One U don't have that collection. Try to to Wisma WAH Chan.

I paid a visit to Venessa Diamonds in Penang, their prices are pretty competitive as Wah Chan.
If anyone wants a nice setting with a number of GIA inventory stones, can pay a visit there. They even accept loose GIA diamonds from outside to pair with their setting (around RM900-RM1400 for basic ones).

Nice.

hi sifu, want to understand where and guide to get value for money diamond stone for proposal...went to see a jeweller, round 1.1ct F VS1 excellent start from 3x,xxx, I want advice on what to compromise to lower the total budget. or if there are other sources of stone for price comparison. maybe im thinking of 25+- k can get 1.0x ct G princess cut yet still look equally good? cuz still got 2x wedding band, and the work cost for the setting for the stone....

Lower the colour. Opt for blue fluorescence stone. Choose stone with no negative impact.

https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds...?a_aid=myengexp (affiliate link).

Blue fluorescence can make warmer colour stone looks whiter.

You still need to add on a ring too. Overall, I think will be less than 30k. Of course, there are cheaper ones, like this one:
https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds...?a_aid=myengexp (affiliate link). Warmer colour, but bigger stone.

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Sep 24 2019, 07:18 PM

Dropped by another Wah Chan to look at Solitaire Club. Based on budget and preference could only narrow down to these 2:

GIA 2257709073 (HCA Score: 3.7)
GIA 5263501609 (HCA Score: 0.9)

Comparing it with my previous post

GIA 2308060014 (HCA Score: 1.8)

Can i know if the scoring difference is mostly due to better crown angles?

This post has been edited by teanu: Sep 24 2019, 08:31 PM

GIA 2257709073 steep crown and steep pavilion pairing kills it.

GIA 5263501609 good proportions. Pairing of crown and pavilion is nice.

GIA 2308060014 crown is steep, but pavilion is shallow. So higher score than stone 1.

So to answer your question, the relationship between the crown and pavilion serves as one of the factors to determine the final HCA score.

Diamond A, I like this, but the price is truly steep..

https://agslab.com/ym-vdgr/diamonds/1041076.../grading-report


Can see that B is not that good, due to no light at 7 o'clock, am I right?
https://agslab.com/ym-vdgr/diamonds/1041076.../grading-report

Bro kambing can help me to see? Still in dilemma to choose from WF or direct buy in shop, but we can't see ASET photos like these..


My budget is 6K best include settings.. I know the above choices over budget already.. but I don't mind to spend more a bit, if the diamond is good..
At zcova, can get 0.2-0.3 carat D at only 3k++ which is good.. should be much cheaper than WF.

My location is in Penang

This post has been edited by cococonutseller: Sep 25 2019, 12:47 AM

The 7 o'clock is just technically not that good. Usually won't play too major role. The proportions play a more important role if you ask me. Anyway, I like the proportions of the first diamond more.

Try this? https://black.briangavindiamonds.com/diamon...?a_aid=myengexp (affiliate link). G VS1 40-pointer. At least close to your budget.

Thanks bro kambing, sorry a few more questions..

1. The D Color/ G color, VVS1/VS1 difference significant?
2. I like the proportionate cutting of hearts and arrows that recommended by you, but the differences are sacrificing the color and clarity correct?
3. How long does it take for WF or Brian Gavin to deliver to Msia? 1-2 weeks?
4. How long to make setting usually? (Average time) How can we prevent the setting maker swap our diamond? (Worry this part!)
5. Is there any part we can do to identify WF/BG sent us a genuine (correct) diamond?

Sorry for lengthy questions.. wish you good day...

Edit : found out Black BG diamond usually have good cut, but dont have so much choices.. myself is so obsessed with the color and clarity rating... aiya

This post has been edited by cococonutseller: Sep 25 2019, 09:31 AM

1. To me, no. Can see a bit when compared side-by-side. Diamond colour is usually on the body of the diamond, not facing up. Clarity is more tricky, I believe location of the inclusion and the colour of the inclusion plays a role in determining the final price. But VS1 to me is a good choice to be mind-clean. It is my preferred clarity if you ask me. You see, diamonds are graded by humans, so one human is different from another. One may think a stone is VS1, the other may think the stone is VVS2, yet another may think the stone is VS2. It is possible. I have seen cutters grade their stones one grade different compared to what GIA grades them. Sometimes they match, sometimes they don't. Sometimes cutter grades one grade lower, sometimes GIA grades one grade lower. In conclusion, grade discrepancies can happen, so I really can't be bothered by it. With the high resolution videos provided, I will slowly move the stone around and see if I am comfortable with the stone clarity or not. Or if no videos provided, then I will be comfortable sticking to VS1. The same thing can be said for colour too. I heard GIA are using machine these days to grade, but maybe not in a high scale. Until we have reached that kind of stability in terms of grading technology, do expect there can be differences in terms of grades even if the same stone is sent back to the same lab.

