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Let's Talk "Chinaman Company", A List of Malaysian "Chinaman Company"
Let's Talk "Chinaman Company", A List of Malaysian "Chinaman Company"
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Jun 22 2017, 11:33 PM
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Sep 8 2017, 05:17 PM
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QUOTE(badkid @ Aug 17 2016, 10:37 PM) I do think that it is people management who makes a brings the chinaman characteristic to a company. Working in a MNC doent mean that it is not mindseted in a chinaman fashion. You can get same international company name, one office is NY and one in MY. Same brand name, but workers in Malaysia highly unsatisfied because the people running it / heading the office here has chinaman mindset. This comment win all.But honest to say, I'd rather work in a high paying chinaman mindset-ed company than working in a low paying chinaman ones. At least the difference in amount is my 'shut-up fee' or 'elaun kesusahan'.. LOL |
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Sep 10 2017, 08:58 AM
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QUOTE(hitsugaya2010 @ Apr 25 2014, 07:02 PM) My worst experience, 1. No OT, have some allowance, but if you are travelling with him, no allowance given. 2. The company only have four person including me. 3. First month, ask me go to site, but me bad luck, i dropped one of the equipment. Initially it was ok, cause it was still working. Then the next morning, he noticed that there's a crack on the side of the equipment. Got mad, throw his hp on the floor. 4. Won't tell or teach you directly, ask you do, does wrongly, he will scold you. His training is a spartan training type. 5. insurance also I need to buy myself, cause the job requires that. Not company sponsored. 6. help him to do some personal things, said that it's related to the job. When I left, he still thinks he is right about how he treated me. He said that he do like that to make me a stronger person. And scolded me 'You think the world revolves around you?' I must thank him in a way, I realised many things. My first job is a comfort zone for me, nice boss, nice colleagues and easy work. But this chinaman company, I couldn't last for a month. Anyhow, I think I am mentality stronger now thanks to him. But I still think that his way is not the correct way to treat an employee. He treats employee, as if like we are supposed to work and die for the company, since he paid us. If he treats me good nevermind, too bad, he is mean. hahaha.. QUOTE(hitsugaya2010 @ Aug 25 2016, 10:33 AM) To whom it may concern, why retract only after 2 years?I am very sorry for writing this which upsets the company itself. This writing was done 2 years+ ago, but it was deeply regrettable that at that time I was very immature and selfish for writing such comments without thinking that it will affect someone's life and reputation. Like I have mentioned, I was in the comfort zone at that time, due to my immature thinking, I put the blame on the company itself. Therefore, I would like to retract my statement and apologized. At the end of this message, I wish to say sorry to everyone in the company and wish them all the best in the future. Thank you very much. Regards, hitsugaya2010 This post has been edited by Mackiddo: Sep 10 2017, 09:00 AM |
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Sep 10 2017, 10:45 AM
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MNC with many chinese staffs will turn into Chinaman style too especially in penang of coz not all but i can name a few:-
1. Plexus 2. Bosch 3. Jabil 4. Honda 5. Nissan You can recently see how big 15th day ghost month celebration in these companies and that's not even a holiday. |
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Sep 11 2017, 01:18 PM
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media prima chinaman company?
