yeah, babyyy!

James 1:2 Consider it a great joy, my brothers, whenever you experience various trials,.....

but dun b so uptight all the time la brader! dun associate so much wif ppl whom u dislike. keep a distance.

lama-kelamaan, u wil forget the pain done to u .

I want to discuss this part only


If you obey HS telling today cannot do this or do that, you are not boasting. You are obeying.

The devil will accuse you boasting, but GOD will protect you, because you are obeying. Under obedience comes protection from devil accusation.

GOD's will GOD's bill.

same also like this:
If you obey HS telling tomorrow do this or do that, you are not boasting. You are obeying.

remaining same as post 2468

there you go again, you just proved my sense

for that i already apologizes

This post has been edited by De_Luffy: Oct 18 2014, 11:48 PM

Hahaha, quite cute the story .

Errr, personally I think even the CG leader not quite ready to be leader. But my standard high lah
As in all the duties of CG leader
- share the word, as in having Bible study/discussion session.
- Praise & Worship - Song lead - this one can rotate between the members
- Icebreaker - games - can rotate with members
- Prayer- pray for one another or church or Msia, whatever topic
- Counselling members
- Visitation - visit members who absent quite some time from church or CG.

Cell group church concept, CG session have 4 parts - Icebreaker, Praise & worship, sharing the Word, Prayer. Something like that, I went thru the course before.

And usually(the churches I have been to) it's the senior pastor or pastor in charge of cell group or deacon in charge of cell group who selects the leader and assistant. With recommendation from the cell leader.

I say my standard high cos the CG I've been to is lead by one of the deacons of my church, know the word very well that type. Members also many long time Christians, can discuss A to Z, refer scripture verse.

But if dunno scripture A to Z never mind, got materials provided, the pastor supposed to provide one leh. If takda pastor, at least deacon, deacon supposed is matured Christian. So many materials out there, can take from Bible study one, follow topical kah, follow book by book kah.

Harder is follow each week sermon,as in discuss what the pastor preach during Sunday service the week before, this one if the leader not really well versed in the Word will get stuck.

This post has been edited by eaglehelang: Oct 18 2014, 11:56 PM

2 Timothy 2:1
You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.

As long as the assistant CG leader (ACGL) know how to:
1. Put Trust in GOD, Have Faith.
2. Operate in GOD's grace.
3. Know when to rest in GOD.

The ACGL needs to ... well said, simply change a lot of mindsets. Reprioritise things.

When bible say it's better for 1 day in YOUR court then 1000 days elsewhere, sure 1 day ACGL spend in HIS presence will resolve a lot of issues. Those issues that without GOD's help, may take up to 3 years.

This is a good opportunity for the ACGL to go to higher level. Well opportunity does not mean problem-free. Usually opportunity means hidden traps, unknown risk, behemoth issues, etc. But our Christ is alpha n omega correct ?

CG leader full time church staff? Otherwise, need 'superman' CG leader to do everything. I think effective leader should focus on the main thing and to delegate and not do everything. Teamwork ma.

Of course not leader do everything, Main thing is sharing the word. This can share with assistant if assistant matured enough. Same with visitation. Other duties can rotate with cell members

Our CG, we plan every quarterly and during this planning day, we also try to delegate all the roles and responsibilities. In this way, group will know the plan in advance for the next quarter. So far, we have been doing that and it helps.

That's another misconception, you cannot bear Jesus's burden. No one can.
God the Father sent Him alone to bear the burdens of the world.

Our part is to be sensitive to God's leading or you can say to "hear" his voice, with regards to our lives and those surrounding us.

But to do that you have to constantly spend time with Him and consistent + prolong relationship with God, actually produces peace and joy in your life.

Actually if you think about what Jesus says,

You're suppose to live a life of Peace and Joy more than gritting your teeth trying to go through trials.

Let me share one revelation of the God's word about trials.



In Matthew 6, this is the modal Prayer that Jesus taught.


“ ‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10 your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.

