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post Sep 19 2014, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 19 2014, 10:05 PM)
Actually what he said, is true.

Where there is killing, murder, spilled blood, usually are open doors for devil to hold on.

It's Territorial Warfare.

But we know nothing beats the blood of Christ.  rclxms.gif
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ah thank God somebody understand spiritual warfare in this forum. Thanks UW for ur explanation.

Now to break the curse, somebody needs to take authority and speak to the land (literally cakap open mounth with your finger pointing to the ground):

"In the name of Jesus, who died on the calvary, I take authority to break all the curse in this land because i stay in this house, amen". That's the basic sample, or in other word: beginner's guide. Feel free to modify as required.

if in your office you have rumors at night people see ghost, hantu and those things, one of the reason also because the land was cursed.

Cursed land indirectly contributes to other problems in office such as if your office is like hell, people backstabbing each other instead of team working, is the indicator that some thing is not right.

I did not say that if your office is like hell because 100% of cursed land, there are some other reasons that's not spiritual most of the time. e.g. bad management team.
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Sep 19 2014, 10:21 PM)
ah thank God somebody understand spiritual warfare in this forum. Thanks UW for ur explanation.

Now to break the curse, somebody needs to take authority and speak to the land (literally cakap open mounth with your finger pointing to the ground):

"In the name of Jesus, who died on the calvary, I take authority to break all the curse in this land because i stay in this house, amen". That's the basic sample, or in other word: beginner's guide. Feel free to modify as required.

if in your office you have rumors at night people see ghost, hantu and those things, one of the reason also because the land was cursed.

Cursed land indirectly contributes to other problems in office such as if your office is like hell, people backstabbing each other instead of team working, is the indicator that some thing is not right.

I did not say that if your office is like hell because 100% of cursed land, there are some other reasons that's not spiritual most of the time. e.g. bad management team.
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Remember you asked me to recite Psalms 91?

I did. rclxms.gif


I was cured Man. Praise God.
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post Sep 19 2014, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 19 2014, 10:30 PM)
Remember you asked me to recite Psalms 91?

I did. rclxms.gif
I was cured Man. Praise God.
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Glad to hear that. rclxm9.gif

i have scoliosis / crooked back and still scoliosis until today. running out of faith and sometimes wanna be an atheist cuz God soooooooooooooooooo farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
scoliosis detected back in 2000 so can say pray for 14 years lahh...

back in year 2000 just standard prayer oh God please straighten my back and.... no progress
back in year 2004 somebody teach to declare: "By Your Stripes I am Healed".... I do believe and no progress
back in year 2008 somebody teach to declare Pslam 91 still.... no progress..

maybe i should be atheist like beastX heheheh...

i dunno, perhaps God's timing, only the last 1 to 3 month i start noticing my back is improving. Yeah God has his own timing or perhaps my faith is not big enuf... or something lah... thank God i did not sell my Jesus heheheh rolleyes.gif

bye-bye scoliosis... i am improving with God's grace....

still envy you lah UW...(joking lor) your problem solve in days ? mine in years lol and still progressing ..
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post Sep 19 2014, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Sep 19 2014, 11:44 PM)
Glad to hear that.  rclxm9.gif

i have scoliosis / crooked back and still scoliosis until today. running out of faith and sometimes wanna be an atheist cuz God soooooooooooooooooo farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
scoliosis detected back in 2000 so can say pray for 14 years lahh...

back in year 2000 just standard prayer oh God please straighten my back and.... no progress
back in year 2004 somebody teach to declare: "By Your Stripes I am Healed".... I do believe and no progress
back in year 2008 somebody teach to declare Pslam 91 still.... no progress..

maybe i should be atheist like beastX heheheh...

i dunno, perhaps God's timing, only the last 1 to 3 month i start noticing my back is improving. Yeah God has his own timing or perhaps my faith is not big enuf... or something lah... thank God i did not sell my Jesus heheheh  rolleyes.gif

bye-bye scoliosis... i am improving with God's grace....

still envy you lah UW...(joking lor)  your problem solve in days ? mine in years lol and still progressing ..
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So you believe that without proper medication/treatment (conventional or alternative way), any types of diseases / health issues can be cured just by prayer?

