Job scope? Doing engineer's work or technician work? That pay is fresh engineer's pay maybe 7-8 years ago.

You answered your question. Why need to pay more if there are people willing to take the same job with lower salary.

From my experience, MNCs have no preference over Sgrean or foreigner. But there is difference in pay for different academic background. For engineering, Sg local uni i.e. NTU/NUS grad usually paid $200-300 higher than Msia uni regardless of nationality.

Under the recent policy, any EP job has to be opened for Sgrean first! But the fact for engineering, there is not many Sgrean interested to work in this industry. So eventually will go back to open job market. That policy makes the hiring process longer.

So, YES, foreigner is harder to get job due to the gov policy but not company preference. And NO, that you are not getting lower pay for similar competency.

Drawing and some site supervision work, but the qualification required is only diploma.

Well, in that case, I should be getting quite a lot of opportunity with low pay offer. However so far I only received 2 calls after 2 months of sending cv..haiz..


I have no problem when they pay more to them, as NTU/NUS after all better university, but still you'll see people post job with Singaporean/PR only despite the job pay up to 3.5k,aka no problem to apply E Pass

Yea, I do aware of that, but as you mentioned they are not interested and things will come back to us, only prolong the process. However after 1 month the policies launched, the market now should be quite ok.

Other than the 2 weeks things, any other policy against recruitment on foreigner with potential to get E Pass?
but the truth is I am getting 2 offers from S'pore, both call at 2.3k. I noe I am not that great, but at least not that bad ma..

Job ads on public sites not necessary opened for foreigner, they could be still under Fair Consideration Framework. Of course there might be other reason e.g. company receiving training grant which only available for citizen/pr. But you should be able to look for jobs that do not specify nationality. I just browsed through jobstreet and there are tons though many of them do not include salary guideline.

I applied quite some as well, but I wonder if they feel troublesome to apply EP, or maybe I am really not that good gua...
I've been applying for around 2months ad, maybe should find a job in msia and accumulate 1-2 years experiences 1st.

So, you reckon they should also consider foreigners who are qualified for EP since they are paying so much already?
You know the quota computation for foreign workers (WP, SPass)?

Well, considering they no nid to pay CPF for them and generally foreigner willing to work longer/harder than local, I see no reason why they insist on picking local only.

I did read some on mom website, and I realized there is no quota for EP.Sp and Wp wise I understand and I shall have no comment. However since there is no quota on EP, no levy paid, no nid contribtue CPF somemore., what is the reason they rather than local than foreigner? Really becuz of quality? I am just wondering..thanks!

I just gave you the answer in my previous post.
Of course there's no quota for EP, but there's quota for SPass and WP.. so quota comes from where?

Hmm no harm to start working in Msia first. Just to share my exp, I applied only one MNC in Sg when I started my last semester and then the first phone interview only happened during my final exam. At that time I had gone through 8 jobs interview in Msia offered 6 out of 8. I even signed the the offer from a Penang MNC but still took the opportunity to came down to Sg for the face to face interview. In the end I decided to start my career in Sg considering Sg is actually nearer to my hometown. 3 years gone... I still in the same company. Sometime really feel difficult to return to Msia

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You applying a diploma job can't be expecting a degree pay. You need to understand why there is WP, S Pass and EP in the first place and why they raise the EP requirements recently. All these is to ensure the local interest are kept, not make you, a foreigner, getting a job that easy by low balling the locals. The Fair Consideration Framework protecting the mid range. Top range still open for grabs. Wait few more years later another policy come out to protect job above 12k . Anyway, the conventional engineers' starting pay always pathetic. Saw some applications in fiance office much lower than your 2.4k , 2 years exp, from university of don't know where. You have to start some where.

ar..so the reason is becuz even though Epass has no quota, but getting less singaporean/PR means less spass wpass quota for them?hmm..got it

Yea, I do understand that. However currently most of the degree job I applied got no reply.

I am currently in dilemma, should I simply accept any job in S'pore, get an PR then only find good job? With this I can get job easier, but I afraid my low starting pay at 1st job will be a benchmark , and might not be so easy to get PR with low pay as well.
I considering another option, whereby work 1-2 yrs in Msia 1st, got some experience and it is easier to get a job and get EP too. However not sure if EP and PR policy will changed later on..hmm..

Transferring exp from Msia to Sg may not be as straight forward especially for common engineering jobs. A lot people took "pay cut" as for example RM5000 to $3500. This example happens frequently to engineer in mid exp. Some people might think the pay increases looking at the currency but that actually means downgrading from senior to junior pay. This will not happen if you are in critical/unique skill set position such r&d but for most of the time employers will discount the experience from Msia partly due to higher competitive environment in Sg.

hmm..that's 1 problem I realized as an engineer. Most of the time we don't have special skills, only experiences can talks.
It is very hard to be unique in engineering field.
Hmm..I do see that pay cut is unavoidable ,but will it be better if I take a lower salary in SG and work from there?

PR is really hard to get this days. Good luck if you're planning to get one..

Thanks for letting know. I know it won't be easy.but still gonna try lo.haha

btw any1 know what's the criteria, or what their gov emphasize on? salary? job scope? years in spore? etc?

There are no officially published PR approval criteria. Anecdotally, Malaysians, SG Uni graduates, high tax payers have a better chance but nobody can tell you for sure what the emphasis is.

That, I have no idea..
Even my friend who got rejected for PR a couple months ago have no idea either. He waited for 3 months for the result and there's no explanation given why he got rejected. I just know it's not about the salary coz he got above average salary for EP.

Only the SG government knows..

okok, my bro who worked in sg for 3 yrs just got his PR, I guess the work field is the crucial part..
Thanks for the heads up

S'pore government intend to build/attract knowledge based economy or service oriented business.

So if you are in those line of work, such as banking, F&B, retail, tourism - chances to get PR is higher.

I heard many cases those in manufacturing line, PRship is hard to get. Slowly this industry is moving out due to high cost