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Dat Nani goal, very hnnnnggghhh, because it was a built up play, smooth tricky pass and end with a beautiful lob goal  drool.gif
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Yea, remember seeing it at the time and going whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Then shortly after that Bolton striker injured Cleverley with a tackle, and ever since then he hasn't hit the same heights.

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Ruud van Nistelrooy believes that both Edison Cavani and Radamel Falcao would be ‘great additions’ to Van Nistelrooyhester United in the summer.

Both players are prolific goalscorers and Van Nistelrooy knows a thing or two about scoring goals having netted 150 in just 219 appearances in his time at United.

There may be bigger priorities in defence and midfield but those same priorities existed when Robin van Persie joined in 2012 and when asked about Cavani in an interview with Canal+ France, Van Nistelrooy insisted that United needed more than Rooney and Van Persie if they wanted to win the Premier League.

He said: ”I think he [Cavani] is a very good player and can be a great addition but he also signed for Paris St Germain recently so he won’t be cheap.

“There’s also Falcao maybe as an option as a pure No. 9 to score goals.

“I think alongside Robin van Persie and Wayne Rooney, you need more than two top class strikers in your squad.

“With Nani and Valencia, they have wingers who can put crosses in the box and in the midfield, they have Rooney to get a striker in position.

“I think if you sign a good finisher, it can give you 20 or 30 goals a season and that helps you to be at the top of the Premier League.”

Welbeck or Hernandez fans won’t be happy at Van Nistelrooy‘s dismissal of their credentials as a top class striker but few could argue the toss that Cavani or Falcao would be an unbelievable and luxurious addition to the squad.
It would be strange for David Moyes to make a marquee striker signing when the problems in other areas are too large to ignore but stranger things have happened.


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but...but..but...

roon + rvp + cavani + falcao.

fuh!!!!!
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QUOTE(pundex @ Feb 18 2014, 03:44 AM)
Look at the team's off the ball movements, and they were trying to play through the middle as well.

Compared to nowadays, almost everyone stand in line with opponent's defensive line when the CM received the ball. Look at the space between carrick and the attacking players... Even when they decided to move, it is at walking pace. As if they are zombies.
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That was a one off. United rarely play like that. It offered a lot in attack, but left the team exposed defensively and the fast pace meant a lot of late tackles which meant United had I think 11 players injured at the same time by mid season, IINM.
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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Feb 18 2014, 05:23 PM)
That was a one off. United rarely play like that. It offered a lot in attack, but left the team exposed defensively and the fast pace meant a lot of late tackles which meant United had I think 11 players injured at the same time by mid season, IINM.
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We were playing beautiful fast pace football and scored quite a lot of goals as well, but we were leaking goals at the same time. After we got hammered 6 - 1 by Man City, injuries etc, SAF decided to revert back to wingplay and counter attack. Maybe it was due to us being too gung ho laugh.gif . However, the intention to play pass and move football was there. As a result of that, SAF brought in Kagawa and intended to move Rooney to CM.

Now, it's all gone. It is not like I wanted us to play tiki taka or something fancy, but at least play a combination of some. We are being too one dimensional and it hurts to see the way we play now considering the variety of players we have.
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QUOTE(pundex @ Feb 18 2014, 06:12 PM)
We were playing beautiful fast pace football and scored quite a lot of goals as well, but we were leaking goals at the same time. After we got hammered 6 - 1 by Man City, injuries etc, SAF decided to revert back to wingplay and counter attack. Maybe it was due to us being too gung ho  laugh.gif . However, the intention to play pass and move football was there. As a result of that,  SAF brought in Kagawa and intended to move Rooney to CM.

Now, it's all gone. It is not like I wanted us to play tiki taka or something fancy, but at least play a combination of some. We are being too one dimensional and it hurts to see the way we play now considering the variety of players we have.
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Yeah.. even arsenal was no match to the all mighty one touch football we played during that time.. after that 6 - 1... changed totally...
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QUOTE(projectnew @ Feb 18 2014, 06:17 PM)
Yeah.. even arsenal was no match to the all mighty one touch football we played during that time.. after that 6 - 1... changed totally...
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Yea... With Clev and Ando being injured, we did not have the players to play like that, thus SAF changed to adapt.