This post has been edited by ngaisteve1: Sep 19 2014, 10:50 PM
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Sep 19 2014, 10:44 PM)
Glad to hear that.  rclxm9.gif

i have scoliosis / crooked back and still scoliosis until today. running out of faith and sometimes wanna be an atheist cuz God soooooooooooooooooo farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
scoliosis detected back in 2000 so can say pray for 14 years lahh...

back in year 2000 just standard prayer oh God please straighten my back and.... no progress
back in year 2004 somebody teach to declare: "By Your Stripes I am Healed".... I do believe and no progress
back in year 2008 somebody teach to declare Pslam 91 still.... no progress..

maybe i should be atheist like beastX heheheh...

i dunno, perhaps God's timing, only the last 1 to 3 month i start noticing my back is improving. Yeah God has his own timing or perhaps my faith is not big enuf... or something lah... thank God i did not sell my Jesus heheheh  rolleyes.gif

bye-bye scoliosis... i am improving with God's grace....

still envy you lah UW...(joking lor)  your problem solve in days ? mine in years lol and still progressing ..
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I was suffering for almost half a year coughing with blood, bro.

Did you go and see doctor for this?

Bro, Have Faith. I want to share something with you.

Reciting God's word plainly (maybe like a charm) is not going to work.

Our perception (persepsi) about God must be Right before God's power flow.
I said perception, not works or even obedience to the Law.
It all has to do with the right type of Faith.

And you must acknowledge you don't have it all together.
That you're not able to completely obey God. That you have flaws and you need his Grace.
That will open God's blessing, bro!

I don't want you to envy anything, I want you to come to God as you are and believe He loves you.

It must start from there.

The Problem is some Christian, don't believe that God really loves them. They think they must be perfect, completely walked in obedience before God bless them. There is this fear......if you know what I mean.
That is the hindrance, believe me. It's not Sin. Jesus took care of sin already at the cross.

It's wrong perception or wrong type of believe (Faith) in God that hinders.

But When you have the right type of Faith as I mentioned (how) above and you speak God's word, believing.
Get ready for your miracle. May take time but it will come. I will pray for you bro.


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Very dense, loads of families (or bachelors or illegal migrants) but mostly malay/muslim. Baby selling and drugs pretty open, and so are open assassinations. At one time there was a gang dispute. Someone drove over to the target, shot him in the head and then drive off.

Used to have more Chinese but they all moved out to PJ and singapore by now.

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Any church in the building also kena tendang keluar. Neighbour bising we are noisy during worship.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 19 2014, 10:22 AM)
Bro, we don't want to start any argument in here and

Beastx I hope you comply as well.
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i didnt wanted to start an argument ... i just wanna see different perspective cry.gif cry.gif
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 19 2014, 10:57 PM)
I was suffering for almost half a year coughing with blood, bro.

Did you go and see doctor for this?

Bro, Have Faith. I want to share something with you.

Reciting God's word plainly (maybe like a charm) is not going to work.

Our perception (persepsi) about God must be Right before God's power flow.
I said perception, not works or even obedience to the Law.
It all has to do with the right type of Faith.

And you must acknowledge you don't have it all together.
That you're not able to completely obey God. That you have flaws and you need his Grace.
That will open God's blessing, bro!

I don't want you to envy anything, I want you to come to God as you are and believe He loves you.

It must start from there.

The Problem is some Christian, don't believe that God really loves them. They think they must be perfect, completely walked in obedience before God bless them. There is this fear......if you know what I mean.
That is the hindrance, believe me. It's not Sin. Jesus took care of sin already at the cross.

It's wrong perception or wrong type of believe (Faith) in God that hinders.

But When you have the right type of Faith as I mentioned (how) above and you speak God's word, believing.
Get ready for your miracle. May take time but it will come. I will pray for you bro.
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Thanks UW, it's about perception for the last 14 years that God wants to fix. For my case it's not 100% about perception of God's love, but how i handle my mind.

I looked at my X-ray and i can see how crocked my back, but i let the image stored in my head for almost 10 years.

I neglected the verse saying
1. as the man think, so he is (prov 23:7). So i think about that x-ray (which is my own x-ray). so my thinking and my mouth were working opposite, not as a team.
2. whatever is lovely (phil 4:8) think about it. my scoliosis is not lovely yet i keep thinking about it.

I cannot share how to resolve, because my healing is still in progress. But there are points that can serves as starting points:
1. Doctor works on knowledge, if knowledge gives up then i just say thanks to the Doctor, and go supernatural. What else ? should i give up ? i still have Jesus thumbup.gif
2. x-ray stay as x-ray. it just information.
3. Jesus told me to combat my mind by replacing x-ray image with a better picture. I googled and in found a good posture without scoliosis. Therefore focusing not on my x-ray. This is to resolve my own x-ray image in my head.
4. Declaring Word of God (this is doing supernatural things).
5. Learn to rest and trust in God and surrender.
6. Breaking many curses, generation curses, work curses, habbitual curses, bondange here and there
7. fasting and praising the LORD
8. give thanks
9. Bless other people
10. Learn about God's love in a deeper way.
11. Speak to my own body in mirror saying: I am blessed, I am annointed, I am God's favorite, Jesus loves me, I am the winnder, I am (.... many things that stored in bible I can't type all details ...)
12. Including what UW has shared about God's love
13. etc..etc..etc...

