I'm interested . You'll you pm me the details. Looking for a room now actually but I don't mind leasing a whole house if the price and location is great.

Psalm 38:21-22 AMP

Forsake me not, O Lord; O my God, be not far from me. Make haste to help me, O Lord, my Salvation.

the cry of the man after GOD own heart. bros n sis dun need fear when tribulations r coming to u. God is always near n will haste to save u.

God Morning Malaysia. Be blessed and be strong. Take Courage in Christ...

THIS takes the icing on your despotic character.

Wasn't planning to respond to you or this thread 1st time you implicated me with someone else. But this is twice you dragged my nick in.

But you are pushing ACCusing the BRETHREN to its limit.

First you did this with LUCIFAH,, an apt name for the ACCUSER.

Worst thing that can happen to those in Christ is when

Now the brother shall betray the brother to death.

In cahoots with an unbeliever.

This was the accusation thrown at me



20 posts? Hardly wrote 4 posts in reply to, another brethren. Or is it a joy club so that no HARDTALK scriptures can be discussed?

OR were you rather OFFENDED by my mistaking you for a FEMME? (For which i now apologise) . WHICH is it?

Your lack of discernment speaks volumes. If you cant even discern the different way i write from the Accountant, whither scriptures?

If fellowship is to tickle your ears and your ego, God help you.
If encouragement is to tickle your ears and your ego, God help you.
If God's word is just to tickle your ears and your ego, God help you.

FOR:

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Take a look in the mirror of the scriptures so that it reflects

What prayer and supplication soever be made by any man, or by all thy people Israel, which shall know every man the plague of his own heart, and spread forth his hands toward this house:

Lest we forget the PLAGUE OF

Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Check and Balance

who can check my car ? my technician.
who can check my plumbing / electric stuffs ? plumber / engineer.
who can check my health ? doctor / TCM.
who can check my church financial spending ? ... at the end still hit the limit.
who can check my government ? government tools such judges, police and law enforcements. Who can check them ? ... at the end still hit the limit.

who can check that this forum is correct as per bible standard ? .... because being a troll is counter productive. I believe only GOD can check and balance this forum.

who can check my technician quality ? another technican / governing body. How can we know we don't get cheated ? another technician / governing body. How to we check another technician / governing body... You are hit by a limit.

my doctor is honest, but how can i trust him ? second opinion. How to qualify 2nd opinion is good enuf ? try 3rd opinion... where this things end ? 4th opinion, 5th opinion... You are hit by a limit.

my leader cannot lead my country. How can we fix this ? try opposition ? re-election ? change the leader ?... You are hit by a limit.

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This is the problem with people who has Jesus but didn't believe in supernatural power. Mindset. Even worse for pagan who denied Jesus like what happen in United States.

They have genuine interest to improve life, to lead for better, to give best service, but without putting Jesus into global picture, anything human's do will ended up in vain.

Here is the new mindset. Only Creator can do quality control, Only Creator can check and balance of all creation due to complexity of HIS creation. Only Jesus can check and balance everything.


Okay that's too spiritual, let's back to reality. Start with simple thing. Who can fix my car and how can i make sure the technician did his job well. As paranoid person, i afraid that....
Answer:
Put Jesus in the picture before take commitment and trust in HIM. Bless the technician that will fix the car. By blessing, there are spiritual things take into place:
1. the technician can have divine understanding what's wrong with the car. The discernment will benefit you as car owner. No need best technician. Only 1 regular technician ordained by DIVINE appointment.
2. If the technician trying to cheat, GOD will put enough fear to make sure the technician didn't cheat. Even before he touch your car, the technician somehow resistant to cheat you because of "unexplained reasons".
3. I still got cheated after i prayed ? how come...
Answer for question 3: trust in GOD. If HE allows, there must be some reason. Just pray: I am hurt because of this cheating LORD Jesus, please help me. I want to have faith in you. I want to believe that you are in control. Then after that forgive the technician so the bitterness will not consume your life. Then you can ask in this forum for strength and support if you don't have cell group in your church. Another word: remember narrow path and wide path ? choose to trust GOD. That's the narrow path.