Now, people talk about how this squad is long overdue and all. Seriously, this is the same squad that bossed Mourinho's Real Madrid up until Nani's red card. And we did it with Rooney on the bench at OT. How the heck that very same squad can regressed to current sorry state? And people are talking about letting Moyes spend big money to bring in the talent he want and rebuild the whole squad... rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(pundex @ Feb 18 2014, 06:50 PM)
Yea... With Clev and Ando being injured, we did not have the players to play like that, thus SAF changed to adapt.

Now, people talk about how this squad is long overdue and all. Seriously, this is the same squad that bossed Mourinho's Real Madrid up until Nani's red card. And we did it with Rooney on the bench at OT. How the heck that very same squad can regressed to current sorry state? And people are talking about letting Moyes spend big money to bring in the talent he want and rebuild the whole squad... rclxub.gif
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Even mourinho comes... he will struggle as well.. How much money has mourinho spent in order to get his success? Compare to moyes in everton which he build from scratch turning everton to a stable club which now roberto martinez is able to enjoy..

The problem with United squad at the moment is trust and confidence.. they do not fully trust moyes at the moment because of his reputation in the trophy department. This united squad is just too used to Sir Alex influences. So moyes needs to build his reputation and the players need to trust him and help him. About the rebuilding part, probably now he is trying to let go players who does not believe in him.. That is where he stamp his authority..

If moyes wins the champs league it will skyrocket his CV and reputation. I think he should go for it.. but on the other hand it is extremely super duper difficult almost impossible with our current state.. but it will be easier than reaching top 4 because I think liverpool had already book that place.. unlikely they are gonna throw that away..unless suddenly the go on a losing spree... or suddenly all their key players go injured for a long time.. safe to say the place is already taken..

So logically speaking we should be desperately wanting to win the CL more than anything else as it will be the most realistic yet delusional expectation.
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QUOTE(projectnew @ Feb 18 2014, 09:00 PM)
Even mourinho comes... he will struggle as well.. How much money has mourinho spent in order to get his success? Compare to moyes in everton which he build from scratch turning everton to a stable club which now roberto martinez is able to enjoy..

The problem with United squad at the moment is trust and confidence.. they do not fully trust moyes at the moment because of his reputation in the trophy department. This united squad is just too used to Sir Alex influences. So moyes needs to build his reputation and the players need to trust him and help him. About the rebuilding part, probably now he is trying to let go players who does not believe in him..  That is where he stamp his authority..

If moyes wins the champs league it will skyrocket his CV and reputation. I think he should go for it.. but on the other hand it is extremely super duper difficult almost impossible with our current state.. but it will be easier than reaching top 4 because I think liverpool had already book that place.. unlikely they are gonna throw that away..unless suddenly the go on a losing spree... or suddenly all their key players go injured for a long time.. safe to say the place is already taken..

So logically speaking we should be desperately wanting to win the CL more than anything else as it will be the most realistic yet delusional expectation.
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Roberto Martinez built the foundation for Swansea as well before Brendan Rodger took over. I agreed Moyes did a great job at Everton. No doubt about that. However, even Everton fans admit Moyes' football peaked 3-4 years ago. They kind of stagnated since then.

This is an interesting post on Reddit by an Everton supporter:

This post is from 9 months ago
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This is his recent post to answer some question by a Man Utd fan
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post Feb 18 2014, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(pundex @ Feb 18 2014, 09:29 PM)
Roberto Martinez built the foundation for Swansea as well before Brendan Rodger took over. I agreed Moyes did a great job at Everton. No doubt about that. However, even Everton fans admit Moyes' football peaked 3-4 years ago. They kind of stagnated since then.

This is an interesting post on Reddit by an Everton supporter:

This post is from 9 months ago
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This is his recent post to answer some question by a Man Utd fan
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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Why do you care what those people think? They speak like they know how to manage a football club. If the job is that simple everyone should be a manager then maybe I should be a manager also sign messi. Fans speak like they know everything about football with no basis or hands on experience in this department.

Why not mourinho? its probably because the club doesn't trust him because of his attitude and the way he manages which doesn't bring long term assurance to the club which what we are building for.

Why not martinez? Did he did a good enough job to deserve to be a United boss? Maybe not good enough?