Ok UW. i am ready for my miracle rclxm9.gif .. i understand it may take time. and I literally know how to trust in God's timing, because of HIS love HE know when is the right time for my miracle and i trust in God thumbup.gif


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post Sep 20 2014, 08:29 AM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Sep 19 2014, 10:49 PM)
So you believe that without proper medication/treatment (conventional or alternative way), any types of diseases / health issues can be cured just by prayer?
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Different case different resolution. In this discussion, i would like to limit to just and just only scoliosis. Not with other disease such as cancer / tumor.

Both conventional doctor (MD) and alternative (such as massage / chripractor) tells that scoliosis cannot be cured. the calcification for adult above 20 years old are completed. Meaning our scoliosis is permanent. Unlike kids under 10 years old, braces are still possible to correct the posture but i am not 10 years old anymore.

Knowledge gaves up, i go to supernatural. My earlier reply has more details :-)

feel free to ask anytime ngai smile.gif

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CHRIST HIS PERSON

One with the Father

In John 10:30 the Lord Jesus says, “I and the Father are one.” The Son is one with the Father. Because the Son and the Father are one, when we see the Son, we see the Father.

We cannot explain adequately how the Son and the Father are one. According to the natural understanding, the Son is the Son, the Father is the Father, and the two are distinctly separate one from the other. Although the Son and the Father are distinct, they cannot be separated. According to the Lord’s clear word in John 10:30, He and the Father are one. Because the Son and the Father are one, the Son is even called the Father. According to Isaiah 9:6, the Son given to us is called the eternal Father. A Son is given, yet His name is called the eternal Father.

A number of verses in the New Testament indicate that the Son and the Father are one. John 17:22 says, “And the glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, even as We are one.” In 1 John 2:25 the singular pronoun “He” is used to refer to both the Son and the Father: “And this is the promise which He promised us, the eternal life.” In this verse “He” refers to the Son and the Father spoken of in the preceding verse. This indicates that the Son and the Father are one. We see the same principle in 1 John 2:28: “And now, little children, abide in Him, that if He is manifested, we may have boldness and not be put to shame from Him at His coming.” In this verse the pronoun “He” refers definitely to Christ the Son, who is coming. This, along with the preceding clause, “abide in Him,” which is a repetition of the clause in 1 John 2:27 involving the Trinity, indicates that the Son is the embodiment of the Triune God, inseparable from the Father or the Spirit. In 1 John 2:29 the personal pronoun “He” denotes the Triune God: “If you have known that He is righteous, you know also that everyone who practices righteousness has been begotten of Him.” “He” denotes the Triune God, the Father, the Son, and the Spirit, all-inclusively, because this pronoun refers to “He” and “Him” in the preceding verse, which denotes the coming Son, and it also denotes “Him” in this verse, referring to the Father who has begotten us. This indicates strongly that the Son and the Father are one.

Although the Son and the Father are one, we should not say that there is no distinction between the Father and the Son. There is a distinction between the Father and the Son, but there is no separation. When the Father is present, the Son is present also. Likewise where the Son is, there the Father is also. The Father and the Son cannot be separated. For this reason 1 John 2:23 says, “Everyone who denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who confesses the Son has the Father also.” Since the Son and the Father are one, to deny the Son is to be without the Father, and to confess the Son is to have the Father. Whoever denies the Son has neither the Son nor the Father. But whoever confesses the Son has both the Son and the Father. Both the negative side and the positive side of this verse indicate that the Son and the Father are inseparable.

The New Testament does not separate the Father and the Son. Especially in the Gospel of John we see that the Son is always one with the Father. The Son came in the name of the Father (John 5:43). He always did the Father’s work and will, spoke the Father’s word, sought the Father’s glory, and expressed the Father. The Son was one with the Father and could not be separated from the Father. Neither could the Father be separated from the Son.
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Sep 20 2014, 08:17 AM)
Thanks UW, it's about perception for the last 14 years that God wants to fix. For my case it's not 100% about perception of God's love, but how i handle my mind.