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Sep 12 2017, 03:35 PM
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QUOTE(amar_arifin @ Sep 11 2017, 01:18 PM) production/ad agency usually not run in chinaman style but worst because they are required to be lansi, so clients will have confident in them and will follow them.then again, this is big company, maybe depend on which dept you are. |
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Sep 12 2017, 11:27 PM
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QUOTE(hitsugaya2010 @ Apr 25 2014, 07:02 PM) My worst experience, 1. No OT, have some allowance, but if you are travelling with him, no allowance given. 2. The company only have four person including me. 3. First month, ask me go to site, but me bad luck, i dropped one of the equipment. Initially it was ok, cause it was still working. Then the next morning, he noticed that there's a crack on the side of the equipment. Got mad, throw his hp on the floor. 4. Won't tell or teach you directly, ask you do, does wrongly, he will scold you. His training is a spartan training type. 5. insurance also I need to buy myself, cause the job requires that. Not company sponsored. 6. help him to do some personal things, said that it's related to the job. When I left, he still thinks he is right about how he treated me. He said that he do like that to make me a stronger person. And scolded me 'You think the world revolves around you?' I must thank him in a way, I realised many things. My first job is a comfort zone for me, nice boss, nice colleagues and easy work. But this chinaman company, I couldn't last for a month. Anyhow, I think I am mentality stronger now thanks to him. But I still think that his way is not the correct way to treat an employee. He treats employee, as if like we are supposed to work and die for the company, since he paid us. If he treats me good nevermind, too bad, he is mean. hahaha.. QUOTE(hitsugaya2010 @ Aug 25 2016, 10:33 AM) To whom it may concern, I didn't see any company's name mentioned. No names were mentioned at all.I am very sorry for writing this which upsets the company itself. This writing was done 2 years+ ago, but it was deeply regrettable that at that time I was very immature and selfish for writing such comments without thinking that it will affect someone's life and reputation. Like I have mentioned, I was in the comfort zone at that time, due to my immature thinking, I put the blame on the company itself. Therefore, I would like to retract my statement and apologized. At the end of this message, I wish to say sorry to everyone in the company and wish them all the best in the future. Thank you very much. Regards, hitsugaya2010 Did someone threaten you with an LOD? |
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Sep 13 2017, 09:14 AM
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QUOTE(badkid @ Feb 27 2014, 11:11 AM) Benefits: Oh boy, TS should move that bolded part to the myth category. i've once worked in a chinaman company where i can't learn nor grow at all. So it has all of the bad attributes of a chinaman co while having none of the good parts.» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Actually, "Chinaman Company" are not all together as bad as pictures painted them to be. You can learn and grow along with these companies. You come outmore experienced and more valued. And really, at the end of the day, it depends on where you ends up, and how you carry yourself. It's your own mentality and spirits that makes you successful in your own way. EDIT: me grammar bad This post has been edited by NowLat.yet: Sep 13 2017, 10:50 PM |
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Sep 13 2017, 12:12 PM
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QUOTE(NowLat.yet @ Sep 13 2017, 09:14 AM) Oh boy, TS should move that bolded part to the myth category. i've once worked in a chinaman company where i can't learn and grow at all. So it has all of the bad attributes of a chinaman co whole having none of the good parts. Correct.The only way you can learn is keep doing new things or the company send you to some training. You can never learn new thing if you keep doing same thing over and over and the company never send you to any training even it's claimable under HRDF. If you are too inexperience of course you can learn and grow with them, and become one of them. |
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Sep 15 2017, 08:11 AM
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after read half of all pages in here...
i believe its not bout races to influence on bad co.. its more trend to generation which baby boomer and gen X enforce compny/ orga structure to be worst.. malay cmpany also so bad loo.. they poor on managing and just scold people to do what they want.. even their product alrdy become worst ever..still management didn't change any transformation in employee engagement.. so many people come and leave..exec level or non exec.. people leave not bad company..cause their bad management.. their generation can be end soon..some 55yrs old still continue contract loo.. they didnt proactive & productive..always just talk only, not action... they do not think outside the box..just keep remain in box like katak bawah tempurung.. tell me how many malay company good rite now... especially on manufacturing/ digital marketing ??? give me list the good one.. all their lack on passion n integrity.. |
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Sep 15 2017, 11:09 AM
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QUOTE(amar_arifin @ Sep 15 2017, 08:11 AM) after read half of all pages in here... Have you read the definition and myth in op?i believe its not bout races to influence on bad co.. its more trend to generation which baby boomer and gen X enforce compny/ orga structure to be worst.. malay cmpany also so bad loo.. they poor on managing and just scold people to do what they want.. even their product alrdy become worst ever..still management didn't change any transformation in employee engagement.. so many people come and leave..exec level or non exec.. people leave not bad company..cause their bad management.. their generation can be end soon..some 55yrs old still continue contract loo.. they didnt proactive & productive..always just talk only, not action... they do not think outside the box..just keep remain in box like katak bawah tempurung.. tell me how many malay company good rite now... especially on manufacturing/ digital marketing ??? give me list the good one.. all their lack on passion n integrity.. |
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Sep 15 2017, 12:31 PM
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Sep 15 2017, 02:25 PM
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I am another S1LV3RL@KE victim ...