2. Yes. Sacrificing colour and clarity. G is a good choice because it may get an "upgrade" if it is to be graded again. If yes, then G becomes F. However, it may also go the other way round, whereby G becomes H. How I look at it is that if upgrade, then I get into colourless range, whereby if downgrade, I will still be within near colourless range. Seems like a bargain. Will say the same for clarity of VS1 too.

3. Usually 1 week, but subject to holidays on both sides. Loose diamonds are tax-free.

4. Allow 3 to 4 weeks for setting. This will be a comfortable duration. You can ask the jeweler to record down the laser inscription of the diamond on the receipt or invoice. They can see the inscription via a microscope or loupe. When you get your ring, request to see the inscription again and make sure they match. By all means, find a reputable one. In reality, they have not much gain by swapping your diamond because the original cert is with you.

5. Well, I never bother examining them before. I usually trust the volume of reviews. Of course, if you are worry, some jewellers has a tester that can test the diamond. Just make sure the tester device is a high quality one. Some devices can't distinguish between a normal diamond and a mossanite. Also, grading labs won't issue report to a fake diamond. Also grading labs have a different report for lab-grown diamonds too. Both companies have been in this industry for some time, so I don't think they want to spoil their reputation by selling fake stones.

PM me if you want local recommendations instead. So far there is one stone available that I am interested, however, I don't have the actual picture. Nonetheless, the Indian supplier stated it is 100% H&A. I usually take this with a pinch of salt, but this supplier cuts some pretty decent stones, so it should be at least close to Hearts & Arrows. This is the stone I source from the supplier. Video taken using Mi9T with flash light.

https://www.facebook.com/myengringexp/video...06089009530703/
Description can be found here: http://www.myengagementringexperience.com/...ossibility.html

Do expect some variance though. And do expect the stone may not be available too since this is a virtual inventory. But it is still good to ask if you want a decent stone.

You can get this stone via Memory Jewellery - https://memoryjewellery.com, which can provide you with all the necessary service, from sourcing stone to creation of ring setting. Price will be below RM 6000 for sure, but for resizing, you may need to discuss with them.

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Sep 25 2019, 12:30 PM

Thank you very much for detailed explanation, As myself is located in Penang, I don't have good access to go Memory Jewellery to do setting.. I have searched through their diamond collection and found the following two:

GIA 6285725690 - 0.5 CT - color G - RM6K
GIA-6305507974 - 0.3 CT - Color G - RM3K


For white flash, their diamonds seems more expensive but in terms of 4C looks very good

Found these 3, 0.3 ct - within budget, quite similar?
AGS-104107078019 - $1,125
AGS-104107078008 - $1,125
AGS-104107078004 - $1,125


What do you think of the above 3 if compared to the one below ?

Based on the image, still feel this looks best, (same as previous post diamond A)
AGS-104107612008 - $1,500



Planning to get the diamond first then I'll look for local shop to make the setting.. I can't go to KL for setting. For the virtual Inventory, are there certificate from GIA or AGS? The Indian seller is freelance cutter?

Edit : I don't mind to drop 1 colour for higher carat, but dont go too low like K 😂😂


P.s.

https://black.briangavindiamonds.com/diamon...?a_aid=myengexp (affiliate link). G VS1 40-pointer.

-- just curious, this one the heart 2PM and 5PM seems a bit not symmetrical, correct?

This post has been edited by cococonutseller: Sep 25 2019, 03:33 PM

GIA 6285725690 - 0.5 CT - color G - RM6K -> Crown too steep.
GIA-6305507974 - 0.3 CT - Color G - RM3K -> Pavilion too steep. This pairing with crown angle, confirm leak light.

The one I picked is not like these at all. Virtual inventory has a mixture of good and not-so-good diamonds. The one I picked is considered good, these are not-so-good.

If you look at the reports, the diamonds seem to be having some green at the back of the table. Better cut ones will be fully red. I see if there are any recommendations later.
AGS-104107078019 - $1,125
AGS-104107078008 - $1,125
AGS-104107078004 - $1,125

AGS-104107612008 - $1,500 -> Yes, this is the best among all your choices.

Planning to get the diamond first then I'll look for local shop to make the setting.. I can't go to KL for setting. For the virtual Inventory, are there certificate from GIA or AGS? The Indian seller is freelance cutter? -> This one is from Virtual Inventory, that's why it may not even be there when someone decides to buy it. Virtual Inventory won't have AGS most likely. Most of them are GIA graded diamonds. Some are IGI, some are for ForeverMark retailer to purchase. Yup, ForeverMark diamonds are cut by some cutters that cut virtual inventory stones too. The Indian cutter I am referring to is actually a sightholder. A sightholder is a company that is authorized to purchase rough diamonds from DeBeers directly. Other smaller players will need to purchase from sightholders or find their own way of obtaining rough diamonds. So, nope, not a freelancer! LOL. It is a very well-established company that sell caratssss.

