah Chan. Find out more from the seller. Maybe Solitaire Club diamonds will have free lifetime.

4*. For this diamond, it is slightly bigger than the other 0.36ct of the same carat weight, like this one: https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=2336364915 (more on this later).

Now the cons:
1. Since we cannot see the Hearts, all we can do is verify the arrows, which is usually well-aligned, but for the Hearts, usually it won't be that easy to align.

Your other options with the condition:
1. You don't need to see the actual stone.

You can actually save RM 1000 or more if you know where to get and do your own footwork, for example, this diamond: https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=2336364915. The supplier stated that this diamond is Hearts & Arrows 100%. And this supplier usually cut pretty good diamonds, usually near Hearts & Arrows, when compare to cutters like Brian Gavin Diamonds or WhiteFlash, if you want to be strict. The listed price on Memory Jewellery is RM3,210.00 for the diamond alone. Similar design for ring setting will cost around RM 1,499.00. So total will be RM 4709.00. And... you still can negotiate on the price a bit. Cert wise, this diamond is actually GIA VS1.

This is the render:


Currently Memory Jewellery team should be in Hong Kong for jewellery fair. I think if you get in touch with them in time, they can directly get the diamond from the supplier right there.

The benefit from buying from Memory Jewellery is:
1. Cheaper price of course.
2. Friendly staff and free lifetime polishing.
3. They have an office at Sentul, whereby you can go there and collect your ring.

The cons:
1. You can't see the diamond yourself. The supplier also did not provide any images as of now.

Of course, you don't have to rush things, just give it a thought. Buy wherever you feel comfortable with. This is the most important. But if you did buy from them, do mention Yang Kin introduce you, I may get some commission... hopefully (they don't have any sort of tracking system for all these referrals).

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Sep 18 2019, 11:25 PM

I can't search the cert in GIA site currently as I think it is either under heavy load / maintenance. Do you recall the basic 4Cs?

If I recall correctly, this diamond seems to have a shallower crown angle, around 33.5 degree I think? I would say that this diamond may favour slightly more towards brightness. And again, if I can recall correctly, this diamond has a slightly wide table and it is also not that deep. Overall, if you ask me, if the diamond is very well-cut, it can perform well, despite being slightly out of ACA standards : https://www.whiteflash.com/a-cut-above-diam...id=myengringexp (affiliate link).

Now, again, the condition is that "if the diamond is very well-cut". Can you see the physical stone?

I do need to highlight that personally, the Very Good polish turns me down.

Update:
Just managed to open the GIA site. This diamond has pretty okay overall proportions, not the best, but can work. Diamond may favour brightness more due to shallow crown and wide table. Overall, price is okay and seems reasonable enough for me. But still, the fact that it is not triple excellent may turn some people down.

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Sep 19 2019, 01:08 AM

Sifu, any website to read & study for diamond and able have overview understanding...

ayam first time buy.. but takut kena tipu or buy low quality

https://niceice.com/
https://beyond4cs.com/
https://www.prosumerdiamonds.com/
Or my blog: http://www.myengagementringexperience.com/?m=1

1. Diamonds are not like gold, whereby gold price can increase over time and possess more value. You can resell it though but will have some losses, usually. In other words, it is not an investment tool unless you know what you are doing.

2. Diamonds are not needed for marriage. A normal bands will do for signing ceremony and vow exchange.

3. Diamonds are more for sentimental purpose.

4. There is a high premium on branded engagement ring. If you are happy getting a branded engagement ring, it is certainly okay, as different people has different preferences. But, if you want something to maximize on carat size or performance, it will be best buying diamonds that do not have too much branding, like a GIA graded diamond. In fact, GIA is the world's defacto standard.

Of course, these days it has become like a tool for proposal, so if you are getting one, prepare a budget and stick to it.

What is the differences of earth & lab created diamond.. i believe lab is human create diamond.. but there must be some differences.. interm of quality or etc.

They have the same chemical properties... There is something slightly different that can be detected with some tool, but as far as what humans can see, they are the same. Their grading reports will be different though, so I won't be worry paying the price of a natural diamond but getting a lab diamond.

In terms of quality, lab diamonds can easily become type2 diamond, Type 2 diamond is the rarer type of diamond if earth-mined.

In terms of quality, there can be good and bad ones, just like natural diamonds. In other words, they are literally diamonds, just without the long history of formation in the earth crust. It has been gaining popularity in recent years possibly because of its cheaper price per carat, guaranteed conflict-free, and no differences compared to comparable earth-mined diamonds. In fact, a forumer here did buy a lab grown diamond.

Overall, a Diamonds performance is highly dependent on the quality of the rough diamond, the quality of the cut, and the final inclusion details of the diamond - whether it is too cloudy, milky, or looks sleepy and unattractive. Lab grown or not, doesn't matter.

And Zcova is throwing down the gauntlet to beat competitors price, even if it is a price for wedding fair:

https://www.facebook.com/775461832580869/po...57456451048059/

Finally my 0.304ct E VS2 Black by Brian Gavin is here!

Once cleaning it with soap, performance is so damn good.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid...499356163766575

duly noted bro. will visit the store and check it out in real and other selections as well. hope that i could find a suitable one soon. thanks sifu for the advice.

that was really nice. can i know how much does this cost you?

https://www.myengagementringexperience.com/...in-round-2.html - RM 3314.81 (just for the stone).