Let me tell you my experience with them: - Turnover rate insanely high. 90% people, like me, in there only for 1 year just to get it in the resume as our first job. Pay is so little that you'll get a heck lot of job offers from other companies after you complete that first year. Those who remain are team leads and management staff that have a skill with ass kissing. - There was one senior colleague who worked there for so many years. Later he developed terminal cancer and had to take a lot of leave to go for hospitalization and medication as well as to prepare for his inevitable death. The company ended his employment after he used up his available annual and medical leave. So he was jobless and had no income towards the end. - Most the people in there are really Chinese-educated. Bananas like me and my Indian colleagues cannot click with them. If you not Chinese-ed like them, you get push aside and treated like outsider all the time. If you can't ching-chong, you can forget about any promotion. - At their PJ HQ, their pantry is always kept locked and no one is allowed in except the designated pantry staff (who are also cleaners actually). More secure than Bank Negara. You can't even go in to get hot water refill for your tea. Have to give cup to staff for them to fill it. You want a drink? Wait for the drinks cart to come around the workplace twice a day with hot flasks of sugar loaded Nescafe 3-in-1 and teh tarik. Diabetic? Too bad. You get better treatment in Pudu prison! - During development, the central host server always run out of HDD space. So we stop all work while waiting for some miracle HDD fairy to come by and make space. Management refuse to allocate budget to upgrade the IBM server. The budget for their marketing team is hundreds of times more than development team. Includes budget for wine-dining, golf course invites and all sorts of spending spree to win contracts. - When they sent me(and other colleagues) to work at a client's office in Indonesia, we have to go in on a tourist visa. Not work visa. The practice is that we just slip in 50K Rupiah note into our passport when we go through immigration and then put it into expense claims later. This post has been edited by Game-R: Sep 15 2017, 02:46 PM |
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Sep 15 2017, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE(NowLat.yet @ Sep 13 2017, 09:14 AM) Oh boy, TS should move that bolded part to the myth category. i've once worked in a chinaman company where i can't learn nor grow at all. So it has all of the bad attributes of a chinaman co while having none of the good parts. i think he meant good at taichi. EDIT: me grammar bad |
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Sep 15 2017, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE(Game-R @ Sep 15 2017, 02:25 PM) I am another S1LV3RL@KE victim ... interesting. i did reply.Let me tell you my experience with them: - Turnover rate insanely high. 90% people, like me, in there only for 1 year just to get it in the resume as our first job. Pay is so little that you'll get a heck lot of job offers from other companies after you complete that first year. Those who remain are team leads and management staff that have a skill with ass kissing. =learn up and move to other company. everyone is for himself. - Most the people in there are really Chinese-educated. Bananas like me and my Indian colleagues cannot click with them. If you not Chinese-ed like them, you get push aside and treated like outsider all the time. If you can't ching-chong, you can forget about any promotion. =same for even mnc. you are not in the circle with them then you are outside circle but this is more obvious in chinaman comp. - At their PJ HQ, their pantry is always kept locked and no one is allowed in except the designated pantry staff (who are also cleaners actually). More secure than Bank Negara. You can't even go in to get hot water refill for your tea. Have to give cup to staff for them to fill it. You want a drink? Wait for the drinks cart to come around the workplace twice a day with hot flasks of sugar loaded Nescafe 3-in-1 and teh tarik. Diabetic? Too bad. You get better treatment in Pudu prison! =drink carts go around twice a day, the person doing push cart cannot help to fill hot water? this is like india call center where u not allowed to go anywhere except your workstation. - When they sent me(and other colleagues) to work at a client's office in Indonesia, we have to go in on a tourist visa. Not work visa. The practice is that we just slip in 50K Rupiah note into our passport when we go through immigration and then put it into expense claims later. =this is new level of china |
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Sep 15 2017, 03:27 PM
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QUOTE(razerdude @ Aug 22 2016, 12:02 PM) 3) No clear JD/ specialization/ skills after 5 years working there..oh, and not to mention, a confirmation letter this. chinaman company has no work ethics. in actual fact, you might be wondering if they are hiring kuli instead of employees. All the real work is simply being pushed down, there is not much work your manager or s.manager is doing. |
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Sep 15 2017, 06:01 PM