13 And lead us not into temptation,a
but deliver us from the evil one.b ’


I know trials and tribulation is suppose to strengthen our character, some people say, more trials and tribulations, the better and is the norm for Christians.
But what did Jesus taught us to pray about Trials and Tribulations?

The Word there in verse 13, temptation, in the Greek, peirasmos is the same meaning for trials or Tribulations.

If Jesus taught us to pray like this, that God would lead us NOT into testing, I rather go with that. Why?

You can do a lot more things when you're at peace.

Hope this helps you. God Bless.

yeah we don't have to pray to have more testing and trials although testing and trials will be there - John 16:33

New International Version
"I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world."

New Living Translation
I have told you all this so that you may have peace in me. Here on earth you will have many trials and sorrows. But take heart, because I have overcome the world."

English Standard Version
I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”

This post has been edited by ngaisteve1: Oct 19 2014, 06:18 PM

would Jesus not speak directly to my Heart when i pray, but instead, require a 3rd party to reveal His Will for me?

b'cos, as far as prohesying goes, every once in a while, when God sends a Word to his congregation thorugh a church member during service ( yeah, sometimes its a lady, sometimes a man, depending on whom God chooses) its usually to encourage the Body of Christ as a whole.

For me, i don't want to limit GOD. Inner voice, audible voice, third party. Everything oso boleh boleh. Everything is okay. But the issue is to test the spirit.

Bible clearly tells us to test the spirit, but bible didn't tell us how to test the spirit. CMIIW

Most of us thinking by study the bible you can test the spirit. more study better discernment. But i found out, better to stay 1 day in your court then 1000 days elsewhere. Therefore, to test the spirit is by asking the Holy Spirit himself....

so to answer ur question: Jesus can speak directly to your heart, but it's better not to limit HIM with only speaking directly to your heart. If you let GOD operates without limit, you will find an experience with GOD, that can benefit yourself and your community.

To know HIM it's better than to limit HIM.

bros and sis, need to ask a favor from you all.. my 2yr old daughter augustina lee need some cooperate prayer.

she suffer from very bad cough n alot flames accumulate in her lung n throats. until cannot sleep. 1 cough will wake up

pls pray for her

The Experience of Jacob

Dreaming of a Ladder Which Typifies Christ

According to your deep, inner sense, where was Christ at the time you were saved—in heaven or on earth? According to your natural concept, He was in heaven. But according to your inner sense, Christ was directly in front of you, for He had been set up on earth. We have all experienced this. However, due to the influence of religion, we went along with our mental figuration instead of with our experience. In our experience of salvation, Christ was on earth.

Our Christ, who is the ladder bringing heaven to earth and joining earth to heaven, is now not only in heaven but also here on earth. Christ has been set up on earth and He is reaching into heaven for the purpose of coming to us and bringing us to Him. The angels are waiting to ascend. I believe that whenever a sinner receives the Lord Jesus and is saved, many angels ascend to heaven bearing the good news. Firstly, the angels gladly ascend to heaven and then they immediately descend with good things for the new believer. This traffic does not start from heaven; it starts from earth and goes to heaven and back to earth again. In like manner, whenever we repent and say, "Lord, I want to gain more of You and to be gained more by You," the angels, who truly are reporters, bring the news to heaven.

Christ, the sent One, the One who brings heaven to earth and joins earth to heaven, is here on earth right now. Many times in our experience we have the sense that Christ was there. As soon as we responded to Him, it seemed that some angels, moving faster than anything, ascended to heaven to report the good news. Many of us can testify that on some occasions we had such a wonderful time with the Lord that we had no words to describe what was happening. That was a strong proof that the angels were there ascending and descending. Then, as we continued to have this good time with the Lord, we went a little further with Him, and the angels happily ascended to heaven again to report something new and to descend immediately with more good things for us.