Why not jurgen klopp? Probably not available or United is just not interested in him

Why moyes? 11 years at club brought stability.. long term assurance.. martinez? wigan got relegated under him so is he stable? just because everton is playing well at the moment everton fans worshiping martinez forget about Moyes contribution.

and don't forget Premier league is a very difficult league.. We have like Man Utd, arsenal, liverpool, Chelsea, Man City even tottenham could challenge for the cl place.. La liga, german league what???

So basically moyes is the most suitable manager at that time.. Unless United is looking for short term success we can hire mourinho.. I would give moyes time until next season.. blaming everything on moyes is just unfair... the players all has to take the blame as well as they were paid freaking lots of money to do something they love.. that is to play their best football..

I also like everyone pulling my hair due to his "amazing tactics".. and want moyes out...but in the end even if I keep moyes out he also won't go out.. so I should just enjoy the moment and see what else moyes can offer.. Well I'm expecting harder times.. GGMU




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QUOTE(projectnew @ Feb 18 2014, 10:41 PM)
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It is only an analysis by an Everton fan who constantly follow his club. Nobody said Martinez is so much better or anything; Martinez weakness is his his team always build up play from defender and does not hoof the ball even when they are in danger of losing the ball at their own penalty area laugh.gif . It was a list of pros and cons. I agreed that if one watches a lot, does not mean he/she can do it, but that doesn't mean he/she can't understand the subject and gives some suggestions, right?

What is more worrying is that even a football fan could see through his tactic and coach like Rene mentioned Moyes' tactic is very predictable. The Everton fan's post comparing his tenure at Everton hits all its mark. But, some of the good signs are his handling of Rooney's matter and Ashley Young actually improved (he should be considering how much time Young was given) and cleared out the deadwood. However, 9 months into his job and I can't see any progress or a glimpse of the becoming of a great manager football wise.

I supported Moyes' appointment at first and believed he will come good but his performance so far suggests otherwise. If players are not performing, isn't it the job of the manager to make sure they do? If players are able to grind out results on their own, why need a manager?

Yes, of course EPL is a very difficult league but that does not mean Liga and Bundesliga are below EPL. Remember we got spanked by a certain Bilbao not too long ago? And they finished 8th at La Liga that season iinm. Technically, EPL is far behind Spain and German leagues.

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QUOTE(sinoffire @ Feb 18 2014, 05:06 PM)
SOS?

rvn smoke weeds??  icon_idea.gif  brows.gif

but...but..but...

roon + rvp + cavani + falcao.

fuh!!!!!
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Uncle RVN, we don't print money or bankrolled by Arabs wor.. Manaada $ for both? Unless we sell DDG to Barca for £50mil laugh.gif
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QUOTE(projectnew @ Feb 18 2014, 10:00 PM)
Even mourinho comes... he will struggle as well.. How much money has mourinho spent in order to get his success? Compare to moyes in everton which he build from scratch turning everton to a stable club which now roberto martinez is able to enjoy..

The problem with United squad at the moment is trust and confidence.. they do not fully trust moyes at the moment because of his reputation in the trophy department. This united squad is just too used to Sir Alex influences. So moyes needs to build his reputation and the players need to trust him and help him. About the rebuilding part, probably now he is trying to let go players who does not believe in him..  That is where he stamp his authority..

If moyes wins the champs league it will skyrocket his CV and reputation. I think he should go for it.. but on the other hand it is extremely super duper difficult almost impossible with our current state.. but it will be easier than reaching top 4 because I think liverpool had already book that place.. unlikely they are gonna throw that away..unless suddenly the go on a losing spree... or suddenly all their key players go injured for a long time.. safe to say the place is already taken..

