A 2004 diamond with no Cut grade, with Polish at Good and Symmetry at Very Good, and without any proportions? My guess is between USD 400 - USD 500. You can just research on BlueNile (https://www.bluenile.com) for the price of a similar carat size stone but with 3EX (triple excellent). Just put your price lower than the lowest one. TBH, it is hard to sell this diamond because it is lack of vital details and there are so many 3EX in the market now.

Perhaps you can try to send in to GIA for regrading, you may try to ask your local jeweler and see if they can send for you. If not, then you probably need to go to Thailand or Hong Kong and send it in yourself. But then, your Polish and Symmetry may probably come back the same, and again, it is still not a 3EX and there is really not much potential to let it go easily.

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Sep 13 2017, 09:31 AM

Wow your analysis is very detail, thanks.
I wonder why this report didn't include the cut grade.
Newer reports sure got.
Does that mean pawn shops also will give a lower than the price range you have provided?

Perhaps that time it is not common to share too much info on the report, unlike now. As long as the consumer knows lesser, it should be easier to sell. But then, time changes and consumers have become smarter and demand for more info.

My guess is pawn shops may be even lower, if they are going to take in. Diamonds below 1 carat usually have not much resale value and moreover, the diamond of yours is not triple excellent, unfortunately. Besides, I think it may be hard for them to identify the authenticity of the stone. Anyway, I have to stress that the price range is based on guess only after looking at the prices on BlueNile. Perhaps you can try to visit a jeweler and ask and see if they will help you evaluate your stone, if yes, then you may bring for them to see. Good luck!

Im thinking of getting a cushion cut diamond from bluenile. Any idea if i ship them to msia, will i kena custom tax?

They don't ship to Malaysia. And if they do, yes, you will kena GST.

I wonder which shop offer best price in Malaysia. Went to few from local brand to international brands. What say you? Budget only RM 3500

hmm.. so which one does ship to msia? where do u guys get your loose diamond from ?

I am affiliate to both Brian Gavin Diamonds & WhiteFlash, so I would recommend them first. Both of them carry mostly AGS graded diamonds which are available in their current inventory and not virtual inventory. They are Hearts & Arrows diamond and usually their price may be higher than the other stores I suggest below, but they have images to proof the performance of the diamond and their diamonds have excellent proportions:

If you want excellent Hearts & Arrows, I would say Brian Gavin Diamonds. They are pretty consistent with their H&A pattern:
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/?a_aid=myengexp (affilaite link)

If you want best value, I would say WhiteFlash. They do have excellent Hearts & Arrows as well, but the consistency is not as good as Brian Gavin's. They offer free shipping to Malaysia as well.
https://www.whiteflash.com/?a_aid=myengringexp (affilaite link)

If you want closer to home, there is Jann Paul in Singapore. They do ship to Malaysia as far as I know. Their price may not be the cheapest, but their Hearts & Arrows are pretty good as well. They will provide you with all the necessary images before you may any purchase:
http://www.jannpaul.com/

If you want local jewelers, you can try look for Tailored Jewel. His price is pretty competitive but the ring setting may be hit-or-miss (as far as my experience is concerned). Usually they can only provide actual diamond photo and video, but nonetheless, their service is pretty top-notch:
https://www.tailoredjewel.com/

If you want excellent ring design, you can look for iDo Jewellery. She can also help your source for diamonds as well. According to her she can provide you with all the images, so you can give it a shot:
http://idojewellery.com/

For brick and mortar stores, you can visit Wah Chan, they sell pretty reasonable priced GIA graded diamonds. You can go to Facebook and search for "Wah Chan Signature".

You can also contact other stores like Eumayco Jewellery(http://www.eumaycojewellery.com/) and ZCOVA(https://www.zcova.com/) as well.

Good luck!

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Sep 18 2017, 09:29 AM

Welcome back TS!

What sort of 4Cs you looking at?

If you want complete ring, then you can try Wah Chan Signature at Section 14 PJ. I think they may be able to meet your budget. Maybe Tailored Jewel (https://www.tailoredjewel.com/) also can, but you have to ask. You can find both of them on Facebook.

Good luck!

What's the specs of a loose diamond for under RM20k? Preferably VS1, any colour above J, 0.8.1 carat.