As for the Brian Gavin piece, you are referring to the gap between the Hearts and the arrow pointer? For the 5 o'clock position, I can agree with you. But Brian Gavin handpicked this diamonds into the Black collection, so I trust his judgement... and the gap is really nothing major, but understand that you want the best possible diamond, so it is certainly okay to pick on that. In reality, I will tend to focus more on crown and pavilion angle mostly. If the pairing is a very good complement with each other, then the diamond can perform well. Together with IdealScope and ASET, we can know whether the diamond can perform well or not.

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Sep 25 2019, 11:26 PM

ZCOVA is throwing a promo for 0.3ct diamonds. at E VVS2, graded by GIA, it is certainly worthwhile for those who are on a tight budget.

Their diamond selection should be pretty good compared to what you can get at this price in brick-and-mortar.

With interest-free installment program available, one will not need to burn a hole just to propose. Excellent choice for those who are budget-conscious.

Mention that "Yang Kin introduce you" can get you RM 50 off. Do let me know if it is not working though.

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Sep 25 2019, 11:39 PM

[WTS] 0.41ct E VVS2 GIA-1333554792 Hearts & Arrows Diamond

For those who are looking for a GIA grade Hearts & Arrows diamond, I am going to sell this one at RM 4900.

It will be a physical stone available that is available for viewing. Currently, pending supplier to receive funds and waiting for item to be shipped. Should be able to receive within 2 weeks. So do expect the stone to be available for viewing around mid of October.

Yes, you can get better deals elsewhere, but do consider the cut quality and the proportions of this diamond.

Dealing method will be solely COD. Laser inscription will be shown to you using microscope.

https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=1...s=1569489655327





Interested party do drop me a PM.

Here is another good stone from virtual inventory!

https://www.myengagementringexperience.com/...uorescence.html

Zcova websites down ? Yesterday also cannot access

They are in the midst of upgrading their website. Stay tune.

https://www.facebook.com/775461832580869/po...72484316211939/

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Sep 29 2019, 07:13 PM

And... ZCOVA's website (affiliate link) is up and running again!



I really like the new colour tone. Subtle yet elegant.

Of course, you got to love their 360 degree technology:



Understandbly, this is provided that the supplier provides these videos. Notice the 360 degree icon at the bottom right of each diamond? Btw, the diamonds shown are not really the ones that ZCOVA will really recommend you due to the poor cut quality and obvious inclusions. I am including them JUST for reference to the 360 degree icon.



I really like their Engagement Ring page. Excited to see ZCOVA Designs category. Of course, you can still customize your rings with your own vision too.



And I like how BIG the pictures are.



Overall, a welcoming approach to their new website. I like the refreshing clean and sleek new look. This step takes the company even further to compete against the international market, especially similar concept ones like James Allen and BlueNile. In fact, as far as Malaysia is concerned, I think no one does it better considering the usability and the information provided on the website. Their virtual inventory supplier should also be one of the biggest in Malaysia. Although I do not have a solid statistics, but ZCOVA has a very high chance to be able to buy any diamonds from suppliers worldwide, PROVIDED that the particular diamond is not EXCLUSIVE to a particular vendor, such as TRUE HEARTS for James Allen and ASTOR for BlueNile. I won't expect seeing ZCOVA to lock down diamonds exclusively to them anytime soon, but I think without locking them down gives them the flexibility to offer the best possible price for the customers. And talking about price, they are very aggressive lately and having a price match guarantee that really works.

In case you are wondering what is virtual inventory, it is actually a global network where all the suppliers list the diamonds for sale. These diamonds won't reach the usual consumers, but will be listed for sales by different jewelers around the world. The jewelers won't stock any inventory and all the diamonds will be with the suppliers' side. Hence, these jewelers can usually sell diamonds at at cheaper price than a brick-and-mortar that stocks inventory. ZCOVA does have their own showroom in Kota Damansara area and they own that place, not renting it, so it is highly unlikely for them to just shut the whole company down and go bye-bye.

Anyway, I will suggest those that are interested to make an appointment with them and see what they are capable of. Telling them that "Yang Kin" introduce you might help you get an additional RM 50 off, and at the same time I may earn some commission.

Time to get some sleep.

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Oct 1 2019, 02:38 AM

Im surveying wedding band but not able to make it to retail one by one. Any preferable store that I can find a pair of band within Rm3k? Appreciate your reply. Thanks