According to the proper vision, the angels of God are ascending and descending. It seem that there is no need for us to pray or fast. We simply need to be forced by God's hand to leave everything human and to come into an environment where we have a dream and our blind eyes are opened. Then we shall say, "Amen, Lord Jesus. The ladder is here, and the angels are ascending and descending on it." When we were saved, something like this happened to us. But we did not have the words to explain it. Today, Christ, the ladder, the center of the universe, is here. This ladder has been set up on the earth and is waiting for us to see and touch it again and again. Whenever we have a vision, we may not have the understanding or the words to describe it, but we sense that a ladder is before us. Whenever we enjoy a spiritual experience, we have the sense deep within that something either before us or inside us is joining us to heaven and that if we touch it, we touch heaven. This is Christ. Often, when we have a further experience in the church life, we smile and say, "Why didn't I see this before? How stupid I was! Something has been set up on earth that reaches to heaven, and when I touch it, it brings me and joins me to heaven." This is the ladder.

Jacob's dream at Bethel was not of him; it was absolutely of God. Jacob had lost everything and was fully disappointed. He had become a hopeless and homeless case. But, much to his surprise, in the midst of his disappointment, the dream came. What is this dream? It is simply a vision, a seeing. In our experience, the ladder was there, but we did not see it. Now that we have the sight, we see the ladder which was there all the time. This is the significance of Jacob's dream.

Every spiritual experience is a dream. Coming into the church life is a dream. Knowing the practicality of the church is also a dream. Many times we have said, "My, this experience is so good that it must be a dream. What a dream has come to me!" The more dreams we have, the better, for the more dreams we have, the more we touch and enjoy the ladder.

The center of every spiritual dream is Christ as the ladder, as the One who brings heaven to earth and joins earth to heaven. Whenever we sense deep within that we have been brought into heaven and have been joined to and made one with heaven, and that heaven has been made one with us, that is an experience of Christ. We should forget about trying to overcome sin and weaknesses. The proper experience in life is to have a dream of Christ as the heavenly ladder which has been set up on earth and which brings us into heaven. Do not try to overcome sin, nor to conquer your weakness. When you touch this ladder, you will be in heaven, heaven will be yours, and there will be much traffic between earth and heaven and between heaven and earth. You will have whatever you need, and every negative thing will be under your feet. This is the experience of Christ as the heavenly ladder.

This post has been edited by pehkay: Oct 21 2014, 08:18 AM

This is my prayer for augustina lee
I have 2 t hings to share:
1. As her father, You need to declare Psalm 91 for your household.
2. it's okay to go to doctor. But oso okay use faith.... but if HS told u to go to doctor... don't stubborn laahhhh ...

I think infection kut. Already how long? Seen doctor?

3 days now at clinic waiting...

Phlegm is thick and yellow color? There are several types of cough.

The word Tribulation here has a slightly different meaning. It is not peirasmos but thlipsis (pressure, what constricts or rubs together) in the Greek.

I believe John 16:33 is referring to a form of persecution, a type of spiritual warfare or Satanic attack because the context of that message is that you believe in God. (John 16:31)
When you signed up as a Christian believing in God, you also because become Satan's Public Enemy. He will shift you and attack you. That is the context.
For example, things like your ministry being attack or your prayers bearing no fruit or you are overloaded with too much work until you have no time for God.

When you understand this, you will also understand why Jesus said He has overcome the world which refers to the system of the world or it's power.


The word Temptation/Trials/Testings in Matthew 6:13 which is peirasmos is referring to trials of the Flesh. I believe that is more in context of being tested whether you will obey God or succumb to your flesh. Things like Anger, Lust, Unbelief, disobedience, stuff like that. It may seem quite the same. Like for example, Satan may bring in Situations to just provoke you to anger and it's extremely hateful type. That means hard not to hate. Maybe like reckless Drivers that cuts you in causing you to swear.

You can Pray to God to lead you away from that. God allows that. The word lead in Matthew 6:13 is like the leading of the Holy Spirit. In that sense you can pray for Wisdom, Strength and Grace to lead you away over these temptations.