So logically speaking we should be desperately wanting to win the CL more than anything else as it will be the most realistic yet delusional expectation.
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TRUST n CONFIDENCE exactly my sentiment...SAF ciao...surely the lads hav to adept life without fatherfigure...he's been there like forever...moyes yet to get full trust from his team...some respond well to him...mostly young player...wayne jones etc...older player like rio vida evra seem shock...its understandable...deswai he offer rene a position to keep that transition minimal as he know how to deal with older lads...talk to them to smooth things...but he chose to go...the older lads more harder to blend into moyes bcos too long under SAF n theyre at the end of their career...but their quality professionalism desire is top class like moyes always said...theyre too comfort under SAF...they know how to react to SAF...given next season...if the likes of evra vida or even rio or giggsy pledge to continue...i bet they will respond well to moyes...they just need time to grow mature into their relationship...look at distin at everton...he still play under moyes before n now under martinez even his is not young oso...close to rio age maybe...if moyes can manage evra vida rio giggsy that way...our wealthy experience gonna be huge in the dressing room...yup i get it most of their time is up...but still i just hope they play forever...i miss scholesy in action...even his body couldnt cope top flight football anymore...but i just luv his gameplay...i bet i gonna miss vida warrior-ness, rio's calmness n comfort on the ball, evra bombing forward n run back down with a clap n smile...its so romanticly luvly...i just luv our team...yeah im gay...lol...

back to trust n confidence...it is most easily to see it in clev n carrick...things just didnt click atm...the movement n touches n turn...it will get there soon...deswai that one off game tikitaka clev n ando excel like we claim exciting fast attacking move goes so smooth...that time the confidence is superb high...now with the new manager come in...its mix up of everything but is under control...the player workhard like moyes said to get n make things right...the did all the right thing to respond...just like mata said football is cruel sometimes...bloodyhell as saf claim...we even got rob 30 second from title to city prev 2 season...so its a process...ongoing moving forward to improvised n improved to get better n push the height we hav been...

QUOTE(pundex @ Feb 18 2014, 10:29 PM)
Roberto Martinez built the foundation for Swansea as well before Brendan Rodger took over. I agreed Moyes did a great job at Everton. No doubt about that. However, even Everton fans admit Moyes' football peaked 3-4 years ago. They kind of stagnated since then.

This is an interesting post on Reddit by an Everton supporter:

This post is from 9 months ago
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


This is his recent post to answer some question by a Man Utd fan
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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QUOTE(projectnew @ Feb 18 2014, 11:41 PM)
Why do you care what those people think? They speak like they know how to manage a football club. If the job is that simple everyone should be a manager then maybe I should be a manager also sign messi. Fans speak like they know everything about football with no basis or hands on experience in this department.

Why not mourinho? its probably because the club doesn't trust him because of his attitude and the way he manages which doesn't bring long term assurance to the club which what we are building for.

Why not martinez? Did he did a good enough job to deserve to be a United boss? Maybe not good enough?

Why not jurgen klopp? Probably not available or United is just not interested in him

Why moyes? 11 years at club brought stability.. long term assurance.. martinez? wigan got relegated under him so is he stable? just because everton is playing well at the moment everton fans worshiping martinez forget about Moyes contribution.

and don't forget Premier league is a very difficult league.. We have like Man Utd, arsenal, liverpool, Chelsea, Man City even tottenham could challenge for the cl place.. La liga, german league what???

So basically moyes is the most suitable manager at that time.. Unless United is looking for short term success we can hire mourinho.. I would give moyes time until next season.. blaming everything on moyes is just unfair... the players all has to take the blame as well as they were paid freaking lots of money to do something they love.. that is to play their best football..

I also like everyone pulling my hair due to his "amazing tactics".. and want moyes out...but in the end even if I keep moyes out he also won't go out.. so I should just enjoy the moment and see what else moyes can offer.. Well I'm expecting harder times.. GGMU
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when SAF retired n pick moyes as the chosen one...tho at that time i was hoping we can get mou...suddenly it gives me a calmness n stability feeling it will turn out fine...we r in a safe hand...moyes everton been knocking top 4 door for a while...with limited budget...he linger around the 6th-7th place with the likes of pool spurs for quite sometime...n that time...i hate when we met moyes team...they r sort like giant killer...i like the way his football there as well...yup its straight forward text book predictable...but its how football shud be play to me...simple team game with limited budget wud play n perform to get result...its just the mata of time we get it right...mata said in dubai training...all the lads work hard to get in a pattern...mata is a brilliant intelligent adeptable player...he surely held high regard of moyes work...tho some will argue he is playing out of position...but during games i didnt see him hugging the lines...he is floating...this type of player is harder to play against if u give him free role...wayne also...u need a player to man mark him every where he go...jones excel in that marking role tho he has some blunder...he need to man mark a danger player while he is not in the alarming position to do damage...he need to be zonal...