How about doctor, TCM, plumber, enginer, fixer, customer service, colleague, team member, my grumpy bosses and other things in general ? same approach. consider the story above per say.

-- Now go to advanced case: churches, government, and entity with more authority ---

unless i wanted to get deported from malaysia or banned from this forum for political writings: I can write only general, very general things.

1. Trust in GOD. GOD always in control. No matter you think you lost control. You think government out of control, GOD always in control of everything.
2. Bless authority above you.

For government, bless Prime Minister and deputy and their family. Bless all leadership structure. Bless menteri besar and family. Bless Sultan and his family. I am not sure about kerajaan malaysia structure in detail. But we need to bless them so GOD's perfect will be done.

The same story for Church. Bless the church leader so they will go GOD's agenda, not own agenda.

Back to Joseph story, GOD use pharaoh to install Joseph in picture so Israel and his family can be saved. Whatever the religion of our goverment leader, bless the them. GOD can raise people but only if HIS church bless authority above you

-- conclusion --

I hope that we have understand how to :
1. put Jesus into our global picture
2. speak of blessing to our live and anybody in touch
And how to use those 2 points to resolve our daily limitation as individual or leader.

In His Grace,

DE1929

Thank you. Both of you for the encouragement for all in here in to fellowship.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Sep 29 2014, 10:25 AM

Morning Sophie.

Psalms 91:9-11(NIV)

9 If you say, “The Lord is my refuge,”
and you make the Most High your dwelling,

10 no harm will overtake you,
no disaster will come near your tent.

11 For he will command his angels concerning you
to guard you in all your ways;

That is an illusion we tells ourself

I think strictly speaking that is nothing wrong when believers have differing understanding on certain truths in the Bible. We are all in various stages of the Christian life. Just like a family of siblings ....

But to have a "local" church as a local expression of the invisible universal church standing on the ground of its doctrines, practices, culture, etc. as the situation today is unfortunately deplorable. But my view is in the minority anyway. I am not referring to the believers (as per my first statement) but to the system of Christianity in general today. It is like "my younger brother" telling me because I eat pork, he have no more 'fellowship' with me; and I am not his brother any more because this Household is a house of chicken.

According to the Bible, the ground of the church is based on the fellowship of the church in oneness. The fellowship of the church in oneness is the ground of the church. When all those who have been saved come together, not having any division but being fully in oneness and fellowshipping in mutuality, then this oneness, this fellowship, is the ground of the church.

Morning Pehkay.

Preach it bruder.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Sep 29 2014, 11:00 AM

Apologies ... actually I was referring to mumeichan.

Yeah .. I have been busy lately .... also, was enjoying some other messages and digesting them. Sometimes, the spoken words touch your being which I need to spend some time before the Lord.

So, the thought to post [continuing from my original topic] seem moot.

This post has been edited by pehkay: Sep 29 2014, 11:06 AM

Haha ... yes indeed mistaken ... I was referring to "cell-group" meeting [was a Friday night that I assume ... sorry] ... XD XD

But you were referring to something else .... isn't parkour a strenuous activity?

One week has pass already?

Hi simpletraveler may I know your religion and your intention of posting in this thread? To create negativity on christianity over here?

I realize that some are here to tear down this thread rather than build up.

My last post answered you partly. I don't have a religion. I study all religions and try to save the ignorant and innocent people, no bad intentions and not meant to make money.

That is not true.

1 Timothy 2:3-4
This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.


As you were saying?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Sep 29 2014, 01:49 PM

u understand wat is tribulations or not? I dun think catastrophic disaster under tat category. n by all means. Phillipines has done all evil deeds than our bn government. they hv black jesus etc

Romans 16: 17 - I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. 18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people. 19 Everyone has heard about your obedience, so I rejoice because of you; but I want you to be wise about what is good, and innocent about what is evil.

