u guys c b4 glider mating ?
is it during their active hour or it happen in their sleeeping hour in their hide out ?

Wah, sangterap, going to be a grandpa soon... congrats!! And nice pic, first time see a new born joey...

Just thought this article might be of interest to you guys~~~~~

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Can high fat diets cause cataracts?
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by Lisa

This article is actually a composite of discussions held with several veterinarians, an animal nutritionist, and a couple of other breeders. There's not much research done in this area, but there's a strong concurrence of opinion surrounding a condition that appears to be much like cataracts.

Unfortunately many people mistake the condition to be cataracts when they are really dealing with a nutritional issue that is highly controllable. It is often dangerous for us lay people to confidently diagnose our own pets because sometimes what may appear to be one thing may in fact be something completely different.

Are your gliders' eyes cloudy? Is there a whitish blob of something that appears to be floating inside of the eyeball? I've personally seen the condition in gliders that we've purchased over the years as we were building our breeding colony. I can wholeheartedly understand why someone would see this and assume it is cataracts. I've not met any doctors yet who've actually treated cataracts in sugar gliders. I think they agree that cataracts can happen, but this condition is actually related to the amount of fat in the diet.

Gliders do not digest fat well at all. It is why our own Dr C and other vets in the know recommend that the protein sources used in the glider diet be high in protein but low in fat. The goal is low in fat, not to be confused with no fat. Some fat is actually necessary in the diet, particularly with breeding sugar gliders; it is necessary for lactation.

Examples of foods that are high in fat which are not recommended are avocado, all nuts, peanut butter (unless your glider got stuck in a sticky trap!) red meat (including ground meat), pork, cheese, anything cooked in oil or butter. We use a short list of proteins in our feeding rotation here at SunCoast. We use boiled chicken, boiled egg, mealworms, crickets, grasshoppers, yogurt and sometimes chicken baby food. During the holidays, we may also feed some occasional turkey. This is not to say these are the only proteins you should be feeding. We just feel we are able to incorporate enough variety in the diet sticking to this short and proven list of good protein foods.

And even on this list, mealworms can be a bit higher in fat than may be ideal. If you only feed them 2-3 times a week as opposed to every day, you should not expect that to be a problem as things even out over the longer term. Daily feeding of mealworms may not be the best idea for your gliders.

As stated earlier, we have had a few instances of seeing gliders with the cloudy eye condition. Without having good background information on these animals, it has been hard for us to discern whether the condition can be completely cleared by changing to a correct glider diet. We have seen improvement in affected animals over time, but not a complete clearing in all cases.

And the consensus was clear amongst the team of professionals we've discussed this with. The major concern is not what permanent damage has been done to the eyes or vision, but what are the ramifications for the fat buildup in the rest of the body?

Your best bet is to stick with proteins that are lower in fat count. This will be the most supportive approach for your sugar gliders' long and happy life. And next time they wink at your with their big, black, clear eyes for another great meal served, feel good about your choices!

This post has been edited by misa: Nov 17 2006, 04:24 AM

Daily feeding of mealworm might not be a good idea... but 4-5 mealworm each day is ok ma? Normally it's a treat to gliders when they are well behaved...

never give my girl eat mealworms yet...kinda of e...ee
hehe..lets say my girl gets dirty....how am i supposed to clean her..?
can i just use a wet /damp cloth and wipe her?

Use wet tissue lor... those you can buy for baby to wipe bum bum ga..

Yup baby wipes works well. I have only used it about like twice because my SGs now no longer poo in their bed. They may pee though. Darn things. The cage can be cleaned at night and the next morning it smells like their big toilet again.

Oh yeah... Rene and Roscoe nearly flew out the car at the toll too Rene was on my friends shoulder while Roscoe was at the wheel ready to pounce out. Nearly had a heart attack!

I believe that I have read that article about fatty deposits in the eyes of gliders before. However I think everything in moderation with them it fine. My SGs get 3-4 mealworms a day. And they have some chicken in their mix. And they aren't the least bit fatty which is worrisome.

My Sasa is very very fat. Chubby.. have little tummy and double chin >.<

Yeah hehe -- I feed BabyBoy 3-4 mealworms daily these days. I know the americans feed about 12-14 mealworms a day like whoaaaaa. I've never tried feeding him crickets. Scared la. I cannot tahan insects. If I see it, I have to kill it. : | But worms are okay. xD;;

This post has been edited by misa: Nov 17 2006, 05:02 PM

A few worms a day is ok lah.... I now only feed Kiah when she wants... so sometimes she only wants mealworms twice a week so I feed her about 10 mealworms at 1 time.

hehe gave mine meal worms ...girl dont like ..
only smell...
after that i took one and mix it up with hun secret recepie....and wallaa..my girl is eating a meal worm hehe

Har? She dun like? Hahahah.... when I had her with me, she makan 5 mealworms every night wor....

izit..hehe ...eh just now when and buy meal worms..then i saw the bread worms......can they eat that 2? bread worms is bigger then mealworms

those are Superworms... not bread worms heheheh... mealworms are normally called bread worms in some petshops(in cantonese)

i rather stick to mealworms... Superworms really... unnatural looking to me hahahah... so big and huge...

My babies spit out all the chicken pieces in the glider mix

Hahahaha... mine lick lick lick, then the husk spit out. I guess sometimes they just wanna drink something sweet like barley peng from mamak stalls...super sweet

Haha... is normal for them to spit the big pieces. This doesn't happen in chicken mix only heheheh.... some gliders tend to spit any fiber or solid matter.

Is this considered OOP?

No, they still look too young to be oop.

Saw tiny gliders for sale at 88 petsmart cheras today. so active and adorable,hehe... they got a big glass enclosure with branches to play on.