the pattern isnt yet connecting...81 crosses says it all for me...soon they r connecting...then we will see what the team r trying to bring to our traditional wing play...in the 2nd half vs fulham...look at wayne closely...he is less time on the ball but often...simple one two touch...that how he shud play in the middle when dropping in...he will get used to it with mata soon...6 passes to rvp only...media always exelerate things...rvp is draging the line...heitinga on his toe all day...he pulls defender away...to open some space in the middle crowd...the only thing i wanna see now is shot on target...all outfield player shud take 1 shot per half...on target...finish it off every attacking move...30 yards out...go for the kill...so at least we can hav 20 shot on target per game if everyone hav a go 1 shot in each half...luckily if chica is there for rebound...we will go rampant...

QUOTE(pundex @ Feb 19 2014, 12:44 AM)
It is only an analysis by an Everton fan who constantly follow his club. Nobody said Martinez is so much better or anything; Martinez weakness is his his team always build up play from defender and does not hoof the ball even when they are in danger of losing the ball at their own penalty area laugh.gif . It was a list of pros and cons. I agreed that if one watches a lot, does not mean he/she can do it, but that doesn't mean he/she can't understand the subject and gives some suggestions, right?

What is more worrying is that even a football fan could see through his tactic and coach like Rene mentioned Moyes' tactic is very predictable. The Everton fan's post comparing his tenure at Everton hits all its mark. But, some of the good signs are his handling of Rooney's matter and Ashley Young actually improved (he should be considering how much time Young was given) and cleared out the deadwood. However, 9 months into his job and I can't see any progress or a glimpse of the becoming of a great manager football wise.

I supported Moyes' appointment at first and believed he will come good but his performance so far suggests otherwise. If players are not performing, isn't it the job of the manager to make sure they do? If players are able to grind out results on their own, why need a manager?

Yes, of course EPL is a very difficult league but that does not mean Liga and Bundesliga are below EPL. Remember we got spanked by a certain Bilbao not too long ago? And they finished 8th at La Liga that season iinm. Technically, EPL is far behind Spain and German leagues.
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Didnt mean to troll but, reading this forum really make me dizzy.. all so long.. like an essay or something..
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QUOTE(sinoffire @ Feb 18 2014, 05:06 PM)
SOS?

rvn smoke weeds??  icon_idea.gif  brows.gif

but...but..but...

roon + rvp + cavani + falcao.

fuh!!!!!
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Ruud van Nistelrooy believes that both Edison Cavani and Radamel Falcao would be ‘great additions’ to Van Nistelrooyhester United in the summer.


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QUOTE(TheRedRanger @ Feb 19 2014, 10:42 AM)
Didnt mean to troll but, reading this forum really make me dizzy.. all so long.. like an essay or something..
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last time one liner ppl also complain

now long essay also complain aduiiii laugh.gif

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Does anyone think that at 300K GBP a week is too much for wayne rooney. I think Man Utd should just let him go. He is a stumbling block in the club and causes disharmony. If we pay him 300K GBP a week it feels like finally a player is bigger than a club.
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QUOTE(nVidiaFX @ Feb 19 2014, 10:05 PM)
Does anyone think that at 300K GBP a week is too much for wayne rooney. I think Man Utd should just let him go. He is a stumbling block in the club and causes disharmony. If we pay him 300K GBP a week it feels like finally a player is bigger than a club.
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yeah i also think 300k per week is too much...if SAF still at helm he will never allow it to happen...but who know what happen in future...just wait n see...
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QUOTE(nVidiaFX @ Feb 19 2014, 10:05 PM)
Does anyone think that at 300K GBP a week is too much for wayne rooney. I think Man Utd should just let him go. He is a stumbling block in the club and causes disharmony. If we pay him 300K GBP a week it feels like finally a player is bigger than a club.
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IMO 300K per week is a little too much and his reluctance to move to CM role where he can be more influential, does not help either. I hope he stays but I can't see why we should pay over the odds to make it happen.
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QUOTE(pundex @ Feb 20 2014, 02:20 AM)
IMO 300K per week is a little too much and his reluctance to move to CM role where he can be more influential, does not help either. I hope he stays but I can't see why we should pay over the odds to make it happen.
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