I looked at my X-ray and i can see how crocked my back, but i let the image stored in my head for almost 10 years.

I neglected the verse saying
1. as the man think, so he is (prov 23:7). So i think about that x-ray (which is my own x-ray). so my thinking and my mouth were working opposite, not as a team.
2. whatever is lovely (phil 4:8) think about it. my scoliosis is not lovely yet i keep thinking about it.

I cannot share how to resolve, because my healing is still in progress. But there are points that can serves as starting points:
1. Doctor works on knowledge, if knowledge gives up then i just say thanks to the Doctor, and go supernatural. What else ? should i give up ? i still have Jesus  thumbup.gif
2. x-ray stay as x-ray. it just information.
3. Jesus told me to combat my mind by replacing x-ray image with a better picture. I googled and in found a good posture without scoliosis. Therefore focusing not on my x-ray. This is to resolve my own x-ray image in my head.
4. Declaring Word of God (this is doing supernatural things).
5. Learn to rest and trust in God and surrender.
6. Breaking many curses, generation curses, work curses, habbitual curses, bondange here and there
7. fasting and praising the LORD
8. give thanks
9. Bless other people
10. Learn about God's love in a deeper way.
11. Speak to my own body in mirror saying: I am blessed, I am annointed, I am God's favorite, Jesus loves me, I am the winnder, I am (.... many things that stored in bible I can't type all details ...)
12. Including what UW has shared about God's love
13. etc..etc..etc...

Ok UW. i am ready for my miracle  rclxm9.gif .. i understand it may take time. and I literally know how to trust in God's timing, because of HIS love HE know when is the right time for my miracle and i trust in God  thumbup.gif
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Actually its' related, when you are 100% sure God loves you, your struggle in your perception will be less. I believe God design it in such a way.
Starting from perception where we are, can be challenging sometime because we all want to think the right thoughts according to the Bible but it's hard. You know why?

Because the entire perception starts from Down to Up. From Man to God.
That is still Old Covenant way. There in, the enabling is not there.
In of ourselves, we have no power, we are flawed in many ways.

But if you receive perception from Up to Down, From God to Man, it's different.
rclxm9.gif
God's blessing flow that way. From Heaven to Man. Try and start your day first that God loves you. (Up to down)
If You are convince that God loves you then you will know He has the best interest for your life, your perception, your thoughts will be aligned by the Holy Spirit!

You have done all you can. Just rest, Bro. I know it's not easy. I suffer for half a year, you've persevered 14 years.
Sometime I believe this are trials that the devil test our Faith, whether we will give up or not.
yea I know we want to give up sometimes. But you are not alone in this.
All our Brothers and Sisters goes through the same trial in the world, being tested.

At least we can take heart, this is a SURE sign that we have Salvation. smile.gif
Devil won't attack those who are spiritually dead as much to those who are alive in Christ.

But take heart, great is your reward with God. You have Grace abound more, in the sense you are very blessed.
Your prayers for other will be answered, you have protection, you will be provided for, you will be given deeper insight of God's word, etc. smile.gif

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Sep 20 2014, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 19 2014, 10:57 PM)
I was suffering for almost half a year coughing with blood, bro.

Did you go and see doctor for this?

Bro, Have Faith. I want to share something with you.

Reciting God's word plainly (maybe like a charm) is not going to work.

Our perception (persepsi) about God must be Right before God's power flow.
I said perception, not works or even obedience to the Law.
It all has to do with the right type of Faith.

And you must acknowledge you don't have it all together.
That you're not able to completely obey God. That you have flaws and you need his Grace.
That will open God's blessing, bro!

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UW

is that your personal experience OR is it a methodology supported by scriptures

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QUOTE(TankerGadget Store @ Sep 20 2014, 01:48 AM)
i didnt wanted to start an argument ... i just wanna see different perspective  cry.gif  cry.gif
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you can. From here. Beware! Its hot in there.......

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2868726/+4380
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 20 2014, 10:32 AM)
Actually its' related, when you are 100% sure God loves you, your struggle in your perception will be less. I believe God design it in such a way.
Starting from perception where we are, can be challenging sometime because we all want to think the right thoughts according to the Bible but it's hard. You know why?

Because the entire perception starts from Down to Up. From Man to God.
That is still Old Covenant way. There in, the enabling is not there.
In of ourselves, we have no power, we are flawed in many ways.

But if you receive perception from Up to Down, From God to Man, it's different.
rclxm9.gif
God's blessing flow that way. From Heaven to Man. Try and start your day first that God loves you. (Up to down)
If You are convince that God loves you then you will know He has the best interest for your life, your perception, your thoughts will be aligned by the Holy Spirit!