Indeed is very serious. But first, need to clarify one thing first, whether that person is a christian. And we know christian belong to a church (body of Christ). If in the first place, that person is NOT a christian, then this person does not belong to a church. So what that person did is as described below:

Matt. 7:15, "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." Even in the early days of the fledgling church, the Apostle Paul said this, "For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.", Acts 20:29-30.

In this case, the church leadership is to warn the member of the church to protect the church from that person. Otherwise, that person can continue to poison more and more to lead them astray from the church.

Second scenario is let's say that person is a christian or still a member of that church, the church leadership will talk, admonish and perhaps rebuke that person if that person continue to cause division. and if after much rebuke that person still do cause division, the church leadership will take discipline action (ie expel him/her from the church).

Of course that applies to church but not able to do the same in this thread So the reader in this thread need to make your own logical judgement, who is/are the person who cause division among christian vs who are the person who build up one another.

As I have mentioned sometimes it is not easy to identify who is who. But what I have learn is one obvious way to identify them is by finding out the intention of that person saying such thing. Is this person saying this thing to help to build up the other person or to tear down Christianity? If that person want to give input to help or build up another person out of love, it should be done privately (PM) unless the recipient does not want to listen in privately.

I don't think TS (UW) start this thread have any kinds of argument to defend Christianity nor to argue over various denomination differences. If you wish to do so, you may start a new thread, just like that you did for starting your thread - https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3260523.

I went back to her first post of this thread and I quote some over here:

Sometimes not All smooth talk and flattery is encouragement. And not all encouragement comes in the form of smooth talk and flattery.
False teachers use this oft to deceive to receive acceptance.
Encouragement can also come in the form of Hardtalk and correction. Repentance and correction is a hard thing for many people. It can be painful sometimes.
Therefore you can expect a reaction to this.


It is important to be wise as there are many false teachers and prophets in the body. Problem is many Christians have been brain washed to think that discernment and pointing out wrong teachings is rude and divisive.
But it is a commandment to discern and to point out wrong teachings as they can be very damaging to the body.

You have a trauma and fear and be very careful with things. It is good. Even i feel like you are trolling on me, but i choose to believe that you are essentially are good man.

Do you know many people don't trust the church anymore ? They are collecting more money than they needed.
A lot of people don't trust church.

They are collecting more money than they needed.
Maybe they wanna buy building or something. There must be reason. But i believe GOD's in control.

Do you know people already know those "end of the world" hoax are all promoted by the church so ignorant will give away more money to them ?
I think it's good that people money will not go to church that's simply not the righteous church. What i mean, people get's more educated.

Do you know more and more Malaysia people are avoiding the church now ?
I talk to my colleague persuading to go to church and respond exactly... i mean exactly like you.

See the church in Jln imbi, no Malaysia people go there now, they target on the foreign workers now. Easy victims since they are lonely people.
I dunno, but i choose to trust you that they target foreign worker, cuz no malaysian would go there.

solution
step one back little bit lah...

Unlike other people that go to church and get saved, you need to go through special way cuz of trauma you had:

1. Get bible as per my advise: NIV bible or NKJV bible.
2. Read bible, keep reading until Holy Spirit talk to you something. Naturally people spend 5 minute to 1 hour. Then just spend 5 minute to 1 hour.
3. If nothing happens, keep doing no 2.

In the meantime, just do your job / business / study as usual. I trust in GOD and in HIS way that HE can save you.

Oh you mean like calling de1929 a lunatic for example as to what you mean appropriate?

Is that...your way? of encouraging people?


Nobody is twisting anything. Speak for yourself. You uphold Christ name by insulting people as a Witch and Lunatic?
and you're not even ashamed. My, what a shame, Troll.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Sep 29 2014, 03:43 PM