0.813 G VS1 WhiteFlash ACA:
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp (affiliate link) USD 4601. Exchange rate is lower now at 4.2535 via M2U wire transfer. Add GST will be around RM 20744.57. Add RM 50 for misc. charges. So final price will be RM 20794.57. This diamond has excellent H&A, light return, and fire.

I will drop to VS2 and see if there are any more value for money one.

Update (19/09/2017 9:39am)
0.805 G VS2 WhiteFlash ACA:
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp (affiliate link) USD 4277. Exchange rate is lower now at 4.2535 via M2U wire transfer. Add GST will be around RM 19283.75. Add RM 50 for misc. charges. So final price will be RM 19333.75.

0.808 G VS 2 WhiteFlash ACA:
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp (affiliate link) USD 4292. Exchange rate is lower now at 4.2535 via M2U wire transfer. Add GST will be around RM 19351.38. Add RM 50 for misc. charges. So final price will be RM 19401.38.

Both diamonds have great H&A. Their inclusions should be eye-clean face-up without using any loupe. Then again, it is always good to check with the seller again regarding eye-cleanliness before making any purchase from any vendor.

Also, new purchase from USD 2000 and above is entitled for an additional USD 25 off. If you are interested to purchase, you can tell the salesperson that will assist you regarding this discount.

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Sep 19 2017, 09:41 AM

At wah Chan signature it is more looks like a mix and match ring. Is it good? They can do it on the spot ah?

Do it on the spot means? You choose the diamond and select the ring and they mount it right away for you?

Hi All,

Interested with this diamond.

GIA REPORT NUMBER - 1229552615

ROUND BRILLIANT
Measurements - 4.87 - 4.89 x 3.07 mm
Carat Weight - 0.45 carat
Color Grade - G
Clarity Grade - VS2
Cut Grade -Excellent

PROPORTIONS
Depth -62.9 %
Table -58 %
Crown Angle -35.0°
Crown Height -15.0%
Pavilion Angle - 41.4°
Pavilion Depth - 44.0%
Star Length - 50%
Lower Half - 80%
Girdle - Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted, 4.0%
Culet - None

May I get some advise on this diamond? Was quoted for 7k for the diamond.

This post has been edited by chuckiee: Sep 25 2017, 01:49 PM

It is cut too deep and surely leak light => Pavilion Angle - 41.4°!!! This is not a recommended diamond.

Enchanted Cut Score is 76.9: https://enchanteddiamonds.com/cut-score-cal...cate=1229552615

While HCA is 5: https://www.pricescope.com/tools/hca (in general, below 2 is preferred).
Factor Grade
Light Return Good
Fire Fair
Scintillation Fair
Spread
or diameter for weight Very Good
Total Visual Performance 5.0 - Good - Only if price is your main criterion

Are you able to see this diamond in real life, or are there any pictures with it? Also, 7K is for the loose diamond alone or the whole ring?

Yes i am able to view the diamond in real life. 7k for the whole ring together. So preferably not to take this diamond?

Great. So how do you feel about this ring? Have you compared to other triple excellents?

Personally, I won't take this stone unless there is something that really captures me (which I think is highly unlikely). It may be the fire it produces or something, but in your case, it is definitely NOT the price. It seems cheap, but I would ask the vendor to provide me a few other options to choose again. If this vendor does not have, then look for another vendor for more options.

Of course skip lahh bro. This diamond cannot make it.

Although it has a 3Ex grade in the report, this belongs to the lower tier of 3Ex. Yes, you heard me right! There are good 3Exes and bad 3Exes out there bro. So don't get fooled by this 3Ex marketing tactic many salesperson use to push their not-so-good diamonds out. They will tell you that GIA already gave it a 3Ex grading, so confirm it will have very good light performance, good proportions, bla bla bla, yadda yadda yadda, roller coaster.

The best way to check if a 3Ex you are looking at is indeed a top range one is by examining the stone under different scopes - ASET and Idealscope for light return, and H&A scope for symmetry.

oh you're alive.

Of course I am alive bro! Just seldom visit this thread cuz the hype for me is gone liao. Engagement ring settled, proposal done, wedding bands design almost complete, some more what? Now left house and ROM planning je.