You have done all you can. Just rest, Bro. I know it's not easy. I suffer for half a year, you've persevered 14 years.
Sometime I believe this are trials that the devil test our Faith, whether we will give up or not.
yea I know we want to give up sometimes. But you are not alone in this.
All our Brothers and Sisters goes through the same trial in the world, being tested.

At least we can take heart, this is a SURE sign that we have Salvation. smile.gif
Devil won't attack those who are spiritually dead as much to those who are alive in Christ.

But take heart, great is your reward with God. You have Grace abound more, in the sense you are very blessed.
Your prayers for other will be answered, you have protection, you will be provided for, you will be given deeper insight of God's word, etc.  smile.gif
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thanks bro. I know in spirit you have more to post but i guess this is good as start up. Again thanks for the support, knowledge, team work and being in 1 accord. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Sep 20 2014, 12:45 AM)
Very dense, loads of families (or bachelors or illegal migrants) but mostly malay/muslim. Baby selling and drugs pretty open, and so are open assassinations. At one time there was a gang dispute. Someone drove over to the target, shot him in the head and then drive off.

Used to have more Chinese but they all moved out to PJ and singapore by now.
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Sep 20 2014, 12:47 AM)
Any church in the building also kena tendang keluar. Neighbour bising we are noisy during worship.
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apartment or landed properties ?
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Sep 20 2014, 03:01 PM)
apartment or landed properties ?
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The church was in apartment. But the area has landed property also.
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Sep 20 2014, 09:29 AM)
Different case different resolution. In this discussion, i would like to limit to just and just only scoliosis. Not with other disease such as cancer / tumor.

Both conventional doctor (MD) and alternative (such as massage / chripractor) tells that scoliosis cannot be cured. the calcification for adult above 20 years old are completed. Meaning our scoliosis is permanent. Unlike kids under 10 years old, braces are still possible to correct the posture but i am not 10 years old anymore.

Knowledge gaves up, i go to supernatural. My earlier reply has more details :-)

feel free to ask anytime ngai  smile.gif
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Scoliosis in Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) is caused by kidneys. Bcoz TCM theory says kidneys control bone. When u have weak kidneys u will develop bone disease. To treat scoliosis u must strengthen the kidneys first. But if too bad already the shape it cannot be rectified but it can only be prevented from further deterioration. In western medical definitely there is no cure bcoz they don't even know the cause.
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Sep 20 2014, 02:59 PM)
thanks bro. I know in spirit you have more to post but i guess this is good as start up. Again thanks for the support, knowledge, team work and being in 1 accord. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Yeah, actually I have more to post.
But I'm waiting for the Holy Spirit.

When I try to write on my own, nothing much can come out.
But when the Holy Spirit flow........ rclxm9.gif

It gives me joy even after writing.


QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Sep 20 2014, 03:20 PM)
Scoliosis in Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) is caused by kidneys. Bcoz TCM theory says kidneys control bone. When u have weak kidneys u will develop bone disease. To treat scoliosis u must strengthen the kidneys first. But if too bad already the shape it cannot be rectified but it can only be prevented from further deterioration. In western medical definitely there is no cure bcoz they don't even know the cause.
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Bro, are you attached to any Chinese Medical Halls?
How do they charge? I'll keep you for future reference.
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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Sep 20 2014, 03:20 PM)
Scoliosis in Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) is caused by kidneys. Bcoz TCM theory says kidneys control bone. When u have weak kidneys u will develop bone disease. To treat scoliosis u must strengthen the kidneys first. But if too bad already the shape it cannot be rectified but it can only be prevented from further deterioration. In western medical definitely there is no cure bcoz they don't even know the cause.
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I have met one sinshei in taipan PJ, but he's charging quite expensive for a treatment. Once visit is RM50, and i need to go every 3 days to him for almost 1 year for my back treatment. He did not promise to fix my back, but trying to reduce the back pain.

For my pocket 1 month i have to allocate budget RM 500 to RM600 for a sinshe and it just too much.

This TCM is correct that bone disease comes from kidney, i once have weak kidney. But TCM still have no solution if bones already shaped. Meaning, what i know from a sinshee, he cannot fix a croocked bone, only preventing from further deterioration.

This the one i don't want to do, cuz gravity always pull my spine down, gravity never pull my spine up. In other way around, if i follow sinshee, i am just simply fighting law of gravity which is at the end, i lost.


So the only viable option is just rest in God hehe smile.gif

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