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QUOTE(Game-R @ Sep 15 2017, 02:25 PM) I am another S1LV3RL@KE victim ... It show your communication problem? Let me tell you my experience with them: - Turnover rate insanely high. 90% people, like me, in there only for 1 year just to get it in the resume as our first job. Pay is so little that you'll get a heck lot of job offers from other companies after you complete that first year. Those who remain are team leads and management staff that have a skill with ass kissing. - There was one senior colleague who worked there for so many years. Later he developed terminal cancer and had to take a lot of leave to go for hospitalization and medication as well as to prepare for his inevitable death. The company ended his employment after he used up his available annual and medical leave. So he was jobless and had no income towards the end. - Most the people in there are really Chinese-educated. Bananas like me and my Indian colleagues cannot click with them. If you not Chinese-ed like them, you get push aside and treated like outsider all the time. If you can't ching-chong, you can forget about any promotion. - At their PJ HQ, their pantry is always kept locked and no one is allowed in except the designated pantry staff (who are also cleaners actually). More secure than Bank Negara. You can't even go in to get hot water refill for your tea. Have to give cup to staff for them to fill it. You want a drink? Wait for the drinks cart to come around the workplace twice a day with hot flasks of sugar loaded Nescafe 3-in-1 and teh tarik. Diabetic? Too bad. You get better treatment in Pudu prison! - During development, the central host server always run out of HDD space. So we stop all work while waiting for some miracle HDD fairy to come by and make space. Management refuse to allocate budget to upgrade the IBM server. The budget for their marketing team is hundreds of times more than development team. Includes budget for wine-dining, golf course invites and all sorts of spending spree to win contracts. - When they sent me(and other colleagues) to work at a client's office in Indonesia, we have to go in on a tourist visa. Not work visa. The practice is that we just slip in 50K Rupiah note into our passport when we go through immigration and then put it into expense claims later. |
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Sep 15 2017, 10:44 PM
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-have to go back work 22 Sept
-have to go back work 23 Sept Informed company i have plan, not allowed to leave. Bodo. Cina bank |
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Sep 19 2017, 10:18 AM
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I would like to share my experience working in a Chinaman Company:
1) Only SIX days of sick leave entitled per year. ( Is this against the labour law? Cause according to Malaysia Employment Act S60(F), Employee shall be entitled to 14 days of sick leave if working less than 2 year with the company) They only recognized the MC from their panel docs which all damn far from my house and you can't claim anything below RM50 for the medicine. If RM50.50, you can only CLAIM the RM0.50. 2) Annual leave (Only twice in a year which you are allowed to take annual leave during long weekend, EG: Thursday is holiday and Friday you take leave) & Reason for taking leave should not be personal matter or the stupid HR will question you like no tomorrow) 3) Compassionate Leave - 2 days ( This is really W.T.F, For example someone close to you died at 11.59 PM on Monday, they consider the 1 minute left to 12am as 1 day and you will only get one more day left on Tuesday) 4) Office culture is like hell, there are groups of people who like to look for trouble with others and the manager is sided with them. 5) Traveling claims ( For those who travel alot, you can only get the claim after 2 months and you have to fork out your own money first. For those travel few time a month are worse, you pay more than you can get back) 6) Maternity leave - Only those female workers who worked over 1 yr are entitled to take 2 months of paid maternity leave, those under 1 yr...please take the leave with no pay. Once i find a better job offer, i won't hesitate to leave. This post has been edited by DoomerX: Sep 19 2017, 02:53 PM |
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Sep 19 2017, 08:33 PM
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QUOTE(DoomerX @ Sep 19 2017, 10:18 AM) I would like to share my experience working in a Chinaman Company: Yeahhh.....dogshit indeed1) Only SIX days of sick leave entitled per year. ( Is this against the labour law? Cause according to Malaysia Employment Act S60(F), Employee shall be entitled to 14 days of sick leave if working less than 2 year with the company) They only recognized the MC from their panel docs which all damn far from my house and you can't claim anything below RM50 for the medicine. If RM50.50, you can only CLAIM the RM0.50. 2) Annual leave (Only twice in a year which you are allowed to take annual leave during long weekend, EG: Thursday is holiday and Friday you take leave) & Reason for taking leave should not be personal matter or the stupid HR will question you like no tomorrow) 3) Compassionate Leave - 2 days ( This is really W.T.F, For example someone close to you died at 11.59 PM on Monday, they consider the 1 minute left to 12am as 1 day and you will only get one more day left on Tuesday) 4) Office culture is like hell, there are groups of people who like to look for trouble with others and the manager is sided with them. 5) Traveling claims ( For those who travel alot, you can only get the claim after 2 months and you have to fork out your own money first. For those travel few time a month are worse, you pay more than you can get back) 6) Maternity leave - Only those female workers who worked over 1 yr are entitled to take 2 months of paid maternity leave, those under 1 yr...please take the leave with no pay. Once i find a better job offer, i won't hesitate to leave. |
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